Re: Agfa Scala and Spotmatic

2003-03-08 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp,
Robert Woerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I might load up the ol' Spottie with some Scala and shoot some pics of my one year 
> old. Any suggestions for speed rating? Filters? I plan to shoot outdoors, sunny 
> conditions, using Super Tak 50 f1.4 and/or Super Tak 135 f3.5.

I recently did some outdoor shots with scala and a Cokin Sepia filter.
I chose an overcast day, as my intent was to get a contrasty background with the 
storm clouds. The effects with different DOF was quite interesting.
I have not used this film in sunny conditions, but I did find it tended to 
under expose with the use of a flash, much the same as Fuji Velvia.

I have also pushed Scala to 1600 with good results, later this week I hope to
get out and push it to 3200 and see some funky grain.

I would be most keen to see some of your results, both the good the not so
good. The not so good I am particularly interested in as I would like to 
get to know this film better.

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: OT: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there

2003-03-08 Thread Paul Jones
Hi Guys,

I'm shooting some stuff for a magazine and i'm using printing film and
supplying the tiff files(edited down) and all the negs. I have been
considering just submitting the negs that i scan, but cant think of a decent
way to present them, if it were slides it would be easier, as i could just
mount the ones i want to submit.

Any suggestions?

Regards,
Paul

- Original Message -
From: "Stan Halpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there


> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> My question to all of you:
> >> How do YOU handle your proofs when handing them back to clients?  Do
you
> >> sort and only hand the good ones back or do you give them the whole 9
yards
> >> so they know you're not holding anything back?
> >>
> >> I'm curious as this is sort of "new" per se to me.
> >>
> >> Gracias,
> >> Dave
>
> on 3/07/03 5:58 PM, Bruce Rubenstein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I never give an unedited set of pictures to anyone. Don't let clients
> > get confused with too many choices. Certainly don't let them know that
> > you take anything other than great shots.
> >
> > BR
> >
>
> I agree with Bruce. Too many shots are confusing, you don't want to expose
> your bad shots. And besides, if you give them a whole tabletop of photos,
it
> gives the impression that photos are cheap. And then they'll complain
about
> the pricing...
>
> One quibble, going back to threads over the last few months reference one
or
> two gallery shows: don't rely on yourself to be the sole editor - get
> someone else to help you pick the "best" 10-15 shots you give to the
client
> from which they will select 6-8.
>
> My $.02
>
> Stan
>



Agfa Scala and Spotmatic

2003-03-08 Thread Robert Woerner
Hi all,

I might load up the ol' Spottie with some Scala and shoot some pics of my one year 
old. Any suggestions for speed rating? Filters? I plan to shoot outdoors, sunny 
conditions, using Super Tak 50 f1.4 and/or Super Tak 135 f3.5.

Thanks in advance,

Robert

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fs tamron 14mm 2.8mm for pentax

2003-03-08 Thread KANGA
good lens for 21mm on the new pentax dslr
in mint condition with box $970 Australian dollars
shipped anywhere in the world
i accept paypal



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OT: New Canon photo printers

2003-03-08 Thread Rob Studdert
Is anyone considering purchasing one of the new Canon i9100 photo printers?

I wonder how it will stack up against the Epson 2100/2200?

Cheers,

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Re: Why my lens doesn't work.

2003-03-08 Thread John Mustarde
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:37:47 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>I think I figured out why my Kalimar 500mm reflex seems to give washed-out
>pictures.
>
>Because it's crap.
>
>I took pictures of the same scene, one with an old Sears 80-200mm with
>cheap 2x TC, and one with the Kalimar.  The zoom plus TC combination had
>better contrast and colors.
>
>So now I'm starting to think of a new lens in that range, even though it
>will take some time before I can work it into my finances.  I plan to
>spend around $600.  So what are my options?  At that price point, the
>Sigma 170-500mm f/5.6-6.3 looks like about all there is.  There's a Sigma
>reflex, but I don't think I want to go with another manual focus reflex, I
>want AF and adjustable aperture.  And I'll probably use it with a TC, I
>do want to be able to get somewhere in the 1000mm range.
>
>I know there's the Pentax 600mm's for around $2000 and up... ain't gonna
>happen.
>
>Are there any treasures that I've missed?

Treasures:

Pentax F* 300/4.5 - you'll never regret it.

Sigma 300/4 Macro plus a good 1.4x TC: very versatile, very close
focusing, very good optics.

Sigma 400/5.6 APO Macro (not the non-Macro version): same family as
the Sigma 300/4 APO Macro: very good optics. But the 300/4 Macro plus
TC combo is slightly smaller and more versatile.

For just a little more money, there's the Tokina AT-X 300/2.8 plus
Pentax 1.7x AF Adapter. It's not fully an autofocus lens, but it does
pretty good. At 510mm/f5, it's a very fast long lens for under $1000.

If you really want the Sigma 170-500 or Sigma 50-500m be sure to test
them first. The 50-500 is very unwieldy, and I've seen a couple of
owners report it is a poor lens. Plus it's slow at the long end.

If you really want 1000mm, just stack some TC's. Stacked TC's won't
hurt the image quality, compared to any other 1000mm option out there.

--
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www.photolin.com



Re: Size of *ist D

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
People making judgments on cameras, or any number of other things for 
that matter, based on pictures and spec sheets is really funny. Neither 
one of those things will give you any idea what it's like to use one. I 
got to play with the Kodak 14n at Photo Expo. I was impress with how 
solid it felt with a magnesium body (the main body casting is made by 
Kodak and not Nikon) and how smooth and vibration free the camera was 
when fired. It also felt good in the hand.

BR

On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 11:35  AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

I have only one thing to say, when I looked at the picture and noticed
new Kodak camera (the 14 MP one), it made me feel immediately as if I
was looking at some Borg technology. Man, it looks ugly...




Re: a quick and inexpensive fix to the wide angle problem

2003-03-08 Thread John Mustarde
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:47:47 +1030, you wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4688&item=2915302067&rd=1
>
>has any one used these lenses
>put this lens on the 31mm and it becomes a 13mm or 19.5mm on the digital. it
>wont matter if it is soft at the corners cos you wont see them
>put it on the 24mm 2.8 and it becomes a 10.5mm or a 16mm on digital
>

I have a similar lens, originally bought for an Epson digicam to get
some wide angle closeups of machinery. 

It is a fun toy. When the images are downsampled to web resolution and
sharpened, it doesn't do too bad, except for excessive flare and
vignetting. 

I've never had a print made from anything shot with this attachment,
so I can't speak for how well or poorly it makes prints. At full 6 mb
DSLR resolution it is soft all over, but again not as bad as some
lenses I've seen. 

Here's some shots. The primary lens was a CPC Phase 2 28mm/f2.8 Macro,
which by the way is a fairly sharp lens all by itself.

The fisheye attachment flares a lot:
http://www.photolin.com/misc/at001.jpg

...and in case you didn't notice the vignetting in the first shot:
http://www.photolin.com/misc/at002.jpg

and it's a way to get yourself, or at least your shadow, in the photo:
http://www.photolin.com/misc/at003.jpg



--
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www.photolin.com



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Somehow, I don't think that you've ever been here:

http://www.photonews.net/cgi-bin/pagemage.pl?SHOWPAGE=index.html

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No doubt,
there are "so-called" working photographers lurking in
the forum somewhere trying to help and promote the
industry, but I would exercise my judgement as to what
is fact and what is hearsay, expecially when they are
coming from the net.. 





Re: No respect (again...)

2003-03-08 Thread Treena
Actually, I laughed out loud when I read that. My husband is a police
detective, so I hang out with cops. When it comes to foul language, I've
heard it all. And then some. 

- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: No respect (again...)


> I've been know to use foul language, for effect. You also would have if
> I had publicly commented that I thought the *ist was a "chick camera".
>
> BR
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Oh, Bruce ... I don't kill-file anyone, and believe me - it takes far
more
> >than you to tempt me. I'm pretty thick-skinned. Just out of morbid
> >curiosity, for what should I have kill-filed you?
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Nice photo

2003-03-08 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 12:50  PM, William Robb wrote:



http://www.photoblink.com/imageView.asp?ImageID=59147

William Robb


Great shot.

