Re: [PD] [PD-announce] audiolab v-0.2 is on deken!

[Julian Brooks]

These are great fun, thank you.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 19:58, Philipp Schmalfuß <
philipp.schmalf...@uni-weimar.de> wrote:

> updated my "audiolab" abstraction library
>
> there are two more objects, "pp.twisted-delays2~" and "pp.spacer~"
> sorry for the stupid names.
>
> all best,
> Philipp
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Re: [PD] "hidden" console window

[Dan Wilcox]

It's clearly a bug.

Are you using more than 1 monitor? There is a window positioning problem with 
Tk on macOS when windows are saved on a second display, then reopened when 
there is a single display and they are now "off screen."

> On Nov 29, 2019, at 9:58 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: Simon Iten mailto:itensi...@gmail.com>>
> To: IOhannes m zmölnig mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>
> Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
> Subject: Re: [PD] "hidden" console window
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> ah sorry, forgot to mention. this is on OSX  10.14.6
> 
> i am not at my computer right now, will post a screenshot later.
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 08:40, IOhannes m zmölnig > > wrote:
>> 
>> Am 29. November 2019 08:24:09 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten > >:
>>> whenever i open PD i get a small vertical line in the top right corner
>>> of my screen which (once i maximize it by dragging with the mouse)
>>> turns out to be the PD console window. is that behaviour intentional?
>> 
>> could you post a screenshot?
>> which window-manager are you using?


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Patrick Pagano]

Also if you just need an quick fancy scope in pd check out Malinette   Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Berenger RecoulesSent: Friday, November 29, 2019 2:03 PMTo: henry birdseye; Pd-ListSubject: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were probably created with pd-extended back then.If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla distribution and because they use objects from community contributed libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken : https://puredata.info/docs/Deken You probably should have a look here : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.phpThere are pd patches to do what you want : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.phpThey advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/ For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.  Have fun ! Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye  a écrit :Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. "Cannot create osc~", really? On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:  http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote: Hello PD List.. noob here.I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector display, and have a couple questions.1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular synthesizer now.The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.Thanks, list.Henry___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://b2renger.github.io/http://berengerrecoules.wordpress.com/ 



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Patrick Pagano]

There is also a really great scope system made in Gem that works very well as I recallscope~ is in cyclone Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Berenger RecoulesSent: Friday, November 29, 2019 2:03 PMTo: henry birdseye; Pd-ListSubject: Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were probably created with pd-extended back then.If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla distribution and because they use objects from community contributed libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken : https://puredata.info/docs/Deken You probably should have a look here : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.phpThere are pd patches to do what you want : https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.phpThey advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/ For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.  Have fun ! Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye  a écrit :Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. "Cannot create osc~", really? On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:  http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote: Hello PD List... noob here.I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector display, and have a couple questions.1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular synthesizer now.The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.Thanks, list.Henry___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://b2renger.github.io/http://berengerrecoules.wordpress.com/ 



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Berenger Recoules]

That's probably normal.  If you run Vanilla many "old" patches were
probably created with pd-extended back then.
If objects are missing that is because they are not available in vanilla
distribution and because they use objects from community contributed
libraries. If you want to look for them you can use deken :
https://puredata.info/docs/Deken

You probably should have a look here :
https://oscilloscopemusic.com/software.php
There are pd patches to do what you want :
https://oscilloscopemusic.com/puredata.php
They advise to use purr-data : https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/

For the audio software routing Jack is indeed great.


Have fun !

Le ven. 29 nov. 2019 à 16:35, henry birdseye  a
écrit :

> Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken.
> "Cannot create osc~", really?
>
>
> On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:
>
> try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
>
> also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?
>
> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
>
> Hello PD List... noob here.
>
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a
> vector display, and have a couple questions.
>
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
>
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for
> recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my
> modular synthesizer now.
>
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
>
> Thanks, list.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] data structures for display only, not interaction

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em sex., 29 de nov. de 2019 às 06:01, João Pais 
escreveu:

> Miller already introduced some options to switch off interaction in edit
> and run modes.
>
HELL YEAH :D

thanks ;) next time I'll RTFM!

