Re: [PD] selecting an alsa soundcard at startup
That's what I was thinking, too. But it doesn't work like this. The devices I create with udev show up in /dev. But the devices used by /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf : snd-emu10k1 snd_intel8x0 do not show up in /dev. That means the sound device names are created somewhere else. Names that I create with udev in /dev seem to be ignored by modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. So the question is where are these sound card IDs generated and how could I create such an ID with udev? Ingo On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 14:33, Ingo i...@miamiwave.com wrote: Has anybody had any success with udev? I need to use oss and have tried to create a udev.rule to connect two identical usb midi interfaces and identify them by the usb port. I ended up creating the devices in /dev/ and /dev/snd/ and named them /dev/midi1, /dev/midi2 and/or /dev/snd/midiC1D0, /dev/snd/C2D0. They show up correctly in the folder /dev/ but I don't know how to assign them to anything alsa-base.conf can use. The first one that gets plugged in is always midi1 no matter where I plug it in. If I plug only one of them into the second usb port it will create midi1 and midi2. alsa-base.conf cannot seem to use the udev rules. It looks like something is assigning the soundcard numbers before or after udev. Any ideas? Ingo More than udev it might be a modprobe thing. I have these rules in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf : options snd-emu10k1 index=0 options snd_intel8x0 index=1 ...which make my Soundblaster card always be hw:0 and the motherboard sound card be hw:1. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
Hi Chris, I tried PdDroidParty on my cousin's phone over the week-end. It's so easy to install and use it's scary. Thank you for sharing this! Now two questions : - Do you plan on improving the GUI just a little bit? (I like the rough look of Pd's native GUI, but i think it'd be nice if we could have a little color on the sliders, bangs and toggles). - Can i use [shell] in Android in order to delete and create folders, and generally manage the tracks i record on the phone? Thanks again, it's really neat! Pierre 2011/9/1 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx Hi, On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 06:00:12PM +0200, athos bacchiocchi wrote: 2011/8/31 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx As Michael Noble mentioned, I really think PdDroidParty could help you here. hey, that's really nice, thanks for sharing! I'm thinkering with it, is there a way to get data from the phone's accelerometer? No there isn't. Maybe this is something I should add. I will put it on the TODO list. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
Hi Pierre, Hi Chris, I tried PdDroidParty on my cousin's phone over the week-end. It's so easy to install and use it's scary. Thank you for sharing this! Great stuff, I'm glad it works easily for you. These kind words make me motivated to get the new release out ASAP! :) (My Android phone died last night unfortunately but I will try to buy a new one today as the new release is very close and I might just be able to fit it into the family budget with some stretching heheheh). Now two questions : - Do you plan on improving the GUI just a little bit? (I like the rough look of Pd's native GUI, but i think it'd be nice if we could have a little color on the sliders, bangs and toggles). Attached is a screenshot of what I am working on right now. You can theme the supported widgets with SVGs. E.g. an SVG image for toggle-on and a different one for toggle-off. You can have different SVGs according to labels and sendname too. So for example you could have all toggles themed with one look, and then give one toggle the send field of record themed differently with an SVG (Toggle-record-off.svg) that looks like a record button. - Can i use [shell] in Android in order to delete and create folders, and generally manage the tracks i record on the phone? I have made an abstraction called [loadsave] which wraps openpanel and savepanel in desktop Pd and lets you have a nice Android style interface on the device. That gives you a small amount of access to the filesystem, but not everything you mention. If you use the [menubutton] abstraction you can put things in the Android menu too. See the other screenshot for that. However, your question begs a larger one which is support for a limited number of externals. It would be cool to support [shell] and also the OSC externals in PdDroidParty, but it really depends on whether they have used Hans' Makefile-template which makes compiling for Android trivial. I will put this on the TODO list to investigate. In the end I would like to keep the number of externals as small as possible so that things work on vanilla Pd on the desktop, but if someone really needs something I am happy to look at putting it in. This is especially true if you get the PdDroidParty code checked out and do the work of making an external compile in yourself. :D Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx attachment: device-2011-08-30-100028.pngattachment: device-2011-08-30-101515.png___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