And it's amazing the things can fly. There's a lot of people around 
here who're built somewhat like that and I'm pretty sure most of them 
can't fly (I pretty sure they can't run, for that matter). ;-)

Is it just me, or do the photos from Canon's digital cameras look 
better than photos from their film cameras?

Dan Scott




Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Rick Diaz

--- KT Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03.3.8 0:46 PM, "William Robb"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> No, no, the term gadget freak is NOT the exclusive
> honourably mention of
> Japanese alone :-).  Certainly not an ethnic slur
> although I used it quite
> often to laugh at ourselves.

Or a hardware junky perhaps.  We all, in one way or
another, do it.  As long as it is a hobby done in
moderation, then it is fine.  What I've seen many
times in my professional career is seeing many
amateurs got themselves into trouble by buying every
single known high-end equipment known in the
pro-forum, hoping to emulate or achieve some sort of
simulated pro-stature only to be dissappointed by
their lack of self accomplishment.  Many people on
this forum will always dream of becoming a pro and
that's a healthy dream. 

Most working photographers earn the same decent living
as everyone here, which is nothing to write home
about.  These photographers have to put food on the
table and pay bills just like everybody else. And to
suggest that working photographers can afford
expensive cameras on a yearly basis is an odd thing to
say.  Unless you know of many photographers who make a
6 to 8 figures salary, the rest are just slaving away
at their jobs.  Equipment upgrade is probably the last
thing on their minds, since it means having to provide
the cash outlay from somewhere to finance the
equipment purchase.  I have seen a lot of promising
working photographers who are talented artists only to
have done extremely poor business wise.  

Of the many working professionals I know and have met
during my career as a photographer, most to all of
them don't *want* to have anything to do with
photography at all after work.  After an 8 hours shift
with your camera, do you really want to spend another
4 hours in front of your computer talking about the
subject you already spent 8 hrs earlier?  Unless you
are a "no-life" photographer, I suspect most pro
photographers spend most of their off hours time with
their wives, girlfriends and their kids.  No doubt,
there are "so-called" working photographers lurking in
the forum somewhere trying to help and promote the
industry, but I would exercise my judgement as to what
is fact and what is hearsay, expecially when they are
coming from the net..  It is strange that we have put
so much faith on the net that we believe what every
single person on the pro-forum has said even without
doing any of your own due dilligence.   
Remember what caused people to loose their shirt with
Enron and Global Crossings?  Buying stocks based on
hearsay on the net..

Now, where are the real pros??  When you are famous
and well respected in your field, you don't need to
sell yourself on the net that you are one of the one
right?  These are confident people that do not need to
hide behind the technology of the camera.  He and she
can be just as confident with a low-end point and
shooter and a Brownie box.  It is that confidence that
sets us apart from being a real pro or being a pro
wannabe or a working professional!

Rick...


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Re: Size of *ist D

2003-03-08 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 11:35  AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

I have only one thing to say, when I looked at the picture and noticed
new Kodak camera (the 14 MP one), it made me feel immediately as if I
was looking at some Borg technology. Man, it looks ugly...
---
Boris Liberman
Indeed it does.

Dan Scott



Re: OT: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there

2003-03-08 Thread Pat White
I always weed out the pictures that are technically imperfect, or  that make
the subject look bad.  The only exception is when the model can learn from
poses that don't work.  "See, this is why I remind you to suck in your
stomach..."

Pat White




eBay & Boz's site

2003-03-08 Thread Gary L. Murphy
Anyone seen this auction? Seems he "borrowed" some HTML from Boz's web 
site...   :-(

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2914593525&category=15240



--
Later,
Gary


Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 10:51 AM, "KT Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 03.3.8 9:51 AM, "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> The most significant thing that current D60 users are wondering about is
>> if the AF of the 10D is improved.

> I do not read much about N/C digital forums (in Japan) but I was interested
> in 10D in comparison with the coming *ist D and might start  dropping in
> these "other" forums to investigate what's going on in the "other world".
[snipped]
> There are a lot of real world examples coming out and one of the things
> people are raving about 10D is its high ISO performance (far less noise).
> Please take a look at the photo in;
> 
> http://www.thisistanaka.com/diary/new.html

I do not peek into these C/N/M forums because they are usually full of crap
with flame war, but I do get a lot of info from pro photographers forums
like here.  Great sources of info.
Most of the info I find in Japan which I pass on are usually from pro
photographers.  Many of them even have their own sites and we can get a
great deal of advanced info on equipment as they usually have privilege of
getting equipment for beta testing etc.

The one I quoted above is from one of those well known photographers in
Japan, and he writes everyday (well, almost) his impression on "actual"
testing of the latest digicam in a form of "diary" or essay.  They are
usually short but very pointing and the first hand impression.  Unlike other
pro photographers' sites wherein most of the talks is on "pro" equipment
such as 1Ds etc (there are tons of that info :-), he reviews just about
every digicam on the earth. I wish I could translate them everyday (he also
has a great style of writing, sometimes downright funny :-) but obviously
cannot.  His latest diary subject is about Kodak Pro 14n which he obviously
got for the testing.  Among other things he is saying, good or bad about it,
is that it was too bad it was based on F801 and wished it was based on at
least F100.  Canon 1Ds is based on the top model EOS-1V and he immediately
felt the HUGE difference (so he says).

As long as DSLRs are concerned, Canon is indeed at least one generation
ahead of Nikon who seems to have stopped and been wandering now.  We shall
see how much Pentax learned from the market and made improvements over
others.

Talking about Kodak 14n, there are tons of published test info but so far,
it appears to be mixed.  This CMOS was the product of the joint effort by a
small venture in Belgium (FillFactory) and Kodak which eliminated low pass
filter and on chip microlens (first adopted by Sony essentially to increase
the lost sensitivity due to more pixel density) .  But the review indicates
that the very elimination of these is actually causing problems such as
moire and CA etc which were to be eliminated by their technology in the
first place.  So, the first full frame sensor on the Nikon based body seem
to have a long way to go.  Perhaps Nikon is watching how the Kodak effort
would go.

I only hope that Pentax's earlier attempt to employ full frame sensor gave
them invaluable data which should be reflected in the upcoming *ist D.  If
the CCD is a custom one developed by Sony and Pentax as the rumour has it, I
would like to think that those two companies arrested all known problems and
made necvessary improvements.
Can't wait for their fixing the firmware and announce the firm spec.  If I
found any beta testing info which should crop up sooner or later, I will of
course pass it on.

Cheers,

Ken



useful tamron 17mm hood a must read for 20mm and 24mm users

2003-03-08 Thread adphoto
just out of curiosity i tried my tamron 17mm hood on my pentax fa 20mm and
it fits. i am assuming that the fa 24mm f2 is the same size so therefore it
would fit too. i now mount a b+w 82mm polariser in the hood permanetly well
it means one less polariser to carry.
also as the 20mm only comes with a screw in hood i like being able to use
the polariser and a hood



Re: K50/1.2 lost in transit

2003-03-08 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
Then there are those items that get set aside for 
"inspection".

I lost mail (letters) to and from 'Oz this past Christmas.   First time 
that has happened in many years.

Otis

Rob Studdert wrote:

On 8 Mar 2003 at 10:50, Craig Schroeder wrote:

 

The 2 times that I bought things out of Australia over the last few 
years both took an extraordinary amount of time to arrive in the US. 
One of the items suffered from an assumption of  meaning by the seller 
that "I'll get it out right away" that really meant about a week later, 
but it still was in transit for a long time.  Good luck!
   

Items that I send to the US often arrive in 5 to 7 days via EconomyAir, 
laziness isn't part of the shipping equation :-(

Thanks to all for the help.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Pentax user since 1986 PDMLer since 1998
 





Re: Canon FS4000 (was: Agfa Scala)

2003-03-08 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:19:36 +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> [...] The FS4000 however has not let me down when scanning 35mm
> negs or color slide or color positives.

I've been quite pleased with mine.  Just be aware that at 4000 dpi
you'll start pulling the grain out of some film types, resulting in a
"speckly" chroma noise appearance, especially in light colored areas.

For stuff that you're not planning to print large, 2000 dpi will do
fine and show less of the "chroma noise".  For stuff you are going to
print large, scan at 4000 dpi and futz around with selective Gaussian
blur and such like to reduce the "chroma noise" where it's noticable.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Why my lens doesn't work.

