Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE:HypotheticalQuestion)
OK, I haven't exactly done a study on the thing but anyone who buys digital quipment, including cameras, finds out that in a very short time you get a mucher better product for the same price or even lower, can easily be observed by checking out the development of the top end digital cameras, there is now a 12 MB camera available, how long time ago was that there was a 6 MB camera as the top of the pack in SLR (not counting medium format digital cameras which is another MUCH more expensive issue). As to computers I use top LINUX boxes (doesn't matter what type of computer really) and I'm sure (always the case) that any computer I've bought (plenty) are second generation way too fast for what the gimmick minded consumer would like. My present computer is less than a year old and speed has increased about 50% during this time, i.e. for off-shelf products not for researched stuff. However if one wants to jump the digital bandwagon one has to do it a certain point, just by waiting you will always have something better. The best thing here of course is when digital performance and price reach film cameras. I wouldn't go for it myself - if I woulkd use digital it would be for getting into the digital darkroom and my experiences so far - despite working with digital stuff (elastic waves and earth (our planet) dformation, is not encouraging, the digital pictures simply takes too much of my time and I still need to get my files over to a printer - my nice inkjet is not up to the quality I want. I also want a break from computers at times. Cheers, ROnald Cheers, Ronald Improvement of the medium follows roughly computers, i.e., a doubling of capacity roughly every 18 months or so (take with a grain of salt). HUH??? Prove it William Robb
Re: Need help with new lens -- getting conflicting views on lens to camera datatransmission
This design rarely has problem, so I am sure it should be fine. :) regards, Alan Chan Well, on the 25th, I'll be sure to try it out first thing, and report back. Hopefully it all works out! _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf
Re: OT: Photographers' Bios
I have received my used copy of 'Seeing the Light: Wilderness and Salvation: a Photographer's Tale' from Powell's this morning. Well send the PDML *one* copy of your review when you've read it Cotty. I'm anxious to get your impression. The photos are good, aren't they? The thing is, the repros in the book hardly do them justice. I've seen 4-foot by 5-foot prints of his stuff. Amazing. Gosh, a book review! Haven't done one of those since Lynbrook High School, Santa Clara, c. 1974. Cot Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Re: Canon 1Ds (little pentax content)
Hi, I also worry about it! We will see. Alek Uytkownik Peter Spiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Yes, by all accounts Canon and Nikon are making really excellent digital SLRs. This is worrying from the viewpoint of Pentax's eventual competitiveness in this field. With film cameras, the manufacturer has to be a good optical company. The box doesn't affect picture quality -- that depends on the lens and the film, and you can use any brand of film in any camera. In digital cameras, the greatest difference comes from the electronics, and it is hard to see Pentax, with its late start and limited range, keeping up. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - za konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:28:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Coming from a slightly different perspective, I find blur from camera shake to be far more disturbing than blur from an unsharp lens. The camera shake blurring tends to be of greater magnitude in one axis. Cheers, - Dave Hmmm, reading this thread, I realized I am not totally positive what the blur from camera shake looks like. Do you mean the blur from a bad lens might just be around the edges or something? But the blur from camera shake tends to go in one direction all across the picture? Do you have any examples? And I mean examples where it isn't really, really obvious (where everything is really blurred)? Just curious. I haven't been able to tell with most of my photos that I see camera shake blur, though just about everything I've shot so far has been handheld. Doe aka Marnie
AOHC Calendar - well done!
Hi Guys, Surpised no-one else has mentioned this...? I got my Asahi Optical Historical Club 2003 calendar yesterday along with the latest Spotmatic magazine. I'd just like to extend my congratulations to Dario and the gang for a nice Xmas pressie and producing this excellent item - tons better than the offical Pentax offering IMHO (you've seen one cute polar bear, you've seen them all! :-) ). Chris
Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE:HypotheticalQuestion)
- Original Message - From: Ronald Arvidsson Subject: Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE:HypotheticalQuestion) OK, I haven't exactly done a study on the thing but anyone who buys digital quipment, including cameras, finds out that in a very short time you get a mucher better product for the same price or even lower, can easily be observed by checking out the development of the top end digital cameras, there is now a 12 MB camera available, how long time ago was that there was a 6 MB camera as the top of the pack in SLR (not counting medium format digital cameras which is another MUCH more expensive issue). Hmmm, where I come from, that 12mp digital SLR is about 10 times the price of its film using cousin. 6mp was top of the line for nearly a decade, until suddenly the pixel count grew. Using your example and putting the word computers in place of digital cameras, we would still be using 386's until the new gigaspeed Pentiums start to ship this spring. In the low end of the market, something like the 4 mp Optio is 800 bucks, compared to less than 200 for a similarly equipped film camera. As to computers I use top LINUX boxes (doesn't matter what type of computer really) and I'm sure (always the case) that any computer I've bought (plenty) are second generation way too fast for what the gimmick minded consumer would like. My present computer is less than a year old and speed has increased about 50% during this time, i.e. for off-shelf products not for researched stuff. Computers are not cameras. You can't compare computer speed improvements to digital camera improvements. Well, you can, but I think if you do a cursory bit of research you will find the comparison to be invalid. William Robb
Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE: HypotheticalQuestion)
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 05:29:22PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronald Arvidsson Subject: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE: HypotheticalQuestion) Improvement of the medium follows roughly computers, i.e., a doubling of capacity roughly every 18 months or so (take with a grain of salt). HUH??? Prove it This must be Moore's Law. A brief explanation is on http://www.intel.com/research/silicon/mooreslaw.htm . -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything.
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake Hmmm, reading this thread, I realized I am not totally positive what the blur from camera shake looks like. Do you mean the blur from a bad lens might just be around the edges or something? But the blur from camera shake tends to go in one direction all across the picture? Do you have any examples? And I mean examples where it isn't really, really obvious (where everything is really blurred)? Just curious. I haven't been able to tell with most of my photos that I see camera shake blur, though just about everything I've shot so far has been handheld. Take a picture with the shutter speed at double and quadruple the focal length ( with a 50mm lens, 1/30 and 1/15 of a second). Do it handheld, and don't take any precautions about the slow speed. You'll see for yourself what camera shake looks like. William Robb
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital Chris, I would say that for those who know how to manage their files, digital is cheaper, but those who have no clue what they are doing, for them film might be cheaper and easier. Especially concerning archiving. If they are managing their own files, a computer needs to be tossed into the cost equation. I realize they may already have one around, but it still counts as added cost. One of our customers was quite happy with his old 486. It did what he needed it to do, which was all text based stuff. Speed wasn't that important, nor was a big HD. He got a digital camera, and then, a short time later, spent a couple of grand on a new computer. He decided it was time to upgrade. He uses the thing for text files and storing image files. For this guy, the digital camera was way expensive, and he knows it. When the guy at Future Shop told him the camera would just plug into his computer, he didn't ask if the thing had a USB port. Most camera users fall into the low utilization category, shooting a couple of dozen rolls of film a year or less. I don't think a digital camera could possibly amortize in a reasonable time frame compared to a similarly featured film camera. William Robb
Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE: HypotheticalQuestion)
- Original Message - From: Johan Schoone Subject: Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE: HypotheticalQuestion) This must be Moore's Law. A brief explanation is on Moores law applies to computers. Digital cameras don't follow Moores law. William Robb
Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose?
- Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams Subject: Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose? Dr Williams: Thanks for the explanation and advice. The set-up I showed does work, and seems to work fairly well, but I have no idea how much better it could be with a phototube on top. From your explanation, I would think lots, which I find intriguing. Regarding why large format, it's because I am more interested in it than I am in microphotography, and hence would buy an 8x10 for landscapes and portraits before an expensive piece of equipment for micro work. However, if I could get a phototube for the Leitz at a reasonable cost, I would certainly consider that. You mentioned a Nightingale's. I presume this is an online seller? If so, can you supply a URL to me? Thanks William Robb
Re: Hi, I am back!
good to see you again. Doug At 11:43 PM +010012/18/02, Raimo Korhonen wrote, or at least typed: For the last 5-6 weeks I have been to Estonia once a week (and once to Ventspils, Latvia) so I unsubscribed. Now I am back, with my grumpy self relatively unchanged. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com
Re: SMC PENTAX 85-210mm f3.5 ZOOM?!
This one-touch zoom was made for just 9 months during 1976. It was sold with a reversible screw-on metal hood made especially for this lens. I've noted just three since 1999: $350 obo, posted Feb. 2, 2001, on http://camerex.com/discuss/messages/3/249.html?FridayFebruary220010... $364 EX KEH 6/99 $399 EX+ KEH 6/99 Unless you're a collector, it's not worth it. For a little more, you could find a nice one-touch Tokina 80-200/2.8 manual-focus zoom. (The redesigned, AF version is two-touch.) For a lot less, you can find an excellent one-touch 70-210/3.5 manual-focus zoom from Tamron or Vivitar Series One that focus much closer than 11 feet. If you'd rather stay with Pentax, the 70-210/4 PKA is the bargain telezoom of choice and close enough to f/3.5. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SMC PENTAX 85-210mm f3.5 ZOOM?!
Bob Rapp wrote: There were 2 85-210 K zooms. One was f4.5 and identical to the SMC Takumar. This one is f3.5! The Takumar's filter size was 58mm. I use the Tak's metal screw-in hood on my Tokina ATX 90/2.5 macro, via a 55-to-58mm step-up ring. (Photography measured the Tokina's focal length to be about 88 mm.) The Takumar metal hood will work perfectly on the Tokina's Vivitar Series One twin, which uses a 58mm filter. It should be ideal for the SMC Takumar 85/1.8 (58mm filter). [EMAIL PROTECTED]
75mm f/2.8 for 67II
If you compare the 67II to the 645nII (both current models), aside from the difference in negative, using a 67II is akin to using an LX sans winder. You have TTL flash, spot, center weighted, matrix metering, manual and AV modes. You wind the film yourself, set the DX code yourself. It feels like a nice, big, older style camera. The 645nII has AF, Program and TV, power winder, data imprinting, etc. It is much more like a ZX-5n like camera. So, to me, it is a big difference in style of handling and shooting. The 67II is more manual and the 645nII is more automatic and modern. Personally, I think it is great of Pentax to not try and make the only difference between the two be negative size. Before choosing a 67II myself, I must have gone into the store 12 times handling and working with both systems. I felt like in the end, that with the 645nII, I would have a very hard time justifying 35mm at all and with the 67II they were far more complementary systems. The big camera does some things much better and the 35mm does some things much better than the 67. With the automated 645nII, the lines between 35 MF are much more blurred. Nice post, Bruce, thanks. Now does anybody have the new 75mm f/2.8 who can tell us what it's like and maybe point us to some example pictures online? I know Aaron got one, but he's not around. Say, what ever happened to Aaron? All right, 'fess up, did somebody chase him off? --Mike
Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE:HypotheticalQuestion)
Hej William, Moore's law is as Jonan nicely showed us not for computers but for integrated circuits. Both microprocessors (computers) and IC components are important parts in a camera. CCD's benefit from the electronic race as well. However, lot of the development is done through computers and their capacity actually reflect trends in other areas also, I don't intend to prove it. However, go digital but be prepared that you get something better for same or even cheaper price in six months, which someone said is the lfietime of a digital camera. The digital question is rather what do you intend to do with the picture? Use it digitally - then go for it- otherwise for me personally analog, i.e. film which is a good solution. As I said in previous mails. DIGITAL BACK which could be used on e.g. MZ-S or even our simplier mz-5 siblings, this way we don't need to loose all the eequipment n the digital race. With this remark I am withdrawing for this conversation and wish William Robb, Johan Schoone and everyone else at the PDML a great Xmas, white as for me or maybe too hot for our Australian friends. Cheers, ROnald - Original Message - From: Johan Schoone Subject: Re: Film vs. Digital (WAS: Re: RE: HypotheticalQuestion) This must be Moore's Law. A brief explanation is on Moores law applies to computers. Digital cameras don't follow Moores law. William Robb
some thoughts on KAF3
I have read KAF3 patent lately and just want to share my observations (if you missed the link to KAF3 patent - here it is: http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/bnsviewer?CY=epLG=enDB=EPDPN=GB23741 54ID=GB+++2374154A++I+ ) - it is obvious, that new mount will simply use power zoom contacts to transfer power for new lenses (and it will work as a power source for older powerzoom lenses too) - these contacts, are even labeled Vpz - if above will come to life - is there any possibllity, that some newer bodies with powerzoom contacts will make use of some features to be found in new lenses? At least ultrasonic motor maybe? As a matter of fact Nikon managed to do it - AFAIK even quite venerable F4 is able to utilize silent wave motor in new AF-S lenses (but not VR - vibration reduction)... - I wonder if we see new lenses in high end range, or in consumer rather? But id doesn't matter - let they do this first, and have it in production. minolta showed their SSM lenses with ultrasonic motor about one year ago, but they are still not produced... Let's hope all hopes will materialize on PMA 2003 together with introduction of DSLR! -- Best Regards Sylwek
Slide management
As my slide collection grows, I'm learning that chronological storage in slide trays may not be the best solution for finding slides I'm looking for quickly. So. A couple of questions. 1) What do you use as a storage medium for your slides? Slide trays? Metal boxes? Plastic sheets? Other? 2) Do you have a specific numbering/labeling system? How does it work? I was trying to do a rrrff (YearRollFrame) numbering system, but I'd like to hear about what you use. 3) Software. Do you use any slide specific s/w? Something that would allow a numbering system, and category, and print labels? I was using a Thinkdb Tinybyte on my Palm for tracking this, but this is not the easiest way to enter lots of data either. 4) Anything else Keep in mind that this is strickly hobby level, so I'm not going to be tracking 1000s of slides/year with this, nor am I able to spend hundreds of dollars to do this. (obligatory pentax comment - they are all taken on Pentax gear :-) dk = Dave Kennedy Arnprior, Ont. Canada. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Slide management
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Anything else Keep in mind that this is strickly hobby level, so I'm not going to be tracking 1000s of slides/year with this, nor am I able to spend hundreds of dollars to do this. dk i scan and assign sheet and frame numbers. after that, i try never to look at the slides again and work only with the digital copy. that is managed in a database that also tracks the file names and builds thumbnails. Herb
Re: OT: American Beer/Leinenkugel's
Unfortunately Leine's is now owned by Miller Brewing Co, altlhough the Leinenkugel Co continues to brew their beer. I particularly like their Northwoods Lager and Creamy Dark. My wife likes the Honeyweiss. DG At 07:10 PM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're ever anywhere north of Milwaukee, try Leinenkugel's. It's a local microbrewery that's recently expanded dramaticallyand gone nearly state-wide! I remember when you had to start in Milwaukee and drive north for hours before you could buy any. Those were the days. Old but true story. In the 70's, I lived in Wisconsin. Phillip Morris acquired a major brewer, the Schlitz Beer Company from the family that owned it in Milwaukee. At a professional meeting one evening, I spent time talking to a Phillip Morris consultant visiting with Schlitz. He outlined Phillip Morris's strategy for me. They were bound and determined to drive all of the small breweries out of the business. In ten years, there will only be 4 or 5 beers sold in the USA. I subsequently watched Miller (Phillip Morris) and Budwieser (Anheuser Busch) battle it out for control of the USA. They forced all the smaller, local breweries off the store shelves and out of the bars. They put them out of business. Then 15 years later, the wheel turned full circle. We went to a surprise birthday party in Milwaukee. A former brewery employee had opened a craft brewery and bottling line for a new beer. Since then, the craft brewers are back big time! Regards, Bob S.