This looks really nice! I'm looking forward to the next release! I'll buy my own phone tonight (hopefuly...) and i'll try your abstractions sometime soon. I'd be glad to help if i can, but a quick look at your blog remembered me that i have very limited skills... I can always test stuff on my own device if you want and if it makes sense. I forgot to ask : can i use the tilt-sensor in PdDroidParty? Pierre 2011/9/5 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx Hi Pierre, Hi Chris, I tried PdDroidParty on my cousin's phone over the week-end. It's so easy to install and use it's scary. Thank you for sharing this! Great stuff, I'm glad it works easily for you. These kind words make me motivated to get the new release out ASAP! :) (My Android phone died last night unfortunately but I will try to buy a new one today as the new release is very close and I might just be able to fit it into the family budget with some stretching heheheh). Now two questions : - Do you plan on improving the GUI just a little bit? (I like the rough look of Pd's native GUI, but i think it'd be nice if we could have a little color on the sliders, bangs and toggles). Attached is a screenshot of what I am working on right now. You can theme the supported widgets with SVGs. E.g. an SVG image for toggle-on and a different one for toggle-off. You can have different SVGs according to labels and sendname too. So for example you could have all toggles themed with one look, and then give one toggle the send field of record themed differently with an SVG (Toggle-record-off.svg) that looks like a record button. - Can i use [shell] in Android in order to delete and create folders, and generally manage the tracks i record on the phone? I have made an abstraction called [loadsave] which wraps openpanel and savepanel in desktop Pd and lets you have a nice Android style interface on the device. That gives you a small amount of access to the filesystem, but not everything you mention. If you use the [menubutton] abstraction you can put things in the Android menu too. See the other screenshot for that. However, your question begs a larger one which is support for a limited number of externals. It would be cool to support [shell] and also the OSC externals in PdDroidParty, but it really depends on whether they have used Hans' Makefile-template which makes compiling for Android trivial. I will put this on the TODO list to investigate. In the end I would like to keep the number of externals as small as possible so that things work on vanilla Pd on the desktop, but if someone really needs something I am happy to look at putting it in. This is especially true if you get the PdDroidParty code checked out and do the work of making an external compile in yourself. :D Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Report: BEAM Festival with some Pd'rs
(sorry for x-post) Hi folks, I thought it may be of interest: http://www.thesaddj.com/report-beam-festival-uxbridge-uk/ best, -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] DIlib issues on OSX 10.6.x
Hi Richie, I just ran through this again with the latest versions of everything, and it still worked for me on OSX 10.6.8. You're right that there is no libusb 2.0... The first thing I'd want to double check is that you installed libtool libusb-devel via macports, and that you did the +universal for libusb: $ sudo port install libtool $ sudo port install libusb-devel +universal If that doesn't help and you want to shoot a few emails back and forth to get this going, contact me off list. We can post back here if we have some more info that's useful for others. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey list, I'm trying to get my shiny new kinect setup for Pd play. I'm following WIlliam Brent's DIlib install instructions here, all was smooth sailing but I've hit a road block. I'm up to installing NITE. The directory name format seems a little different from the older version in the install instructions but I persevered and this is what I got: ...Nite-Bin-MacOSX-v1.4.1.2 thebeast$ sudo ./install.sh dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.0.dylib Referenced from: /usr/lib/libOpenNI.dylib Reason: Incompatible library version: libOpenNI.dylib requires version 2.0.0 or later, but libusb-1.0.0.dylib provides version 1.0.0 ./install.sh: line 23: 98348 Trace/BPT trap niReg /usr/lib/$base /usr/etc/primesense/$fdir If I'm reading it right (and I'm probably not, because I'm not used to this command line bizzo). It's not installing because it wants libusb 2.0+. I couldn't find a version of libusb that high, plus the libusb site seems to be down. Any advice would be much appreciated. Has anyone else tried this install? Got it working? I've also read about libfreenect, would that be a better way to go (keeping in mind that the less sudoing I do the better). thanks heaps -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not saying with we implement a strict duck typing mimicing Ruby or Python. I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am saying that you are using the wrong words for that. So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. or maybe symbols that can be interpreted as a number behave like a float when something is expecting a float. That's what Tcl and Perl do for ints, floats and strings. They don't call it duck-typing though, and no-one does. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] helpbrowser and the paths