2003-03-08 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:37:47 -0500 (EST), Gregory L. Hansen wrote:

> Are there any treasures that I've missed?

The Sigma APO Macro 400/5.6 should be well within your US$600 limit.  I
got mine new on closeout for about US$525 or US$550.  I've been very
happy with it, and the 2.9 or 3m close focus is handy.  Removable
tripod collar and built in hood.  77mm filters, IIRC.  AF limiter and
AF/MF switch.  In MF mode it can do trap focus, unlike some AF lenses.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Why my lens doesn't work.

2003-03-08 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Gregory L. Hansen wrote:

> At that price point, the Sigma 170-500mm f/5.6-6.3 looks like about
> all there is.  There's a Sigma reflex, but I don't think I want to go
> with another manual focus reflex, I want AF and adjustable aperture.
> And I'll probably use it with a TC, I do want to be able to get
> somewhere in the 1000mm range.
[snip]
> Are there any treasures that I've missed?

Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3 APO EX RF.  Used ones run about $600 on eBay.  A
bit shorter (and less money): Tokina AF 400mm f5.6 AT-X SD.  One just sold
on eBay for $250 in Pentax AF.

chris



RE: Photographer and family shots (Was: On Topic or Seeking some advise)

2003-03-08 Thread Simon King
Lasse wrote:
>So, you - do - use the word "corral" for it. I knew it only for horses
>from cowboy stories.
>Do the/you British call it the same?

Hi Lasse,
In Australia we still call them a Playpen.
Both our parents and grandparents have said that parents love them, and kids
hate them. 
We borrowed one from an aunt, and our son was less than impressed...
http://wwwstaff.murdoch.edu.au/~sking/pages/playpen.htm
Maybe kids are too spoiled these days. :-)
Simon



Why my lens doesn't work.

2003-03-08 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
I think I figured out why my Kalimar 500mm reflex seems to give washed-out
pictures.

Because it's crap.

I took pictures of the same scene, one with an old Sears 80-200mm with
cheap 2x TC, and one with the Kalimar.  The zoom plus TC combination had
better contrast and colors.

So now I'm starting to think of a new lens in that range, even though it
will take some time before I can work it into my finances.  I plan to
spend around $600.  So what are my options?  At that price point, the
Sigma 170-500mm f/5.6-6.3 looks like about all there is.  There's a Sigma
reflex, but I don't think I want to go with another manual focus reflex, I
want AF and adjustable aperture.  And I'll probably use it with a TC, I
do want to be able to get somewhere in the 1000mm range.

I know there's the Pentax 600mm's for around $2000 and up... ain't gonna
happen.

Are there any treasures that I've missed?



Re: Takumar-A 70-200

2003-03-08 Thread Keith Whaley
Only if it has reeded edges. I've had any number of smooth edged toits
and they always slip away and roll under the bed or dresser or
workbench. 
Thanks for the offer, tho'. What a guy!  

keith

Bill Owens wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> I have a round toit somewhere around the house, want me to send it to you ?
> 
> :-)
> 
> Bill
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Takumar-A 70-200
> 
> > I have one too, and the f/l collar moves WAY too easily, forward and aft.
> > I have some moisture or liquid inside mine, on th front elements, and
> > am waiting until I get a round toit, to get it cleaned and checked out.
> > I'm anxious to use it, so maybe I'll get off my duff and turn it in to
> > my repair guy!
> >
> > keith whaley
> >
> > Taz wrote:
> > >
> > > I had one exactly like that with same issue.  Although it was smooth as
> silk
> > > and I felt no slop anywhere's it moved too easily.  I miss that lens
> though
> > > because I found it to be extremely sharp.  I just used mine as was and
> never
> > > had any problems with it and sold it to one of my friends.  He's still
> using
> > > it.
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Pentax Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 PM
> > > Subject: Takumar-A 70-200
> > >
> > > > I just purchased one of the above lenses for my 12 year old grand
> > > > daughter. Does anyone have or had this lens? The zoom on this one is
> > > > extremly sloppy. Is that a "normal" thing for a Takumar zoom?
> > > >
> > > > Also, is this easly fixed and, if so, about how much would it cost to
> > > > repair?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Later,
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > >
> >



Re: Nice photo

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
That is a great shot. Aside from all the other things needed for a great 
shot like that, it demonstrated that equipment counts. With a 600mm lens 
with 1.4x converter, you need really good glass, and the shallow DOF of 
an effective 840mm lens with a moving subject demands great AF.

BR

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http://www.photoblink.com/imageView.asp?ImageID=59147

William Robb

 





Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 0:46 PM, "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had never thought that the term was a slur of any particular ethnic group,
> Japanese or otherwise.

Hi William,

No, no, the term gadget freak is NOT the exclusive honourably mention of
Japanese alone :-).  Certainly not an ethnic slur although I used it quite
often to laugh at ourselves.

Since this was mentioned, I might say (I could be wrong) that Japanese in
general might be somewhat more gadget freak than any other tribes and
species.  It is only evident when you go to infamous Akihabara electronics
district in Tokyo.
I do not know whether it was because of culture or the general stature (they
are getting big these days BTW), they (we?) tend to be good at
miniaturization which also feeds this gadget freak culture (yes, it is
almost a culture in my opinion).  It probably contributed to the advancement
of the things like camera and small electronic gadgets.  But when it goes to
extreme with nowhere else to go, it creates things like, well, button laden
M** electronic robot for example.  I hope they are reconsidering it
though.

But that's just my theory and I do not wish to start the whole OT here.

Cheers,

Ken



Nice photo

2003-03-08 Thread William Robb


http://www.photoblink.com/imageView.asp?ImageID=59147


William Robb



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 0:39 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I enjoy using them, but I can enjoy collecting them too.
> So don't take the gadget freak comment as an ethnic slur.  Most of us here
> are a bit of gadget freaks.

Hi Bob and all,

Oh, no I never took it as an ethnic slur.  I did not think BR was THAT bad
:-).  I was just laughing at myself.  I just thought that BR, when I amused
myself as a gadget freak which I do quite often (as I have various other
hobbies involving some sort of gadgets), was using it to enhance his
"know-it-all" attitude.  But thank you for your concern ;-).

> Bruce is a bit like the odd cousin we all have, a pain in the a** at times,
> but still family.

True.  I thought he was changing a bit and started contributing to the list
with more useful posts.  In fact, my comment (the one talked about the ISO
performance etc) was intended as a reconciliatory one and that's why I
started with "Hi Bruce".  To tell the truth, I do not have much of the
problem with some of his "bad" posts.  The only thing I have an issue with
is his seemingly degrading remarks on Pentax users.  Why do I care whether
he tried to degrade Pentax? :-).  It's Pentax's problem but not mine :-).
But we all know the truth, don't we?
Sometimes I am bored and have to stimulate my self-righteous mind to police
BR's behaviours in otherwise very decent list, and I am more worried about
littering this list with unpleasant and combative posts which I will begin
to cease as I thought I made a point sufficiently by now :-).

Yes, he is still our family.  In fact, I think he wants to return to this
list as a more legitimate member after getting sick of other brand and
impressed by the return of Pentax :-)).  It is about the time to make his
return more comfortable isn't it? :-).

Cheers,

Ken



Re: Updating the big zooms

2003-03-08 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On Saturday, Mar 8, 2003, at 16:19 Europe/Warsaw, Matti Etelapera wrote:

Hi,

the 28-70 and 80-200/2.8 FA*´s are getting older and don´t match the
modern Pentax AF line very well in terms of apperance and features. If
Pentax intends to make replacements for them why not introduce a 
totally
new line of high grade f:3.5 zooms? Just think about it: smaller, 
lighter
and cheaper with the cost of a half a stop. Make them match the new
cameras and ditch the power zoom.

Nice black FA*'s 16-35/3.5, 24-70/3.5 and 70-200/3.5 would be 
something...
Well, that would be something nice - but I'd prefere them in KAF3 mount 
- with built-in USM motors :-)

Regards
Sylwek



RE: Updating the big zooms

2003-03-08 Thread tom
I'd be pretty pissed if the 28-70/2.8 was replaced with a 3.5.

