Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)
On 01/10/2007, at 17.57, F R E N K wrote: The main problem with this is I would get silence between the slices, instead of one continuous loop. The silence will be very short. I'd be surprised if you can hear it. Other then Hard Off's solution i believe one could either make sure the slices are zero-crossing (that the endpoint that the end points are 0 (or at-least the same value)) or to interpolate between the endpoints of the slices. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)
On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote: I'd be surprised if you can hear it. Hmm. Maybe I should take that back. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
On 05/10/2007, at 15.26, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Olivier Revollat wrote: I want to use fiddle~ do convert melody played on an acouistic guitar into midi notes ... Does anybody done something like that ? thanks ;) like this? [adc~] | [fiddle~] | [mtof] | [sig~] | [phasor~] | [cos~] | [dac~] Ain't it [adc~]/[fiddle~]/[ftom]/[whatever_uses_the_midi_notes] or am i misunderstanding something? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] using fiddle~ ?
On 05/10/2007, at 18.25, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: my interpretation of this is, that the pitch (56.9946) is given in MIDI (57) and not in Hz (220). /me ducks -- sorry about posting before double checking my facts. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] That's a surprising new look
While I agree very much with both Kevin and Frank, quoted below, i think this debate is healthy, as it would be foolish not to look for new ideas. That many new ideas will be discarded since they rime an awful lot with Fisher Price is another matter. On 10/10/2007, at 3.27, Kevin McCoy wrote: Sends and receives (...) On 10/10/2007, at 8.47, Frank Barknecht wrote: But well, if it works for them ... ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] That's a surprising new look
On 10/10/2007, at 16.07, marius schebella wrote: I don't understand people complaining about additional features. you don't have to use it, if you don't want. Minimal or to-the-point-ness of an application can be very desirable. To illustrate I've for the same reasons used EevilWM not Gnome/KDE/ Fluxbox. but for other people it makes sense to layout their interface independently from their code. That is also doable in Pd as is with fx. send/receive or OSC. One can even make a custom GUI in another environment and make it communicates with a (set of) Pd patch(es). design is so important for a graphical user interface! Agreed. As i see it it's the choice of the programer (ie. Pd user) how the interface should be. There are a lot of artistic motivation in that choice. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files
On 16/10/2007, at 12.40, Patrice Colet wrote: I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have properly documented somewhere. A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well. There is something in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-msg/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files
On 16/10/2007, at 22.51, Andy Farnell wrote: Where is the complete file format and syntactic definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the source of the parser)? Though it might not be up to date i think there has been made an attempt in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-fileformat.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] many paths, how
On 16/10/2007, at 21.04, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: You can separate paths with : You may wanna check out Franks Tips'n'Tricks page which also explains the colon trick. http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/TipsAndTricks#add-more-entries- to-the-path-and-library-dialogs Or see the FAQ about editing the prefs file that Hans mentioned: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/FrontPage#WhatIsPdSettings ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!
And no problem on intel core duo mac os x.4.10 On 19/10/2007, at 2.55, Jack wrote: No problem on PowerPc G4, macosx 10.4.8 Jack Le 19 oct. 07 à 02:30, marius schebella a écrit : I cannot run the installer, it gives me an error codec overrun. this is intel mac os x. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] scroll bug
On 22/10/2007, at 18.06, matteo sisti sette wrote: It never happened to me before It did happen to me before, cf. [1]. But it seams to be fixed in later versions of Pd-extended-0.39.x As i describe in that email it happened all the time when i tried to scroll or had scrolling enabled. [1] http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-06/039351.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] metastudio released
On 24/10/2007, at 13.00, Ed Kelly wrote: I'm interested to know if the patches are loading OK on OSX (you're running a Mac Book right?) I am at leat. I seam to work alright. Just need to [import ekext]. It's big for a small screen. I've only tried the demodrum one as it had a 'load something that make it play sounds' button. I have almost no idea what's going on. It's fairly complex. It uses only 17% cpu for the pd process but the gui uses something about 95%. Thanks for sharing, Ed. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem
On 24/10/2007, at 13.33, Ed Kelly wrote: Chun did a cool thing - it would be interesting to know how the video was made. Look up 'chun lee glass cloud' on youtube. Wicket -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ-6_9ahw08 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended
On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote: marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7 $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc They are not the same. marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg -rw-r--r-- 1 marius marius 35065615 Oct 24 15:16 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg But it takes up the same space: $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg -rw-r--r-- 1 u g 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended- macosx104-i386.dmg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended
On 25/10/2007, at 21.19, marius schebella wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: Hence im afraid it's on your side, Marius. Have you got the opportunity to dl (the 24/10 autobuild) via another internet connection? Did the version Roman provided work? I would be glad to find the error, even if it is on my side. the sourceforge link worked perfectly. it is only when I download from the autobuild farm, and it is only since fall. (like september or so). I think it started before the convention. I also did a ssh into my server, downloaded the file to the server and then from the server to my computer and I did not have problems. (checksum ok). but when I download directly from the autobuild link, then I get a corrupted file. Ok. I understand. This seam really strange, to me at least. maybe it is related to the download speed? my connection downloads at 1.5 Mb/s (20seconds). all of my computers have problems to download the file (mac, windows and linux!) at that speed... Worth a try it is. Is it possible to enforce a check during download (which I thought tcp/ip does automatically)? I think it does something to check what it gets. And if it gets bad packages it requests a new one. But i really don't know much about tcp/ip. I will test other computers and networks and maybe I find what the ones that do not work have in common. That would be good too. But what you say may indicate that speed is a factor. Though strange. Maybe the router ain't geared for your fast download rate. Is there a way to limit the download speed? `curl` can with the '--limit-rate' parameter. So something along the line of: $ curl --limit-rate 100K http://path/to/autobuild/dmg dmg # dl @ 100K/s ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Good sounding PD reverb patches - anyone?
