Re: Wide angle comparisons (Canon to Pentax)
I really cannot help here, but if you want your friend to buy Pentax (are you prepared to share your lenses with him?), I think the best way is to show the differences between flare control. There are only 2 choices - SMC and T*. You know which he would choose. 8-) regards, Alan Chan A friend of mine is looking to buy a new camera after his ex-wife won custody after the divorce. The sad news is that he is looking at a Canon. The good news is that he is not yet sold. He is looking at the Canon EOS-30 and the 20-35 f3.5-4.5. I have the Pentax FA 20-35 f4 lens and love it, but I can't give him any honest comparison between the Canon and the Pentax. According to Photodo they are very close in terms of sharpness, but as most of us know that is not all there is to how a lens takes a picture (with the camera's help of course). Does anyone have any experiences with these lenses that they can relay to me? I would like to see him with an MZ-3 and FA20-35, but that will be up to him. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Hi Mafud, Personally, I have no problem with cropping, but it is pretty easy to see the majority of the pics in the PUG that have been cropped--simply because of the 'not full frame' proportions. However, If the cropper stuck to the same ratio of length to height for full frame, I wouldn't be able to spot it, and I doubt anyone else would be able to either. As far as zooms go, I don't have any because being able to zoom back forth in the viewfinder seems to add another layer of complexity for me that I don't want and don't want to deal with. That may change, I don't know. If good quality glass is used, however, I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference between images viewed on the web. Something I try to keep in mind, when listening to someone speak of something they love to do and feel strongly about, is that their comments are as likely to come from the heart as from the head. It's passion, and when its going in the right direction, it's what makes us glad to be alive and willing to put up with the sacrifices we make inorder to do what we love. We'd all be a lot better off looking for the commonality of our mutual obsession, than focusing on the differences in the ways we have come to pursue it. When I'm walking around, camera in hand, looking for the kinds of things I like to shoot, my aim is to take each step as 'rightly' and sincerely as I can. That said, I have no problems using *all* the tools in my toolbox in pursuit of my final image, and enjoying the process every step of the way. I also find no fault in those who have chosen to limit themselves to a smaller set of tools, or tools of a different sort. Ultimately, we all walk alone and each of us is obligated to pick our own path. We ought to enjoy what company we chance to get, when we get it, along the way. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill, I was trying to quench a growing fire, this "zooms as inferior photographic tools" thread abuilding in our midst. But the question[s] still stand: 1) can ~anyone~ tell (with any great degree of accuracy)** and without looking at the captions, which of the March 2001 PUG entries were made with primes Vs. zoom lenses? **(What would be a good score: 60%)? 2) Which of the print submissions were "cropped?" Mafud __ In a message dated 3/4/2001 9:30:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Mafud Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step) In a message dated 3/4/2001 1:41:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the zoom lens, in the hands of an experienced photographer is a powerful tool, What has this turned into, a "bash the zoom owners" forum? Does it sound like it to you? Unless that is, there is a situational ethic brewing... Not unless you want one. G Har William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Recently Pentax Clover wrote: I do not know if it is because of my bad practice of english, but it seems that nobody understood what I am explaining Yes, yes, we did understand it. You have one lnes (FA*85), and read in a magazine that it is better than all others. But there are people on this list who have the FA* and the A*, and have used both, and like the A* better (that's not just one person, but 5 or 6). Then there is one list member who has owned ALL 85 lenses from Pentax at the same time, and has tested them at the same time. You can see the results on the lens gallery: http://www.phred.org/pentax/ Last, people tell you not to believe too much in CdI. I've never seen it, but there have been reports that the CdI is not the most reliable of them all. Let this not discourage you, but please refrain from absolute comments like "A is the very best". If A costs $400, B costs $200, and I have only $200, then FOR ME, B is certainly better than A. Cheers, Boz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Help: Underwater Kinetics hard cases
Hi Team, I am trying to secure some black Underwater Kinetics 716 cases, I have tried to contact Root International (see http://rootintl.com/html/kineticscases.html) however they have not responded since 19th Feb. I am quite keen on these cases in particular as they are just under the limit for the worst case aircraft hand luggage regulations plus all my other cases are UK. I am not interested in Doskosil or Pelican. UK are distributed locally however this is the only model that they don't bring in :-( So if any PDMLers know of a contact who may be able to ship some "downunder" for a reasonable cost please let me know. Just to keep it on topic, yes they will end up containing Pentax gear :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio) PO Box 701 HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481 AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please check my current eBay auctions: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/ebay/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: More on cropping (Was: An important step)
Hi, I'm only aware of one photo from over 70 years of photography and many, many thousands of photographs that HCB cropped, which is the 'Railowsky' man jumping a puddle. He doesn't allow his printer to crop them and his prints are sent out with specific instructions to editors not to crop them. If anybody has other examples of his allegedly cropped photos perhaps they could cite some specific examples. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, March 05, 2001, 2:59:52 AM, you wrote: I heard he said he never crops. I also have heard that he does not do his own printing. So his statement is probably true he never crops his pictures, his printer does though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Like I said before: HCB cropped. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
New guy on list with question
Hello everybody from Mark W. in Silverton, OR. USA I got a question and a need I have bought a Pentax angle finder of about the spotmatic generation it works great but I can't figure out the focus? My eyes seem to compensate for where ever I turn it. If any body on the list knows of a site with the manual for this finder or would have one and could send me a scan I would be eternally grateful and you could have my first born (by the way he's 16 and wants to drive LOL)
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except (kinda long)
Alan Chan wrote: Glad to know that I am not alone on the list. As a chinese who have the chance to read both English and Japanese magazines, I have found the printed photos were very different. In Japanese photo magazines, there is always the "smoothness" quality which is rare in US and UK magazines. I think that's when I started to notice the difference and refined "quality". Especially the one called "Photo Technic". On the Leica lists they are, of course, extolling the virtues of Leica lenses, and talk of their superior imaging quality. Yet, if one were to look at certain lens tests, some Pentax lenses outshine some Leica lenses. But those are just tests, and the final photograph is made up of a variety of factors. Resolution, sharpness, contrast, light fall off, bokeh, and other characteristics all contribute to what the final photograph will look like, as will the film used, how it's exposed, the developer and developing technique used, and so on, all the way through the enlarging and printing process, or the projection process if one is using slides. So, when one reads the results of a lens test, might it not be a prudent idea to find look into what the entire process involved and what materials were used to obtain the final result, and then see how that compares with your use, needs, and expectations? It's also my understanding that some lens tests are just done on a machine of some sort, and camera, film, or prints are actually made. If that's the case, what meaning do those tests have to any real world photographic experience? Yet people read those results and, if the numbers look good, it's concluded that this lens is best, or that another lens is of poorer quality. I take pictures of people. I want to know if the lens i choose is going to give me the results I want, which may, however, be different than the results someone else wants, even though we may be shooting the same subject matter, and, perhaps, even the same subject. For example, there is the often debated issue of lenses used for portraits. Some say a lens can be too sharp for portraits, and prefer "softer" optics. Others prefer a lens with less resolving power and which hides or softens certain details. Which is the better lens for a portrait - the sharp one or the soft one? And does someone like Mark Cassino, who takes close up shots of insects give a fig about the qualities of a given lens for portraits when he wants to use it for close ups? The good photographer will understand what he or she wants as a final result, and choose an appropriate lens, or the one that can best do the job required. Some of us on this list are fortunate to have a wide variety of lenses, often several of a particular focal length. So, while an A*85/1.4 may offer superb sharpness and contrast, and wonderful bokeh, this photographer may opt for a different 85mm lens for a particular shot, one that offers different characteristics, and which may be, according to some test results, optically inferior, yet which will be a better choice for the subject and situation. When shooting BW I am not concerned with how warm or cool the color rendition of a lens is. When shooting certain subjects at a certain distance I may be more concerned with bokeh than with sharpness, while when shooting even the same subject, but from a different perspective, sharpness may be more important than other characteristics. I recall an article I read about a year ago in which the contrast of a certain view camera lens was discussed. Photos were used to exemplify the article. It turned out that this particular lens was an older one, perhaps not well coated, or of an older optical design. When used with a particular film the photograph looked flat and washed out, but when used with a different film the photo was vibrant and alive, with nicely saturated colors and decent contrast. The photographer liked that old inferior lens because it allowed certain results, results that he could not get with newer, better quality optics. So, let's not put so much importance on lens tests. Let's pay more attention to what the final photo looks like, and if it satisfies the shooter. --- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Website Update
Great photographs Mark. Really impressive. Although I really admired yor macro work this was the one that caught my attention http://www.markcassino.com/01010702pandora_e1.jpg Really cool. I noticed that your scans look clear and crisp. Would you care to share a little of your technique in digital scanning/preparation? Thanks, Herbet. --- Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just updated my website with 100 new insect macros from last summer (I'm a bit behind in my scanning.) Comments and feedback are always welcome - the URL is: http://www.markcassino.com Click on "New Photos" and follow the links into the index pages. _ MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Website Update
Mark, Nice macro shots, you are the standard by which all others should be judged. Excellent work! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Website Update I just updated my website with 100 new insect macros from last summer (I'm a bit behind in my scanning.) Comments and feedback are always welcome - the URL is: http://www.markcassino.com Click on "New Photos" and follow the links into the index pages. _ MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Back to Pentaxia with questions....