A 24-70/2.8 would make me very happy.

tv


> -Original Message-
> From: Matti Etelapera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Hi,
>
> the 28-70 and 80-200/2.8 FA*´s are getting older and don´t match the
> modern Pentax AF line very well in terms of apperance and
> features. If
> Pentax intends to make replacements for them why not
> introduce a totally
> new line of high grade f:3.5 zooms? Just think about it:
> smaller, lighter
> and cheaper with the cost of a half a stop. Make them match the new
> cameras and ditch the power zoom.
>
> Nice black FA*'s 16-35/3.5, 24-70/3.5 and 70-200/3.5 would
> be something...
>
>   -Matti
>




Re: OT Agfa APX

2003-03-08 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 8, 2003 10:32 am, Caveman wrote:
> Nick Zentena wrote:
> > OTOH APX 400 should never be pushed. You can pull
> > it to 200.
>
> The film box, european version, is printed inside with the development
> times for EI 400 and 1600.


Doesn't mean you have to-)) I guess I should have said IMHO you shouldn't 
push it. The Canadian film ships with the same info. At least the box of 120 
I had in the fridge.

Nick



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 8, 2003 12:46 pm, William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: Bob S
>
> Subject: Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.
>
> > Ken,
> >  There are a lot of gadget freaks.
>
> Gotta toss my two cents worth in. I am very much a gadget freak, and could
> never be confused for a Japanese person, though I am quite easily confused.
> I had never thought that the term was a slur of any particular ethnic
> group, Japanese or otherwise.


To me gadget freak means collector-)))

Nick



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Bob S

Subject: Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.


> Ken,
>  There are a lot of gadget freaks.

Gotta toss my two cents worth in. I am very much a gadget freak, and could
never be confused for a Japanese person, though I am quite easily confused.
I had never thought that the term was a slur of any particular ethnic group,
Japanese or otherwise.

William Robb



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Rfsindg
Ken,
 There are a lot of gadget freaks.  Most are not Japanese.  Most are in 
fields other than cameras.  Try computers, high fidelity audio or video 
equipment, toy trains, vintage autos, cell phones, or motorcycles just to 
name a few that I could be drawn into.  
 Here in the USA, we have begun to celebrate our freakiness.  The lovers 
of tinkering with autos and motorcycles refer to themselves as 'Gear Heads' 
much as lovers of the Band 'Grateful Dead' refer to themselves as 'Dead 
Heads'.  After some self examination, I am comfortable with collecting 
cameras and lenses.  I enjoy using them, but I can enjoy collecting them too. 
 So don't take the gadget freak comment as an ethnic slur.  Most of us here 
are a bit of gadget freaks.  (Who else would have spent 3 days and 600 posts 
discussing a camera they had never seen or touched or used in any way?)
 As for your other wish, I don't think humility will ever be in Bruce's 
nature.  I think we could blame it on New York City, but that's not all the 
problem.  Tokyo and London are as crowded and bustling as the city of New 
York, but their residents have a reputation for much more civilized behavior. 
 Bruce is a bit like the odd cousin we all have, a pain in the a** at times, 
but still family.
Regards,  Bob S.
 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Gadget freak is usually used to stereotype and poke fun of Japanese people

> ...and learn to be humble and gracious, like most of people here are.



Re: Size of *ist D

2003-03-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I have only one thing to say, when I looked at the picture and noticed
new Kodak camera (the 14 MP one), it made me feel immediately as if I
was looking at some Borg technology. Man, it looks ugly...

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Re: New guy has *ist questions...

2003-03-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Mtc> 1) Will the *ist indeed work with all K-variants (ie Bojidar
Mtc> Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount list) back to original K?

I think that I've read someplace among myriad of *ist* posts that both
film and digi *ists are going to be fully compatible with all K mount
lenses.

Mtc> 2) Using an M42 to K adaptor opens up another range of lens
Mtc> options. Given no aperture lug communication between the M42 and
Mtc> the *ist body, how would AE work? Would M42 to K on an *ist even
Mtc> work at all? (Sorry, I have been living in sod hut.. 1/2 of my
Mtc> cameras don't even use batteries!)

Indeed, you would be able to use them, but you'd have to accept
loosing open aperture metering. That is, you would have to close the
aperture manually in order to get it metered and in order to actually
make the shot. Otherwise, you would get the results.

Mtc> 3) If not *ist, what else in the current Pentax lineup might I
Mtc> consider? First priority is modern feature set including
Mtc> whiz-bang predictive AF, wireless e-TTL flash, and all the
Mtc> "what's possible".

I have ZX-L which is seemingly one of the predecessors of *ists. It
costed me $250 a year ago from B&H (www.bhphoto.com). I took the body
only, not a kit with lowest level zoom lens. Both ZX-L and *ist (*ist
by the spec) have very poor viewfinder. Since you're coming from
manual focus land, perhaps ZX-5n is an option for you, as it has way
better viewfinder. By the time I was making my choice, it's price was
$320, again without the lens.

It does not have some of the whiz-bang as you put it, but it is solid
camera that I think now I should have bought then...

Mtc> 4) Anyone know what street price on the *ist might be?

Sorry, no help here.

Good hunting...

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Re: Make contact prints without enlarger?

2003-03-08 Thread gfen
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Tonghang Zhou wrote:
> I've never done any printing myself, but I was reading
> about making contact prints from negatives, and it would
> seem unnecessary to use an enlarger for this purpose.

This is true..however, the negative has to be big enogh to see something
in if you'll be doing anything but proof sheets.

For instance, I've just (finally!) begun contact printing my 4x5 negs.

Well, sorta.. will just (finally!) beGIN contact printing my 4x5 negs. :)

> It seems you'll just need a contact frame and a way to

A piece of glass laid over the neg and the paper works, too. My $10
antique frame from Ebay is essentially that and the fact that you can
tighten the glass against the neg with pressure applied from the metal
brackets on the back of the frame.

> shine light onto it.  Of course I don't know how you'd
> control the exposure time.  Anyone like to explain this
> process?

Practice. The last few I've done were at my friends house using his
enlarger as a source light. Expsoure times are usually short through his
lens, on the order of about 10 seconds.

Since I sitll don't have an enlarger (sigh, the saga that NEVER ENDS!),
I'll be using a 15 or smaller watt light bulb in a can fixture. I'll
probably build a diffusing screen under it by using some transluscent
plastic, but I haven't gotten that far, yet.

That's about it, though. Sandwich your negative and paper, turn on light
for few seconds, then develop liek a regular enlarged picture.

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Re: Summary and manual focusing on the newer cameras

2003-03-08 Thread gfen
On 7 Mar 2003, Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote:
> The *ist has the best (most sophisticated) autofocus and the prism is
> some new bright one which sould be very cool.  Also it can shoot more
> pics per sec. (2.7)

I thought the *ist used a pentamirror system, and had a really atrotcious
viewfinder, at least based on specs... however, I stopped reading ist
threads after the ist D took over the list..

> And lastly, the discussion about the viewfinders is what I find
> disturbing and possibly a crucial decision factor.  I really don't
> undertsnad what the 0.7 and 0.8 magnification means but it seems to be
> crucial for manual focus.

There's coverage, and there's magnification. I don't fully understand
magnification, but what I do know is bigger is better. The lower that
number, teh darker,dimmer, and further away it all seems through the
camera. I didn't really grasp this (very crucial) concept until I had a
camera with an entirely different viewfidner than the other.. I quickly
learned the difference, and the bias.

> Several people noted that they have to use the beep function of the
> MZ-5n (3?) to be able to focus manually.  Now this disturbs me.  I want
> to be able to focus... period.  If this is true, no way will I upgrade.
> Is this true about the rest of the models?

All the ZX/MZ series cameras (except teh MZ-S) have poor viewfinders.
They're small and they're dim and they're flat and they're generally
unpleasant. Now, I need glasses, so I can't see perfectly through the
-5n's viewfinder, and when I focus with my -5n I use the focus
confirmation LED/beep function. Maybe your eyes will be better and you
won't need it.

> Someone suggested that "People have changed the screens out of their
> ZX-5 and -5n cameras with the split screen from the ZX-M body. It will
> affect teh spot metering on these cameras, but it can in fact be done."
> What is the spot metering?  How will it affect it?