On 13/10/2007, at 21.19, Thomas Jeppesen wrote: So are there anyone out there experimenting with reverb-algorithms in pd? And are you willing to share your patches? Hey Thomas. See also Andy's fibonacci reverb: http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/toys/fiboverb/fiboverb.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch?
On 26/10/2007, at 15.00, Frank Barknecht wrote: However delay 0 compared to a direct connection will defer execution for a logical step. Say you have a t b b and a delay 0 connected to the right outlet, plus a print left and print right below these (sorry, can't type brackets here so no ASCII). Then even when the right outlet of t b b fires first, the delay 0 will defer its bang, so that still the left gets printed before the right. Both get printed in the same block, though, and at the same time. Say what... what happened to depth first? - What am i missing? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch?
On 26/10/2007, at 16.36, Frank Barknecht wrote: You're missing nothing: delay 0 is used to *deliberatly* break depth first for the tree following it and kind of convert it to this depth last. Ah. I see. Thanks. It does work when nested too. (See attached for a demo.) Sometimes this can be useful. Ok. There is no use case that pops to mind. Got one? I think that if i had the need, i'd (re-)order it [t]'er-wise. To be a little risky and fresh; I think using [delay 0] like that is spaghetti coding. depthfirstbutdelay.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pdp_frei0r für frei0r 1 .1...
On 28/10/2007, at 15.00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12s . cannot create when i open the patch are you sure it doesn't say 'l2s' instead of '12s'? Search and replace l2s with list2symbol in the patch. To cite Hans in from a resent email to this list: One thing that I forgot to add is that many aliases currently don't work in Pd-extended. So sometimes, you need to use full names, like list2symbol instead of l2s. (Re: [PD] [entry] changes, 27. okt 2007) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fun with Lua coroutines
On 31/10/2007, at 21.11, Frank Barknecht wrote: Lua could also be used as a very powerful textfile replacement, that would allow more structured score files in a BibTex fashion. Wait for an example for this coming soon. I'm really looking forward to see what you mean by 'structured score files in a BibTex fashion'. Nice promotion btw. Thanks. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Difference between import and declare
On 31/10/2007, at 22.05, Roman Haefeli wrote: for some reason, i am totally missing declare-help.pd right now. i performed a cvs update, but the file is still missing. am i doing something wrong here, or is it really missing in cvs? I can't locate it in CVS either, but it is in the src tar-ball from millers site. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fun with Lua coroutines
On 01/11/2007, at 10.51, Frank Barknecht wrote: Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: On 31/10/2007, at 21.11, Frank Barknecht wrote: Lua could also be used as a very powerful textfile replacement, that would allow more structured score files in a BibTex fashion. Wait for an example for this coming soon. I'm really looking forward to see what you mean by 'structured score files in a BibTex fashion'. I mean something like this: http://www.lua.org/pil/10.1.html of course adapted to music, so a datafile could look like: (snip) Ah, ok. It was especially the 'BibTex fashion' that got me curious. Now i know what you mean by 'fashion'. I think. There is no nesting in BibTeX for what i know of though. All that blah blah said i think what your write about the structured- ness is a good thing, as it allows for a (BibTeX kinda) way of handling/doing multi diminutional arrays even with strings as keys. - Which in a PHP fashion could be like: Instruments[bass][tb303][cutoff] = 10 Instruments[bass][tb303][cf] = 440 Instruments[drumm] = drummset1 Patterns[p1] = 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 Patterns[p2] = 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 Score[bass] = p1 Score[drum] = p2 Though the idea is the same, the Poor Mans SC is properly more human readable. Hope you post your example somewhere when you get to it. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch? II
On 01/11/2007, at 17.30, Javier Garcia wrote: does the attached patch is what you wanted? Yes, but would prefer modify my patch. Have a look at cyrille's patch and see where it differs from your patch. - It doesn't use the delay. after you've checked if you've got all the way up to 1, you don't have to wait 10ms to reset the counter. The next thing that happens is that the metro bang's the [f] again at some point. Let the metro control the timing (in this case at least). - you can use [moses 1] as in curille's patch to check if check if you have got all the way up to 1. As in, use moses instead of the combination of [== 1] and [select 1] you've used. One good reason is that you make sure the counter doesn't skip the 1 mark. Fx from 0.97 to 1.01. In your patch that could easily happen. - and finally it uses a trigger, [t f f]. This is done to make sure the counter is updated before you check if you've got all the way up to 1. In this case it might not matter, but the use of triggers is a good thing one should use when ever there is more then one patch-cord out of an outlet to make sure things happen in the order one what's them to happen. So in this view cyrille has in fact modified your patch. Hope this helps. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum
On 03/11/2007, at 8.02, hard off wrote: i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc... There is also the http://puredata.info website people can use. For tutorials for instance folks can add to http://puredata.info/docs/ tutorials Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable
On 04/11/2007, at 12.03, Frank Barknecht wrote: I very much support that approach. I also think preferences/themes are a good ide. This could quickly become the bike shred colouring story over again. The only way a GUI overhaul can work in the long run IMO is to make a configuration system. This actually probably should not be a command line flag like -originalgui or -newgui, but a new configuration file for themes that can be loaded with -theme or so. I like the idea of separating it, but i think it would be good to consider the possibilities to get it into vanilla Pd as well. I don't know if there is any strategy with that goal that works better then others wrt. that? In some sense such custom GUI options would support the goal of being cultural natural. The computer music community is similar to the Linux community in that it can grow among small groups with only occasional need for outside contact beyond what a modem can provide. To empower this, it is important that the software not come with its own cultural freight but that it adapt to whatever realities exist where the users live. This is exactly what typifies good software development in general. - Miller Puckette, Max at Seventeen, Computer Music Journal, Vol. 26, No 4, p. 41. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable
On 04/11/2007, at 17.21, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Avoid BWidget and Iwidgets since those aren't currently included in Pd's Tcl/Tk. Does anyone know of alternative tricks wrt. building tab'ed windows? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable
On 05/11/2007, at 18.23, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The file theme_from_commandline would just need to specify variables in tcl-syntax: set theme_bgcolor grey set theme_bwidth 2 ... FYI, this should be possible now using [textfile] and [sys_gui]. See my themer example I posted last night, then add [textfile] and some basic parsing. I think the/your [sys_gui] is interesting from a GUI slash custom patch layout per patch point of view. But another interface for setting the general patch layout (~theme) would be great, I think. One reason, as I spoke of earlier, is the possibility of getting it into vanilla Pd too. For that to make sense there need a non-external interface. - As I see it. Related: What does the changes to the *.c files in color_scheme_support-0.40.3.patch do? I read c not good. But to put it another way: Would it be troublesome to add another interface fx via a theme file with tcl syntax? At a later point it could get it's own tab in a tab-ified preference window as a bonus. In this discussion i think it's good to keep the distinction between the general layout/theme and the per patch ditto. Technically [sys_gui] and friends can do both. It can by it self do the general themes by (re)setting the vars in pd.tk. With friends it can therefor also reset it to default, where default is the the default theme the given user has specified - right? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum
On 06/11/2007, at 22.22, Andy Farnell wrote: On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:33:02 -0500 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, for user patches, tec. puredata.info has sections. Perhaps they could be improved. Yeah, I looked and failed to find the sections. Obviously the potential is there for .info to be a wonderful central node, but it does have usability problems imho. Hey Andy. Check out http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials. The great thing about the free form of that page (the tutorials page) is that one can add links to third party sites. Meaning one can add links to tutorials on other websites. Meaning they can be in any format. I've heard there are a bunch of wonderful tutorials in PDF including interactive Pd examples at a site called ObiWannabe.Co.UK. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FFTease Universal Binaries anywhere?