dosk wrote: Can't decide yet between buying a brand new ZX5n or a used "excellent" PZ1. Both are about the same price... 5n seems to be winning as I don't need the extra zoom features the PZ1 has, and its hyper modes with the fancy wheels don't really do anything that the 5n can't do (in other slower ways) when you come right down to it. The 5n also has a wider flash field, easier basic controls, and hot damn it doesn't look like a bath tub toy either. (I know, I know, I'm a trouble maker...) And another big advantage, to my way of thinking, is the 5n's AA battery pack. Well, how are you liking the MZ-M? If you're happy and comfortable with the control set, the MZ-5n is probably the right choice. Plus, that battery pack will fit on your MZ-M as well, so you've got a perfect second camera. No mental adjustment when switching from one camera to the next, because they're the same. Personally, I'd pick the MZ-5n over the PZ-1p because of the controls and the size. ...or you could save your pennies and buy an MZ-S later. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Update Re: What you shootin' this weekend?
bc wrote: Three rolls of 3200 Delta in DD-X, and the negatives look good. I have a question for DD-X regulars. Actually, questions. Have you found any films that it is unfriendly with? I mean that no matter what you do you can't get a particularly good result out of it? What films do you find it best with, and what do you usually run through it? Has anyone tried it in a Jobo? While I'm happy with Studional for our production here, I'm always keeping my eyes peeled for new stuff that has the potential to be better, plus our customer base appear to be favoring the Ilford Delta films right now. However, if I move to something different, it has to be a great developer for a wide variety of films. I'll probably pick a slow week this summer and fool around with it, but I'd like to gather as much info as I can before I start messing around. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Nikon Fun Lenses
Hi Team, It seems this set of Nikon lenses were designed as rivals to the Pentax Limited series, what do you think? http://www.ave.nikon.co.jp/nti/nti_e/index.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio) PO Box 701 HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481 AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please check my current eBay auctions: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/ebay/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What you shootin' this weekend?
Kids and flowers in a light rain. Evan Dan Scott wrote: Hi All, Subject says it all. What passes for winter here is on the run and the weeds/wildflowers are starting to get in a reproductive mood. :-) I've got some Supra, Superia, my fa 100/2.8, fa 35/2, my tripod, some ziplock baggies, and I intend to shoot any of those weeds I can sneak up on. Ok, so what are y'all shooting this weekend? Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Wide angle comparisons (Canon to Pentax)
Alan Chan wrote: I really cannot help here, but if you want your friend to buy Pentax (are you prepared to share your lenses with him?), I think the best way is to show the differences between flare control. There are only 2 choices - SMC and T*. You know which he would choose. 8-) Yeah, I'd go for the SMC and the smaller, lighter MZ-3, especially since it has a control set that, while more simple, makes a helluva lot more sense while operating the camera than any of the Canons I've played with. Admittedly, the only Canons I've had close relations with were an Elan IIe that belonged to my friend Jim (at his wedding I shot with multiple bodies loaded with different films, one of them being his Elan...which, while not awful, was pretty awkward to use on manual) and an A2 that one of my former co-workers went out and bought despite my evangelizing (though he did buy a Mac), and a couple of those dead-awful Rebels that we had when I was at Sterling. Get your friend to test drive both an MZ-3 (or 5n) and whatever Canon body he's looking at in a shop or two shops if you can't find both at the same place. If that doesn't sell him, he won't appreciate the joy of Pentax. :) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: More on cropping (Was: An important step)
Mafud wrote: What I do remember is he was in no way obsessed with a scene as Ansel Adams, whose own dragon was Yellowstone Dear me. Yosemite, my friend, Yosemite, not Yellowstone! (Ansel is spinning in his grave about now g). --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photo shooting in Iceland
Philippe Trottier wrote: Hello, I'd need someone that would like to make some photo of a girl in Iceland, a freind of mine. I would do them but I can't travel up there. at this very moment. Are you paying for airfare from Toronto to Iceland? I could use a holiday. :) -Aaron p.s. I'll even pay for the film! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fish eye lens
The coverage angle stated for the 17mm f/4 (180) is measured across the diagonal of the frame. Your finding of 110 is correct for measuring across the frame. Asahi presumably gave the 180 rating as a way of exaggerating (with qualifiers) the angle of view. I have no suggestion for a wider lens though I am sure they exist Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Cyril MARION [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fish eye lens Hello happy Pentax users, I joined you just some minutes ago and already have a question . I'm looking for a fish-eye to use on my SUPER A. Recently I tried a 17mm f/4.0 fish-eye M type and found that it does not cover the presumed HFVO of 180, just something arround 110/120. I need to know if it's normal. Additionally, what would be the price for such a 2nd hand lens ? Thanks for your time, Regards, C.MARION - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Spotmatic Weekend Woes
I spent this weekend in taking pictures of my children and flowers. Everything was going wonderfully when I fired the shutter on my spotmatic and I quickly noticed the mirror had locked up. Now I have had problems in the past with the mirror locking up at very slow shutter speeds but it always came unstuck after I fired it off again. Well this time it locked up at 1/500 and will not come undone. I guess it's time for a CLA along with the repair any idea on how much I can count on spending? Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Have got a new LX !!
Hi Yoshihiko, # It seems most LX owners in Japan rushed into the # new screens. I did!!g Just waiting for the reply from a shop. They told me about a month!! Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Back to Pentaxia with questions....
So what then is the body of a PZ1 made of? (It sure looks like plastic to me in its pictures, no?) Also, the MZ/ZX bodies are not a light "plastic", but some kind of heavy polycarbonate fusion material. Having owned older metal cameras, (such as the tank-like 1970's Canon TX,) I believe an MZ/ZX would survive knocks, or even a fall, with much more safety! IMO where metal severly jolts the insides of a camera upon impact, the polycarbonate stuff would absorb better the vibrations of this very same impact! (I do not think one should assume that older and heavier metal bodies are always better. It really depends upon the individual camera, and how well it's put together...) And as for durability, well, a ZX5n sure as hell ain't gonna' wear out in my lifetime. (My kids can buy their own damn cameras. Probably will too. Digital...) And a PZ1 has a lot more little buttons and intricate features to it; which means more stuff to have possible trouble with later on, yes? The "bigger and heavier" part of the PZ1 interests me though; it might be easier to hold onto and maneuver than a ZX? Skip I am very concern about the quality rather than quantity. When I bought the Z-1p, I compared the MZ-5n as well. IMHO, the built quality of MZ-5n is no match to the Z-1p. Not to mention that all MZ/ZX bodies were made of plastic (even the mounts are metal). I reckon the Z-1 share the same chassis so I would prefer the Z-1. However, it is significantly bigger than the MZ-5n. regards, Alan Chan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
First Look at MZ-S
The following is from my brother who works in a high end photography store in the San Fancisco Bay area. Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 23:12:21 -0800 From: "William D. Graham" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S To: Ricahrd Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Hi Dick, Our Pentax rep brought an MZ-S in last week. The one thing that overshadows all else about the camera is it's price. With a street price of $850 to $900, it will not sell very well. We figure, based on fell and features, it should be priced at about $600. The interface is cumbersome. Focus point sellection is very cumbersome. The top left dial, which controls exposure compensation and auto bracketing, is not designed so you can move the inner auto bracketing dial very well. The little ribs are too small and the dial's detents are too difficult to overcome. However, the general idea of it is good. The outer ring on the right hand dial controls the exposure modes. This is much like the old Maxxum 9000's exposure mode dial. But unlike the Minolta where you just turned the ring to select the exposure mode; with the MZ-S you need to push a button on the front of the camera and turn the dial to get away from the program mode. You then need to push the button again and turn the dial to get back to the program mode. This also is a bit cumbersome. And they seem to have abandoned the Hyperprogram mode. This was one of the PZ-1n's best features. But more important than any of the above, dispite it's magnesium construction, it feels cheap. I fear that Pentax has dropped the ball on this one. We'll see. If the price gets down around $500 to $600 it may succeed. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Pentax clover wrote: PC I am very surprise that many members of PDML consider that tests of Chasseur PC d'Images is not are inreliable ! Just watch closely the relationship between advertising volume and the test results... it's unfortunate as I like otherwise ChdI. PC ... PC The store nearby my home gonna sell a 85mm f/:1.4 A (second hand) for a PC cheap price (1600F). Tres bien, je vous offre 2000FF pour celui la! Nice profit, eh? and I'm sure other list members will double the stake. ;o) Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Nikon Fun Lenses
Hi all, Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, It seems this set of Nikon lenses were designed as rivals to the Pentax Limited series, what do you think? http://www.ave.nikon.co.jp/nti/nti_e/index.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio) They'll also have a "Pentax killer" camera. See the following; http://www.genyosha.com/JCTN/JCTNissues/JCTN-2001-04/J200104-products/J0104-Nikon.htm Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: March Comments #1
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: " Whooosh! " by Bill Peifer, USA Now that looks like some fun. Yes indeed! Thanks for the kind words. Actually, this is from one of the first couple of rolls I shot through my MZ-50, from almost three years ago. As a consequence of making this one a PUG submission, I got a good lesson from Chris B. about how important very small angles can be in composing a shot (this one needs about a one-degree rotation to get the horizontal elements to be horizontal), a demonstration of how good the color balance is on prints from Kodak Ektapress -- and a reminder that I'm going to have to buy some more of those rocket motors when the weather warms ups! Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: eBay ME Super
On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:24:53 -0600, Todd Stanley wrote: Looks like you got a good deal. I should get one of those, but I'd rather have an MX :) No, Todd, you need an LX. Everyone needs the LX. Repeat after me: I will buy an LX...I WILL buy an LX...I MUST buy an LX...I MUST buy a Mac and an LX... -Aaron the amazing internet enabling hypnotist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What you shootin' this weekend?