Spot metering uses a 3 degree circle in the exact center of the view to
determine the exposure. Like a really small center weight metering. I'm
not sure if the split screen will completely render the spot meter
useless, or just make it unreliable. Either way, I suppose, its pretty
much the same thing.

> Someone also suggested that the MZ-5 (not the n) is the same as the
> MZ-M.  Does that mean it focuses the same?

It is the same, except the -5 has auto fofucs, the -M does not. The -5
will have the focus confirmation option, the -M will not. The -5 will have
a plain matte screen and spot meter. The -M will have a split screen and
no spot meter. The -5 has RTF flash and TTL flash. The -M has neither.

> What about the rest of the ZX line, the MZ-S, or older autofocus models
> (P series), is it as hard to manual focus with those as it is with the
> MZ-5n?  Any word on the *ist?

People have said the MZ-S has a wonderful viewfinder, bright and
contrasty. I saw one once, and it was unfari because immediatly after it I
picked up an LX and enjoyed its viewfinder that much more. Also, I used
neither, so that would also affect your deiscion.

I commented shortly on the Ist above, but I don't feel qualified saying
anythign else as I've never seen one and I stopped paying attention to the
threads..

-g

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Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 11:16 AM, "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I follow the digital area of a forum for professional photographers. I
> am interested in comments and experiences of people who know what they
> are doing and use these things all the time. I am not very interest in
> opinions of gadget freak spectators.

Bruce, I thought I was going to respect "some" of your posts when I felt
they were objective, and not hearsay.
I have many interests/hobbies and too busy to read many forums.  All the
forums I read and quote are from pro photographers.  I am sure you may be
reading some of the pro forums because we can tell much of your info are
hearsay from those (which you sometime misunderstood apparently) but it does
not make you a pro photographer or knowledgeable.  I do not pretend that
what I quote is my info but I always make sure that info from me are
"quotes".  If I do not understand some of the things discussed, I either put
a proviso or do not quote at all.  One thing I NEVER do is to tell people as
if I know everything when I do not.  It is very easy to tell if people are
saying certain thing based on his true background, training or
understanding, or just a hearsay.  Most of your posts are apparently hearsay
quoted from other forums.  You should tell so.  This is also the opinion by
other experts.  They can tell.  I can also talk like yours (know-it-all
attitude) if I construct my post with all kinds of hearsays.  Perhaps I can
do it better than you do (problem with the faceless net discussion).  But I
am too humble to do so (I suppose :-).  You have such a hung up with the
self-sarcasm word I used, gadget freak, eh? :-).  Gadget freak is usually
used to stereotype and poke fun of Japanese people and I used it for myself,
but why does it have to do with my opinion?

In contrast, Pål (and many other people in PDML), for example, speaks based
on his own experience and it shows and that's why it has far more
credibility than yours and I tend to listen to him more, even though many of
his opinion are, ah, "opinionated".  If certain things are hearsay and
something he learned from somewhere else, he always says so.  He construct
his "opinion" in a logical way, if you agree or not, and never takes "I
know-it-all" attitude, look down upon other people or mix with foul language
which shows your upbringing.
So, learn from him and other more decent persons and learn to be humble and
gracious, like most of people here are.
Take a look at your own posts. They all look like copied from some of those
"pro forums" you are talking about.  Whare is your OWN opinion based on your
OWN experience?
And since I went this far, I have an advice for you.  Just do not
self-elevate yourself to a pro photographer as you are not.  Don't be
intoxicated with you hearsay you are posting, thinking you are above many of
PDMLers here, looking down upon them and insult them as if you feel superior
to them.  It is showing everywhere in your posts.  It is disgusting.  Just
knock off that habit and return to your humble beginning.

Cheers,

Ken



Re: K50/1.2 lost in transit

2003-03-08 Thread Craig Schroeder
The 2 times that I bought things out of Australia over the last few 
years both took an extraordinary amount of time to arrive in the US. 
One of the items suffered from an assumption of  meaning by the seller 
that "I'll get it out right away" that really meant about a week later, 
but it still was in transit for a long time.  Good luck!

Len Paris wrote:

That does sound like a long time in transit but I've seen things that
were shipped by air actually arrive by surface mail before. It may
happen again.  Of course that won't help if the person receiving it
doesn't send it back or doesn't send you the payment again.  I hope all
ends well.
Len
---



Hi Len,

Thanks for the attention, if it helps it left Sydney on the 
17 Feb 2003 and 
never made it to Sequim WA.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert








Re: K50/1.2 lost in transit

2003-03-08 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
Once, I had to wait two months for a package from the US (air mail!). When I
finally received it, it occured that it spend a month on a Post Office in
Warsaw. So I'm a little more relaxed when it comes to post now.

Hope everything works out well with the lens.

Regards,
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RE: K50/1.2 lost in transit

2003-03-08 Thread Len Paris
That does sound like a long time in transit but I've seen things that
were shipped by air actually arrive by surface mail before. It may
happen again.  Of course that won't help if the person receiving it
doesn't send it back or doesn't send you the payment again.  I hope all
ends well.

Len
---



> Hi Len,
> 
> Thanks for the attention, if it helps it left Sydney on the 
> 17 Feb 2003 and 
> never made it to Sequim WA.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Studdert




Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I follow the digital area of a forum for professional photographers. I 
am interested in comments and experiences of people who know what they 
are doing and use these things all the time. I am not very interest in 
opinions of gadget freak spectators.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not read much about N/C digital forums 





Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
I follow the digital area of a forum for professional photographers. I 
am interested in comments and experiences of people who know what they 
are doing and use these things all the time. I am not very interest in 
opinions of gadget freak spectators.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I do not read much about N/C digital forums 





Re: Photographer and family shots (Was: On Topic or Seeking some advise)

2003-03-08 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: "John Mustarde"
> >A comment and a question:
> >- I think "John baby photo" is a great one. (My guess is that
mother
> >is standing right beside the photographer making funny faces or
waving
> >a favourite pet doll in order to evoke a smile from you.)
>
> My wife runs across that one every year or so. Makes her go ditzy
and
> coo... she gets all motherly on me, which ain't a bad thing at all
for
> a cozy evening...

Thanks! Now I know what I'll do.
I'm going to enlarge one of my own "Lasse baby photos" (I do have a
few of them) that might give the same effect (although I guess the
negs stayed with the photographer) and put it on a wall where any
visiting girl/lady will spot it, and see what luck it might bring
me... :-)

> >- What do you call the the kind of fence or "corrall" in "Barbara
> >1947"? (Me and my sister used to have one too, and I got a few
> >pictures of me in one of those as well.)
> >
> 1947 was before my time, but I think it was called a "playpen."
> Nowadays they build fancy ones in sections that are called baby
> corrals.

So, you - do - use the word "corral" for it. I knew it only for horses
from cowboy stories.
Do the/you British call it the same?

> It is amazing how *few* family photos I've managed to accumulate,
> considering all the years of photo opportunities. I just finished
> digitizing three hundred or so from my wife's family, which I am
> laboriously retouching as time and interest permit.

I think you are ahead of me in numbers, but I am doing the same.

> Artifacts in the background, like the playpen you mentioned, are
> interesting.  Old cars, old toys, old furniture - all evoke a sense
of
> history and the continuity of family life.

Exactly. I've spotted numerous toys, clothes, paintings, kitchen stuff
etc. that bring back memories I had all forgotten about.
A funny instance: recently on a 1952 photo of my father and mother
sitting in the grass outside my grandparents house I noticed his
leather briefcase beside him. That's the one I still prefer using
today! I didn't know it was that old (and probably even a few years
older than that).
Kind of beat up, the grip needs some work, but the brown leather has a
nice feel to it.

I could go on on this topic, but suffice to say it is rewarding in so
many ways to deal with pictures of the past.

Thanks,
Lasse



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 10:51 AM, "KT Takeshita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are a lot of real world examples coming out and one of the things
> people are raving about 10D is its high ISO performance (far less noise).

Re ISO performance of 10D, testing by pro photographers admires that you
can't see much noise and difference between ISO 100/200/400, which is
excellent in DSLR.
Canon apparently included Auto ISO in 100~400 range which is the first in
DSLR (popular in digital P&S but their auto ISO do not go much beyond ISO200
I suppose, I do not know.  I have to check), which they thought was the
indication that Canon was very confident in the ISO performance (noiseless)
in this range.