On 06/11/2007, at 19.43, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: And I guess their sources are not available too. The source is in the CVS repo in externals/grill/fftease/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] FFTease Universal Binaries anywhere?
On 06/11/2007, at 22.15, Thomas Grill wrote: Steffen Juul schrieb: On 06/11/2007, at 19.43, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: And I guess their sources are not available too. The source is in the CVS repo in externals/grill/fftease/ Not really i should remove it to avoid misunderstandings. The fftease port in the pd cvs is old and incomplete. Ah, thanks for clarifying, Thomas. I'm sorry, Batuhan, i didn't know that and didn't check carefully but assumed it was the FFTease i was looking at in the Pd CVS repo. Then, with out the source, i guess your best luck is to contact Erik directly. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [declare] trouble
On 07/11/2007, at 10.26, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, robbert van hulzen hat gesagt: // robbert van hulzen wrote: just downloaded last night's autobuild--looks very nice! i understand the wish for flexible colours etc, but hc, thanks a lot for the work! there is something however that i don't understand: why is it that pd-ext doesn't load all the libs it comes with? the .plist it comes with contains 10 entries for loadlib, while in my tweaked prefs file for an earlier version, there are 36. Hm, not knowing my way around OS-X-Pd, but: This sound bad. This is just the same as else where. The prefs panel currently only shows 10 items. Isn't it possible on OS-X to tweak a preference file once and for all and use it with each new Pd version like the ~/.pdrc and ~/.pdsettings files are kept on Linux? Or asked in a different way: how do you make a new pd-extended use a personal plist? That is done by having a preference file (called org.puredata.pd.plist) in ~/Library/Preferences. To quote Hans [1]: Pd-extended.app/Contents/org.puredata.pd.default.plist This one comes with Pd-extended and sets the default preferences. If someone creates, ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.list, this one will be ignored. Pd-extended.app/Contents/org.puredata.pd.plist If this file is present inside of the Pd-extended.app, then that Pd- extended.app will use those preferences, and ignore any other, always. This is how it works in the Pd-extended-0.39.2 release and is intended, as i see it. That said there might be issues whit this exact feature in the nightly builds, which relates - directly i think- to what Robbert experience. See [2] aka bug report #1826701. [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detailaid=1818177group_id=55736atid=478073 [2] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detailaid=1826701group_id=55736atid=478070 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [declare] trouble
On 07/11/2007, at 22.41, Roman Haefeli wrote: did ANY OS X user ever manage to use the flag '-stdpath' for the object [declare] in order to add a directory from extra to pd's searchpathes? I (of cause) can awnser that question, but say that i can't make work. This is what i did for testing: Made a folder in extra called test. In that i made an abstraction called testing.pd which was just a wrapper around a [print]. Then i made a new test patch which as: [declare -stdpath extra/test] [testing] Saved that. An loaded it again. But [testing] couldn't create. That is surpricing since it's what the help file promise. But the odd things don't end here. I think. Check this out: $ pwd /Applications/Pd-0.40-2.app/Contents/Resources/extra $ ls -l | cut -c 1-10,47-89 total 192 -rw-r--r-- README.txt drwxr-xr-x bonk~ drwxr-xr-x choice -rw-r--r-- complex-mod~-help.pd -rw-r--r-- complex-mod~.pd -rw-r--r-- expr-help.pd lrwxr-xr-x expr.d_fat - expr~/expr.d_fat drwxr-xr-x expr~ lrwxr-xr-x expr~.d_fat - expr~/expr~.d_fat lrwxr-xr-x fexpr~.d_fat - expr~/fexpr~.d_fat drwxr-xr-x fiddle~ -rw-r--r-- hilbert~-help.pd -rw-r--r-- hilbert~.pd drwxr-xr-x loop~ drwxr-xr-x lrshift~ -rw-r--r-- makefile drwxr-xr-x pique -rw-r--r-- rev1-final.pd -rw-r--r-- rev1-stage.pd -rw-r--r-- rev1~-help.pd -rw-r--r-- rev1~.pd -rw-r--r-- rev2~-help.pd -rw-r--r-- rev2~.pd -rw-r--r-- rev3~-help.pd -rw-r--r-- rev3~.pd drwxr-xr-x sigmund~ drwxr-xr-x test i$ Then consider that my preference .plist is empty. Ie. it doesn't add the folder fiddle~ to the search path. The odd thing is then, that the [fiddle~] object creates just fine anyways. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Growing patch-window size (Was:Re: changing the look of Pd to be more readable)
On 07/11/2007, at 19.07, marius schebella wrote: you can start searching in 2002. Now i don't know if i repeat anyone from the past. I apologize beforehand. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If there isn't a bug report for this, please file one and I'll take a look when I get a chance. Maybe we can keep it on list for a few bits more. I made a patch to test the behavior. This is the test: 1) Note that the patch is 500x300 initially. Either by opening in a text editor or with 'head -1' or. 2) Open the attached patch. Click the [10( on one of the sides. 3) Note that the patch has grown to 504x304 Now the weird bit. 4) with out closing the patch, click the [10( again. 5) Note that it has _not_ grown to 508x308. 6) Close the patch 7) Reopen the patch 8) Click the [bang( 9) Note that it has now grown to 508x308 So it seams it grows 4px per run with a reload. More weirdness. Or observations. 10) Now try the above but clicking the [100( on either side. 11) Note that it still only increases by 4px. 12) Close and reopen the patch. 13) Just save it as you normally would. 14) Note that only one save increases the size 4px. 15) Note that using either the [until] method or the [delay] method doesn't make a difference. grow.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a patch closing itself