I shot: - macro close-ups of 1968 factory prototype Hot Wheels for my upcoming Toy Shop column, - undercarriage shots of my Jeep following extensive modification for off-road use, - outdoor shots of the Jeep, off-road, - photos of my kids playing, - trains. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: bc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What you shootin' this weekend? On 3 Mar 2001, at 1:38, Dan Scott wrote: Hi All, Subject says it all. What passes for winter here is on the run and the weeds/wildflowers are starting to get in a reproductive mood. :-) I've got some Supra, Superia, my fa 100/2.8, fa 35/2, my tripod, some ziplock baggies, and I intend to shoot any of those weeds I can sneak up on. Ok, so what are y'all shooting this weekend? Well, here goes: 1) Rehearsal / promos for a local high school's play this morning 2) Actors headshots this afternoon 3) hopefully LOTS of juicy blackmail shots at a party this evening, 4) Depending on the condition of my head, maybe a "theraputic morning/afternoon in the woods" Sunday 5) Dress Rehearsal/ Promo shots for another local theater Sunday Evening Brian (no time to breathe - but loving it) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Update Re: What you shootin' this weekend?
On 5 Mar 2001, at 8:15, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Have you found any films that it is unfriendly with? I mean that no matter what you do you can't get a particularly good result out of it? What films do you find it best with, and what do you usually run through it? The only films I've tried it with is the Delta 3200, and it seems to produce some good negs, I use either Perceptol or ID-11 for just about everything else. Brian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Update Re: What you shootin' this weekend?
Aaron Reynolds wrote: bc wrote: Three rolls of 3200 Delta in DD-X, and the negatives look good. I have a question for DD-X regulars. Actually, questions. Have you found any films that it is unfriendly with? I mean that no matter what you do you can't get a particularly good result out of it? What films do you find it best with, and what do you usually run through it? Has anyone tried it in a Jobo? You know it's basically liquid Microphen, right? tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Nikon Fun Lenses
I don't think so. From the site: " Note: This lens has no aperture control function -- be sure to set the camera's exposure mode to manual or aperture-priority auto. Also, the lens construction differs from that of Nikkor lenses and in certain shooting situations it may not be as well suited for shooting finer images. The built-in exposure meter of cameras equipped with a CPU coupling mechanism, such as the F-401, F50, F60, F65, F80, PRONEA 600i, and PRONEA S, are not compatible." "...not ... well suited for shooting finer images." I think is the exact opposite to the limited range. Also, no aperture control? What's up with that? Andy -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 5, 2001 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:OT: Nikon Fun Lenses Hi Team, It seems this set of Nikon lenses were designed as rivals to the Pentax Limited series, what do you think? http://www.ave.nikon.co.jp/nti/nti_e/index.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio) PO Box 701 HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481 AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please check my current eBay auctions: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/ebay/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Weekend Woes
My guess, probably cheaper to replace then repair! At 09:28 AM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote: I spent this weekend in taking pictures of my children and flowers. Everything was going wonderfully when I fired the shutter on my spotmatic and I quickly noticed the mirror had locked up. Now I have had problems in the past with the mirror locking up at very slow shutter speeds but it always came unstuck after I fired it off again. Well this time it locked up at 1/500 and will not come undone. I guess it's time for a CLA along with the repair any idea on how much I can count on spending? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Printing With VC Paper
Last night I used VC paper for the first time, Ilford's MGIV RC Deluxe. I wasn't making final prints, but, rather, proof prints on 5x7 paper. The paper was a joy to work with, and perfect for the task. It's quick to develop, stop, and fix, and washing is fast and easy also. The Cooltone would have been my first choice, but the full-service camera shop in the area didn't have any. I used the Beseler 23C-II with a Dichro head, and chose the "single filter" method of adjusting contrast, both for speed and simplicity, and because I'm not at all familiar with the "two filter" method. Could someone explain what the reason is to use the two filter method, and how it's an improvement over the single filter method? Thanks! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Back to Pentaxia with questions....
I own a PZ-1p and a ZX-5n. I like the feel of shooting the PZ-1p, once I got the grip strap for it. The ZX-5n, I rarely ever shoot it without the battery adapter, again because I like the grip. If there is not a significant feature the PZ-1 has that you'll be taking advantage of on a regualr basis, I'd go with the NEW ZX-5n for the WARRANTY! And if you have the option to get the extended warranty out ot a total of five years, go for it! What is your source quoting you for a PZ-1p body, not close enough if you really want a PZ? At 10:45 AM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote: So what then is the body of a PZ1 made of? (It sure looks like plastic to me in its pictures, no?) Also, the MZ/ZX bodies are not a light "plastic", but some kind of heavy polycarbonate fusion material. Having owned older metal cameras, (such as the tank-like 1970's Canon TX,) I believe an MZ/ZX would survive knocks, or even a fall, with much more safety! IMO where metal severly jolts the insides of a camera upon impact, the polycarbonate stuff would absorb better the vibrations of this very same impact! (I do not think one should assume that older and heavier metal bodies are always better. It really depends upon the individual camera, and how well it's put together...) And as for durability, well, a ZX5n sure as hell ain't gonna' wear out in my lifetime. (My kids can buy their own damn cameras. Probably will too. Digital...) And a PZ1 has a lot more little buttons and intricate features to it; which means more stuff to have possible trouble with later on, yes? The "bigger and heavier" part of the PZ1 interests me though; it might be easier to hold onto and maneuver than a ZX? Skip I am very concern about the quality rather than quantity. When I bought the Z-1p, I compared the MZ-5n as well. IMHO, the built quality of MZ-5n is no match to the Z-1p. Not to mention that all MZ/ZX bodies were made of plastic (even the mounts are metal). I reckon the Z-1 share the same chassis so I would prefer the Z-1. However, it is significantly bigger than the MZ-5n. regards, Alan Chan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Hi Mafud, You of course are right. I can't tell what lens I took it with unless I already know. In general though, when I look back over my accumulated work, I seem to have an affinity for the shots taken with primes. Possibly it's just my imagination. I agree - either cropping with a zoom or copping by proximity works for me. I do find however, that when using a prime, it necessarily makes me look more closely at the subject. It seems to take longer to set up, compose, change lenses if need be. During that lengthen stay at the subject, I am forced to get to know it more intimately, even if only slightly so. Tom C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step) In a message dated 3/5/2001 1:21:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For instance http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/WoodenBoats.htm was shot with a prime. It has a crispness and clarity (not blowing my own horn) even at this low resolution that I don't see in some of my zoom photos. Hello Tom! Could it be you ~know~ your own work, perhaps too well? And would you be so sure of it if the photo had been shot by someone else? Suppose you were asked the zoom Vs. prime question about that particular photo? I would hope my question[s] might lead to a lessening of the "prime Vs. zoom" mentality. Considering there are a pile of zoom photos in the March PUG, and since so many PUGSTERS acquit themselves so well with zooms, perhaps "cropping by zoom" ought to be as an acceptable and valid photographer's technique, at least as much as "cropping by feet," the time honored (old-fashioned, before quality zooms) method. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photographic travel to Utah.
William, No need to apologize for the long post. It is exactly the information I am looking for. If you can send along the names for used equipment I would appreciate it. It is not that I am looking for anything, but it never hurts and I may come across a lens case or two... With the difficulty I am having getting a place in Ogden, I will try Layton next, I may be staying in SLC Thursday night also. If you are so inclined, I am free flowing with no plans so that we can try to get together if you wish. My flight arrives in SLC at 10:30 on Friday and I have just made reservations at the Courtyard Salt Lake City Downtown. I will have my LX so you can handle it - it is the worst asthetically of the three I have but still feels good. Thank you for your time, and think about getting together, Csar -Original Message- From: Bill Johnson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:30 PM To: pentax discuss Subject: Re: Photographic travel to Utah. Hi Csar, Glad to hear that you are coming to Utah! I'll try to help with some suggestions the best that I can. Ken mentioned the Maddox Steak house. It is still there in Perry (next to Brigham City) probably about 20 minutes north of Ogden. See: http://www.brigham.net/~maddox/ In Salt Lake City, I have found that a good area for street photography is in the vicinity of Temple Square. This is where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) have a number of buildings, and seems to attract quite a few tourists, families, transients, lovers, wedding parties, etc. As you can imagine, it can make for an entertaining mix at times (though I would guess nothing like New York or L.A., I'd really like to go there sometime). Unfortunetly, this is rather the slow time of year, when most of the remodeling and renovation is taking place. I don't know where you are thinking of skiing, but there are a number of photo galleries and nice restaurants in Park City (about 30 minutes east of Salt Lake) along with skiing. This time of year, the Great Salt Lake can be rather photogenic, in particular if the weather is unsettled, the lake can look quite ominous. Sadly, the state of Utah seems to consider the lake little more than a smelly eyesore, and so, decent access is limited. The best access is by Antelope Island. The causeway heads west from Syracuse about 10 miles to the north tip of the Island. There are white sandy beaches (not so white as Panama City! :-)) and there is also a herd of buffalo. Sunsets of course, generally very good from there. I think the cost to get out there is around 7 bucks. By the way, Syracuse is about half way between Salt Lake and Ogden. Also, in the Odgen area, is the Hill Airforce Museum, and the Union Station Museum, the latter which showcases some 19th century trains, and also houses the Bronwing firearms museum. About 1 hour northwest of Ogden is the Golden Spike NHS, where the transcontinental railroad was joined in 1869. There are replicas of the two engines that are on display in the summer, I can find out if they would be out now, if you would like. As for photo shops, well, to paraphrase a movie line, if there is a bright spot in the Pentax universe, Utah is the spot it is most furthest from. New equipment is limited to ZX-30's, '7's and 'M's. I've never even seen a PZ-1p for sale, though I remember seeing a few PZ-1's when they first came out. I don't think there is a ZX5-n for sale even in Salt Lake. Part of this may be that the biggest Pentax supporter in years past has been bought out by Ritz Camera, whom I don't think are extremely Pentax friendly. The used market isn't any better. I think that most of the folks who buy Pentax here know what they want, so they tend to hang on to it. I've only bought two pieces of equipment here locally, a close-out 50mm lens about 9 years ago, and a 105mm lens at a swap meet last year. If you do want to try your luck, however, I can give you the names of a couple of likely places for used equipment. With my luck, you will find the 85 1.4 I've been looking for! :-) If you need supplies, there is a pro shop downtown in SLC that carries a good inventory of film, filters, etc. at reasonable prices. Sorry for such a long post. If you have any questions, or if there is something I can do or find out for you, please don't hesitate to drop me a line. Regards, William in Utah. PS. We should really roll out the red carpet for you since you are bringing an _LX_. I've never laid eyes on one, and the owner of a photo shop that does some Pentax business says that he saw one once. About 20 years ago. Csar wrote, I will be travelling to Utah on Friday for business/pleasure. __ Do You Yahoo!?