OT: who are you?
How do you see yourself? Strictly rhetorical, of course... http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
Camera shake can (usually) be identified by examining a point light source in your photograph under a loupe. Instead of being a point as it should be, it will show a movement track. A point light source can be anything from a street light far away to the glint of the sun off a shiny surface like a car or wave. In the absence of a point light source in the picture, a difference in sharpness from edges depending on their orientation also indicates shake. Bracing myself with my left elbow in, hand under the lens barrel, inhaling deeply, letting about 1/2 the air out of my lungs, holding and shooting between heart beats makes my photos better. A tripod makes my photos even better yet. Regards, Bob Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:28:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Coming from a slightly different perspective, I find blur from camera shake to be far more disturbing than blur from an unsharp lens. The camera shake blurring tends to be of greater magnitude in one axis. Hmmm, reading this thread, I realized I am not totally positive what the blur from camera shake looks like. Do you mean the blur from a bad lens might just be around the edges or something? But the blur from camera shake tends to go in one direction all across the picture? Do you have any examples? And I mean examples where it isn't really, really obvious (where everything is really blurred)? Just curious. I haven't been able to tell with most of my photos that I see camera shake blur, though just about everything I've shot so far has been handheld.
Re: my kit
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Christian Skofteland wrote: I'm one of the few, I think, that actaully like the Cheezy saturated color of Velveta (Brad, I know it's called Velvia, this is a deliberate mistake, done as a joke, a pun, a play on wordsg) I'm starting to apprechiate it more and more, but I think the only places where its truly been worked to its advantage (in my shooting, at least) is in sunset photos. Wow! I'm busy trying my hand at that cliche, and both this upcoming PUG and the last open PUG were velveeta sunsets. Except, this new one is on 645, and looks soo nice on a light table compared to the puny little 135! ;) (now, if only the local ritz and their frontier can effectivly make me a nice print from them, their version from the 35mm was mute and boring when compared, this time I left them a strip of 645 negs and made sure I asked them to beg the operator to punch up the saturation on the machine) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
Hi William, Well, no, Cotty. Thats not true at all. The ones that know diddly squat are also the ones shooting 25kb files that they want to get 4R prints out of. Yes. They don't want to drop them off at the lab, they don't want to leave their expensive memory card with us, as the camera doesn't work well without it, and they don't want to buy another one. It takes us quite a while to download images from the card to our printer, and if there happens to be several people wanting the same service at the same time, the lineups get rather tense. I understand. I don't even want to talk about the idiots that figure they can come back a couple of weeks later and expect that we still have their original file on our hard drive, and can we reprint it please? Yup. Sorry sir, we don't store em, and you overwrote your card? Well, we do have a digital copyprint station, and hpefully, it won't alias on your digital print. I'm with you. Digital is completely different. You can't go bad a hundred and twenty years and compare what was done then to what was done now. Modern consumers have a completely different mindset. They are no longer even pretending to be self sufficient. They are no longer willing to take on the responsibility of learning the rules of the technology they are using. Hmmm, debatable. They are expecting (demanding) digital imaging to be as easy, or easier than film, and are also demanding that the quality be significanly better, because the cost of admission is 2 to 3 times higher, and the operating costs and price per print is significantly higher. Yes, I agree - as it stands now. When they don't get their way because the product is just plain inherently inferior at doing what it ti supposed to do, they tend to lash out at the messenger. Hence the dogs ;-) That would be the people who make their pictures for them. It's no wonder we aren't sympathetic to them. I understand where your coming from and I do concur - as the situation is right now. What I am saying is that if the situation were changed, if the scenarios played out differently so that anyone taking digital pics could drop of a Digital Film module at the supermarket - heck, even be given another one in exchange - then life for the labs might be a whole lot easier. Here's how: The manufacturer makes a camera that is foolproof. You can't change things like file sizes on it - not in the conventional sense. You might have 2 or 3 ISO settings, 100, 400, 800, perhaps marked a sunny, cloudy, and indoors (and the relevant white balance attached), and that's it! Don't let them be able to fiddle with things. Keep it so simple that any lab anywhere in the world will know just by looking at the markings on the Digital Film module exactly what lies inside: a finite number of images that are known to be able to reproduce accordingly onto paper to a reasonable specification. Sure module will know which camera it is in, and accordingly how many pics it can store - the snapper looks on the back of his camera and sees that it only holds 24 pics, while in his wife's camera it holds 48. He's got a better camera and knows the fewer the pics on the module, the slightly better the quality he'll get. But he's not fussed, as the prints from his wife's camera are perfectly good. She just can't get hers blown up as well as he can on his. The point I am trying to make (in a very roundabout way ;-) is that it all needs to be made foolproof and secure from the interference of the users!!! Once that happens, the confusion will subside, things will settle down and people will understand the concept of taking pics using a digital camera and dropping them off to be processed and printed, just as they used to. Those that want to get their hands dirty and do it themselves will anyway. Just the basic family snapper - 90 percent (or whatever) of the population that uses cameras. Surely this must be something to which the foto industry aspires? Or do you think they are quite happy to leave things the way they are, in a confusing mess? They may have good reason to Appreciate your thoughts, Bill. Cheers, Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: OT: Canon and Epson photo printers
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Dan Scott wrote: I've been considering adding another printer to our collection as my wife is unhappy with her HP. I have an Epson 1270 that I'm quite happy with, but was thinking about adding a Canon (due to speed reports and favorable comments here) on her PC. However, I just came across this yesterday and I am having second thoughts: Any Canon users have experiences to share? Thanks, Dan Scott Probably wouldn't hurt to post the URL: http://drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/results.htm Thanks for any feedback. Dan Scott
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
My lab owner told me of a lady that faithfully brought in her memory cards to get prints back. One time he asked her how she backed up and saved the images. She replied that she threw the card away because it was full and would buy another to replace it. He asked her why she used the camera and she said that her husband had bought it for her and wanted her to use it. So instead of about $10.00 per roll equivalent she was spending closer to $50.00 per roll. This doesn't surprise me in the least. Had to happen somewhere. Now, when the lady handed in her memory card, what if she got back in exchange, right there and then, a freshly wiped identical card, ready to go - and was told, here you go madam, another Digital Film card, ready to put straight into your camera and use straight away. Your prints and CD will be ready in 3 hours. The memory card will become ubiquitous and pervasive - they will be given away like rolls of film on the cover of AP, in time. Cot Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lotsa stuff Digital hasn't yet reached the point where film was when George Eastman introduced the You push the button, we do the rest concept. It will happen before too long. The Direct Print Standard is a good first step in that direction. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: my kit