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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em sex., 29 de nov. de 2019 às 10:34, Simon Iten 
escreveu:

> try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html
>
> also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?
>

it's from cyclone, btw



>
> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
>
> Hello PD List... noob here.
>
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a
> vector display, and have a couple questions.
>
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
>
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for
> recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my
> modular synthesizer now.
>
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
>
> Thanks, list.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 16:19:59 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
:
>Sweet. I have not been able to get squat out of GEM.


what's a "squat"?


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[PD] current versions and resources only

[henry birdseye]

Alrighty, let me ask where are the most current and recommended release 
versions? Links, please. Let's uninstall all the potentially ancient 
versions are, and start from scratch.


I am a Windows 64-bit guy, so Linux and source code files are useless to me.

Thanks in anticip.

H





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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 176, Issue 61

[bbob]

Derek Holzer has been doing yeoman's work in that area, check his book
"Vector Synthesis: A Media Archaeological Investigation into
Sound-Modulated Light", and his patch libraries here:
http://macumbista.net/?page_id=4985 ,
https://github.com/macumbista/vectorsynthesis



> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:56:34 -0500
> From: henry birdseye 
> To: Pd-List 
> Subject: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hello PD List... noob here.
>
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a
> vector display, and have a couple questions.
>
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display
> my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a
> good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects
> to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
>
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for
> recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record
> my modular synthesizer now.
>
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
>
> Thanks, list.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Wow, I ran Vanilla, and most of the .pd's I load are severely broken. 
"Cannot create osc~", really?



On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

Henry




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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

I'll look into JACK. Does it still not work on 64-bit? So few of the 
sites I've cruised have included the date, so I'm sure sure how far back 
ancient these links go.




On 11/29/2019 8:49 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:

Hi,

On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to
You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen 
apps.


I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
(note: Fridays are strike days)
I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.

I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as 
.wav files
You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] 
to write WAV files from Pd.



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Sweet. I have not been able to get squat out of GEM.

On 11/29/2019 9:27 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

Am 29. November 2019 15:15:55 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
:

an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

Gem has a `[scopeXYZ~]`.

iirc, it's working for me.


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

unfortunately we are both wrong...

it depends on the  technology. IPS or TN

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 15:36 Roman Haefeli  wrote:

> On Fri, 2019-11-29 at 15:29 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten <
> > itensi...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen <
> > > > cla...@mathr.co.uk>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> > > > https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> > > > (note: Fridays are strike days)
> > >
> > > then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
> > > save so much more energy….
> >
> > are you still using a CRT?
>
> He's probably already using OLED...
>
> Roman
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2019-11-29 at 15:29 +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten <
> itensi...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > 
> > > On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen <
> > > cla...@mathr.co.uk>
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> > > https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> > > (note: Fridays are strike days)
> > 
> > then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
> > save so much more energy….
> 
> are you still using a CRT?

He's probably already using OLED...

Roman


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Re: [PD] Symbol delay

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 14:58:18 MEZ schrieb ro...@dds.nl:
>@oliver
>
>no attachment in my Pd-list digest
>

then you might want to check the list archives.


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 14:56:25 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten :
>
>
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
>> https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
>> (note: Fridays are strike days)
>then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will
>save so much more energy….

are you still using a CRT?


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 29. November 2019 15:15:55 MEZ schrieb henry birdseye 
:
>an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

Gem has a `[scopeXYZ~]`.

iirc, it's working for me.


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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

an "xy-scope~ would be nice.

On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

This drives me nuts: so many conflicting and very ancient pages for PD 
that I haven't caught yet caught on to what's the latest greatest.


