Re: Let's Do It!! (Was: RE: Wouldn't THAT be nice! was: Why Istick to Pentax)
Sylwek wrote: Or better - Bieszczady, Poland Homer Mmm, Bieszczady (drool) /Homer
Re: enabled again... an electro spotmatic with unique accessory
Congratulations, Sid. Welcome to the Electro Spotmatic club. Well, the camera arrived and as soon as I put the battery in, that meter leaped up and performed like a circus animal. But, Sid, how well are circus animals at metering ??? ;-) Now, the curious accessory: the Asahi pentax everready case: also in mint condition, but brown. I've always seen black ones. Anyone else seen one in brown leather? I believe that's the standard Electro Spotmatic case. I have seen two of 'em, both with Electro Spotmatics. See http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/electrosp2.jpg The case also has an extra deep cut-out to the side of the lens to allow for the protruding battery chamber. (A regular Spotmatic case doesn't have that.) Fred
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
Have you noticed how he frames his pictures using the rule of thirds, or is it fourths, fifths, or seven and a thirds? And his frames are square. Strange? The square frame is so wasteful. I wonder what he's going to do with his half million Kroner? Use some of it to take lessons in composition? Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Goes to.. Well, you can check it out by yourself. :-) Go to: http://www.hasselblad.com/ Click on News Events And: http://www.hasselbladfoundation.org/aktuellte.html Anyone familiar with the photography of the winner? Lasse
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
- Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Have you noticed how he frames his pictures using the rule of thirds, or is it fourths, fifths, or seven and a thirds? No. And his frames are square. Strange? The square frame is so wasteful. I see. I wonder what he's going to do with his half million Kroner? Use some of it to take lessons in composition? Your guess is as good as mine. Don Lasse ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Goes to.. Well, you can check it out by yourself. :-) Go to: http://www.hasselblad.com/ Click on News Events And: http://www.hasselbladfoundation.org/aktuellte.html Anyone familiar with the photography of the winner? Lasse
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
Dr E D F Williams wrote: Have you noticed how he frames his pictures using the rule of thirds, or is it fourths, fifths, or seven and a thirds? And his frames are square. His camera has a square film opening. How can it be otherwise? Strange? The square frame is so wasteful. You forgot to add In my most humble opinion. I wonder what he's going to do with his half million Kroner? Use some of it to take lessons in composition? Quite frankly, why the hell do you care? It's his award, let him use it as he sees fit! Where does all this rancor come from? It smacks oddly of bitterness! Are you angry at the Foundation or at the photographer? Or, considering your repeated comments on the wastefulness of the square format, at Hasselblad? keith whaley Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Goes to.. Well, you can check it out by yourself. :-) Go to: http://www.hasselblad.com/ Click on News Events And: http://www.hasselbladfoundation.org/aktuellte.html Anyone familiar with the photography of the winner? Lasse
Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S
I was just re-reading some of my mail, and when I came across this comment, I wondered, what is the dot pitch specification of your Sony LCD monitor? Or, is there any such? Grossly speaking, changing the pixel count setting of one's monitor does not change the mask of the monitor, so in the end, what one sees on the screen can only be as sharp as the monitor itself permits. For example, my monitor has an 0.27 dot pitch. That means the picture elements are (.27 X .0394) = 10 1/2 thousandths of an inch apart. Therefore I cannot see or display any image 'sharper' than that on my screen. My digital camera might well be capable of taking and storing an image with finer resolution, but unless I get it translated to some photo paper, I will never enjoy it... The normal eye can see much better than that, perhaps down to a thousandth of an inch or so, so whatever .jpg I open has those sharpness limitations. I suppose that since everyone _else_ who has a CRT display is laboring under the same crippling effect, we're all more or less equal. Except for, possibly, those with LCD screens... I am aware that an LCD monitor works differently from a standard cathode ray tube monitor, but don't know what the equivalent maximum possible resolution might be. I'm not sufficiently familiar with them, so I ask, how does Sony specify that characteristic? Thanks, keith Henry Henry wrote: Hi Keith, I just report what I saw with my eyes, which of course is not a scientific way to judge the image quality. I saw horrible noise and artifects at the children's faces, at 100% view from my Sony LCD monitor which is set at 1024x768 pixels. I watch it pixel by pixel. I have done a crop on the original large photo and put it on my web server: http://www.irenhenry.com/imgp0125-crop.jpg If it is the problem of my monitor, I probably have to buy another one before my *ist-D arrive. Cheers! Henry 16/3/2003 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 Henry, I have a 17 monitor, and I viewed the children's .jpg in Expanded View, which turns out to be 30 wide (roughly 2 1/2 screen widths for my monitor) and looked carefully at the children's faces. From 30 viewing distance, I found it very hard to