On 08/11/2007, at 3.24, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I removed the Close this Window? prompt in Pd-extended. (I suppose it would be better to make it a preference...) Therefore [; menuclose 0( in Pd-extended is the same as [; menuclose 1( in pd- vanilla. Ah. So it's the same behavior all over that set. I didn't realize. And menuclose default to 0. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [declare] trouble
On 08/11/2007, at 21.34, Roman Haefeli wrote: however, there seem to be a bug with '-stdpath' on os x. Does it work as you'd think on your system? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [declare] trouble
On 08/11/2007, at 17.45, Steffen Juul wrote:
On 08/11/2007, at 14.50, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Btw.: When doing this on Linux with a testpatch in /tmp/
funkytest.pd
my Pd searches for [unknown] give only /tmp/funkypathname/ as
possible
results with the funky pathname,
Here, on OS X, it looks for funkypathname in ${HOME}/Desktop. There
is no search in /tmp.
Dum bum. I must add a note. The test patch was located in ${HOME}/
Desktop. I tested other locations too. So its like -stdpath was doing
it's thing relative to the Pd path. Just as in your test.
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Re: [PD] Growing patch-window size (Was:Re: changing the look of Pd to be more readable)
On 09/11/2007, at 7.41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This is a very helpful illustration of the bug. I think that it's probably happening when opening the patch. That sounds reasonable. Maybe your new cursor position object can help answer that question. Could you add this info to the bug tracker, I believe there is already a bug report for this one, and I'll try to look at it tomororw. I submitted a new report, since i couldn't find a matching report already (despite people claims it's been there for ages). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mouse xy in relation to a square
On 13/11/2007, at 17.04, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: (...) [gcanvas] (...) [cursor] (...) or [grid] or [controller]. For the later see http:// lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd-extended in the press (Was:Re: [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.3-extended released!)
Cool! I didn't see it mentioned here yet. See http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/11/04/pd-maxs-free-cousin-gets- polish-and-ease-in-extended-build/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Documents on trapezoid~ ?
On 14/11/2007, at 16.40, PSPunch wrote: I am assuming it is documented in the Max/MSP manual. The latest I could find online was for version 4.5 and did not contain notes on trapezoid~ (and actually pong~ too...) Maybe you can find more info by searching http://maxobjects.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Documents on trapezoid~ ?
On 14/11/2007, at 17.41, Patrice Colet wrote: You could replace [!- 1] by [* -1]_[+ 1] ... this replacement is wrong, I've no clue how to do it with internal objects, you can get a working cyclone in the page I've posted. It would be great if you could describe in words what it does? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [!-] (Was:Re: Documents on trapezoid~ ?)
On 14/11/2007, at 18.40, PSPunch wrote: I believe [!-] is an equivalent to [- 1] | [* -1] Ahh. So it like a function f(x,a) = -x + a. Wrt mapping i think it make only sense if x is in (0,a). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tabread4~~
~~ What does appending a tilde mean? From the first post i thought is was just slang for 'this is really a tilde object that does it's thing right' as in underlining. After that the thread took a direction into discussion about time and space/ dimensions. Btw. Late (as in not younger) Wittgenstein says: Forget about this, Patrick, and do some patching. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD VideoPedia Project
On 05/01/2008, at 20.29, beau wrote: Where is the place to put links on puredata.info for user created tutorials? http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] netreceive standart
On 14/01/2008, at 14.25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i would like to get data via tcpip to pure data. the programm i use is zenon a automatisation applikation. I don't know what zenon is. But if you search the archive for (the secret keyword) FUDI you might find the info you need to solve you problem. A starter could be this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-06/039012.html any hints for tutorials If you write (or find) a tutorial please add a link to it in the http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials wiki page. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] netpd on pd-extended
On 15/01/2008, at 17.13, Enrique Erne wrote: the first problem i ran into was touch ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist emptied the plist but didn't remove it. so it didn't load zexy and maxlib, which is necessary for netpd to start and load the _chat.pd. removing the ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist manually did solve the issue. i guess when there is no org.puredata.pd.plist it takes the one inside the app. couldn't it be default anyway that it takes plist inside the app? See the last part of this email for more info on the plist story in Pd-extended: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-11/056118.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Introduction to GEM particles
On 15/01/2008, at 20.00, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is it ok if i add it to the tutorials-section at http://gem.iem.at? (as a matter of fact i already did add it, but of course would remove it if you don't feel like it should go there) And I hope it's ok to have added it to the tut section on puredata.info. Really, is it custom to ask permission to link to things on teh interweb? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I just made a beginner's PD tutorial and posted it...