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to apprechiate it more and more, but I think the only places where its truly been worked to its advantage (in my shooting, at least) is in sunset photos. Wow! I'm busy trying my hand at that cliche, and both this upcoming PUG and the last open PUG were velveeta sunsets. i use Velvia on heavy overcast days and in very low contrast situations. Herb
Re: Behind the counter with digital
Am I starting to sound like Mafud on the subject? William Robb Not by a long shot Bill. Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
An then us tech-heads can all go back to film where we will have some control grin Unforunately, Cotty, you are right. For consummer digi-cams to be successful mass market items they will have to become idiot-proof. Unfortunately, because, according to Graywolf's Law: Idiot-proof = Expert-proof Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's how: The manufacturer makes a camera that is foolproof. You can't change things like file sizes on it - not in the conventional sense. You might have 2 or 3 ISO settings, 100, 400, 800, perhaps marked a sunny, cloudy, and indoors (and the relevant white balance attached), and that's it! Don't let them be able to fiddle with things. Keep it so simple that any lab anywhere in the world will know just by looking at the markings on the Digital Film module exactly what lies inside: a finite number of images that are known to be able to reproduce accordingly onto paper to a reasonable specification. Sure module will know which camera it is in, and accordingly how many pics it can store - the snapper looks on the back of his camera and sees that it only holds 24 pics, while in his wife's camera it holds 48. He's got a better camera and knows the fewer the pics on the module, the slightly better the quality he'll get. But he's not fussed, as the prints from his wife's camera are perfectly good. She just can't get hers blown up as well as he can on his. The point I am trying to make (in a very roundabout way ;-) is that it all needs to be made foolproof and secure from the interference of the users!!! Once that happens, the confusion will subside, things will settle down and people will understand the concept of taking pics using a digital camera and dropping them off to be processed and printed, just as they used to. Those that want to get their hands dirty and do it themselves will anyway. Just the basic family snapper - 90 percent (or whatever) of the population that uses cameras. Surely this must be something to which the foto industry aspires? Or do you think they are quite happy to leave things the way they are, in a confusing mess? They may have good reason to
Re: my kit
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Herb Chong wrote: i use Velvia on heavy overcast days and in very low contrast situations. Somehow, the concpet of choosing film for the moment still hasn't correctly taken hold in my head. :) Oh, I tried. For instance, when I was planning on taking autumn foilage photos, I picked up the E100SW, and then promptly didn't bother to take any fall pictures. Oh well, every day is a learning experience, I just perfer to not experience the learning. ;) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re[2]: my kit
Those are precisely the best times to use it. It can make an otherwise drab scene look just as it is intended. The time when I don't care for it, is when someone uses it to way overemphasize the color - the classic is red rock Southern Utah (Arches, Bryce, CanyonLands, etc) in nice strong lighting. The resultant images are way over the top. Used correctly and prudently, Velvia can be a formidable tool. Used poorly, it can be a garish mess. Bruce Friday, December 20, 2002, 9:27:02 AM, you wrote: HC Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to apprechiate it more and more, but I think the only places HC where its truly been worked to its advantage (in my shooting, at least) is HC in sunset photos. Wow! I'm busy trying my hand at that cliche, and both HC this upcoming PUG and the last open PUG were velveeta sunsets. HC i use Velvia on heavy overcast days and in very low contrast situations. HC Herb
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it so simple that any lab anywhere in the world will know just by looking at the markings on the Digital Film module exactly what lies inside: a finite number of images that are known to be able to reproduce accordingly onto paper to a reasonable specification. email friendliness and print friendliness are mutually exclusive right now. send a 3MB JPG file to your friend to show on the screen is still a big deal, especially when it doesn't fit on the monitor display. when it becomes not a big deal then it will be easier to do this. you should try viewing some images on a 200dpi monitor running 4Kx3K resolution. Herb
Re: Canon 1Ds (little pentax content)
Yes, by all accounts Canon and Nikon are making really excellent digital SLRs. This is worrying from the viewpoint of Pentax's eventual competitiveness in this field. With film cameras, the manufacturer has to be a good optical company. The box doesn't affect picture quality -- that depends on the lens and the film, and you can use any brand of film in any camera. In digital cameras, the greatest difference comes from the electronics, and it is hard to see Pentax, with its late start and limited range, keeping up. Except that Pentax will undoubtedly buy in the sensor and allied electronics, which will be current technology that has been researched and developed accordingly Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
In a message dated 12/20/2002 9:39:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Camera shake can (usually) be identified by examining a point light source in your photograph under a loupe. Instead of being a point as it should be, it will show a movement track. A point light source can be anything from a street light far away to the glint of the sun off a shiny surface like a car or wave. In the absence of a point light source in the picture, a difference in sharpness from edges depending on their orientation also indicates shake. Aha. Thanks. I will look for point light sources. Doe aka Marnie
Re: Vs: Hi, I am back!
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:05 AM, Raimo Korhonen wrote: Is this what it sounds like or something we Europeans/Finns do not understand? All the best! Raimo Sorry about that. Translated into standard English that would be, Welcome Raimo, please sit with us and share our company. The older I get, the more I sound like my old man. Dan Scott
OT: a joke from Cotty
I wouldn't normally post something like this, but the optician in the joke could well be using Pentax gear ;-) DISCLAIMER: I live with a Polish lady, we have Polish relatives, and they love this joke. It is posted with the utmost respect and adoration for Poland and its people who are generous and kind in the extreme - at least all the ones I know are! A Polish man goes for an eye test. The optician says Can you read the bottom line ?. The Polish man says Read it? I know him ! :-) Genkweeya Bardzo!!! Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake Aha. Thanks. I will look for point light sources. Look at this: http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/SuperProgram/ Its a sizable page, I think about 850kb. William Robb
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, MAILER-DAEMON writes: In a message dated 12/20/2002 6:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a picture with the shutter speed at double and quadruple the focal length ( with a 50mm lens, 1/30 and 1/15 of a second). Do it handheld, and don't take any precautions about the slow speed. You'll see for yourself what camera shake looks like. William Robb Good point. Hehehe. Usually I try to prevent camera shake, of course. Someone suggested I do a test back when I was saying I thought my pictures weren't as clear as a Canon shooter in the class that I took. Have her shoot handheld and with tripod and me shoot handheld and with tripod -- same subject. No longer in class, but I did mean to try that and see if I could tell a difference between my Albinar zoom and Pentax 50mm (that I bought since class). I will try that on my next roll and also see if I can see camera shake in my normal photos. Later, Doe aka Marnie OTOH, maybe I am too nearsighted to see it in normal photos, so I will try deliberate camera shake as well.