Re: Printing With VC Paper
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I used the Beseler 23C-II with a Dichro head, and chose the "single filter" method of adjusting contrast, both for speed and simplicity, and because I'm not at all familiar with the "two filter" method. Could someone explain what the reason is to use the two filter method, and how it's an improvement over the single filter method? Theoretically, using two filters you should see no change in exposure as you move from one grade to the next, so you don't have to alter your exposure, say, when dropping from a 2 1/2 to a 2. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Weekend Woes
Tiger don't break my heart I love that camera. Evan Tiger Moses wrote: My guess, probably cheaper to replace then repair! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bresson a cropper?
Did Bresson crop? I don't know if Bresson did it, but all you have to do is look at his photos on the web to see that someone seems to have cropped a few of them. It would be interesting to see, those of you who have some of his more famous prints in your possession, if the images you have match up to what is shown on the web. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Right, I was just using it as an example because I know I shot it with a 50/1.4. The proof would really be in the slide or print, but even then a 1-to-1 comparison of the same subject, same composition, same focal length, same aperture would be needed for a definitive comparison. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the quality of zooms. I just think that maybe there is some difference that's discernible. Most zoom reviews admit that while many of todays zooms are of a very high quality, there are compromises. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Alin Flaider" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:20 AM Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step) Tom wrote: http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/WoodenBoats.htm was shot with a prime. It has a crispness and clarity (not blowing my own horn) even at this low resolution that I don't see in some of my zoom photos. Tom, I can understand your enthusiasm but really, you cannot tell from a 600x400 JPeg if a zoom or prime was employed. When properly printed, scanned and retouched, even crappy 28-80 zooms should deliver equal quality with any prime up to 3 MPixels. Of course overall contrast, light fall-off or flare might reveal a zoom shameful origin ;o) but this is rather the exception. More generally, beginners complaining of their zooms, should firstly doubt the minilab optics quality, their technique, only then the zoom they got in the pack. One might be surprised to find out what the feeble link... Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pop Quiz Request
Love a copy Illinois Bill Mike Johnston wrote: If anyone still wants a copy of the Pop Quiz, please send me a private e-mail. I won't be able to keep up if I have to fulfill requests posted here on the List. Thanks! --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Printing With VC Paper
By using two filters, you increase the contrast of the print without blowing out the highlights. The high contrast filter allows for you to get the blacks black, then the low contrast filter allows for getting details into the highlights that you would otherwise not get with a high contrast filter only. Since the low contrast filter is only in there for a short time, it doesn't affect the exposure that much. Todd At 08:13 AM 3/5/01 -0800, you wrote: Last night I used VC paper for the first time, Ilford's MGIV RC Deluxe. I wasn't making final prints, but, rather, proof prints on 5x7 paper. The paper was a joy to work with, and perfect for the task. It's quick to develop, stop, and fix, and washing is fast and easy also. The Cooltone would have been my first choice, but the full-service camera shop in the area didn't have any. I used the Beseler 23C-II with a Dichro head, and chose the "single filter" method of adjusting contrast, both for speed and simplicity, and because I'm not at all familiar with the "two filter" method. Could someone explain what the reason is to use the two filter method, and how it's an improvement over the single filter method? Thanks! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spotmatic Weekend Woes
CLA probably less than $100 if you don't need parts. You might find it will free itself if you put one hand out and "bump" the base of the camera on your hand. This will not fix the problem that cause it but might free it up. Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Evan Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spotmatic Weekend Woes I spent this weekend in taking pictures of my children and flowers. Everything was going wonderfully when I fired the shutter on my spotmatic and I quickly noticed the mirror had locked up. Now I have had problems in the past with the mirror locking up at very slow shutter speeds but it always came unstuck after I fired it off again. Well this time it locked up at 1/500 and will not come undone. I guess it's time for a CLA along with the repair any idea on how much I can count on spending? Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Look at MZ-S
Dick Graham forwarded this from his brother: Hi Dick, Our Pentax rep brought an MZ-S in last week. The one thing that overshadows all else about the camera is it's price. With a street price of $850 to $900, it will not sell very well. We figure, based on feel and features, it should be priced at about $600. The interface is cumbersome. Focus point sellection is very cumbersome. ... But more important than any of the above, dispite it's magnesium construction, it feels cheap. I fear that Pentax has dropped the ball on this one. We'll see. If the price gets down around $500 to $600 it may succeed. Hard words. Besides the fact that Bill didn't understand the exposure mode interface of the camera (somehow a bad thing in case this happens to dealers), I think this is how the non Pentax fans will see the camera. Especially since these complains are independent from technical features (no cross sensors, only 2.5 fps, 1/180s synch, no program shift, only 0.5EV exposure comp., no flash compensation in program with RTF and so on and so on), it is a very bad sign that they can't appraise the camera in a clear way. Some European Pentax distributors have also noted that the camera uses a lot of plastic. In other words: If you can't immediately feel the $1200.-, and you can't see them in the specs too, who would spend them, in case he is not a die hard Pentax fan? Unfortunately I see little chances that Pentax can lower the price. That's a volume question. Technical updates on the other side are difficult or impossible due to the small body. So we have to live with the situation that Pentax has released a camera targeted direct at the Pentax fan, a camera that makes sense in the special situation of an advanced Pentax system user, while being not the big draft for the overall market. Ralf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Nikon Fun Lenses
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Andy Harbin wrote: "...not ... well suited for shooting finer images." I think is the exact opposite to the limited range. Also, no aperture control? What's up with that? I think Rob was kidding about the Limited competition, Andy. :) Pentax is putting out ultra high-quality metal lenses, and Nikon brings out cheap, one-step-above-plastic-elements lenses. At the same time, they *do* look like they'd be fun, inexpensive lenses for beginners to use. They won't care about the quality loss, and will get a change to try out focal lengths that they'd never be able to afford otherwise. Not a bad idea, IMO. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Weekend Woes
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Tiger Moses wrote: I guess it's time for a CLA along with the repair any idea on how much I can count on spending? My guess, probably cheaper to replace then repair! Hmmm... that's a yes and no situation. Where I live, you can buy a Spotmatic in used condition for around $100-$125 CAN, and can get a complete CLA done for about the same price, maybe even less. There's a couple of things to consider: (1) When you buy a different Spotmatic, odds are good that it hasn't been CLA'd recently, and that you'll have to have that done it to it sometime in the near future. By this logic, spend $80 US to have your repaired and you'll have a Spotmatic that's just been CLA'd and is in the best condition it can be. Spend $80 US to get a different one and you'll have a Spotmatic in questionable condition that might require more spending later. (2) The conservation issue. Because Pentax no longer makes Spotmatics, there's a limited number of them in existence, and we should try to repair all of the ones that we can. I know it might seem like there's a lot of them around now, but that's also what they said about a lot of extinct animals and overmined resources. :) If a body is totally irrepairable then there's nothing wrong with using it for parts, but if it's something that a CLA could solve then I think it's worthwhile having it put back in working condition. Just something to think about. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What you shootin' this weekend?
Kids and flowers in a light rain. Evan Shh. Keep it down Evan, Mike might be reading. ;-) Dan Scott (great name, btw, my son is really proud of it) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nikon Fun Lenses
I'm not quite sure about the fun part. Who's fun, ours? Definitely. Owners fun? Come to think about it... that's even funnier. Servus, Alin :o) ( http://www.ave.nikon.co.jp/nti/nti_e/index.htm ) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Look at MZ-S
Dick wrote: The interface is cumbersome. Focus point sellection is very cumbersome. This one of my concerns; the manual focus point selection doesn't seem well implemented... The top left dial, which controls exposure compensation and auto bracketing, is not designed so you can move the inner auto bracketing dial very well. The little ribs are too small and the dial's detents are too difficult to overcome. However, the general idea of it is good. I personally couldn't care less. With this camera you'll spend less time manual bracketing than setting auto bracketing on any camera. This is a feature that doesn't need to be smoth in use. The outer ring on the right hand dial controls the exposure modes. This is much like the old Maxxum 9000's exposure mode dial. But unlike the Minolta where you just turned the ring to select the exposure mode; with the MZ-S you need to push a button on the front of the camera and turn the dial to get away from the program mode. You then need to push the button again and turn the dial to get back to the program mode. This also is a bit cumbersome. This doesn't seem to me to be correct. As I understand it, in program mode you go instantly in shutter priority mode by turning the shutherspeed dial either way. To go back in program mode you press a button. Likewise between aperture priority and manual. It works like the Z-1p and the IF button. The main deal is not a mode selector primarily but a shutterspeed dial. BTW I do not think the MZ-S is meant to be used in program mode. Its interface is optimized for manual shooting with instant aperture priority auto posibilities. Every other auto mode seem to take second place. This isn't so strange since interface points back to those aperture priority Pentaxes. And they seem to have abandoned the Hyperprogram mode. This was one of the PZ-1n's best features. That depends on how you define hyper program. But more important than any of the above, dispite it's magnesium construction, it feels cheap. Hmmm. Maybe it just feel lightweight? Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Have got a new LX !!