Cheers,

Ken



Re: No respect (again...)

2003-03-08 Thread Bill Owens
AMEN

>  Yet the ads on new cameras seem to tout that with
> this camera, we can improve your shots with our better
> features..  Many users fell for these gimmicks only to
> be dissappointed that technology alone doesn't take
> good photographs.  This is supposed to be your job.
> 
> Rick...




HELP! ME Super has a problem

2003-03-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

My freshly acquired ME Super has a strange problem. It goes like this.

1. I've run 4 films through it. Two films were 24 exp and two were 36
exp.

2. Both 24 exp films came out just right.

3. For both 36 exp films roughly around 30th frame camera looses touch
with the film. That is indicator of film advance/rewind is still while
I cock the shutter or rewind film back to the cassette. Furthermore,
on one of the two films, all frames past 28th are empty and 26th and
27th frame are well exposed several times.

The only option I have at the moment is to submit the camera to some
local shop who's owner told me he could repair the camera. The
estimated price of repair is $30. He said he would also probably do
some kind of CLA.

Since camera works perfectly otherwise, I want to ask your opinion on
this problem. I really don't want to be confined to 24 exp films only.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.8 9:51 AM, "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The most significant thing that current D60 users are wondering about is
> if the AF of the 10D is improved.

Hi Bruce,

Most of the digicams including DSLRs rather have various constraints in AF
particularly in locking on fast moving objects etc.  I do not know much
about D60 but I thought I read about some people complaining having to
frequently use AF lock.
I do not read much about N/C digital forums (in Japan) but I was interested
in 10D in comparison with the coming *ist D and might start  dropping in
these "other" forums to investigate what's going on in the "other world".
10D's AF is more like EOS 7's less Eye control and Canon's site emphasizes
the faster AF with much improved algorithm etc.  So, it sounds like they
addressed the problem if there was any in that area.

There are a lot of real world examples coming out and one of the things
people are raving about 10D is its high ISO performance (far less noise).
Please take a look at the photo in;

http://www.thisistanaka.com/diary/new.html

And scroll down to the 4th from the top (a guy jumping with roller blades).
It is not clickable but was taken at ISO 1600 to freeze the motion.  You can
see some noise particularly in darker area but I thought it was excellent.
You can also see that the photographer was panning to follow the guy's
movement (blurred tree branches in one direction).  I do not know which AF
mode he was using but 7 point AF is apparently working very well.

Talking about ISO/noise, Kodak Pro 14n has been shipped with the firmware
still being tweaked (almost in the prototype stage).  The worst complaint
from those who tested it in Japan is its noise at higher ISO, much like a
doomed Contax N1 digital.  Those testers (many of them are pro
photographers) write it off that images even at ISO 400 are so "dirty" and
unusable (obsolete D60 was far far better), although they also say that
these could be improved over time as Kodak tweak the firmware.

Also, it is said that Kodak Marketing wanted to price it at 500,000Yen level
($4,300 and up) but settled at later half of 600,000Yen ($5,100 and up) to
be compatible with Canon's offering (1D ?), i.e., make max money while they
can :-).

All in all, 10D looks like an excellent camera and I am sure Pentax are well
aware of it.
The street price of 10D in Japan now is approx.$1,550.

Cheers,

Ken

P.S.

Nikon is said to have some problems with the compatibility of their Nikkor
lenses with the full frame DSLR which is also apparent in Kodak 14n.  I lost
the URL wherein there was a lot of discussion about it (I did not understand
half of it anyway :-).  But this is the reason why they are sticking to the
APS size sensor for now, and the Nikon Marketing is quoted saying;

1. they are having difficulties in deciding whether they have to stick to
the smaller sensor or what to do with the full frame strategy.

2.  they were surprised at the pricing of Canon 10D but the price for D100
is not much more expensive.

3. 10D is larger than D100 which feels much better in hands.

4. they intend to go with D100 for another while.

We'll see.



Re: flower pics

2003-03-08 Thread Fred
> The second one is a really good image, imo. What I like in both
> images are the highlights around the rim of the petals, and the
> composition with the unsharp buds below.

> Found the highlight in the left part of #1 quite distracting,
> though.

Agreed (both statements).  It looks like #2 is basically a cropped
#1, with the distractions removed - much nicer.

What lighting did you use, Alan?

Fred



Re: No respect (again...)

2003-03-08 Thread Rick Diaz
--- Pål_Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> 
> > Sheesh! I thought the *ist D was pretty big news.
> > But what the hell do I know?
> 
> 
> I hate to repeate this again, but *ist D isn't great
> news outside the Pentax pond. Unfortunately, Pentax
> didn't use this oportunity to release a DSLR that is
> something special as opposed to very competent.
> 
> Pål
> 

If it is not, then what are some dealers already
asking for it? 

The *ist D is Pentax's first to be in production DSLR,
so one might expect that it is not as competent as you
might have liked.  

I personally feel that Pentax went the right way in
producing the *ist D with the features it has.  A
number of pros that I know are extremely delighted to
hopefully have a chance to try it out when it comes
out in July.  Unlike you, they don't complain what
features are missing and what it doesn't have in terms
of the USM super duper AF system like that found on a
Canon.  These pros expect only one thing, good
pictures from the new DSLR.  All bets are off if the
pictures look terrible. Remember the story of a hare
and a tortoise?  Pentax, being a tortoise, has made 
significant advancements in the development of their
digital lines, expecially when they entered LATE. 
Every digital models they have are improved and
enhanced, which unlike the competition offers multiple
of the same models and only differentiate from color
and features.  For features and price, Pentax is a
bargain and people knows that..  

People who are out to buy a camera wants to buy a
camera with these in mind:

1, Competitive price
2, Ergonomic design
3, Ease of use
4, Warranty repair turn around
5, Picture quality.
6, Features

It's interesting that I put features at the last of
the list and that is because, few if any photographers
care about more zones and more AF points right.  I
mean, how can more zones and more AF points and better
flash control improve over an already perfect picture?
 Yet the ads on new cameras seem to tout that with
this camera, we can improve your shots with our better
features..  Many users fell for these gimmicks only to
be dissappointed that technology alone doesn't take
good photographs.  This is supposed to be your job.

Rick...


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Re: OT Agfa APX

2003-03-08 Thread Caveman
Nick Zentena wrote:

OTOH APX 400 should never be pushed. You can pull 
it to 200.
The film box, european version, is printed inside with the development 
times for EI 400 and 1600.

cheers,
caveman


Re: Help in Canada

2003-03-08 Thread Gary L. Murphy
Jeff wrote:

Hi Gary,
I live in North York, which is minutes away from Vaughan.
If you give me his address, I can at least verify if it's Kosher.


Jeff and all that replied...

First, thanks a TON for the offers.

I finally heard from the guy this morning. He said the only email he 
received was the one I sent right after sending the MO. Guess that 
happens. He stated he did not reply to that one beacuse I "didn't 
request a reply". Maybe I thought it was a common courtesy to send an 
acknowledgement in matters like this. I know I always send one in that 
situation and just assumed most others did/do as well.

He said he had just "recently" received the MO and would be shipping the 
flash either today or Monday. I'm going to keep yours and Frank's reply 
though,  "just in case"... :-)

A classic case of communication breakdown I guess...

Thanks again!!!

--
Later,
Gary


Updating the big zooms

2003-03-08 Thread Matti Etelapera
Hi,

the 28-70 and 80-200/2.8 FA*´s are getting older and don´t match the
modern Pentax AF line very well in terms of apperance and features. If
Pentax intends to make replacements for them why not introduce a totally
new line of high grade f:3.5 zooms? Just think about it: smaller, lighter
and cheaper with the cost of a half a stop. Make them match the new 
cameras and ditch the power zoom.

Nice black FA*'s 16-35/3.5, 24-70/3.5 and 70-200/3.5 would be something...

  -Matti



Re: No respect (again...)

2003-03-08 Thread Rick Diaz
--- Stephen Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If a particular brand model sells well, why spend the
money to advertise it?  