Re: Canon 1Ds (little pentax content)
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:42 AM, Cotty wrote: Except that Pentax will undoubtedly buy in the sensor and allied electronics, which will be current technology that has been researched and developed accordingly Cotty Which will be great. When I go digital, a body with the Pentax UI (ZX-5n, please) and aesthetics would be very appealing to me. Dan Scott
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
Ah yes. I still have the tripod follies on my hard drive somewhere. The Super Program shakes like a wet dog. It is a shame indeed because it is a very fine camera otherwise. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialupxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf
Re: 75mm f/2.8 for 67II
I haven't heard from him since he got married. This may speak volumes! Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital The point I am trying to make (in a very roundabout way ;-) is that it all needs to be made foolproof and secure from the interference of the users!!! Once that happens, the confusion will subside, things will settle down and people will understand the concept of taking pics using a digital camera and dropping them off to be processed and printed, just as they used to. Those that want to get their hands dirty and do it themselves will anyway. Just the basic family snapper - 90 percent (or whatever) of the population that uses cameras. Surely this must be something to which the foto industry aspires? Or do you think they are quite happy to leave things the way they are, in a confusing mess? They may have good reason to Crikey, Cotty, I said much the same thing a couple or more months ago. Make it as easy as film. Give em a switch, one way marked email, the other marked picture. The problem I see is that the cameras are being designed as computers with lenses, not as cameras with computers built in. Not that I like the interface on most film cameras these days either. William Robb
On Pentax's Digital SLR
It occurs to me that as the technology continues to improve and prices continue to drop, Pentax will pretty much have to put out a digital SLR if they want to stay in the SLR business at all. As I understand it, the $8000 units are already becoming competitive, performance-wise, with film. It's probably not so many years before they're $600 units while the $100 mass market model is better than they are now, and the new $8000 units out-perform film in a variety of ways, and then we'll see film becoming obsolete. And then, when I follow my usual pattern of buying into a technology after it's been mature for years, I'll find the usual result of the industry standardizing for simplicity and compatibility on something other than what I just bought.
Re[2]: my kit
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Bruce Dayton wrote: Those are precisely the best times to use it. It can make an otherwise drab scene look just as it is intended. The time when I don't care for it, is when someone uses it to way overemphasize the color - the classic is red rock Southern Utah (Arches, Bryce, CanyonLands, etc) in nice strong lighting. The resultant images are way over the top. At this point, I think what I've been doing is looking for situations where it is way over the top, and exploiting them.. like sunsets. Unfortuantly, the only place I've learned where this looks good is the aforementioned sunsets. I actually bought a couple rolls of Portra 400UC in 120, and perhaps next time I go out and want to shoot colour on a drab day, I'll haul them out. I've also got a roll of Agfa Ultra 100 on ice right now waiting for the right time... -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Vs: Vs: Hi, I am back!
Yeah - it happens to all of us. Thanks - it´s the thought that matters. And I am sitting here with you and a little glass of Seagram´s VO. Not bad at all. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopio: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 20. joulukuuta 2002 18:46 Aihe: Re: Vs: Hi, I am back! On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:05 AM, Raimo Korhonen wrote: Is this what it sounds like or something we Europeans/Finns do not understand? All the best! Raimo Sorry about that. Translated into standard English that would be, Welcome Raimo, please sit with us and share our company. The older I get, the more I sound like my old man. Dan Scott
Vs: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
Nah, there is no such thing as idiot-proof - because the idiots are so clever. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 20. joulukuuta 2002 18:34 Aihe: Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital An then us tech-heads can all go back to film where we will have some control grin Unforunately, Cotty, you are right. For consummer digi-cams to be successful mass market items they will have to become idiot-proof. Unfortunately, because, according to Graywolf's Law: Idiot-proof = Expert-proof Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's how: The manufacturer makes a camera that is foolproof. You can't change things like file sizes on it - not in the conventional sense. You might have 2 or 3 ISO settings, 100, 400, 800, perhaps marked a sunny, cloudy, and indoors (and the relevant white balance attached), and that's it! Don't let them be able to fiddle with things. Keep it so simple that any lab anywhere in the world will know just by looking at the markings on the Digital Film module exactly what lies inside: a finite number of images that are known to be able to reproduce accordingly onto paper to a reasonable specification. Sure module will know which camera it is in, and accordingly how many pics it can store - the snapper looks on the back of his camera and sees that it only holds 24 pics, while in his wife's camera it holds 48. He's got a better camera and knows the fewer the pics on the module, the slightly better the quality he'll get. But he's not fussed, as the prints from his wife's camera are perfectly good. She just can't get hers blown up as well as he can on his. The point I am trying to make (in a very roundabout way ;-) is that it all needs to be made foolproof and secure from the interference of the users!!! Once that happens, the confusion will subside, things will settle down and people will understand the concept of taking pics using a digital camera and dropping them off to be processed and printed, just as they used to. Those that want to get their hands dirty and do it themselves will anyway. Just the basic family snapper - 90 percent (or whatever) of the population that uses cameras. Surely this must be something to which the foto industry aspires? Or do you think they are quite happy to leave things the way they are, in a confusing mess? They may have good reason to
Vs: a joke from Cotty
Dobrze! All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 20. joulukuuta 2002 18:49 Aihe: OT: a joke from Cotty I wouldn't normally post something like this, but the optician in the joke could well be using Pentax gear ;-) DISCLAIMER: I live with a Polish lady, we have Polish relatives, and they love this joke. It is posted with the utmost respect and adoration for Poland and its people who are generous and kind in the extreme - at least all the ones I know are! A Polish man goes for an eye test. The optician says Can you read the bottom line ?. The Polish man says Read it? I know him ! :-) Genkweeya Bardzo!!! Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
email friendliness and print friendliness are mutually exclusive right now. send a 3MB JPG file to your friend to show on the screen is still a big deal, especially when it doesn't fit on the monitor display. when it becomes not a big deal then it will be easier to do this. you should try viewing some images on a 200dpi monitor running 4Kx3K resolution. Ha! Ain't this the truth... When you get back the CD with the pics on, there should be a folder marked 'Pics for email' and these can be small jpegs, say 50kb in size, 500 pixels on the longest side, ready and waiting to be sent to Aunti Sheila in Sydney ;-) Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re[3]: Behind the counter with digital
Cotty, That's great. The big problem there is that Aunti Sheila then walks into the lab with her teeny image and orders up a nice 8X10. It looked good big on the monitor. Then the lab either stupidly prints it or attempts to explain that even though it looked good on the monitor it won't look good as a big print. Sadly, I've seen my lab in this situation several times. Bruce Friday, December 20, 2002, 10:43:22 AM, you wrote: C When you get back the CD with the pics on, there should be a folder C marked 'Pics for email' and these can be small jpegs, say 50kb in size, C 500 pixels on the longest side, ready and waiting to be sent to Aunti C Sheila in Sydney ;-) C Cotty