Hello you are a lucky guy, you know ? Have lots of enjoyments with this LX See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Yoshihiko Takinami" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Pentax Duscuss Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: lundi 5 mars 2001 14:52 Subject: Have got a new LX !! Hi folks, Finally, I have got a new LX !! :^) Yes, I already have one used. The new screens are so remarkable that I cannot resist to get a new one before Pentax stops producing LX. I am now really excited with two LX's, one with a FA-1 and the other with a FA-2. Both of them are installed SE-60 (plain matte) screens. # It's a pity but I heard that the new screens are # currently out of stock all over Japan. # It seems most LX owners in Japan rushed into the # new screens. Cheers ! -- Yoshihiko Takinami Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Look at MZ-S
Ralf Engelmann wrote: So we have to live with the situation that Pentax has released a camera targeted direct at the Pentax fan, a camera that makes sense in the special situation of an advanced Pentax system user, while being not the big draft for the overall market. IMO, what Pentax needed to do was release the Minolta Maxxum 9 with the abilty to accept K-mount lenses and everything that goes along with it. That would have been the killer camera. Once again, IMO, it seems Pentax thinks they are only competing with themselves. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: visiting London
I'm going to visit London for a holiday trip with my family. I'd like to know some adresses of camera shops (second hand PK-stuff) and labs (E-6)... so..you guys living in the UK..I'm counting on you.. PS. I have some pics of my son ( three months old now) here: http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/vaavi.htm Most of the pics are taken with A-50/1.7.. and those pics are not so great pics.. family album stuff more or less.. cheers, Timo _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Ilford Delta 400
They've put a blurb up: http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/latestnews/latestnews5.html Just a press release, really... tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Test Drive results (long)h
I did not check the eyepiece to see if it was glass or plastic, but it's dished like the ZX5N, and so similar, that I would bet it's the same. Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S Test Drive results (long)h Hi Ed, I think this is the least interested question, but I have decided to ask anyway. Was the eyepiece made of glass, or still plastic (if it was uncoated, it's usually plastic)? It's the most hatred part on my Z-1p, and I hope the one on MZ-S is not plastic anymore. 8-( regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Another Pinhole Project
Steve my daughter and I did a pinhole project a few years ago. However we couldn't find any 126 so we made a pinhole camera from a shoe box loaded it with Ilford 4X5 paper and made paper negatives and then contact prints it worked really well. Evan Steve Larson wrote: Hi, I signed up my daughter (1st grade) and I to do a science project at her school. After searching the internet on pinholes, I came up with: http://www.toptown.com/nowhere/kypfer/pinhole/pinhole.htm When I asked at numerous camera shops about 126 cartridge film, everyone shook their head no. Even the lab I go to said they can not develop it. Since I do not develop my own film, the 126 cartridge seems like a good idea. Anyone got any ideas where to get it, and develop it? Thanks, Steve (open for suggestions) Larson Redondo Beach, California *You should never say anything to a woman that even remotely suggests that you think she's pregnant unless you can see an actual baby emerging from her at that moment.* - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photographic travel to Utah.
are there any ghost towns that easy to find and get to? Hi César, Glad to hear that you are coming to Utah! I'll try to help with some suggestions the best that I can. Ken mentioned the Maddox Steak house. It is still there in Perry (next to Brigham City) probably about 20 minutes north of Ogden. See: http://www.brigham.net/~maddox/ In Salt Lake City, I have found that a good area for street photography is in the vicinity of Temple Square. This is where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) have a number of buildings, and seems to attract quite a few tourists, families, transients, lovers, wedding parties, etc. As you can imagine, it can make for an entertaining mix at times (though I would guess nothing like New York or L.A., I'd really like to go there sometime). Unfortunetly, this is rather the slow time of year, when most of the remodeling and renovation is taking place. I don't know where you are thinking of skiing, but there are a number of photo galleries and nice restaurants in Park City (about 30 minutes east of Salt Lake) along with skiing. This time of year, the Great Salt Lake can be rather photogenic, in particular if the weather is unsettled, the lake can look quite ominous. Sadly, the state of Utah seems to consider the lake little more than a smelly eyesore, and so, decent access is limited. The best access is by Antelope Island. The causeway heads west from Syracuse about 10 miles to the north tip of the Island. There are white sandy beaches (not so white as Panama City! :-)) and there is also a herd of buffalo. Sunsets of course, generally very good from there. I think the cost to get out there is around 7 bucks. By the way, Syracuse is about half way between Salt Lake and Ogden. Also, in the Odgen area, is the Hill Airforce Museum, and the Union Station Museum, the latter which showcases some 19th century trains, and also houses the Bronwing firearms museum. About 1 hour northwest of Ogden is the Golden Spike NHS, where the transcontinental railroad was joined in 1869. There are replicas of the two engines that are on display in the summer, I can find out if they would be out now, if you would like. As for photo shops, well, to paraphrase a movie line, if there is a bright spot in the Pentax universe, Utah is the spot it is most furthest from. New equipment is limited to ZX-30's, '7's and 'M's. I've never even seen a PZ-1p for sale, though I remember seeing a few PZ-1's when they first came out. I don't think there is a ZX5-n for sale even in Salt Lake. Part of this may be that the biggest Pentax supporter in years past has been bought out by Ritz Camera, whom I don't think are extremely Pentax friendly. The used market isn't any better. I think that most of the folks who buy Pentax here know what they want, so they tend to hang on to it. I've only bought two pieces of equipment here locally, a close-out 50mm lens about 9 years ago, and a 105mm lens at a swap meet last year. If you do want to try your luck, however, I can give you the names of a couple of likely places for used equipment. With my luck, you will find the 85 1.4 I've been looking for! :-) If you need supplies, there is a pro shop downtown in SLC that carries a good inventory of film, filters, etc. at reasonable prices. Sorry for such a long post. If you have any questions, or if there is something I can do or find out for you, please don't hesitate to drop me a line. Regards, William in Utah. PS. We should really roll out the red carpet for you since you are bringing an _LX_. I've never laid eyes on one, and the owner of a photo shop that does some Pentax business says that he saw one once. About 20 years ago. César wrote, I will be travelling to Utah on Friday for business/pleasure. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Printing With VC Paper
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Are we not talking about using two dials at a time on a colour head for contrast control as opposed to one? That's what I thought Shel was talking about. That's exactly what I was asking about, not split filter printing. "Two Filter" printing is when one uses both Y and M correction to arrive at a contrast range, rather than just one filter. Perhaps, as a novice VC printer, I'm using the wrong terminology, but that's the term I've read on the Ilford site and in a couple of articles about VC printing. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Spotmatic Weekend Woes
CLA prices seem to depend on cost of living of the area you live in. Here in the Seattle area, which has housing prices approaching southern California prices, a Spotmatic CLA with meter calibration and diode to accept non-mercury batteries runs about $120 with tax. For me, it is well worth it. Any random used Spotmatic may not even have a meter functioning well enough to be calibrated (I have one of these too). If your meter is working fine, then stick with a known entity, I say. My original Spotmatic II that I got 25 years ago was CLA'd last year for the first time since Pentax had it in 1978 (sticker still inside). I was amazed at how much easier the film advanced, and the meter seems dead on with my ZX-5n. Cheers, Gerald - Original Message - From: "Evan Hanson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Spotmatic Weekend Woes I spent this weekend in taking pictures of my children and flowers. Everything was going wonderfully when I fired the shutter on my spotmatic and I quickly noticed the mirror had locked up. Now I have had problems in the past with the mirror locking up at very slow shutter speeds but it always came unstuck after I fired it off again. Well this time it locked up at 1/500 and will not come undone. I guess it's time for a CLA along with the repair any idea on how much I can count on spending? Evan Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Printing With VC Paper
The two filter method (as Ilford calls it) is using the M and Y channels in a color head to vary contrast without varying exposure times. The method is outlined in the datasheet of every pack of Ilford paper sold, and probably other manufacturers as well. I've played with it a bit...it doesn't seem to work very well for me. Split filtration involves using different contrast filtrations during the same exposure, and comes in 2 flavors: Split filtering the whole print (global split grading?), or split filtering parts of it (local split grading?). An example of the first would be exposing a neg for 8 secs at grade 4 and 2 secs at grade 0. An example of the second would be 10 seconds at grade 2, then burning in the sky at grade 5. Mike you're saying the first flavor of split grading is crap. You're not saying the same thing about localized split grading are you? I seem to have had success with both methods. Maybe the global split grading method doesn't give you a contrast range unavailable by a single filtration, but could it be an easier way to get the exposure you're looking for? Anyway, lately I've used this method to get prints I'm very happy with. Any thoughts? tv Aaron Reynolds wrote: Mike Johnston wrote: Shel wrote: Could someone explain what the reason is to use the two filter method, and how it's an improvement over the single filter method? There is none, and it's not. (It 's called split-filter printing.) Are we not talking about using two dials at a time on a colour head for contrast control as opposed to one? That's what I thought Shel was talking about. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Printing With VC Paper
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: Are we not talking about using two dials at a time on a colour head for contrast control as opposed to one? That's what I thought Shel was talking about. That's exactly what I was asking about, not split filter printing. "Two Filter" printing is when one uses both Y and M correction to arrive at a contrast range, rather than just one filter. Perhaps, as a novice VC printer, I'm using the wrong terminology, but that's the term I've read on the Ilford site and in a couple of articles about VC printing. Yep, see my previous post. Like I said, this hasn't worked very well for me. The supposed benefit is that you can change filtration without changing exposure time, but I found that I still had to tweak the time a bit. Besides, exposures were too long (your lamp isn't really suited to that much filtering) and the charts only give 1/2 grades. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: eBay Wonderland