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 6:20 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-05-09 15:48, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: given that both GF and Gem are to add their paths automatically on startup, the left column if the help-browser might have 500 help-patches and several dozens of directories. speaking of which, do you have a solution for the following case ? When people uninstall and reinstall the library with a different path, and then they have to know that they're supposed to remove any path items that have been added automatically, because they do happen to be saved if you edit the paths from the Path dialogue. run a script that checks the user's .pdsettings for potential older installations of GF and suggest to remove them. Another idea is to discourage the use of the preferences for saving paths and startup libraries. Since gridflow configure its self when its loaded, people can use [import gridflow]/[declare -lib gridflow] in the patch. But there's a difference between discouraging the use and removing the use. When you do [import gridflow], gridflow will try adding itself to the path. As long as the path gets saved into the settings-file, it may contain gridflow folders for versions of gridflow that are not in use. I might get gridflow to stop adding things to the path in the future, just to avoid such problems in the future. It's a lot better than having gridflow's startup trying to see whether anything has to be removed from path... and doing it correctly. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 02:23:59PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Definitely check out Bryan Jurish's moocow with its bytes2any and any2bytes. They work quite nicely for converting between messages and lists of byte floats and are easy to use. I only want to use externals that I can guarantee every user who I distribute my patches to will have, or can easily get, including people on mobile devices. Do those externals compile with your Makefile-template? The moocow externals have a separate, custom automake build system. They are also included with Pd-extended. Pd-extended was created with this idea as the central focus, it is a standard distribution of a whole collection of libraries. .hc kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not saying with we implement a strict duck typing mimicing Ruby or Python. I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am saying that you are using the wrong words for that. Unfortunately terms to describe typing do not have clear boundaries. But which words are used are not important to me, as long as the meaning gets across. Does dynamic typing make you happy? Python, Ruby, Perl, Tcl, and to a large extent Pd, all have dynamic typing. So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. Do you have an examples? That would be very helpful. Off the top of my head, it seems that it would only break patches that rely on errors, which is not a very common situation. hc or maybe symbols that can be interpreted as a number behave like a float when something is expecting a float. That's what Tcl and Perl do for ints, floats and strings. They don't call it duck-typing though, and no-one does. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC [T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own government. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] helpbrowser and the paths
On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 6:20 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-05-09 15:48, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: given that both GF and Gem are to add their paths automatically on startup, the left column if the help-browser might have 500 help-patches and several dozens of directories. speaking of which, do you have a solution for the following case ? When people uninstall and reinstall the library with a different path, and then they have to know that they're supposed to remove any path items that have been added automatically, because they do happen to be saved if you edit the paths from the Path dialogue. run a script that checks the user's .pdsettings for potential older installations of GF and suggest to remove them. Another idea is to discourage the use of the preferences for saving paths and startup libraries. Since gridflow configure its self when its loaded, people can use [import gridflow]/[declare -lib gridflow] in the patch. But there's a difference between discouraging the use and removing the use. When you do [import gridflow], gridflow will try adding itself to the path. As long as the path gets saved into the settings-file, it may contain gridflow folders for versions of gridflow that are not in use. I might get gridflow to stop adding things to the path in the future, just to avoid such problems in the future. It's a lot better than having gridflow's startup trying to see whether anything has to be removed from path... and doing it correctly. I agree, I think it would be better to remove setting the startup and path preferences completely, and leave only the command line flags and [import]/[declare]. I think we can leave in the loading of preferences since that would be similar to command line flags. Its something to try and see what happens. .hc I hate it when they say, He gave his life for his country. Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. - Admiral Gene LeRocque ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at; Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx; Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not saying with we implement a strict duck typing mimicing Ruby or Python. I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am saying that you are using the wrong words for that. So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. or maybe symbols that can be interpreted as a number behave like a float when something is expecting a float. That's what Tcl and Perl do for ints, floats and strings. And that's what I want for Pd. However, I wonder if this would cause more instances of people running out of memory from filling up the symbol table. Currently if you generate an error from sending a symbol atom where a float is expected, you know something screwy is going on, post to the list, and figure out the problem and generate float-atoms instead. However, if that's not an error, you increase the chance of someone needlessly generating lots of unique symbol-atoms (maybe with an accumulator, or importing them from a database as symbol-atoms instead of floats), and having problems or crashes that are less obvious. -Jonathan They don't call it duck-typing though, and no-one does. duck-taping? No. How about goose-for-duck-swapping? As in you send a duck (A_SYMBOL), and if the object expects a number then Pd swaps the duck for a goose (A_FLOAT). ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 01:36:34PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. This discussion is s 2005 ... Anyway, a symbol, even if it consists only of digits, will not be interpreted as a number in Pd: a symbol is a symbol, a float is a float. Note that the sentence that you quote sometimes and which sounds similar to the statement above (Anything that is not a valid number os [sic!] considered a symbol. from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x2.htm#s3.1) is talking about the content of [object boxes] (or more generally: about the Pd editor). Here this sentence is true, but you know that not every data entity in Pd can be used in object boxes as name or argument, while most things that looks like a number will become one here. But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. Do you have an examples? That would be very helpful. Off the top of my head, it seems that it would only break patches that rely on errors, which is not a very common situation. What errors would patches rely on that use [makefilename %d] to generate a symbol? Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sep 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 01:36:34PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. This discussion is s 2005 ... And sadly is still unresolved... Anyway, a symbol, even if it consists only of digits, will not be interpreted as a number in Pd: a symbol is a symbol, a float is a float. Note that the sentence that you quote sometimes and which sounds similar to the statement above (Anything that is not a valid number os [sic!] considered a symbol. from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x2.htm#s3.1) is talking about the content of [object boxes] (or more generally: about the Pd editor). Here this sentence is true, but you know that not every data entity in Pd can be used in object boxes as name or argument, while most things that looks like a number will become one here. I agree that the implementation does not match the descriptions in the manual. That's what is in important here. Yes, its possible to generate any kind of symbols using certain techniques, but it is not possible to generate any kind of symbol using any kind of symbol generation. That's one example of where the inconsistency is a pain. Try [symbol 43( for example, or this: [43( | [symbol] Is it really a good idea to have a separate type system in object boxes versus the rest of Pd? What we need to come up with first is a coherent idea of what Pd's type system should be, or make Pd consistent with the idea it was built around. Otherwise we'll forever have a confusing, hack job system where different objects and externals have different ideas of how to intrepret symbols (which is basically what we have now). Name another language you want to use that doesn't have consistent typing? But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. Do you have an examples? That would be very helpful. Off the top of my head, it seems that it would only break patches that rely on errors, which is not a very common situation. What errors would patches rely on that use [makefilename %d] to generate a symbol? That's a clear case of where my proposed solution would help. Things that expect symbols would interpret the message from [makefilename %d] as a symbol, and things that expect floats would interpret the message from [makefilename %d] as a float. So the kind of thing I'm talking about would be like this: [makefilename %d] | [float] Then having the patch rely on the error: float: no method for 'symbol' error that is normally generated in that case. The part I don't have a clear idea on is for things that expect both a symbol and a float, how should [makefilename %d] be interpreted. My guess now is that it should be interpreted as a symbol in that case. .hc Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] selecting an alsa soundcard at startup