Re: Re[3]: Behind the counter with digital
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re[3]: Behind the counter with digital Cotty, That's great. The big problem there is that Aunti Sheila then walks into the lab with her teeny image and orders up a nice 8X10. It looked good big on the monitor. Then the lab either stupidly prints it or attempts to explain that even though it looked good on the monitor it won't look good as a big print. Sadly, I've seen my lab in this situation several times. Been there. It wasn't pretty. Neither was the customer. William Robb
Re: FA645 120/4 Macro as portrait lens
What makes the 150/2.8 the best portrait lens is the ability to focus closely enough for a tight head and shoulders shot. The 150/3.5 is clumsy with extension rings and the 120/4 does have a bokeh problem. Warren I tried the new 150/2.8 in the shop once; it really impressed me for what I could see through the finder. Too bad I didn't have a loaded 645 body of mine with me then, I would have really liked to see its perormance on film. Ciao, Gianfranco = Warren Xato For where to go when you know when [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: a joke from Cotty
- Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vs: a joke from Cotty Dobrze! -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aihe: OT: a joke from Cotty Genkweeya Bardzo!!! OK, anybody else here speaks Polish?:)) Except from the Poles of course...:) BTW, I've never seen such a fonetical transcription of the word Dziekuje. I must say it looks cool and I really like it:) Regards Artur ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Re: a joke from Cotty
- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: a joke from Cotty DISCLAIMER: I live with a Polish lady, we have Polish relatives, and they love this joke. It is posted with the utmost respect and adoration for All right, you flatterer:)) BTW, greetings to your lady:)) Where do your Polish relatives live? Poland and its people who are generous and kind in the extreme - at least all the ones I know are! I hope you'll never have to change your opinion. A Polish man goes for an eye test. The optician says Can you read the bottom line ?. The Polish man says Read it? I know him ! Good:))) Regards Artur ***r-e-k-l-a-m-a** Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank
Pentax Gear for Sale
I am considering selling ALL my 35mm and Medium Format film gear. I have not made a final decision yet. Yeah going digital. It will depend on two things. Being able to sell it all at once and getting a reasonable offer. I am not going to quote prices on these items because I think the value one would place on each item across this list could be radically different. If you are interested in discussing an offer please let me know what you think is fair. Here is the complete list of equipment. I will also indicate if each item was bought new or used and what condition I consider it to be in. All equipment is fully operational, lens are all clean with smooth focus and snappy aperture rings and are free of dust and mold and no oil on the aperture blades. All in all this is very carefully handpicked gear. A very good outfit including a wide range of 35mm and medium format gear. It all looks brand new. I will not be selling any one piece at this time. Perhaps at a later time I might. If you would like to include offers on specific pieces in your reply, I will keep them and if I decide to sell each piece individually in the future your offer will be given first consideration. ItemBought Condition -- -- --- Pentax 645n medium format SLR Body Used9+ Pentax-FA 645 45-85 f/4.5 zoom lens Used9+ Pentax-FA 645 80-160 f/4.5 zoom lensUsed9+ Pentax 645 1.4 TeleconverterUsed9+ Pentax 645 2.0 TeleconverterUsed9+ Pentax 645 Helicoid Extension Tube Used9+ Pentax 220 Film Insert Used8+ Pentax 120 Film Insert Used8+ Pentax 120 Film Insert Used8+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used8+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used9+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used9 Pentax PZ1-p 35mm SLR New 9 Pentax-FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 zoom New 9+ Pentax-FA 80-320 f/4.5-5.6 zoom (silver)New 9+ Pentax-A 50mm 1.4 Used8+ Pentax-A* 300mm f/4 Used8+ Pentax-A* 200mm f/2.8 Used9 Pentax-F 50mm f/2.8 Macro New 8+ Pentax-A 28-135mm f/4 Macro ZoomUsed8 Rokinon Auto 2X Teleconverter PKUsed8 Pentax F5P Sync Cord 3 ft. New 9+ Pentax F5P Sync Cord 3 ft. New 9+ Pentax F5PL Sync Cord 9.5 ft. Used8+ Pentax Hot Shoe Adapter F New 9 Pentax Hot Shoe Adapter FG New 9 Pentax Off Camera Shoe Adapter FUsed8 Pentax Remote Cable Switch New 9+ I also have two camera bags. One Tamrac, one Canon that I use for these systems that would be availabe if wanted. Glen
Re: OT: Canon and Epson photo printers
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Dan Scott wrote: I've been considering adding another printer to our collection as my wife is unhappy with her HP. I have an Epson 1270 that I'm quite happy with, but was thinking about adding a Canon (due to speed reports and favorable comments here) on her PC. However, I just came across this yesterday and I am having second thoughts: http://drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/results.htm Oh great. Now I'm really miserable. Better tell my friends not to hang their calendars up at the office under fluorescent lighting, or at home in the kitchen but their best chance of it not fading to total ugliness is to hang it outside in natural light, then it will only fade badly. I've got an HP 950C sniff. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
Vs: a joke from Cotty
Nope. What I wrote is not dzinkuje - it is supposed to be good - dobrze - not sure about the exact spelling. I do not speak Polish but I have been there a few times. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 20. joulukuuta 2002 20:00 Aihe: Re: a joke from Cotty - Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vs: a joke from Cotty Dobrze! -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aihe: OT: a joke from Cotty Genkweeya Bardzo!!! OK, anybody else here speaks Polish?:)) Except from the Poles of course...:) BTW, I've never seen such a fonetical transcription of the word Dziekuje. I must say it looks cool and I really like it:) Regards Artur
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
Amazing. It's tough to look at those 1/30 sec frames. On 12/20/02 10:01 AM, William Robb wrote: Look at this: http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/SuperProgram/ Its a sizable page, I think about 850kb.
Re: Slide management
Hi Dave: see responses below. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Dave Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Slide management As my slide collection grows, I'm learning that chronological storage in slide trays may not be the best solution for finding slides I'm looking for quickly. So. A couple of questions. 1) What do you use as a storage medium for your slides? Slide trays? Metal boxes? Plastic sheets? Other? A mix I'm afraid. I started buying slide storage boxes, and getting others to get them for me, and wound up with a mix of wooden and plastic of all sorts of shapes and capacities. it seems no-one continues to make the same design for very long! That was when I had all my slides returned mounted: now I get them cut and sleeved, and so I keep the unmounted frames in plastic sheets (archival quality, of course). Many of the less interesting ones are in the original boxes in which they were returned. 2) Do you have a specific numbering/labeling system? How does it work? I was trying to do a rrrff (YearRollFrame) numbering system, but I'd like to hear about what you use. I use a subject classification system, in the form AANNN-NN, and store the slides accordingly. I quickly found it easier to find something by subject than try to remember when I might have taken it. 3) Software. Do you use any slide specific s/w? Something that would allow a numbering system, and category, and print labels? I was using a Thinkdb Tinybyte on my Palm for tracking this, but this is not the easiest way to enter lots of data either. I use my own program, written in the last couple of years, which allows me to track and find any frame or group of frames, whether digitised or not, by a number of references (keyword, subject, unique reference, camera, lens or film used, location, date etc.) The system will automatically create records in a searchable database from digitised images, or allow direct data entry, or loading from an existing text file. 4) Anything else Keep in mind that this is strickly hobby level, so I'm not going to be tracking 1000s of slides/year with this, nor am I able to spend hundreds of dollars to do this. It's a lot easier if you do it a film at a time - I spent yesterday cataloguing about 40 sheets of negatives from 1998!
Re: OT: ? Jupiter 9 hood?