What is amazing, is it that is not even an SMC! But, I always like gooeyduck's auctions. He has a nice picture at the bottom of this particular auction. - Original Message - From: "Provencher, Paul M." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: eBay Wonderland I have never seen a Bellows Takumar (non-SMC, screw mount), or for that matter the 100mm SMC Macro Takumar go for the current high bid on this item. Someone wants that lens! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1217468187 ppro - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: slightly OT : painting your own backgrounds
Tiger Moses wrote: I used ot have tow ro three links to pages with info on how to paint your own, then someone ask me how and now I cant find anything You went to a keg party and didn't invite us? Thanks a lot. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Hi Dan I sure like the sound of this. (What took you so slong?) Thanks! Jens Something I try to keep in mind, when listening to someone speak of something they love to do and feel strongly about, is that their comments are as likely to come from the heart as from the head. It's passion, and when its going in the right direction, it's what makes us glad to be alive and willing to put up with the sacrifices we make inorder to do what we love. We'd all be a lot better off looking for the commonality of our mutual obsession, than focusing on the differences in the ways we have come to pursue it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Wide angle comparisons (Canon to Pentax)
I have the FA 20-35/4, and my gf has the EF USM 20-35/3.5-4.5 with hood and case for her EOS-5. There is a significant size difference between the two (Pentax being smaller, of course). Both are recent acquisitions, so we haven't sat down to do any serious comparisons, but at first glance, they seem fairly equivalent in output. What I don't like about the Canon 20-35 is the diameter and reach of the hood. It is a monster compared to the FA version. And of course, the hood and soft leather case cost extra for the Canon, while Pentax supplies both with the lens. Cheers, Gerald - Original Message - From: "Leon Altoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Wide angle comparisons (Canon to Pentax) Greetings all, A friend of mine is looking to buy a new camera after his ex-wife won custody after the divorce. The sad news is that he is looking at a Canon. The good news is that he is not yet sold. He is looking at the Canon EOS-30 and the 20-35 f3.5-4.5. I have the Pentax FA 20-35 f4 lens and love it, but I can't give him any honest comparison between the Canon and the Pentax. According to Photodo they are very close in terms of sharpness, but as most of us know that is not all there is to how a lens takes a picture (with the camera's help of course). Does anyone have any experiences with these lenses that they can relay to me? I would like to see him with an MZ-3 and FA20-35, but that will be up to him. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Printing With VC Paper
tom wrote: Like I said, this hasn't worked very well for me. The supposed benefit is that you can change filtration without changing exposure time, but I found that I still had to tweak the time a bit. Besides, exposures were too long (your lamp isn't really suited to that much filtering) and the charts only give 1/2 grades. That's the information that completes my understanding. Thanks. I think for now I'll stick with tweaking the Magenta filter and get easier control of more finite contrast. You've been most helpful, Tom. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
slightly OT : painting your own backgrounds
I used ot have tow ro three links to pages with info on how to paint your own, then someone ask me how and now I cant find anything Anyone have a good bookmark or two for the web? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bodies Roll Call, new member
Hello, I have 1 SP1000 1 Spotmatic SP II 1 ES 4 KX 2 MX You have not counted me before. Thanks, Martin Albrecht - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Tom C. here with my Mafud-hat on. :-) Except when focusing on the differences broadens our perspective while looking for the commonality makes us smuggly complacent. We'd all be a lot better off looking for the commonality of our mutual obsession, than focusing on the differences in the ways we have come to pursue it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Number the messages??
Is there anyway to number the messages in the digest? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax and Image Stabilization or VR or ??
Does anybody know if Pentax is working on any kind of IS or VR technology? I am a big tripod user, but when traveling with my family I can't be carrying a heavy tripod about. A VR lens in the range of 25-135 more or less, would be a big help. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Look at MZ-S
Ralf wrote: Besides the fact that Bill didn't understand the exposure mode interface of the camera (somehow a bad thing in case this happens to dealers), I think this is how the non Pentax fans will see the camera. The dealer did not even understand the philosophy behind this camera. As I understand this user interface, it makes it easy to switch temporarily into automatic functions when needed or, vice versa, to escape rapidly from the automatic functions (without taking the camera from the eye). This eases fast operation without getting raped by the camera computer. This camera is basically meant for those who prefer to shooting with fixed aperture and shutter speed settings. Since the introduction of AF the 35mm market of is devoid of such cameras. It is badly needed. Ralf: Unfortunately I see little chances that Pentax can lower the price. That's a volume question. Technical updates on the other side are difficult or impossible due to the small body. So we have to live with the situation that Pentax has released a camera targeted direct at the Pentax fan, a camera that makes sense in the special situation of an advanced Pentax system user, while being not the big draft for the overall market. Ralf - -- Yes, I think this camera is meant as a low volume item. But I believe it is a fairly unique camera that could be a success also outside the dedicated pentax fetishists. It makes sense. Why should all cameras look the same? Have fun! Alexander __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bodies Roll Call, new member
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Martin Albrecht wrote: I have [snip] 2 MX Hey, Aaron, it's about time for you to get another few LX's, isn't it? :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nikon fun lenses
This is a joke, correct? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bresson a cropper?
Bob Walkden wrote: What people do to unauthorised copies of the photos on the web is presumably beyond the reasonable control of Magnum. Unfortunately I don't own any of HCBs prints yet, but I do have a number of books. It is a simple enough matter to look at the black border around the frame to tell if the photo has been cropped. A black border is not necessarily an indication of a full-frame, or uncropped, print. Borders can be printed in, and they often are. I have read that HC-B has done just that in some instances, but I've never seen documentation of that. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: First Look at MZ-S
Tom wrote: But that can't be for the camera's specs right? It's more like plain and simple bigotry. Certainly it is. I do believe that Dynaxx9 is designed to prevent Minolta users to go Canon or Nikon. Although the MZ-S has a similar function it does provide a real alternative; it dares to be different. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fish eye lens
Is it too early to ask how does the ZENITAR behaves on the 2nd hand market ? Perhaps after 1 year and a couple of shoots the lens gets trouble ? I've had my Zenitar about nine months now. I bought it to have some inexpensive fun with, but find that I use it often. It is a sturdy lens, and I've had no problem with it. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
HCB (Was: More on cropping (Was: An important step)
Bob W. wrote: But this mystique of visual purity gathered around HCB, is growing, in direct proportion to the cacophony of his admirers, who will, on some future date, tell us HCB walked on water. He had no need to walk on water. The waves always parted before him. HCB was a sissy. He only published photos that didn't need any cropping... Lasse, (Ok, ok ,ok.. just couldn't resist :) ) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
Comments mixed in. At 05:24 PM 3/5/01 EST, you wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2001 11:41:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree - either cropping with a zoom or copping by proximity works for me. Hi Tom! We often forget, when shooting primes, that composition has a handmaiden: perspective. I find it easier to walk around and gain both with zooms, even my 17-28, as opposed to the hassle of walking around with a 30-35 pound sack of lenses*-. *-Lenses that must be changed, restored to their cases before the photographer can compose and shoot, causing the grief of missed opportunities as the Sun or Moon or flowers move, or the wind rises-or clouds appear, all the while the prime-only shooter has their heads down, fumbling with this or that accouterment. There are shots zooms afford us which simply are unavailable to primes (unless one has that rucksack full of the variable lengths). Compression is also a handmaiden of composition, again, as an attribute unavailable to primes. I guess it depends on what you are shooting. A zoom is good for walking around when you don't know what you are going to find, or things like weddings or photojournalism. If you are doing portraits or most excellent macro shots of insects, you would probably slap a good prime onto the camera and leave it there for several rolls of film. I can see why a photojournalist would like a zoom, but take a landscape photographer. After setting up the tripod, flash, determining exposure, focusing, putting on filters etc. etc. etc., do you think the landscape photographer is going to be annoyed by taking an extra 30 seconds to change a lens? I don't know about some people, but I would never walk around with a 30lb sack of lenses either. (heck, I probably don't even own anything close to that much, zooms included!). If I don't want to use a zoom, I may grab 2 or 3 primes, which can be considerably smaller and lighter than many zooms, especially fast zooms. Those who tout primes, harken back to the days when primes were all there was. Actually, the only thing prime only shooters have is faster-maybe sharper. What other outstanding attributes do primes offer a "pro" zoom won't? What we don't ever factor into the discussion is this: what would HCB, Adams and the other "prime only" greats have produced had quality zooms, such as todays, been available to them? Zounds man, the imagination boggles! Adams would literally spend hours taking a shot, setting up the tripod and stuff, and then waiting for the perfect light to click the shutter. He didn't walk around and just photograph those scenes like a tourist. I don't think he would be bothered by a 30 sec lens change at all. Plus, how many zooms are there for 8x10 view cameras? As for HCB it's hard to say. I think he would like the idea of a zoom myself, but not the size and weight. Would we now think so highly of primes if the greats had produced some of their masterpieces with zooms? And why wouldn't they have? There are lots of great photographers now using zooms. What are you talking about? There are PENTAX zooms that rival PENTAX primes, though some would argue differently. There are some who would say the two are an oxmoron*. To them I say: disprove my assertion. *In their comparative analysis, no "consumer" zooms will be allowed, only "Pro" glass. **And let them with "pro" zooms and primes be the ones to make the analysis. There are other differences with zooms and primes. One is that zooms are larger lens, and heavier. If all I need is, say a 100mm lens for a purpose, I'd rather not deal with the bulk of either of my zooms. Another advantage is filters. Zoom lenses, especially those fast "Pro" zooms, use large filters. Ever priced 67mm filters? 77mm filters for the FA 80-200mm F2.8? Some are more expensive than a good prime lens! Then there is the whole issue of rotating front elements, which makes using some filters such as polarizers a royal pain. Another is price. The Pentax 28-70mm F2.8 costs $1065. A FA 35mm 35mm F2, FA 50mm F1.4, and a Limited 77mm F1.8 would set me back $1120. Sure, the three primes is a tad more expensive, but which would you rather have? I know I would take the primes, especially considering they are 1 stop or more faster. Even if you don't need the speed I am sure all three of those lenses would blow the zoom away stopped down to F2.8 Also, IIRC all three of those lenses take 49mm filters. (These are B+H prices) Another reason for primes is perspective, which you mentioned above. Many zooms simply don't focus as close as many primes, usually the wider the range the worse it is. In photo classes they always tell you to get closer. I like to take a WA lens and get really close to subject for interesting photographs* (*this doesn't work on people too well, but is good for cars, and generally any subject with lots of straight lines). It's no coincidence the two zooms I own are