Sorry, I haven't read your message completely and I thought it was a reiteration of Tim's original question. I think Tim will be alrite with the alsa-base.conf solution, but your problem is trickier. Andras 2011/9/5 Ingo i...@miamiwave.com That's what I was thinking, too. But it doesn't work like this. The devices I create with udev show up in /dev. But the devices used by /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf : snd-emu10k1 snd_intel8x0 do not show up in /dev. That means the sound device names are created somewhere else. Names that I create with udev in /dev seem to be ignored by modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. So the question is where are these sound card IDs generated and how could I create such an ID with udev? Ingo On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 14:33, Ingo i...@miamiwave.com wrote: Has anybody had any success with udev? I need to use oss and have tried to create a udev.rule to connect two identical usb midi interfaces and identify them by the usb port. I ended up creating the devices in /dev/ and /dev/snd/ and named them /dev/midi1, /dev/midi2 and/or /dev/snd/midiC1D0, /dev/snd/C2D0. They show up correctly in the folder /dev/ but I don't know how to assign them to anything alsa-base.conf can use. The first one that gets plugged in is always midi1 no matter where I plug it in. If I plug only one of them into the second usb port it will create midi1 and midi2. alsa-base.conf cannot seem to use the udev rules. It looks like something is assigning the soundcard numbers before or after udev. Any ideas? Ingo More than udev it might be a modprobe thing. I have these rules in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf : options snd-emu10k1 index=0 options snd_intel8x0 index=1 ...which make my Soundblaster card always be hw:0 and the motherboard sound card be hw:1. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sep 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 01:36:34PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. This discussion is s 2005 ... And sadly is still unresolved... Anyway, a symbol, even if it consists only of digits, will not be interpreted as a number in Pd: a symbol is a symbol, a float is a float. Note that the sentence that you quote sometimes and which sounds similar to the statement above (Anything that is not a valid number os [sic!] considered a symbol. from http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x2.htm#s3.1) is talking about the content of [object boxes] (or more generally: about the Pd editor). Here this sentence is true, but you know that not every data entity in Pd can be used in object boxes as name or argument, while most things that looks like a number will become one here. I agree that the implementation does not match the descriptions in the manual. That's what is in important here. Yes, its possible to generate any kind of symbols using certain techniques, but it is not possible to generate any kind of symbol using any kind of symbol generation. That's one example of where the inconsistency is a pain. Try [symbol 43( for example, or this: [43( | [symbol] Is it really a good idea to have a separate type system in object boxes versus the rest of Pd? What we need to come up with first is a coherent idea of what Pd's type system should be, or make Pd consistent with the idea it was built around. Otherwise we'll forever have a confusing, hack job system where different objects and externals have different ideas of how to intrepret symbols (which is basically what we have now). Name another language you want to use that doesn't have consistent typing? But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, This could break some existing patches. Do you have an examples? That would be very helpful. Off the top of my head, it seems that it would only break patches that rely on errors, which is not a very common situation. What errors would patches rely on that use [makefilename %d] to generate a symbol? That's a clear case of where my proposed solution would help. Things that expect symbols would interpret the message from [makefilename %d] as a symbol, and things that expect floats would interpret the message from [makefilename %d] as a float. So the kind of thing I'm talking about would be like this: [makefilename %d] | [float] Hm, how about making it so that a Pd selector cannot be anything that could be interpreted as a valid number in Pd? In other words, convert any numeric selector to a float atom: [12( | [makefilename %d] | [list trim] -- selector '12' becomes a float atom '12' | [float] -- float atom has implicit 'float' selector, so it is accepted at the inlet I don't think this would break existing patches, except in really obscure cases. -Jonathan Then having the patch rely on the error: float: no method for 'symbol' error that is normally generated in that case. The part I don't have a clear idea on is for things that expect both a symbol and a float, how should [makefilename %d] be interpreted. My guess now is that it should be interpreted as a symbol in that case. .hc Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Windowing library