The - Takumar 1:2.8 105mm 1:4 100 mm - metal screw-in lens hood from the old screw-mount lenses works great for me. In fact, I haven't found any of the old Takumar metal hoods that I didn't like. The new plastic clip-on or rubber hoods just don't do it for me. On Friday 20 December 2002 09:31 pm, CBWaters wrote: What hood are you folks who have the J-9 using? Thanks, Cory Actually exposed a frame of film (held in my Super Program) with light through this lens today! -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Re: a joke from Cotty
Rozmowiam troche -- zaraz slucham Czerwone Gitary :) Jezyk polski nie jest bardzo daleko od ukrainskogo... Przepraszam za pomylki. Best Mishka From: Artur Ledóchowski Subject: Re: a joke from Cotty Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:01:08 -0800 - Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vs: a joke from Cotty Dobrze! -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aihe: OT: a joke from Cotty Genkweeya Bardzo!!! OK, anybody else here speaks Polish?:)) Except from the Poles of course...:)
Re: OT: Canon and Epson photo printers
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 01:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 09:27 AM, Dan Scott wrote: I've been considering adding another printer to our collection as my wife is unhappy with her HP. I have an Epson 1270 that I'm quite happy with, but was thinking about adding a Canon (due to speed reports and favorable comments here) on her PC. However, I just came across this yesterday and I am having second thoughts: http://drycreekphoto.com/PrintTest/results.htm Oh great. Now I'm really miserable. Better tell my friends not to hang their calendars up at the office under fluorescent lighting, or at home in the kitchen but their best chance of it not fading to total ugliness is to hang it outside in natural light, then it will only fade badly. I've got an HP 950C sniff. --- Wendy Beard Don't cry Wendy. :-( Remember, the result shown is for 41 days @ 24 hours a day; 61 days @ 12 hours a day. Your images ought to make it through the month ok, don't you think?:-) Dan Scott
Re: OT: Canon and Epson photo printers
I have a Canon S800 and am very happy with it. It will print a 8X10 in about 1 minute. I am happy with the colors it produces and especially like the 6 different ink cartridges, which reduces ink expense and waste. A friend of mine is constantly impressed with it's ability to produce good blues tones for skies. I have a bunch of prints, but none up on display in any light yet, so I can't comment on that. Tony At 09:27 AM 12/20/2002 -0600, you wrote: I've been considering adding another printer to our collection as my wife is unhappy with her HP. I have an Epson 1270 that I'm quite happy with, but was thinking about adding a Canon (due to speed reports and favorable comments here) on her PC. However, I just came across this yesterday and I am having second thoughts: Any Canon users have experiences to share? Thanks, Dan Scott
Re: FS also
Also ... one of those Vivitar camera brackets. like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1946314289 excellent condition. shot rotates, but this one feels tight like it's not been moved hardly any. $30 Provia 100F RDPIII 4x5 daylight chrome 50 sheets iso100 Dated 08/2002 $50 per box. 2 available. AND ... ... all of these priced INCLUDE SHIPPING in the US. Thanks to all for your pardoning my listing stuff.
Re: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re[2]: Behind the counter with digital Crikey, Cotty, I said much the same thing a couple or more months ago. Blimey! Yes you did - I remember it. I thought I was imagining it. The old brain cells are jumping ship faster and faster these days... They have pills for that now. My mom is taking them, and you wouldn't believe the differece. She no only knows who my sister in law is again, but she hates her as much as when they first met. William Robb
R: AOHC Calendar - well done!
How many PDMLers are AOHC members? Fabio (AOHC member # 446) -Messaggio originale- Da: Chris Stoddart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Inviato: venerdì 20 dicembre 2002 12.14 A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oggetto: AOHC Calendar - well done! Hi Guys, Surpised no-one else has mentioned this...? I got my Asahi Optical Historical Club 2003 calendar yesterday along with the latest Spotmatic magazine. I'd just like to extend my congratulations to Dario and the gang for a nice Xmas pressie and producing this excellent item - tons better than the offical Pentax offering IMHO (you've seen one cute polar bear, you've seen them all! :-) ). Chris
Re: Lens sharpness vs. camera shake
Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bracing myself with my left elbow in, hand under the lens barrel, inhaling deeply, letting about 1/2 the air out of my lungs, holding and shooting between heart beats makes my photos better. A tripod makes my photos even better yet. First, let me thank the first three who replied to my thread-starting question. You clarified the matter exactly as I had hoped. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, Modern Photography's Eleanor Stecker wrote frequently on camera shake, offering creative tips for holding the camera steady when a tripod or monopod wasn't at hand. She urged readers to look around them for stabilizing aids. For example, when shooting around food, try setting the camera atop a drinking glass! I wish I would have remembered her advice to look around at Thanksgiving. My sister and I were taking a brisk walk. At her local park, I stopped to shoot a couple frames of a sign that detailed the town's history. My film speed was 100, my lens 50mm, and on that overcast day, as I recall, I had to settle for an exposure of 1/60 second at f/2.8. The results were less than satisfying. I remembered later that I could have rested the camera on my 5-foot sister's shoulder! By the way, I agree (sadly) with the comments about the Super Program. (I've owned three.) These days, I try to use it principally with flash (1/125 second) or at twice the minimal recommended (1-over-focal-length) shutter speed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Canon 1Ds (little pentax content)
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:42:12 +, you wrote: Except that Pentax will undoubtedly buy in the sensor and allied electronics, which will be current technology that has been researched and developed accordingly Cotty Pentax, true to form, will bring out the dash-N (or dash-p or II) version of their DSLR shortly after their initial DSLR hits the shelves. Pentax will add the essential and necessary features they somehow forgot to put in the initial offering. It is rumoured the P-DSLR will have a nice mechanical remote shutter release, an nice electronic remote release, and even an IR remote release. But no actual shutter button. Pentax correct this omission in the dash-N version. Sfx Sfx-n PZ1 PZ1-p Zx5 Zx5n 645n 645nII 67 67II -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Pentax Gear for Sale
I imagine there will be a lot of folks selling some of their Pentax gear, especially bodies, when the dslr comes out. It's great if you want gear but sad, too, that a digital user has no use for film anymore. Jim A. From: Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:10:25 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax Gear for Sale Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:08:08 -0500 I am considering selling ALL my 35mm and Medium Format film gear. I have not made a final decision yet. Yeah going digital. It will depend on two things. Being able to sell it all at once and getting a reasonable offer. I am not going to quote prices on these items because I think the value one would place on each item across this list could be radically different. If you are interested in discussing an offer please let me know what you think is fair. Here is the complete list of equipment. I will also indicate if each item was bought new or used and what condition I consider it to be in. All equipment is fully operational, lens are all clean with smooth focus and snappy aperture rings and are free of dust and mold and no oil on the aperture blades. All in all this is very carefully handpicked gear. A very good outfit including a wide range of 35mm and medium format gear. It all looks brand new. I will not be selling any one piece at this time. Perhaps at a later time I might. If you would like to include offers on specific pieces in your reply, I will keep them and if I decide to sell each piece individually in the future your offer will be given first consideration. Item Bought Condition -- -- --- Pentax 645n medium format SLR Body Used 9+ Pentax-FA 645 45-85 f/4.5 zoom lens Used 9+ Pentax-FA 645 80-160 f/4.5 zoom lens Used 9+ Pentax 645 1.4 Teleconverter Used 9+ Pentax 645 2.0 Teleconverter Used 9+ Pentax 645 Helicoid Extension Tube Used 9+ Pentax 220 Film InsertUsed 8+ Pentax 120 Film InsertUsed 8+ Pentax 120 Film InsertUsed 8+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used 8+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used 9+ Pentax AF500FTZ Flash Unit Used 9 Pentax PZ1-p 35mm SLR New 9 Pentax-FA 28-105 f/4-5.6 zoom New 9+ Pentax-FA 80-320 f/4.5-5.6 zoom (silver) New 9+ Pentax-A 50mm 1.4 Used 8+ Pentax-A* 300mm f/4Used 8+ Pentax-A* 200mm f/2.8 Used 9 Pentax-F 50mm f/2.8 Macro New 8+ Pentax-A 28-135mm f/4 Macro Zoom Used 8 Rokinon Auto 2X Teleconverter PK Used 8 Pentax F5P Sync Cord 3 ft. New 9+ Pentax F5P Sync Cord 3 ft. New 9+ Pentax F5PL Sync Cord 9.5 ft. Used 8+ Pentax Hot Shoe Adapter FNew 9 Pentax Hot Shoe Adapter FGNew 9 Pentax Off Camera Shoe Adapter F Used 8 Pentax Remote Cable Switch New 9+ I also have two camera bags. One Tamrac, one Canon that I use for these systems that would be availabe if wanted. Glen