On 16/01/2008, at 18.48, B. Bogart wrote: Perhaps it would be a site project, but more like a tutorial wiki with links to various tutorials in different forms (video and otherwise). I suppose that could just live on puredata.info as a main page. There is already http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials The more people add to it the better it will be. I think it has potential especially for its free form -- ie. links to third party sites with various content form (video/pdf/html/tar of interactive tutorials etc). The categorizing could use some work though, especially when/if more content is added. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x
On 28/01/2008, at 10.45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? Yes, if you run the executable from a CLI, fx. Terminal(.app). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x
On 28/01/2008, at 11.40, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 10.45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? Yes, if you run the executable from a CLI, fx. Terminal(.app). so i have to directly run the executable and _not_ the application. e.g. % open /Users/me/Desktop/Pd-0.41 will NOT work but, this will work: % /Users/me/Desktop/Pd-0.41/Contents/MacOS/Pd as well as % /Users/me/Desktop/Pd-0.41/Contents/Ressources/bin/pd correct? Well... it's kind of weird. And I'm no Mac expert. But to try to answer the question... Yes. Running % open /Applications/Pd-0.41-0 wont work. It will not open Pd at all. Yes. Running % open /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app twice wont start two instances of Pd. No. Running % /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd wont work. It starts the GUI but doesn't so called 'work right'. Yes. Running % /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app/Contents/Ressources/bin/ pd twice will start two instances of Pd. No. Those two are not equivalent. What i've done is, that i've made an alias i .profile that points to /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd. It respects some of the startup flags, but sadly not -open file.pd. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] paranoid pd
On 26/01/2008, at 12.22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not use Ctrl-Shift-w to close, and Ctrl-Shift-q? Bliss. I had no idea of that feature. FAQ material IMHO. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x
On 28/01/2008, at 13.07, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: Well... it's kind of weird. And I'm no Mac expert. But to try to answer the question... Yes. Running % open /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app twice wont start two instances of Pd. i guess i meant that (the one who has the problem just told me that he used open Ah. Well maybe open can do something, i don't know much about it. Basically it just open file/folders in the default app associated with the type. Like clicking icons. So one would normally run open somefile.extention. Apple has the manpage online: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/ man1/open.1.html What i've done is, that i've made an alias i .profile that points to /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd. It respects some of the startup flags, but sadly not -open file.pd. where do i put the .profile? i am really no expert here... In $HOME. As soon as you open Terminal you should feel somewhat at home. I think Terminal use BASH as the default shell. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] vline~ question
On 27/01/2008, at 2.58, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Kyle Klipowicz wrote: I think the question is, why have that book keeping available for vline~? Are there any practical uses for it? Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't be better to just accept a list like [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000, 0 2000( where it starts at 0, goes to 1 in 1000 seconds, then goes to .5 in 1000 seconds, then goes to 0 in 2000 seconds. Why even have the extra digit? i cannot follow you here at all. Kyle wants to, correct me if i'm wrong, translate [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000 1000, 0 2000 2000( | [vline~] into [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000, 0 2000( | [nothirdVline~] That is have the object do the delay bookkeeping. Or maybe this would to instead: [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000, 0 2000( | [vlineBookkeeper] | [vline~] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x
On 29/01/2008, at 9.11, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended interesting. any ideas why it does not work for steffen? I tried out Pd-0.41-0. Hans tried Pd-extended. Pd-0.41-0 is build by Miller. Pd-extended is build by Hans. While it's still on the same operation system, it's not the same build system. I think the differentness is in how the GUI and the core of Pd are tied to each other. I still haven't worked out how Miller builds on Mac OS X, i.e. makes a so called app bundle. It's not a matter of just running './ configure make make install' since the install makefile target doesn't make a app bundle. - In fact that operation is nowhere mentioned in the Makefile that ships with the src. I'm not saying this to just cough up shit. But to say that the way Pd- extended is build for Mac OS X might be more in the Mac way of doing things. That is that running /path/to/some.app/Contents/MacOS/ executable might even be the default or standard way of launching an application (on Mac OS X). But again i'm no Mac witch. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open
On 29/01/2008, at 17.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Who else will be there? I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) Lovely artwork. Especially the poster. Kind of the same ascetics as the covers of some of the records from Esel and Karaoke Kalk (which are (or were) Cologne based, iirc). Who did it? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open
On 29/01/2008, at 20.15, Andre Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 18:06 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) or: |presenter|| |cam || | || |_|| | | | | | | | | | | |screen video | |__| Yeah. Thats what i'm hoping too. Last year the web casting team said they had thought about it, but couldn't do it due to their limited budget. I have no idea how to suggest this idea to the 2008 team. I recall watching a videocast of Dafydd doing a talk on Pd at some canadian FLOSS meeting-conference-something. It was my impression it was a really good talk and presentation of Pd and what Pd could be used of. But sadly it was almost useless as i could se what was going on at the screen. Last years LAC wasn't too bad as the slides used were published as PDF and it was announce on IRC when there was a page change. Problem being that many presentations include things in the screen video that is not slides. This could fx. be a running Pd patch (as Miller did a lot at ICMC07). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about fiddle~
I can't find a online archive of the Music-IR list, but there was recently a post by Arturo Camacho about a New pitch estimator with link to a PhD dissertation: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho/publications/dissertation.pdf It might be of interest. (untested) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] edit prefs without Pd
On 08/02/2008, at 12.12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can i make pd visible again after I configured it in the startup flags with -nogui? You edit the preference without Pd, but another editor, depending on your OS. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit prefs without Pd
On 08/02/2008, at 12.46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/02/2008, at 12.12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can i make pd visible again after I configured it in the startup flags with -nogui? You edit the preference without Pd, but another editor, depending on your OS. Thanks but where can i do that What is your OS -- Windows, Linux, OS X? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] table feedback tutorial
On 08/02/2008, at 20.15, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: I wrote a tutorial Cool. Thanks for sharing. I've added it to http://puredata.info/docs/ tutorials/ - hope thats well ok. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fixes in 0.41?