Only camera brands that don't sell too well get
advertised like you wouldn't believe..  

It's has always been the case that Pentax cameras sell
as new models come out.  The problem is that, many
other makers put out extremely generous points program
to reward stores' employees to help them sell,
sometimes without prejudice.

Rick...


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RE: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Malcolm Smith
Bruce Rubenstein wrote:

> The most significant thing that current D60 users are wondering about is
> if the AF of the 10D is improved.

No doubt.

As someone who would be a new entrant to the DSLR market, I would be looking
at the whole package. If I had a D60 and was happy how it performed, this
would only be relevant if I was going to trade up. Then, and only then,
would the depreciation be an issue.

I am still keen to see the *ist close up.

Malcolm



Re: Photographer and family shots (Was: On Topic or Seeking some advise)

2003-03-08 Thread John Mustarde
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:20:15 +0100, you wrote:


>A comment and a question:
>- I think "John baby photo" is a great one. (My guess is that mother
>is standing right beside the photographer making funny faces or waving
>a favourite pet doll in order to evoke a smile from you.)

My wife runs across that one every year or so. Makes her go ditzy and
coo... she gets all motherly on me, which ain't a bad thing at all for
a cozy evening...

>- What do you call the the kind of fence or "corrall" in "Barbara
>1947"? (Me and my sister used to have one too, and I got a few
>pictures of me in one of those as well.)
>

1947 was before my time, but I think it was called a "playpen."
Nowadays they build fancy ones in sections that are called baby
corrals.

It is amazing how *few* family photos I've managed to accumulate,
considering all the years of photo opportunities. I just finished
digitizing three hundred or so from my wife's family, which I am
laboriously retouching as time and interest permit. 

Artifacts in the background, like the playpen you mentioned, are
interesting.  Old cars, old toys, old furniture - all evoke a sense of
history and the continuity of family life.

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: Help in Canada

2003-03-08 Thread Rick Diaz
--- "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there someone on the list that lives in or near,
> Vaughan, Ontario?
> 
> I used BIN on an eBay auction for a AF-500FTZ flash
> and sent him a 
> $240.00 USPS International Money Order. I mailed it
> last Saturday but 
> what is bothering me is the guy has not answered any
> of the several 
> emails I have sent him. He only has 31 feedbacks on
> eBay, all but one 
> are perfect, and the negative was when he was a
> buyer. (It looks like a 
> retalitory strike)  I'm hoping he might be out of
> pocket, but  needless 
> to say, since he has not or will not answer, I'm a
> bit concerned.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Later,
> Gary
> 

Did you even try phoning him to inquire the status of
your item?  eBay usually has a seller or buyer profile
while you're in the pay page.  The contact number is
listed there.  Call him up..  And I hope you sent the
money order via registered mail?

Rick..  





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Re: To Everyone who has been published

2003-03-08 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: "Collin Brendemuehl
> What was your first published photograph?

(Yeah, I know I'm late on this topic, but I started and didn't have
time to finish it earlier and just want to be part of the gang...
:-) )

At the (university) School of Journalism around 1988 I published a few
photos of myself along with a few essays and some dadaistic poetry I
wrote for the school paper (a few hundred prints I'd guess).
That's also when I slowly started picking up photography again,
(although my journalist training was writing and doing television),
initially by making use of the school darkroom to make prints of my
own and the family b&w negs and dsuting off a Praktica kit I had got
very cheap from my brother in law.
(Oh, yes now I remember, I also bought a Minox, a amall
"lens-fold-out" with a great 2.8/35mm lens. A great success among the
girls, who thought it so cute that they never minded being shot by it,
not even the shyest ones. (Got to get it working again - I guess it
fell one too many times out of my chest pocket.)
The first published shot in a regular news paper may have been October
1990 (although there was another piece on local politicians that may
have preceeded it - I can't find it right now), when I (both in
writing and shooting (b&w with Praktica + Cosina or Chinon 35mm
(single coated) + cheap small manual only Agfatronic flash) reported
on a historical "scoop" I made at the Swedish National Archives in
finding a (Imperial) Russian war "treasure" (bills, coins, coupons,
stamps etc) that the Swedish Army took at the end of a military
expedition to Åland (the Aland Islands) in 1918.

The first "photographer only" published shot, was in August 1993 when,
at a local athletic competition, a young girl set a national record in
"sixathlon" (I believe it was for the young ones).
Local athletics, along with music, town planning/construction, some
street life etc, is one of my "photo genres" and I was just starting
out learning how to do it.
I had missed most of that day's events due to some World Championship
Atlethics on television the same day, and was actually about to leave
the grounds. There was however this last event announced, 800 meters
girls, and there was a mention of one of girls having the chance to
set a national record for girls aged 13, why I stopped and shot a
number of frames. (Still w Praktica + Chinon 135mm, some Fuji colour)
Because of the results I called the sports editor of one of the papers
and told him about it and that I had pictures.
The next day they ran the story with a moderately sized picture (payed
for) of the girl running.
(As it happened, this girl developed her talent (she made the national
team in javelin) and I have photographically been able to document a
ten year carriére of hers. A rewarding collaboration.)
>From then on I have published photos almost as much as I have been
published in writing (or maybe not - haven't thought about comparing
or keeping count before) Sometimes just one or the other, sometimes
both.

Thanks for reading (it got longer than intended),
Lasse



Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The most significant thing that current D60 users are wondering about is 
if the AF of the 10D is improved.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Two key things from this to me, firstly, the latest model is two-thirds of
the price of the D60 and the new model comes in an magnesium alloy body,
instead of plastic. I dislike the plastic feel of new cameras - so this is a
real plus point for me.
 





Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The most significant thing that current D60 users are wondering about is 
if the AF of the 10D is improved.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Two key things from this to me, firstly, the latest model is two-thirds of
the price of the D60 and the new model comes in an magnesium alloy body,
instead of plastic. I dislike the plastic feel of new cameras - so this is a
real plus point for me.
 





Re: New guy has *ist questions...

2003-03-08 Thread Bill Owens
My understanding is that the *ist may be, as you say, a "crippled" mount.
However the *istD is as fully compatible as a PZ-1p.  IMO, although the *ist
and *ist D share the same chassis, they are as different as a ZX-60 and an
ZX-5n.  I'm intrigued by the small size and the ability to use readily
available AA batteries without resorting to a bulky grip, especially as
compared to the competition.

Bill

- Original Message -
From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: New guy has *ist questions...


> Bill wrote:
>
>
> > Full functionality, no.  ALL PENTAX LENSES are usable, with the same
> > restrictions as K, M, and 645 and screwmount lenses have on the newer
> > bodies.  In other words, all Pentax lenses will work as well on the *ist
> > models as they do on the PZ-1p and MZ-S.  Consider it confirmed to this
> > extent.
>
>
> I was thinking of the fact that the *ist was designed without the
mechanical coupling. It will only meter with lenses with electrical
contacts. Still, it might changed but it was originally designed withn a
"crippled" mount due to its entry level status.
>
> Pål
>




Re: OT Agfa APX

2003-03-08 Thread frank theriault
Hi,

Yeah, sure, at $3 a roll, I'll try it.  I was just confused at what seemed
the discrepancy between the Agfa Canada site, and what the salesman at
Downtown told me.  As long as I know what it is, I'll try it out, and shoot
accordingly.

Thanks a lot,
frank

Caveman wrote:

>
>
> It's "quite grainy". ;-) Seriously. OTOH, it works "quite well" exposed
> at EI 1600.
> I can scan some samples for you. I'd say "give it a try". How much is a
> roll anyway ?
>
> cheers,
> caveman

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-Albert Camus




Re: Help in Canada

2003-03-08 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Gary,

Vaughn is just north of me here in Toronto.  I think GO Trains or buses go
up there, but before I head up there with my old big huge Soligor 70-230
zoom hanging off my Spotmatic (I never use the lens anyway, and it must be
good for ~something~), do you have his phone number?