On 11/29/2019 8:31 AM, Simon Iten wrote:

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye > wrote:


Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to 
display my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so 
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't 
working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to 
record my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

Henry




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Re: [PD] Symbol delay

[rolfm]

@oliver

no attachment in my Pd-list digest

rolf



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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:49, Claude Heiland-Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
>> what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ 
>> objects to
> You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen apps.
> 
> I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
> https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
> (note: Fridays are strike days)
then at least make the backround of the strikepage black, that will save so 
much more energy….
> I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.
> 
>> I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as .wav 
>> files
> You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] to 
> write WAV files from Pd.
> 
> 
> Claude
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Hi,

On 29/11/2019 12:56, henry birdseye wrote:
what's a good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those 
dac~ objects to

You can use JACK Audio Connection Kit to route audio signals betweeen apps.

I wrote a very simple XY oscilloscope using JACK and OpenGL:
https://mathr.co.uk/exwhyscope
(note: Fridays are strike days)
I only tested it on Linux, may need some adjustments for other OS.

I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording as 
.wav files
You can either investigate if Reaper supports JACK, or use [writesf~] to 
write WAV files from Pd.



Claude
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Re: [PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[Simon Iten]

try PD (vanilla), pd-extended is seriously outdated:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.html 

also, there is a scope~ object in PD, maybe that already suits your needs?

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 13:56, henry birdseye  wrote:
> 
> Hello PD List... noob here.
> 
> I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a vector 
> display, and have a couple questions.
> 
> 1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display my 
> patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a good 
> vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects to. Can 
> this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?
> 
> 2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for recording 
> as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record my modular 
> synthesizer now.
> 
> The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.
> 
> Thanks, list.
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[PD] pd for oscilloscopes

[henry birdseye]

Hello PD List... noob here.

I intend to use pd-extended to generate waveforms that look nice on a 
vector display, and have a couple questions.


1) I'd like to see what I'm doing, so I'm looking for a way to display 
my patterns without having to use a physical oscilloscope, so what's a 
good vector oscilloscope app that I can somehow route those dac~ objects 
to. Can this be a GEM thing, which so far just isn't working for me?


2) And/Or I'd like to get my audio output into my DAW, Reaper, for 
recording as .wav files. Has anyone done this? I use a MOTU828 to record 
my modular synthesizer now.


The work of Jerobeam Fenderson is what's inspiring me now.

Thanks, list.

Henry




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Re: [PD] "hidden" console window

[Simon Iten]

ok, so first of all it is the top left corner, silly me.
second, it turns out it does not happen on every start, since i can’t reproduce 
right now for the screenshot :-)


> On 29 Nov 2019, at 08:53, Simon Iten  wrote:
> 
> ah sorry, forgot to mention. this is on OSX  10.14.6
> 
> i am not at my computer right now, will post a screenshot later.
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 08:40, IOhannes m zmölnig  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 29. November 2019 08:24:09 MEZ schrieb Simon Iten :
>>> whenever i open PD i get a small vertical line in the top right corner
>>> of my screen which (once i maximize it by dragging with the mouse)
>>> turns out to be the PD console window. is that behaviour intentional?
>> 
>> could you post a screenshot?
>> which window-manager are you using?
>> 
>> 
>> mfg.hft.fsl
>> IOhannes
>> 
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Re: [PD] data structures for display only, not interaction

[João Pais]

I think Miller already introduced some options to switch off interaction 
in edit and run modes. Check the documentation of the latest Pd version 
(I can't do it now). Besides that, get and set are the way to go.


Am 29.11.2019 um 06:57 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres:
so, I have a data structure based GUI object, and say I just want it 
to display things and not really interact with it by clicking the data 
structures around, is it possible? Sorry if this is a stupid question, 
I just want to be sure.


So, say I have some shapes (for instance, a polygon) that can be 
controlled by messages and change something like its size. Now, 
because of that, if I go over the graph on parent and click on the 
corner of the polygon, I can drag and change the shape. Now, what if I 
want to prevent that from happening? Hints for tricks and hacks?


What I'm doing so far is I'm getting the values of these parameters 
with [get] and reset the value if they change with [set]. it seems to 
be doing the trick, but maybe there are other ways of doing this?


And maybe, just maybe, perhaps we could include an option, a flag, 
that an object is only for display? hmm? what you think?


cheers

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