On 12/02/2008, at 13.58, matteo sisti sette wrote: Are there any changelogs (is this the correct word) listing added features and especially bugfixes of each PD release? There are release notes in doc/1.manual/x5.htm. The bug/patch tracker holds some info, but are not complete either - not everything is listed there basically since Miller need not add to it but only pull from it, and not everything is guaranteed to be indexed/categorized right which means it's lost wrt. searching (like a misplaced book in the library). To get a complete list I'm afraid we are left we diff'ing the source. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] open with on os x
On 12/02/2008, at 23.27, marius schebella wrote: I also think different release versions which use the same pref file, like org.puredata.plist (in ~/Library/Preferences) will always switch to the newest version by default, therefore you cannot chose version 40-2 if there is also a version 40-3, 41.0. I've got the complete opposite behavior. So i guess that is not true. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] audio prefs messaging?
On 14/02/2008, at 1.29, potax flan wrote: is there a way to send a semicolon message to pd that tells the system to use a specific sound output device and number of output channels? Yes. But not an official supported way. it's not too hard to go to the menu and select it from there, but it'd be so handy this way. The Pd GUI and pd work by sending messages back and forth. You can listen to them by making a patch like [r pd] | [print pd-msg] Now open the audio pref., make your changes and see what's printed in the console. Something like 'audio-dialog 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 44100 50 0'. That is then the message you'd want to send to pd. Like [audio-dialog 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 44100 50 0( | [s pd] If you save the preferences (fx by sending [save-preferences( to pd) it will be stored in the preference file for next time you run Pd. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] bang.pdf?
On 14/02/2008, at 16.56, Javier Garcia wrote: is there any .pdf of the book bang for free? Yes, http://pd-graz.mur.at/label/book01/bangbook.pdf http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=book http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=bang ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] autobuilds using svn
On 16/02/2008, at 0.06, David Plans Casal wrote: On 15 Feb 2008, at 20:12, brandon zeeb wrote: By the way, how does one get Miller's Pd packaged into a application bundle? use packages/darwin_app, look at the Makefile, customise for your setup (pd path, etc) We must assume that Miller builds using the Makefile supplied, and not some other makefile (in this case the Pd-extended makefile). Any trick in this direction would be nice to have added to http:// puredata.info/docs/developer/MacOSXApp ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface wishlist
Idea: http://puredata.info/dev/GuiIdeas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GLSL (Gem) examples
On 24/02/2008, at 5.43, Vadim Smahtin wrote: Can i try anything else? http://pd-gem.cvs.sourceforge.net/pd-gem/Gem/examples/10.glsl/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Improved bug report: [expr] on Windows 2000 (XP non-professional)
On 01/03/2008, at 20.06, David F. Place wrote: Yesterday, I rather vaguely reported a bug I think it is better to add them to the bug tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=478070group_id=55736 best ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] audio from LAC2008 Pd meeting
On 03/03/2008, at 22.36, Frank Barknecht wrote: Also the recorded streams will be cut and edited a bit and then be available there as well as in the last years. But http://lac2008.khm.de/ ...? What we already have online is a set of pictures by an IMO amazingly talented KHM student, Niels Mlynek who managed to make us all look like trendy fashion models. Definitly check them out. For example I very much like the two of Miller here: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/?page_id=51 where the Pd patch in the background almost looks like speech ballons right out of Miller's mind: [pd think], great! I have been thinking almost the exact same, though not speech balls but something else about the settings. Really lovely pictures, indeed. Action packed and present. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A couple new list-abs
Allow me to chime in. I don't know if this is trivial from the list- abs or maybe comes as a special case in one of them. But here goes. [list-alter-idx] takes tree inputs 2) an idx or the list element key (counting from 0) 1) a list in which element number idx will be altered by 0) the new input, and returns the original list but with element number idx altered. Makes sense? See attached. It's whoever not robust as if idx is greater then list-length, it misbehaves. It depends on list-abs. It's inspired by RTC. list-alter-idx-help.pd Description: Binary data list-alter-idx.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] understanding vline~
On 07/03/2008, at 1.01, naysayer wrote: when you click on the rampup, jump down, ramp up again you don't actually get to see that in the example patch because it happens so quickly in the atom gui.(does anyone agree on that with me??). I do. Where as if you print the output of snapshot then you can see that it is working Better might be to display it in a graph. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM manual : 404 Not Found
On 07/03/2008, at 13.35, altern wrote: hi the GEM manual link at puredata.org and gem.iem.org does not work http://gem.iem.at/manual/ there is another link in http://puredata.info/docs/manuals enrike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] vbap define_loudspeakers messages
On 07/03/2008, at 20.05, Georg Holzmann wrote: Last year I did a workshop on this, you can find the files here: http://grh.mur.at/misc/PdSpatialization.tar.gz Great. Took the liberty of adding it to http://puredata.info/docs/ tutorials ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling netsend~/netreceive~ on intel mac
On 16/03/2008, at 13.52, Roman Haefeli wrote: i couldn't find anything about the license of those externals, though. netsend~.c and netreceive~.c says: /* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/ or*/ /* modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License */ /* as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 */ /* of the License, or (at your option) any later version. */ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Compiling netsend~/netreceive~ on intel mac
On 16/03/2008, at 0.38, Philip Rivera wrote: I've been trying to compile Olaf Matthews netsend~ and netreceive~ objects for pd for an intel mac. Has anyone had any success with this, or has binaries already compiled. What error do you get? I can compile netreceive~ fine. Only need to alter the DARWININCLUDE variable in the makefile to point to the Pd source code, if it doesn't already. Wrt. netsend~ i get the following error: cc -DPD -DUNIX -DMACOSX -O2 -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses - Wno-switch -I/My/Path/To/pd/src -Iinclude -o netsend~.o -c netsend~.c /var/tmp//cchTlZrk.s:597:no such instruction: `fctiw %st,%st' /var/tmp//cchTlZrk.s:598:no such instruction: `stfd %st,-32(%ebp)' make: *** [netsend~.pd_darwin] Error 1 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Box Muller Gaussian noise