I'm going out of town in an hour or two for the weekend, but I"ll be back
on Sunday evening.  I could give him a call when I get back.

regards,
frank

"Gary L. Murphy" wrote:

> Is there someone on the list that lives in or near, Vaughan, Ontario?
>
> I used BIN on an eBay auction for a AF-500FTZ flash and sent him a
> $240.00 USPS International Money Order. I mailed it last Saturday but
> what is bothering me is the guy has not answered any of the several
> emails I have sent him. He only has 31 feedbacks on eBay, all but one
> are perfect, and the negative was when he was a buyer. (It looks like a
> retalitory strike)  I'm hoping he might be out of pocket, but  needless
> to say, since he has not or will not answer, I'm a bit concerned.
>
> --
> Later,
> Gary

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*ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-08 Thread Malcolm Smith
Although I have no immediate plans for going into digital photography, I
have read with interest the strings here on the *ist. The C D60 seemed
an outstanding camera to judge any competitor by, until reading the head to
head specifications of its replacement, the 10D, in Amateur Photographer,
16th March edition which dropped through my door this morning. How
technology moves on so fast.

Two key things from this to me, firstly, the latest model is two-thirds of
the price of the D60 and the new model comes in an magnesium alloy body,
instead of plastic. I dislike the plastic feel of new cameras - so this is a
real plus point for me.

It looks like the *ist will be under some severe competition, and first
generation DSLRs will take a heck of a whack on depreciation.

Malcolm



Re: Summary and manual focusing on the newer cameras

2003-03-08 Thread Carlos Royo


Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote:
> 
> 
> So the MZ-S and the Z/SF series are my options.  (and the *ist which has
> not been tested by any of us...  so I'll wait... :))
> 

In my experience, manual focusing in the MZ-S would be the best of the
lot, in spite of the relative low magnification finder, the focusing
screen is a joy to use, it is contrasty and things "pop" in and out of
focus clearly. But I can also focus easily with the Z-1, and being
focusing screens of the Z1-p slightly brighter, it would be a wise
choice too.

--
Carlos Royo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain
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FA on Ebay pentax stuff

2003-03-08 Thread KANGA
check back there will be alot of gear over the next month
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=waynes
_photo_world&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25
comming soon
pz-1p, tokina 28-70mm 2.6-2.8 atx pro, 20-35mm 3.5-4.5 tokina and maybe
another 90mm VS1 2.5 macro with macro convertor
time to jump ship
no the place i work for has just purchased the new canon 1ds and a full
image size sensor is too much temptation for me. as they kindly said i can
borrow it after hours and pay next to nothing for it in 6 months when the
write it off.
so i will just keep my one LX, 24mm f2, 31mm, 43mm and 77mm lens and convert
to canon for the rest



RE: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there

2003-03-08 Thread Len Paris
Perhaps I should have elaborated.  I go through the prints at least two
times.  First to go are the out of focus, camera shake examples, and
flash miss-fires.  Next pass looks carefully for inappropriate gestures,
items in the field of view, eye blinks of the bride and/or groom, etc.
Those make up the bulk of the duds.

I do one pass through the duds to check for what may be noticed as not
being in the proof set. Any pictures of important relatives in
attendance, even though they blinked, could be important to the B&G or
to someone else in the party.  If there is only the one shot, I don't
throw it away.  I keep it just in case somebody asks about it but I
don't always include it in the proof set I provide to the B&G.  It
depends how glaring it is.

Len
---



> -Original Message-
> From: Gianfranco Irlanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there
> 
> 
> Len Paris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I never give a customer anything I consider as being bad.
> 
> Nor do I, although on many occasions a customer choose what I 
> hardly considered a good shot - it happens almost always for 
> the wedding pictures, sometimes in other situations.
> 
> Gianfranco
> 
> =
> 
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RE: K50/1.2 lost in transit

2003-03-08 Thread Len Paris
To where in the U.S. did you ship it?  There are a lot of us over here
and it would help to know where to put our special attention.

Len
---

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: K50/1.2 lost in transit
> 
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> I sent a near pristine Pentax SMC 50/1.2 to a guy in the US, 
> unfortunately it 
> seems to have been lost in transit. So if anyone spies a 
> really nice 50/1.2 
> with the serial number 1468197 for sale I would really like 
> to be notified, 
> thanks. It will be listed on the photo.net registry shortly also.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/> ~distudio/publications.html
> 
> Pentax user since 1986 PDMLer since 1998
> 
> 




Re: OT: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there

2003-03-08 Thread Cotty
>How do YOU handle your proofs when handing them back to clients?  Do you
>sort and only hand the good ones back or do you give them the whole 9 yards
>so they know you're not holding anything back?

Never, ever, ever let the client see the duds. If necessary, I would 
destroy the negatives.

.02,

Cotty


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Re: Jerusalem Snow

2003-03-08 Thread Kristian-H. Schuessler
High Doug,
   "NIVA" is a russian car produced by "LADA"
and also sold in Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland),
technical a very simple car,
fit for deserts in Uzbekistan and mountains in Germany.
Price here from 14 000 to ...(I dont know) ? 16 000 US-$
= 16 000 EURO. Lowest price-range of all sold cars in our country.

In Russia, former "Sowjetunion" = USSR, it was and is a car for the army as
like for civil use. Here in Germany are not so many cars of this type
running.

Kristian-Heinrich Schüssler from Black Forrest


- Original Message -
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Jerusalem Snow


> On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:24:08 +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
> > I suggest you take some Lada and Niva for some rides...
>
> I've heard a story, several times from different people, that I'm
> wondering if you can confirm or refute.  Supposedly there was a very
> cheap car manufactured in the USSR, intended for regular people.  > on the
brink of exploding, or something, if that happens.

> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ



Re: March Pug (very long thread)

2003-03-08 Thread Cotty
>Who is this person sending these messages? Steve WHAT? WHO Cottrell?
>
>It cannot be, we all know your name is _really_ Cottington! Perhaps
>Cottington Cottrell, or Cottington Steve Cotrell... hmmm..

LOL. Yeah, right. Trying to configure the Mail.app in OS X

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Re: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there

2003-03-08 Thread Herb Chong
i have discovered that there is no accounting for taste. if the technically bad shots 
are removed, then what is left is what should be presented. so, bad exposure, bad 
focus, closed eyes, many blurs, etc, should be removed, but all else should stay. 
that's for portrait stuff only. for editorial work, once you get past focus and 
exposure, what you think is terrible might be exactly what the editor is looking for 
because they may crop on you or do other things. you have to have a really good feel 
in advance of what the editor is looking for to do much editing. for fine art work, 
you have to be ruthless in editing.and what is very, very good probably isn't good 
enough.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Taz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 02:45
Subject: Re: Question For You "Professional" photogs out there


> Herb
> 
> Could you please expound on this statement?  And does that include
> processing service such as I locally available for a premium price of about
> $12.00 roll of 24 that includes custom editing before doing the prints?
> 
> Thanks



Re: Help in Canada

2003-03-08 Thread Taz
I know it's easy to jump the panic button, but truly with international
mail, customs, terrorists etc assuming he got it is a bit much to assume.
Furthermore he might be on a couple of days holiday.  I had that recently
happen with an Ebay purchase myself and I couldn't ask for a better person
to deal with although he doesn't email much.  He happens to be a pro that is
just super busy.  I'd at least give it till Monday evening and then hit the
panic button
- Original Message -
From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Help in Canada


> Is there someone on the list that lives in or near, Vaughan, Ontario?
>
> I used BIN on an eBay auction for a AF-500FTZ flash and sent him a
> $240.00 USPS International Money Order. I mailed it last Saturday but
> what is bothering me is the guy has not answered any of the several
> emails I have sent him. He only has 31 feedbacks on eBay, all but one
> are perfect, and the negative was when he was a buyer. (It looks like a
> retalitory strike)  I'm hoping he might be out of pocket, but  needless
> to say, since he has not or will not answer, I'm a bit concerned.
>
>
> --
> Later,
> Gary
>
>




Re: New guy has *ist questions...

2003-03-08 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Brendan a écrit:
The *ist will work with screw mount lenses in aperture
priority, you set the aperture, the camera sets the
rest. As for E-TTL, it's P-TTL here and it can be
turned off ( unlike the canon ). 
P-TTL works only with lenses type A (and F, FA).
And too with K and M lenses modified for matrix metering; two links:
Mark Roberts site:
http://www.robertstech.com/pentax.htm
Mine (French, you can translate by http://babel.altavista.com/tr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/multizone.htm
Michel