Re: Market Research and Hypothetical Questions
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:57:33 +0100, you wrote: Judging from some of the posts here over the years it seems like Pentax attracted a lot of customers on price with the Z-1p. Particularly in its latter days. A common coment is that they bought it because it was cheap and had it costed the same as a similarly specified Nikon or Canon they wouldn't have bought it. Pål The PZ1p was and is still better specified than its competition, the N90, Elan, and A2e. At any price, it was and is the better camera. However, for several years the N90 or Elan or A2e prices ranged from 125% to 200% the price of a PZ1p, and each had a lesser feature set, thus making them grossly overpriced and underfeatured, not necessarily making the PZ1p a cheap alternative - just an eminently sensible alternative to one who could read a spec sheet and a price list. Had all three models been the same price, the PZ1p would still have won hands-down on feature set alone. And the Pentax PZ1p is still one of the most sensible 35mm film cameras of all time, new or used. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Slide management
Hi, Friday, December 20, 2002, 2:26:43 PM, you wrote: As my slide collection grows, I'm learning that chronological storage in slide trays may not be the best solution for finding slides I'm looking for quickly. This has come up a few times before, so apologies to people who've read this reply (and weak jokes) before: 1. using archival clear negative / slide pages, file one film per page. Give it a unique number written on the page or on a label stuck to the page. 2. Write a caption sheet for each film. The sheet has the same number as the film, of course. Keep the sheet with the film 3. Store the film and caption pages in an archival ring binder. 4. Keep an index page at the front of each binder with a one-line description of each film, in film number order. 5. Give the ring binder index page a unique number. 6. Write the start and end film number on the outside of the binder. It might also be useful to date the binders. Once you've done the initial work they should be chronological if you're keeping up with it. However, you have to be a bit like Michael Palin's fiancee in the film The Missionary. 7. Store the binders in sequence on your extensive shelving in a humidity and temperature controlled environment guaranteed to withstand earthquakes, nuclear attacks and insect infestations. Or shove them under your bed. This doesn't make things easy to find, but using the caption sheets with their film/frame numbers and the binder number it's a very simple matter, but extraordinarily tedious, to type the information into a spreadsheet or cheap dbms such as Access or Ocelot which give you more sophisticated search facilities. Whenever you print a frame or label a slide you should include the binder, film and frame number so you know where it belongs and can find the negative for the print very quickly. Some places, such as www.silverprint.co.uk, will happily sell you archival negative pages and binders. --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia
Re: Slide management
Dave Kennedy wrote: As my slide collection grows, I'm learning that chronological storage in slide trays may not be the best solution for finding slides I'm looking for quickly. So. A couple of questions. 1) What do you use as a storage medium for your slides? Slide trays? Metal boxes? Plastic sheets? Other? Archival plastic sheets that hold 20 slides/sheet fit into 3 ring binders 2) Do you have a specific numbering/labeling system? How does it work? I was trying to do a rrrff (YearRollFrame) numbering system, but I'd like to hear about what you use. Numbered by roll/frame. Frames are renumbered to eliminate numerical gaps caused by images that I threw away. 3) Software. Do you use any slide specific s/w? Something that would allow a numbering system, and category, and print labels? I was using a Thinkdb Tinybyte on my Palm for tracking this, but this is not the easiest way to enter lots of data either. I structured a database with Paradox to meet my needs, the database is sorted by roll and frame numbers. Paradox was originally created by Borland and sold to Corel a number of years ago, I started using Paradox before Microsoft developed Access. I use queries on fields in the database to find slides, usually on the subject or location fields. 4) Anything else Keep in mind that this is strickly hobby level, so I'm not going to be tracking 1000s of slides/year with this, nor am I able to spend hundreds of dollars to do this. Try to use a system that can last you a lifetime, it could be a lot of work transferring information to a new system (obligatory pentax comment - they are all taken on Pentax gear :-) Mine also. dk = Dave Kennedy Arnprior, Ont. Canada. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com
OT: printer repair info
my Epson 1270 printer has died, i think from overuse. the head assembly stutters and doesn't slide properly on the carriage anymore. my attempts at lubricating help a little, but not enough to let me print even a 4x6 inch page. i have replaced it with a 1280, but i am interested in attempting to revive the printer. does anyone know of a mailing list for Epson 12xx printers? i'd like to find out about the possibility of disassembling it and attempting to lube/clean the rail or to possibly find a replacement head/carriage assembly. Herb
500/4.5 too slow? Try a 500 f/4
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Re: OT: printer repair info
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 10:23 PM, Herb Chong wrote: my Epson 1270 printer has died, i think from overuse. the head assembly stutters and doesn't slide properly on the carriage anymore. my attempts at lubricating help a little, but not enough to let me print even a 4x6 inch page. i have replaced it with a 1280, but i am interested in attempting to revive the printer. does anyone know of a mailing list for Epson 12xx printers? i'd like to find out about the possibility of disassembling it and attempting to lube/clean the rail or to possibly find a replacement head/carriage assembly. Herb Herb, Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inkjetepson/ Dan Scott
Re: printer repair info
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong Subject: OT: printer repair info my Epson 1270 printer has died, i think from overuse. the head assembly stutters and doesn't slide properly on the carriage anymore. my attempts at lubricating help a little, but not enough to let me print even a 4x6 inch page. i have replaced it with a 1280, but i am interested in attempting to revive the printer. does anyone know of a mailing list for Epson 12xx printers? i'd like to find out about the possibility of disassembling it and attempting to lube/clean the rail or to possibly find a replacement head/carriage assembly. A friend of mine says to try cleaning the rail with lighter fluid. Be careful not to get it on the plastic parts though. William Robb
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Re: 500/4.5 too slow? Try a 500 f/4
Hmmm, I think I'd rather have the Nikkor 85/1.5. Anyone know anything about that lens? t On 12/20/02 9:12 PM, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Sigma XQ 500 f/4; photo shown (T mount?), $1199 Canadian http://www.camera-exchange.com/teasers.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slide management
Mark, could you contact me off-line please? I tried to send you a message but got it rejected as it does not have RFC2554 certification (?) John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: Re: Slide management SNIP I just keep information in an Excel spreadsheet. Still considering photo-specific software. I may end up writing something in Access to do what I want. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