Hey Andy, On 16/03/2008, at 23.12, Andy Farnell wrote: I just neatened that up into an abstration + help Thanks for wrapping it up. All vanilla I don't think [ln~] is vanilla. But [expr~ ln($v1)] could maybe do, as it's shipped with vanilla. Best, Steffen ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: Alternate Controllers
On 18/03/2008, at 3.29, Mike McGonagle wrote: I saw R Boulange (sp?) perform with a Radio Baton in the 90's, and was very interested in that, except that they went for somewhere around 4000$ Didn't Max Matthews publish the schematics? At icmc07 there was a guy demoing a vocal piece using the Radio Baton and iirc he said that they were bugging Max for a USB version. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Google SoC: call for mentors and project ideas
On 20/03/2008, at 18.52, Daniel Wilcox wrote: I'd like to see drag and drop of pd patches from an OS file browser onto pd to open them. I'm sure you'r concerned with a specific or any OS not just an OS, since it works on Mac OS X. Maybe it's work for the desktop manager not the OS? - Just thoughts. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] skull crossbone blob detection
Eyesweb [0] does some 16 point blob detection and tracking of (human, i guess) skeletons - or the human figure. It can output OSC messages. Does such tool exist as open source? Like in or for, say, GEM? [0] Webpage: http://musart.dist.unige.it/EywMain.html A demo: http://youtube.com/watch?v=J9sC7eb930o ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for old PC100/PC133 RAM donations
Have you scored some RAM already, Hans? On 25/03/2008, at 21.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i had always considered to write a couple of ebuilds and emerge pd just a s normal, but i didn't actyually learn to write them propertly yet .. but i reckon i can sort that out really ;) Then maybe you'll find http://pd-overlay.sf.net/ useful. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new pd-gem audio-video synth
On 25/03/2008, at 23.35, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That's quite nice. Simple yet engaging. yeah. nice idea. How did you make the lights turn on and off? Did you gather up pictures with each room's light on? it seams from the zip packages that one pic was taken with alot but not all rooms had light on. Then all those rooms with light on has a corresponding (hand made, i suppose) picture with the room cut out with the light off and the rest transparent. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] cheap AVR/HID sensor board
Neat lill' thing. On 27/03/2008, at 2.04, Derek Holzer wrote: The circuit diagram is pretty simple, if you can't etch it I think you could still build it in an afternoon. One would need to (purchase parts to and) build a programmer first, right? Also, i can't find locate the code/hex-file on the website (http:// 1010.co.uk/avrhid.html). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] cyclone
On 27/03/2008, at 21.45, marius schebella wrote: hi (hans), is there a problem with externals/miXed/shadow/cyclone? did you think about integrating this into pd-extended? I think it is a useful object. can you help me, what do I need to do to get it compiled within the pd-extended build system? For what i know there is some extra magic (that you request in another thread) witch is not there when build as one object-class per file as Pd-extended does is. But when build as a multi class lib in a single file, then it works. (cf. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/ index.php?func=detailaid=1645852group_id=55736atid=478073) So maybe it works if you give the shipped in makefile a bash? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] lowest common multiple of lots of periods
On 29/03/2008, at 10.22, Andy Farnell wrote: for a pair gcd by Euclid then lcm (a, b) = a/gcd(a, b) * b Dunno how you can extend this to a list lcm(a, b, c ...z) ?? Maybe using 'lcm(a,b,c) = lcm(lcm(a,b),c)' (which is true sine they share prime factors). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Another interface suggestion
On 01/04/2008, at 2.24, danomatika wrote: Another thing occurred to me as far as ui. When I'm editing subpatches I sometimes lose the window and have this habit of clicking on the subpatch object in the parent window and when nothing happens, I remember it's already open. I would be great if pd would bring that open window to the forefront as if it had been selected in the window list. Thats interesting. It behaves as you'd like on MacOSX. I made a wiki pages where we maybe could document those small cross platform differences: http://puredata.info/dev/GUIPlatformDifferences It kind of glue to the GUI Ideas wiki page: http://puredata.info/dev/ GuiIdeas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] FSR and velocity sensitive keyboards
Inspired by the (other) topic on force sensitive resisters: How is velocity sensitive keyboards made, do they use FSR's of some sort? I'm sorry if it's too off topic, but it could easily be Pd+Arduion/uC related. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building messages
On 15/04/2008, at 5.09, Ricardo Dueñas Parada wrote: I need to compose a OSC message like this: [/messagename xxx yyy ( where xxx and yyy are values from fiddle. And I need that one message is build and send everytime xxx or yyy changes. Like the attached maybe? buildingmsg.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?
On 24/04/2008, at 19.17, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: But, there is the potential confusion of [pow][pow~][**][**~], it would be nice if the signal version of maths behaved the same as the non-signal maths with the same name (confusing if [pow] exists but the signal equivalent is [**~]). Right. I think odd naming like **~, power~ and the like cause more harm then if the inlets are swapped, since they are harder to recall or guess for both current and new users. And to be frank, does it really matter if it's one way or the other? I mean, they are both hot. So it only a matter of what one would think is natural or the convention or how you'd normally use such function. I'm very sure i have a TI calculator floating somewhere where it is the cyclone/max way. So there is no right thing only preferences, and no trigger-particle issues, hence in that respect i can not see how it contradicts with current Pd tilde-class behavior. just my opinion. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?
On 25/04/2008, at 17.06, Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? no (the assumption in the above is not true). according to the reference manuals downloadable from C74's website [0], pow and pow~ are consistent with each other. Ie. left inlet sets the exponent and the right inlet and the argument sets the base. [0] http://www.cycling74.com/download/maxmsp463doc.zip ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?
On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?