Re[4]: More on cropping (Was: An important step)
Bob wrote: And why should he not always see and shoot full-frame? Many people do. I can think of fewer than 5 of my own photos from the last 20 years that I crop, and I'm no HCB. "Mon semblable, mon frere!" s --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step) What we don't ever factor into the discussion is this: what would HCB, Adams and the other "prime only" greats have produced had quality zooms, such as todays, been available to them? Well, as far as Adams goes, I have yet to see a quality large format zoom lens, or for that matter, a large format zoom lens of any quality. Some of us still eschew the miniature format size that so goes hand in hand with the zoom lens. Even in medium format, there are only a handful of zooms available from all the manufacturers combined. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Woops
She is the first to point it out anyway. Sorry, no prize on that one. Thanks for liking the picture. Just to relate it to another thread, the original was cropped extensively to get what is on the PUG. Bill - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Pentax Discuss" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: Woops Hey Bill, Nice job on Woops. Amazing picture. My wife's quick eye (too quick) noticed "He rolled it" as I moved the mouse pointer across the picture. She wants to know if she's the first one to notice that, and if so, what prize does she win?. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re[4]: More on cropping (Was: An important step)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: More on cropping (Was: An important step) Bob wrote: And why should he not always see and shoot full-frame? Many people do. I can think of fewer than 5 of my own photos from the last 20 years that I crop, and I'm no HCB. "Mon semblable, mon frere!" s --Mike In real life there are many possible scenes that are not ideal at 1:1.5 aspect ratio. Why not crop when the scene / composition calls for it? I shoot 6X6 sometimes but rarely find the square framing to work for a shot. I almost never compose "square" and NOT crop those 6X6 shots. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fish eye lens
Cyril MARION [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the feeling from the list is good towards this Russian stuff, my choice is difficult to make... - 2650FF for a 2nd hand genuine PENTAX 17mm f/4.0 or - 1300FF for a new ZENITAR 16mm f/2.8 Is it too early to ask how does the ZENITAR behaves on the 2nd hand market ? Perhaps after 1 year and a couple of shoots the lens gets trouble ? Hi Cyril, I've bought my Zenitar used three years ago. Never had any problem. I like it very much. Gianfranco Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
- Original Message - From: Mafud Subject: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step) Bill, I was trying to quench a growing fire, this "zooms as inferior photographic tools" thread abuilding in our midst. I don't know where this started. I originally stated my thoughts, which was that a zoom was a powerful tool for the knowedgable (experienced) photographer. There is no doubt about that. Too many PJ's and other pros make too many fine images with zooms to make that point arguable. My point was that the zoom in the hands of a beginner photographer (as opposed to a casual snapshooter) is like handing a stick of lit dynamite to a baby from the POV of the final image. Anything which allows us to be lazy when we are learning a craft will get in the way of learning the craft. The casual snapshooter is beyond redemption, photographically speaking. They just don't care. And thats fine, they do with the medium what suits them. The camera as a graven memory tool is perfectly valid. I still think that if you want to learn the craft of photography, zoom lenses are anathema to the process. I also think that the budding photographer should skip 35mm completely and move straight to medium format. That will, I am sure, open another can of worms. But the question[s] still stand: 1) can ~anyone~ tell (with any great degree of accuracy)** and without looking at the captions, which of the March 2001 PUG entries were made with primes Vs. zoom lenses? **(What would be a good score: 60%)? 2) Which of the print submissions were "cropped?" C'mon Mafud, thats not even a good Straw Man arguement. A 600 pixel wide image is not a test of a lens. One image on the gallery this month was done with a Kodak throwaway (motto: a different aspheric lens fomulae in every box). It has the same quality as any of the images in the gallery (with the exception of Versal Cross' image, which is stunning). Same with cropping. But you knew that when you wrote it, I hope. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Back to Pentaxia with questions....
So what then is the body of a PZ1 made of? (It sure looks like plastic to me in its pictures, no?) The outer shell is plastic, but the major structure inside is metal. For MZ/ZX bodies, the whole thing is plastic. Also, the MZ/ZX bodies are not a light "plastic", but some kind of heavy polycarbonate fusion material. Having owned older metal cameras, (such as the tank-like 1970's Canon TX,) I believe an MZ/ZX would survive knocks, or even a fall, with much more safety! IMO where metal severly jolts the insides of a camera upon impact, the polycarbonate stuff would absorb better the vibrations of this very same impact! (I do not think one should assume that older and heavier metal bodies are always better. It really depends upon the individual camera, and how well it's put together...) I cannot argue with that because I am no material engineer. However, no long ago somebody on eBay was selling a ZX-5n without the mount. The reason was it suffered from a free fall (but without hitting anything), and the lens was too heavy for the ZX-5n to get hold of. I have never heard or seen this happened before. I have saved the picture as proof. Also, if what you suggested was correct, then why would all the professional cameras employed metal for all major parts? Just an observation. And as for durability, well, a ZX5n sure as hell ain't gonna' wear out in my lifetime. Not sure about that, I "guess" it would last at most 20 years, I guess. The reason is the plastic gears would be worn eventually, and no parts would be available. (My kids can buy their own damn cameras. Probably will too. Digital...) And a PZ1 has a lot more little buttons and intricate features to it; which means more stuff to have possible trouble with later on, yes? Fair enough, but then cameras from '80s have even less electronic stuffs. So, should one choose '80s models based on this assumption (or even '70s)? The "bigger and heavier" part of the PZ1 interests me though; it might be easier to hold onto and maneuver than a ZX? Not quite. I have found my MZ-M with FG grip delivers excellent grip. Z-1p is not bad either, but feels quite different. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Primes vs. Zooms
Might as well entitle this one "apples and oranges". They each have their strengths and weaknesses for given situations and are BOTH valid tools for photography. Arguing that one or the other is "absolutley" better is pointless. It all depends on the photographic task/situation at hand. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
There is always a gap between the pure technical chatting and the enjoyment you have when you use your lens. But if fact, it is 2 side of a same coin ! Some people enjoy one more than the orther, and some people enjoy both . I think I have been misunderstood a bit. What I tried to say was no lens test was comprehensive because contrast, resolution and distortion control were not everything. Also, when talking about built quality, no one can tell how good they really are until using in the field for many years. What seemed to be a solidly built lens might not stand the abuse over the years. Based on my own experience, I value the built quality of Sigma lenses pretty low. For this reason, I have been sceptical when any test reports said Sigma lenses had excellent built quality. But that's just me. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Woops
I'm telling... I'm telling. Looking up the number for the cropper-coppers this minute. Don't be surprised if you get a knock on your door in the wee-hours. g BTW, my wife was curious if you ever used her castle painting as the basis for a wine label. If you didn't that's fine. Just curious. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Woops She is the first to point it out anyway. Sorry, no prize on that one. Thanks for liking the picture. Just to relate it to another thread, the original was cropped extensively to get what is on the PUG. Bill - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Pentax Discuss" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: Woops Hey Bill, Nice job on Woops. Amazing picture. My wife's quick eye (too quick) noticed "He rolled it" as I moved the mouse pointer across the picture. She wants to know if she's the first one to notice that, and if so, what prize does she win?. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
William Robb wrote: snip I also think that the budding photographer should skip 35mm completely and move straight to medium format. That will, I am sure, open another can of worms. Bill, why didn't someone tell me this 10 years ago? :-) You are a fine friend. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Woops
Sorry PDML - just made the classic mistake of thinking I was responding just to Bill Tom C. - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Woops I'm telling... I'm telling. Looking up the number for the cropper-coppers this minute. Don't be surprised if you get a knock on your door in the wee-hours. g BTW, my wife was curious if you ever used her castle painting as the basis for a wine label. If you didn't that's fine. Just curious. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Woops She is the first to point it out anyway. Sorry, no prize on that one. Thanks for liking the picture. Just to relate it to another thread, the original was cropped extensively to get what is on the PUG. Bill - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Pentax Discuss" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: Woops Hey Bill, Nice job on Woops. Amazing picture. My wife's quick eye (too quick) noticed "He rolled it" as I moved the mouse pointer across the picture. She wants to know if she's the first one to notice that, and if so, what prize does she win?. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Primes Vs. Zooms: was: Re: More on croppng (Was: An important step)
