Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On 5 May 2007, at 5:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [classpath] == [declare -stdpath] Adds a path to the global search path. thats great! - I wasn't aware of [classpath] -- now I can stop wrangling preferences/users trying to get different paths and libraries for different versions. a few questions not explained in the helpfiles: - is there a way to use relative pathnames? - and if so what are they relative to? - is it possible to refer to the users home folder? - what version of pd do they require (they seem to create ok in millers OSX 0.40 and 0.39) - when can I use the libdir system to load a directory of externals? I hope there are plans for inclusion in the miller pd distribution soon (though a least it is fairly easy to explain how to add them, even to a novice user). thanks for getting this working, simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
simon wise wrote: On 5 May 2007, at 5:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [classpath] == [declare -stdpath] Adds a path to the global search path. thats great! - I wasn't aware of [classpath] -- now I can stop wrangling preferences/users trying to get different paths and libraries for different versions. I hope there are plans for inclusion in the miller pd distribution soon (though a least it is fairly easy to explain how to add them, even to a novice user). hmm, i don't fully understand your request: hans just told you that [classpath] (an external) is basically the same as [decalre -stdpath] (which comes with pd-vanilla) so why don't you just use [declare]? apart from the fact, that [declare] has a slightly more complicated syntax and merges more or less independent functionality, it also has some advantages: e.g. it is treated specially by pd (it always gets saved as the very first part of the patch, no matter when you actually put the object there; i don't think (but otoh i don't know) that [classpath] can offer you the same) mfg.a sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On 7 May 2007, at 5:08 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: so why don't you just use [declare]? apart from the fact, that [declare] has a slightly more complicated syntax and merges more or less independent functionality, it also has some advantages: e.g. it is treated specially by pd (it always gets saved as the very first part of the patch, no matter when you actually put the object there thanks - how to ensure it was 'first' was the next thing I was trying to find out, I'll certainly use [declare], I wasn't aware of what it did - its relative path choices are exactly what I need. It is new to 0.40? simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo, simon wise hat gesagt: // simon wise wrote: I hope there are plans for inclusion in the miller pd distribution soon (though a least it is fairly easy to explain how to add them, even to a novice user). [classpath] is GPL, so unless Miller plans to switch Pd to GPL (which I doubt) it may only be shipped as an external like [expr]. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On May 7, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: simon wise wrote: On 5 May 2007, at 5:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [classpath] == [declare -stdpath] Adds a path to the global search path. thats great! - I wasn't aware of [classpath] -- now I can stop wrangling preferences/users trying to get different paths and libraries for different versions. I hope there are plans for inclusion in the miller pd distribution soon (though a least it is fairly easy to explain how to add them, even to a novice user). hmm, i don't fully understand your request: hans just told you that [classpath] (an external) is basically the same as [decalre -stdpath] (which comes with pd-vanilla) Actually I now found that [classpath] according to the help-file in CVS/externals/hcs/classpath-help.pd does something different than [declare -stdpath]: It's not used to *set* the path, but to *get* the searchpath with an interface similar to [textfile]: Each bang sent to [classpath] will make it print the next entry in the current Pd path. So it's actually not intended for making adjustments to the path, that's left to [declare]. Actually, it is intended both to set the global search path (aka classpath, aka [declare -stdpath]), but it also allows you to query the global search path. [import] will allow querying. That's the intention at least. I haven't looked at it in a bit, so they do not fully live up to those claims yet. I think I was waiting for somethings from Miller to settle before taking it up again. About putting the [declare] object first, I haven't figured that part out yet. Plus the [declare] ordering was limited/buggy last I checked (a few months ago?) .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The idea is to strip down Pd to the most basic objects, then make everything else a library that's included when needed. [import] and/ or [declare] seem to be some of the essential few. I wonder: How should we deal with the thousands of abstractions that have been created in the ten years since Pd was invented? To avoid having to rewrite every patch, some kind of central path preference mechanism still will be necessary, I guess. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo! I wonder: How should we deal with the thousands of abstractions that have been created in the ten years since Pd was invented? To avoid having to rewrite every patch, some kind of central path preference mechanism still will be necessary, I guess. hm ... how do you mean that ? They can be included in the libdir format (and are already) - e.g. you only have to place a [import listabs] in the patch ... (like in the most programming languages) LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: I wonder: How should we deal with the thousands of abstractions that have been created in the ten years since Pd was invented? To avoid having to rewrite every patch, some kind of central path preference mechanism still will be necessary, I guess. hm ... how do you mean that ? They can be included in the libdir format (and are already) - e.g. you only have to place a [import listabs] in the patch ... (like in the most programming languages) No, I mean the other way around: What about old abstractions, that maybe use externals or other abstractions, but don't have any [import] or [declare] inside? I have literally thousands of these on my disk (not all written by me, of course). Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I don't think anyone is proposing to remove the startup flags/ preferences like path. For the situation that you describe, it would be easy enough to collect those abstractions into a folder, then add that folder to the path when you need it. [declare] and [classpath] allow you to do that in the patch itself. Ah, okay. Quick question: What's [classpath]? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo! No, I mean the other way around: What about old abstractions, that maybe use externals or other abstractions, but don't have any [import] or [declare] inside? I have literally thousands of these on my disk (not all written by me, of course). Okay, I undestand, me too ... you could only add the imports when you use them again, or use the preference file (but then it will only work on your computer). LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On May 4, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I don't think anyone is proposing to remove the startup flags/ preferences like path. For the situation that you describe, it would be easy enough to collect those abstractions into a folder, then add that folder to the path when you need it. [declare] and [classpath] allow you to do that in the patch itself. Ah, okay. Quick question: What's [classpath]? It's basically like this: [import] == [declare -lib] Loads a lib for the patch-local namespace [classpath] == [declare -stdpath] Adds a path to the global search path. -Hans Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On May 2, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: hm ... the idea behind the libdir stuff is (at least for me), that you don't need the startup flags and preference files ... You simply import your library with [import your_lib] directly within the patch - however, you should be still able to use the preference file and etc. Can I do import import? Just joking, but as far as I understand patches using import need at least one preference line (unless you have import.pd_linux already in the default path) and one external. The idea is to strip down Pd to the most basic objects, then make everything else a library that's included when needed. [import] and/ or [declare] seem to be some of the essential few. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo Marius! for any reason the flatspace externals are not created by only using the objectname. for example mass2D. it is created when I type flatspace/mass2D. however, it is also not possible to add flatspace to the startup paths, at least that does not solve the problem. any idea, what I could do? pd-extended-0.39.2-RC2, osx. If this is the new pd-extended version you have to load the libdir loader first: pd -lib libdir and then you can load all the other libraries (e.g. flatspace). LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
libdir: can't load library. uidohotswos. will look at that later... thnx. marius. Georg Holzmann wrote: Hallo Marius! for any reason the flatspace externals are not created by only using the objectname. for example mass2D. it is created when I type flatspace/mass2D. however, it is also not possible to add flatspace to the startup paths, at least that does not solve the problem. any idea, what I could do? pd-extended-0.39.2-RC2, osx. If this is the new pd-extended version you have to load the libdir loader first: pd -lib libdir and then you can load all the other libraries (e.g. flatspace). LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo! libdir: can't load library. uidohotswos. jodesiswor ;) However, can you try pd -verbose and see what happens ? LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo! ok found the problem. I did not exchange the preferences file. so all the paths were still set to test7. but acually that is a problem, because I add a lot of my own paths and I don't want to add them everytime when I change the pd version. is it possible to use additional preferences files? hmm, I think I will add them all at the startup flags line. hm ... the idea behind the libdir stuff is (at least for me), that you don't need the startup flags and preference files ... You simply import your library with [import your_lib] directly within the patch - however, you should be still able to use the preference file and etc. So, the paths are working now and I don't need libdir for it to work (libdir itself still doesnot load). marius. Sorry - I think my suggestions were wrong, because you still use the old version (0.39) and not the ones from the autobuilds ... LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
ok found the problem. I did not exchange the preferences file. so all the paths were still set to test7. but acually that is a problem, because I add a lot of my own paths and I don't want to add them everytime when I change the pd version. is it possible to use additional preferences files? hmm, I think I will add them all at the startup flags line. So, the paths are working now and I don't need libdir for it to work (libdir itself still doesnot load). marius. Georg Holzmann wrote: Hallo! libdir: can't load library. uidohotswos. jodesiswor ;) However, can you try pd -verbose and see what happens ? LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: hm ... the idea behind the libdir stuff is (at least for me), that you don't need the startup flags and preference files ... You simply import your library with [import your_lib] directly within the patch - however, you should be still able to use the preference file and etc. Can I do import import? Just joking, but as far as I understand patches using import need at least one preference line (unless you have import.pd_linux already in the default path) and one external. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hallo! Can I do import import? Just joking, but as far as I understand patches using import need at least one preference line (unless you have import.pd_linux already in the default path) and one external. Of course ... but import is in the default path (in latest extended). LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
I solve this problem (on OS X) by keeping my personal paths in .pdrc. ~Kyle On 5/2/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok found the problem. I did not exchange the preferences file. so all the paths were still set to test7. but acually that is a problem, because I add a lot of my own paths and I don't want to add them everytime when I change the pd version. is it possible to use additional preferences files? hmm, I think I will add them all at the startup flags line. So, the paths are working now and I don't need libdir for it to work (libdir itself still doesnot load). marius. Georg Holzmann wrote: Hallo! libdir: can't load library. uidohotswos. jodesiswor ;) However, can you try pd -verbose and see what happens ? LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (()()()(()))()()())( (())(())()((( ))(__ _())(()))___ (((000)))oOO ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
On 3 May 2007, at 5:44 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: I solve this problem (on OS X) by keeping my personal paths in .pdrc. which works well for me too. I'd also love to see a .pdrc, (or a for example a 'local.plist') which was specific to the version of pd that I was opening, since I usually have at least 3 - an extended version, a vanilla version plus usually at least 1 version with a different Gem inside. It would be great for packages streamlined for different tasks as well. This could happen in a few ways, for example: 1/ check for a file inside the package eg Pd.app/Contents/Resources/local.plist 2/ check for a .plist in the usual place, but with a name matching the name of the Pd.app package eg if I have a package Pd-extended-autobuild.app then it would use ~/ Library/Preferences/org.puredata.Pd-extended-autobuild.plist instead of (or as well as??) ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist option 1 would be much cleaner in OSX option 2 would allow for a very similar approach on each platform so may be better overall. It would also be consistent with the approach taken by vim, and several others, where behaviour depends on the name it is called with. simon ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] flatspace externals in ext39.2
Hi, for any reason the flatspace externals are not created by only using the objectname. for example mass2D. it is created when I type flatspace/mass2D. however, it is also not possible to add flatspace to the startup paths, at least that does not solve the problem. any idea, what I could do? pd-extended-0.39.2-RC2, osx. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