Yeah, Joe Sarlo vanished a while back. I think Ed Kelly and I committed the windowing library to the pure-data SVN. Go ahead and directly commit. .hc On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, Have some revisions for the windowing lib help patches. jsa...@ucsd.edu bounced back. Can I just commit the changes? -Jonathan Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Sep 5, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hi Pierre, Hi Chris, I tried PdDroidParty on my cousin's phone over the week- end. It's so easy to install and use it's scary. Thank you for sharing this! Great stuff, I'm glad it works easily for you. These kind words make me motivated to get the new release out ASAP! :) (My Android phone died last night unfortunately but I will try to buy a new one today as the new release is very close and I might just be able to fit it into the family budget with some stretching heheheh). Now two questions : - Do you plan on improving the GUI just a little bit? (I like the rough look of Pd's native GUI, but i think it'd be nice if we could have a little color on the sliders, bangs and toggles). Attached is a screenshot of what I am working on right now. You can theme the supported widgets with SVGs. E.g. an SVG image for toggle-on and a different one for toggle-off. You can have different SVGs according to labels and sendname too. So for example you could have all toggles themed with one look, and then give one toggle the send field of record themed differently with an SVG (Toggle-record-off.svg) that looks like a record button. - Can i use [shell] in Android in order to delete and create folders, and generally manage the tracks i record on the phone? I have made an abstraction called [loadsave] which wraps openpanel and savepanel in desktop Pd and lets you have a nice Android style interface on the device. That gives you a small amount of access to the filesystem, but not everything you mention. If you use the [menubutton] abstraction you can put things in the Android menu too. See the other screenshot for that. However, your question begs a larger one which is support for a limited number of externals. It would be cool to support [shell] and also the OSC externals in PdDroidParty, but it really depends on whether they have used Hans' Makefile-template which makes compiling for Android trivial. I will put this on the TODO list to investigate. In the end I would like to keep the number of externals as small as possible so that things work on vanilla Pd on the desktop, but if someone really needs something I am happy to look at putting it in. This is especially true if you get the PdDroidParty code checked out and do the work of making an external compile in yourself. :D [shell] is in ggee and [system] is in motex, both of those use the Makefile Template, so they should be really easy to compile for Android. How are you installing externals with PdDroidParty? It'd be nice to have a simple, common folder to drop the whole library in, say something like /sdcard/pd-externals. .hc I hate it when they say, He gave his life for his country. Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. - Admiral Gene LeRocque ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Windowing library
Done. How about tof? In tof-meta under license it says whatever hans wants. Have you taken over that library as well? -Jonathan From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Pd List pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Windowing library Yeah, Joe Sarlo vanished a while back. I think Ed Kelly and I committed the windowing library to the pure-data SVN. Go ahead and directly commit. .hc On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, Have some revisions for the windowing lib help patches. jsa...@ucsd.edu bounced back. Can I just commit the changes? -Jonathan Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [shell] is in ggee and [system] is in motex, both of those use the Makefile Template, so they should be really easy to compile for Android. How are you installing externals with PdDroidParty? It'd be nice to have a simple, common folder to drop the whole library in, say something like /sdcard/pd-externals. Hm, that's a good idea, and then the user could put the externals they want in that folder themselves. I guess I just use libpd's command to add that folder to Pd's path? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 02:49:41PM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: I forgot to ask : can i use the tilt-sensor in PdDroidParty? Not yet, but it is on my TODO list. Also multitouch support, which people have requested too. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] DIlib issues on OSX 10.6.x