I have a headache and am not sure how coherent this is going to wind up being, but here goes anyhow. I need to wrap this up and get back to work, so I'm going to be a bit more lazy with my text-editing than I'd usually allow myself... How, ah, ironically _a_propos_. Didn't plan it that way, honest. Paal responds to Mafud: You need to be a good photographer to take full advantage of a zoom Probably true of taking *full* advantage of any lens, but I'll grant that with more to control on a zoom, there's more to learn how to use well. Zooms have the ability of making the photographer lazy; instead of playing around with perspective and try different vantage point, a zoom lens may make the photographer lazy by just zooming. But even on this point, which there doesn't seem to be much disagreement about overall, I must say that there is a flip side. Because a zoom lens allows one to change the magnification on the fly, _more_ vantage points become useable than with a prime. A truly diligent (and well equipped!) photographer may walk all around a subject, view it from different distances, and choose the prime that frames the subject the way he or she desires when standing in the spot he or she determines to present the most effective image. But I'm a lot _more_ likely to wander around and try various distances if I have a zoom, so that I don't have to keep changing lenses to see what I've got. Yes, that's some laziness, but if you make the job more difficult, I have incentive to be lazier still and stick to the distances that work with the one lens I've got mounted. BTDT -- this is not hypothetical. A _really_ well equipped photographer will, of course, also have reflectors, shades, and backdrops, and assistants to help position them. In comparison, am I lazy, cheap, or both? ;-) (Someone said he can nail the required focal length 95% of the time when looking at a scene. Great. I'm not there yet. Granted, I'll learn that skill more slowly with a zoom, but then the question becomes, "Why am I out there _today_; to study and practice, or to get this photo?" Ideally (and fairly often, really) I'll do both at the same time, but sometimes that's a luxury. As it is, I can come pretty close to picking the right focal length before I mount the lens on the camera reasonably often -- a lot less than 19/20 but enough to speed things up a wee bit -- but I often find myself wanting a focal length that I don't have in a prime (a separate reason for zooms) or wanting to tweak the framing (crop in the viewfinder) just a smidgen from one of the conventional lengths after I've found my vantage point.) So I'd say that zooms have the potential to make a photographer lazy as described above, but that avoiding them is no guaranteed cure! In fact, a zoom _may_, depending on the individual, be better from a "risk of inducing laziness" standpoint. Sometimes. Real-world example: I have 28, 35, 50, 85, 200, and 400 primes in K mount, and 28, 35, 50, 55, 135, and 200 primes in M42. Sticking to primes, To get 100mm, I need to use a 2x on an M42 50mm (since my K-mount teleconverters were stolen in the burglary). If I want 85mm, I have to shoot K-mount. To get a 65mm point of view / perspective / magnification with a prime, I have to crop after the fact. Sometimes a teleconverter is too expensive (I usually shoot handheld, not always in daylight -- two stops is a lot, plus the loss of sharpness...). I often carry enough bodies at a time to make other people shake their heads[*], but still, with _what_I've_got_, doing things properly with primes would mean at least one K-mount and one M42 body for each type of film I wanted to have loaded, rather than putting different film in each; or it would mean a lot of cropping. Or, until I train myself to see how I can crop later, it'll mean dismissing a lot of possible vantage points for not providing me the framing I want. [Note to self: Buy a g_n M42-K adaptor already...] Maybe I _do_ need to remind myself more often, "I can always crop this later," but my gut instinct has me composing in the viewfinder out of habit. And maybe I should indulge my instinct by using zooms when I want those in-between lengths. And maybe I should be saving up for in-between primes. Or maybe, just maybe, the right answer is "all of the above", because each tool has its place? IIRC, this thread started off from a comment about learning to crop, n'est-ce pas? And a parallel thread is discussing the virtues and evils of cropping (and to a much larger extent, simply whether HCB cropped). Both cropping and zoom lenses give the photographer more flexibility. Both _can_ lead to either laziness or a greater range of expression. Sloppy composition "because I can crop it later" is one side of the laziness coin. Not taking the final step that would transform a so-so photograph into a powerful visual statement because one can't be bothered to crop is the
RE: Fish eye lens
Rob Studdert's fisheye pictures and the rectilinear derivations from them at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/fisheye_to_rectilinear.html are interesting, but is there a better algorithm? If you look at "eddie" in the plane, the rectilinear version seems even more distorted and less pleasing than the original. I tried to redimension it but no improvement; his right shoulder is a mess. However, just taking the original fisheye picture and stretching it a little seemed to look better than either version on the site. So...which of these views represents reality? Then, of course: reality? Can't get that with a 2D representation of a 3D world. How about stereo fisheye pictures? Anyone ever done that? J. John Cohen, M.D., Ph.D. Department of Immunology, B-184 University of Colorado Medical School Denver, CO 80262, USA phone: +1 303 315-8898 fax: +1 303 315-5967 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 05 March, 2001 16:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fish eye lens On 5 Mar 2001, at 18:11, Cyril MARION wrote: I'm seeking a fish-eye to shoot high-quality panormas. As the feeling from the list is good towards this Russian stuff, my choice is difficult to make... - 2650FF for a 2nd hand genuine PENTAX 17mm f/4.0 or - 1300FF for a new ZENITAR 16mm f/2.8 Hi Cyril, If you intend to re-map the fisheye images into rectilinear projections and then use a program to stitch the images into a continuous cylindrical projection you will want to use a good lens. Several factors are key, firstly how well the lens fits the fisheye projection ideal and then how well the lens is corrected for optical aberrations ie colour separation towards the peripheries of the projection. For more information see my page: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/fisheye_to_rectilinear.html Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Woops
Geese, I had forgotten where I got that from. I owe you a bottle of Merlot. It made a lovely label. Send me your address, and the wine is on it's way, providing your government will allow importation of it (check on it from your end please). We just had a couple of instances here in Canada where the post office declared wine as dangerous goods and refused to deliver it to the addressee. The real pisser is that the way the autocracy is set up in Canada, the people who the wine was addressed to had no recourse whatsoever. Thanks Bill - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Woops I'm telling... I'm telling. Looking up the number for the cropper-coppers this minute. Don't be surprised if you get a knock on your door in the wee-hours. g BTW, my wife was curious if you ever used her castle painting as the basis for a wine label. If you didn't that's fine. Just curious. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New guy on list with question
Hello everybody from Mark W. in Silverton, OR. USA I got a question and a need I have bought a Pentax angle finder of about the spotmatic generation it works great but I can't figure out the focus? My eyes seem to compensate for where ever I turn it. If any body on the list knows of a site with the manual for this finder or would have one and could send me a scan I would be eternally grateful and you could have my first born (by the way he's 16 and wants to drive LOL) The angle finder should be adjusted without any lens attached. If the focus is correct, the mircoprism on the screen would be very sharp. regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Test Drive results (long)h
I did not check the eyepiece to see if it was glass or plastic, but it's dished like the ZX5N, and so similar, that I would bet it's the same. 8-( regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Woops
- Original Message - From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Woops Sorry PDML - just made the classic mistake of thinking I was responding just to Bill Tom C. Whoops, me too. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax FA* crap lenses
Of course we believe you and Paal. And that is a major cause for concern, as FA* lenses are not particularly cheap. I have 2 FA* and a F* and have not found problems, but it seems that the probability of getting a defective focusing scale window is very high. I also have to say that those problems are not uncommon in other brands. For example, most Canon EOS 5 users in the news list es.rec.fotografia (Spanish) complain about the mode dial of their cameras. So far it seems that almost all of them have had it replaced after a few months of use, and some of them more than once. I have read quite many the same complaint on the EOS5 as well (A2/A2e). Perhaps the choice of plastic was wrong? regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FA Zoom 28-105/3.2-4.5AL[IF]
Hi all, I found an article in a newspaper for the above new lens. This also adopts aspherical lens (uncertain about the number) and inner focusing. The price is JP\48,000, will hit the market on 10th March. Monthly production will be 3000. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA Zoom 28-105/3.2-4.5AL[IF]
Does anyone else think it strange that Pentax introduces a 28-105 and 24-90 at about the same time? tv Takehiko Ueda wrote: Hi all, I found an article in a newspaper for the above new lens. This also adopts aspherical lens (uncertain about the number) and inner focusing. The price is JP\48,000, will hit the market on 10th March. Monthly production will be 3000. Sincerely, Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/ - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Madison Skyline
Way to go, Collin. Proud of ya. Doug At 5:59 PM -05003/5/01, Collin Brendemuehl caused thus to appear: One kind comment to me about my gallery shot was to send info on to the Madison CofC. So I did. They like is and asked about my pricing! How thrilling. Now all I need is a new pricing schedule. It's been a few years since having one so I've got to make one. Should be fun. Thanks, Collin -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: visiting London
Good looking boy, Timo. Can't help you on the London shops. Camera stores were off-limits when I was there last. Doug At 10:06 PM +02003/5/01, Timo Hartikainen caused thus to appear: I'm going to visit London for a holiday trip with my family. I'd like to know some adresses of camera shops (second hand PK-stuff) and labs (E-6)... so..you guys living in the UK..I'm counting on you.. PS. I have some pics of my son ( three months old now) here: http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/vaavi.htm Most of the pics are taken with A-50/1.7.. and those pics are not so great pics.. family album stuff more or less.. cheers, -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Madison Skyline
Way to go Collin! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: Madison Skyline One kind comment to me about my gallery shot was to send info on to the Madison CofC. So I did. They like is and asked about my pricing! How thrilling. Now all I need is a new pricing schedule. It's been a few years since having one so I've got to make one. Should be fun. Thanks, Collin *** "The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." --James Madison, Federalist 47 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