discern any degradation. With prior notice, like you gave us, I might be persuaded that there might be some, but would casual viewing notice it? Not at all... If I got up to within 11 of the monitor screen, I noticed some areas where the skin tone MIGHT be degraded, but it could also be smudges on the cheek or forehead. Nothing like what I expected from your description. I particularly liked the detail in the shadows of the shrine structure. Overall, not bad at all in my humble opinion. If one expects to produce National Geographic quality images, you'll have to buy a 12 or 16 Mpixel camera, not a 3 Mpixel one! For what it _is_, I think it did a quite commendable job. keith whaley _ _ _ _ Henry Henry wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese website Photosharp has posted two test samples of Optio S: http://www.digital.idv.tw/dc-test/Pentax/OptioS/intro/index-optioS-intro.htm http://www.digital.idv.tw/spec/dgpentax/OptioS/imgp0087.jpg http://www.digital.idv.tw/spec/dgpentax/OptioS/imgp0125.jpg The colour rendition is on the saturated side and image noise is on the high side (on the shadow of the Chinese roof at photo 1 and on the faces/clothes of the children in photo 2). A bit disappointing... My desire for *ist-D has cooled down a bit... Regards, Henry 15/3/2003
Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S
there really isn't because on a normal CRT, there usually are more a lot more dots than there are pixels on the screen. LCD monitors can be used only at their design resolution or lower. at lower resolutions, there are two choices, stretching or using only a portion of the monitor. stretching leads to all sorts of artifacts that are very ugly. using only a portion of the monitor wastes the point of using a high resolution LCD monitor. Herb - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 06:38 Subject: Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S I was just re-reading some of my mail, and when I came across this comment, I wondered, what is the dot pitch specification of your Sony LCD monitor? Or, is there any such?
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
- Original Message - From: Keith Whaley Subject: Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Where does all this rancor come from? It smacks oddly of bitterness! Are you angry at the Foundation or at the photographer? Or, considering your repeated comments on the wastefulness of the square format, at Hasselblad? I think that the good Dr. was being ironic. But I could be wrong. William Robb
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
You answered without thinking Keith. I see now why most people on this list add funny faces to their messages to be sure they are not misunderstood. Now I'll explain in plain English: This photographer is great. I love his pictures. I am delighted he got the award. I love 6 x 6 and have used it for forty years. I think Hasselblad is good, I had one for years, but do think there are better 6 x 6 cameras. I was being facetious. If you think back a bit you'll remember the long drawn out discussions about rules and format we had some months ago. Yes? One of us wrote dozens of messages about why 6 x 6 was a waste of film. Others wrote about rules ... ad nauseam. People were rude to each other. And here we have a man who takes his pictures with the subjects slap in the middle of the square frame, equal margins all round, and they look wonderful! Got it? Best, Don But I'll be buggered before I add those stupid little things to my posts. D ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Dr E D F Williams wrote: Have you noticed how he frames his pictures using the rule of thirds, or is it fourths, fifths, or seven and a thirds? And his frames are square. His camera has a square film opening. How can it be otherwise? Strange? The square frame is so wasteful. You forgot to add In my most humble opinion. I wonder what he's going to do with his half million Kroner? Use some of it to take lessons in composition? Quite frankly, why the hell do you care? It's his award, let him use it as he sees fit! Where does all this rancor come from? It smacks oddly of bitterness! Are you angry at the Foundation or at the photographer? Or, considering your repeated comments on the wastefulness of the square format, at Hasselblad? keith whaley Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Goes to.. Well, you can check it out by yourself. :-) Go to: http://www.hasselblad.com/ Click on News Events And: http://www.hasselbladfoundation.org/aktuellte.html Anyone familiar with the photography of the winner? Lasse
Re: enabled again... an electro spotmatic with unique accessory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, the curious accessory: the Asahi pentax everready case: also in mint condition, but brown. I've always seen black ones. Anyone else seen one in brown leather? Sid, It's the same here. I got an Electro Spotmatic (not an ES) and it came with a BROWN leather case. I couldn't resist buying it as I'd never seen one before. Since then, I've seen yours and another on ebay. I've been shooting with another ES and enjoying it. Finding a set of lenses adds to the challenge, but the SMC Takumars deliver good results and feel special in the hand. I think the experience is a bit more tactile than the rest of my Pentax gear. Regards, Bob S.
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
If they don't get it without those thingies, nothing less than a 2x4 up side of the head will get through any way. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I'll be buggered before I add those stupid little things to my posts.