Hi William, Thanks for replying! A friend helped me me through it. You are right, something hadn't installed right the first time for some reason. After doing the port installs and all the other steps again it works! Thanks for those Pd patches, a great place to start from. I'm thinking about trying Homebrew and libfreenect on my other machine (also OSX)... Do you think there are any advantages/disadvantages between that way and your DIlib? Anyone on the list tried both? libfreenect claims to offer some other functionality, but I don't know how accessible it will be via Pd. thanks On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:22 AM, William Brent william.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Richie, I just ran through this again with the latest versions of everything, and it still worked for me on OSX 10.6.8. You're right that there is no libusb 2.0... The first thing I'd want to double check is that you installed libtool libusb-devel via macports, and that you did the +universal for libusb: $ sudo port install libtool $ sudo port install libusb-devel +universal If that doesn't help and you want to shoot a few emails back and forth to get this going, contact me off list. We can post back here if we have some more info that's useful for others. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey list, I'm trying to get my shiny new kinect setup for Pd play. I'm following WIlliam Brent's DIlib install instructions here, all was smooth sailing but I've hit a road block. I'm up to installing NITE. The directory name format seems a little different from the older version in the install instructions but I persevered and this is what I got: ...Nite-Bin-MacOSX-v1.4.1.2 thebeast$ sudo ./install.sh dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libusb-1.0.0.dylib Referenced from: /usr/lib/libOpenNI.dylib Reason: Incompatible library version: libOpenNI.dylib requires version 2.0.0 or later, but libusb-1.0.0.dylib provides version 1.0.0 ./install.sh: line 23: 98348 Trace/BPT trap niReg /usr/lib/$base /usr/etc/primesense/$fdir If I'm reading it right (and I'm probably not, because I'm not used to this command line bizzo). It's not installing because it wants libusb 2.0+. I couldn't find a version of libusb that high, plus the libusb site seems to be down. Any advice would be much appreciated. Has anyone else tried this install? Got it working? I've also read about libfreenect, would that be a better way to go (keeping in mind that the less sudoing I do the better). thanks heaps -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Windowing library
I'm not sure the status of 'tof'. That's Thomas Ouellet Fredericks' library. I haven't committed to it. .hc On Sep 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Done. How about tof? In tof-meta under license it says whatever hans wants. Have you taken over that library as well? -Jonathan From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Pd List pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Windowing library Yeah, Joe Sarlo vanished a while back. I think Ed Kelly and I committed the windowing library to the pure-data SVN. Go ahead and directly commit. .hc On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, Have some revisions for the windowing lib help patches. jsa...@ucsd.edu bounced back. Can I just commit the changes? -Jonathan Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Sep 5, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 02:49:41PM +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: I forgot to ask : can i use the tilt-sensor in PdDroidParty? Not yet, but it is on my TODO list. Also multitouch support, which people have requested too. Should be easy if you start with the code in Peter Brinkmann's ScenePlayer. .hc [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd on Android
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [shell] is in ggee and [system] is in motex, both of those use the Makefile Template, so they should be really easy to compile for Android. How are you installing externals with PdDroidParty? It'd be nice to have a simple, common folder to drop the whole library in, say something like /sdcard/pd-externals. Hm, that's a good idea, and then the user could put the externals they want in that folder themselves. I guess I just use libpd's command to add that folder to Pd's path? You'll probably need to copy the binaries to internal storage because /sdcard is mounted as noexec. I ran into that problem last year and it took me ages to make sense of the error message... Cheers, Peter ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-la Patching Circle/Workshop With Peter Kirn
The response has been great for this workshop, so Peter has agreed to doing a second workshop on Saturday, 9/10 at 6 pm. Sign-ups for the new session are in the store: http://store.crashspacela.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=39 There are still a couple seats for the Thursday 9/8 workshop available: http://store.crashspacela.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=2products_id=38 -Theron ^ On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 04:58:03PM -0700, Theron Trowbridge wrote: Peter is a musician, Create Digital Music blogger (http://createdigitalmusic.com/), and is involved in porting pdlib to Processing and the design of the hackable synthesizer, the MeeBlip (http://meeblip.noisepages.com/). On Thursday, September 8th, from 7-10 PM, Peter will be teaching a workshop about using pdlib within Processing. ... The patching circle meets at CRASHspace (10526 Venice Blvd, Culver City CA 90232) and is open and free to all. Donations to support CRASHspace are of course welcome. This should be excellent. Wish I could make it! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