On 25/04/2008, at 19.25, Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 18.34, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Fundamentally, [z~] is a *very* useful primitive to have I think, fundamentally z~ is just delread~/delwrite~ with a different way to specify delay times, slightly better performance because it doesn't allow many things delread~/delwrite~ can do, and no need to employ two objects. Or am I missing something? Maybe that your implementation uses an unsupported feature? I gotta point out that my intention was not to be rude, but rather to point out that if, and i may very well be wrong, z~ implementations need dynamic patching which is an unsupported feature then its not a robust solution hence not the best to add to a printed book. I'm sorry if i seamed rude, i just tried to be brief. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] List header (Was: Re: [PD-announce] Proof Me! PD FLOSS Manual)
On 07/05/2008, at 9.54, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: 4) Grammar/spelling, of course Miller refers to Pd rather than PD, shouldn't this canonical form be used? (which reminds me, that even the header of this list says [PD] :-|) Oh dear. Any chance of changing that (for all the iem-lists)? Please. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UI developer volunteering to help
On 03/05/2008, at 20.06, David Golightly wrote: So, I'm interested in starting with fixing some of the messy dialogs, then working toward getting a mouse-less edit mode. That sounds great. I especially like your focus on editing objects prefs. For the path/lib pref panel, the attached is what i got at when i stalled. - It's super messy and only trying to sketch an idea on how to actually do it while learning tcl/tk and getting into Pd src. This sketching need no edits to Pd source code but tries to black-box test first. Depending on the actual implementation one might need to patch s_path.c, hence recompile Pd to do a full test (as opposed to just swap main.tk). IOhannes recently got a patch for adding more path/ libs into Vanilla that gives more then 10 variables to work with in the Tcl side of Pd. A better fix would be to use another format (not assumed in my test) then pd_path0, pd_path1, ..., pd_pathN - like a 'pd_path' array. pref.test.tk Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] List header (Was: Re: [PD-announce] Proof Me! PD FLOSS Manual)
On 09/05/2008, at 11.27, Roman Haefeli wrote: changing the mail filters shouldn't be too hard ;-) And why filter list-mail by subject? I might miss an obvious reason, thats why i ask. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UI developer volunteering to help
On 10/05/2008, at 19.48, David Golightly wrote: Ok, after a busy week this is what I've been able to come up with for the Path dialog. Looking really good! The browse functionality is a fair idiom in a such GUI as oppose to entering text, i think. One comment: I have a beef with the functionality of the buttons. Not the Cancel one. The others. 'Apply' does something. 'Ok' does 'apply' plus 'cancel'. 'Save...' does 'Apply' plus saves. But it says the list is only gonna work from next time Pd is lunched, why i don't get the 'Apply' and 'Ok'. 'Ok' should do save and cancel. Thats all one wants, anit? I'm thinking about adapting this UI for the Startup dialog - shouldn't be hard to do - except instead of choosing directories you want to enter arbitrary text. I haven't checked your code but i suppose most proc's can be reused? I've set up some various key bindings so I want to make sure it seems usable for everyone. Nice. What are they? So far I've only tested this on Mac OS X OS X.4 here. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UI developer volunteering to help
On 11/05/2008, at 2.25, David Golightly wrote: So... what's the procedure for checking in to svn :)? (FWIW.) To make a patch and submit it to the patch-tracker as SF. Then a few things can happen (and some combinations): 1) Miller accepts it and it gets into vanilla section of SVN 2) Miller doesn't accept it and it doesn't get into vanilla 3) Hans subs the patch to SVN and use it for Pd-extended. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UI developer volunteering to help
On Sun, May 11, 2008 1:29 pm, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: - about the Apply button, I think it should only show up on platforms where it is a common thing. On Mac OS X, it should just be OK and Cancel. On Windows, there should be Apply. I think GNOME has moved away from Apply, but I don't know anything about KDE. KDE seam to have both Apply and OK (and Cancel). But i don't think the actual UI need be platform dependent. That is, i think it matters less then having multiple buttons with different names that hint much the same functionally but don't nessacarily supply that functionality. Apply, Ok and Save in this case - as explained earlier. One easy solution is to remove the Save button and add the save functionality to the Ok button. And then either remove also the Apply button or add the save functionality to that also. So where Save:= Saves changes to file ready for next startup of Pd Cancel:= Cancels i.e. quit the dialog we have: Case i: Cancel Apply:= Save Ok:= Apply + Cancel Case ii: Cancel Ok:= Save + Cancel That said, I'd like to underline that i think the improvements already done are much more impotent then this clearing of confusion of the UI. I shall rest my case now (or submit a patch). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] automated subpatch creation
On 12/05/2008, at 7.03, Joseph Barrows wrote: (...) is there a tute or some details on howto do this i can read up on and refer to while patching? See /trunk/doc/additional/pd-msg/ of the SVN repo at SF. Those tut/docs are also shipped with Pd-extended. Not that this so-called dynamic patching is doable but unsupported. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] List header (Was: Re: [PD-announce] Proof Me! PD FLOSS Manual)
On 12/05/2008, at 23.40, Frank Barknecht wrote: Maybe you want to change that as well while you're at it Good idea. - with an advance warning so I can adapt my filter in time. Alternatively you could make your filter look for list-id in 'List- ID: [phrase] list-id ' instead of (part of) phrase. Best ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testing on the nightly builds!
On 13/05/2008, at 20.09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: 1) at the moment if one modifies the preferences of i.e. vanilla pd the pd-extended looses all path and startup preferences (this is on osx i don't know about win or linux). i would like to propose that ~/Library/Preferences/ org.puredata.pd.plist will be completely ignored by pd-extended. instead only the org.puredata.pd.plist inside the pd-extended app should be used. this way one could have different working setups. what do you think? This resembles a feature request i made, cf. http://sourceforge.net/ tracker/index.php? func=detailaid=1818177group_id=55736atid=478073. (So I encourage this.) I think people want to save preferences for Pd-extended too. If there was such option in Pd-extended then people could do either of two to save preferences for Pd-extended: 1) Enable 'use internal preferences' and edit those. 2) Disable 'use internal preferences' and edit the normal preferences. It should properly be disabled as standard to suit most users need. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