Tactile Cameras
Many people on this list feel about a camera as others might feel about a firearm, a fine machine tool (like a Dean Smith and Grace tool-room lathe, or even a Myford Super 7), an automobile, a fly rod, a quiver of Wilson Staff clubs or other well made 'feely' things with which we might occupy our work or leisure time. Feel and appearance sometimes become more important than function. Its a *bad* thing to have a black camera body with a chrome lens and vice versa. But, the lens will take the same picture on the black body despite the chrome - as long as it works. So why do we care? I have on my table a rebuilt (by DW) Russian Compound Microscope. Its thirty years old - at least - and is a pretty rough piece of equipment. However it works and as I use it each day - tripping down memory lane as I go along* - its the microscopy and not the instrument that absorbs my attention. The offensive engineering has faded into the background. Don * Its been twenty, or more, years since I did any light microscopy. ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
I suspect you are about to get multiple flames from the humor impaired who have forgotten recent threads about composition. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:48 AM Subject: Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography Have you noticed how he frames his pictures using the rule of thirds, or is it fourths, fifths, or seven and a thirds? And his frames are square. Strange? The square frame is so wasteful. I wonder what he's going to do with his half million Kroner? Use some of it to take lessons in composition?
PDML Germany request
Hello folks. Can one of you German residents do me a favour? I need someone to accept a small parcel from a German ebay seller as they will not ship outside their home country. Reasonable remuneration will be available. Kind regards Peter
Last Update and Fire Sale (was RE: For Sale (lots of stuff))
Last shot or my dealer gets it. Prices reduced again. Add $10 shipping/insurance in the US. Will ship internationally, buyer pays actual cost. Buyer has 5 days to decide if item is as described. FA 20-35/4 Good condition. Glass is fine, barrel and hood has scuffs and light scratches. $290 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/gear/2035-1.jpg FA 28-70/2.8 Cosmetics not so good. Zoom ring a little loose. Optics fine. $430 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/gear/2870-1.jpg http://www.bigdayphoto.com/gear/2870-2.jpg FA 100/3.5 macro. Exc. $110 http://www.bigdayphoto.com/gear/100-1.jpg http://www.bigdayphoto.com/gear/100-2.jpg Quantum Turbo Z Battery w/ charger, mint - $160
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
Dr E D F Williams wrote: You answered without thinking Keith. I see now why most people on this list add funny faces to their messages to be sure they are not misunderstood. I'm a pretty literal sort of reader. I speak (write) with the intent to have others understand my meaning as clearly as possible. I sort of expect others to do the same. Ambiguity can creep in quickly when one starts being mildly sarcastic or is not watchful of his being obtuse. It happens too easily! When there's only visual text on a screen to get all nuances of one's communication intent across, one must resort to capitals or emoticons or some such thing, to express all the myriad emotions involved. So, yes, unless one interjects a smile or grin or one of the ubiquitous symbols like :^), there's no way to tell if something is said tongue in cheek or in jest. Sorry I misunderstood... Now I'll explain in plain English: This photographer is great. I love his pictures. I am delighted he got the award. I love 6 x 6 and have used it for forty years. I think Hasselblad is good, I had one for years, but do think there are better 6 x 6 cameras. I was being facetious. Thank you. If you think back a bit you'll remember the long drawn out discussions about rules and format we had some months ago. Yes? Yes. One of us wrote dozens of messages about why 6 x 6 was a waste of film. Others wrote about rules ... ad nauseam. People were rude to each other. I recall that quite clearly, and ended up tossing most of the repeat messages after the first hundred or so. And here we have a man who takes his pictures with the subjects slap in the middle of the square frame, equal margins all round, and they look wonderful! Got it? Oh yes, I got it! While I tend to offset my main subject in most of my photo compositions, and do generally find it more pleasing, one CAN get away with central subject composition, as that to which this photographer's photos attest! Best, Don But I'll be buggered before I add those stupid little things to my posts. D I do understand, but if one doesn't provide for some way of expressing the richness and nuances of communication, they must be prepared to field the questions from those literal readers who misunderstand, like me! You did, and I thank you for it. I'll try to be more discerning and read between the lines next time. smile keith whaley
Re: PDML Germany request
Hi! I can help you, if you still need somebody to help ^_^ bye Katrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 21.03.2003, 14:31:44: Hello folks. Can one of you German residents do me a favour? I need someone to accept a small parcel from a German ebay seller as they will not ship outside their home country. Reasonable remuneration will be available. Kind regards Peter
RE: Fun with Optio S Vegas it is
I've been to Las Vegas several times...there is a canyon nearby...Fire Canyon or Canyon of Fire...I wanted to go and shoot the last time I was there, but time ran out. Wouldn't mind a chance to try again. Red Rock Canyon is the closest, only 20 miles outside of Vegas. Fire Canyon might be a part of it (there are a bunch of different canyons on a loop road). We rented a convertible and drove out there, and then we drove out to Death Valley. Best part of our Vegas trip. Have fun! Amita
Re: It's started!
BBC to. --- Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed. Bill __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Pentax zoom 28-200
I've got the FA 28-200. I'm using it on either the MZ5 or on a Chinon CE4. I have frequently done shoots with this lens only, just for convenience. However on these two bodies it feels rather front-heavy which takes away some of the virtue of carrying one lens only. It comes with a hood which makes the whole set up almost intimidating to some people (or they think you must be a real pro...). It won't produce top quality in terms of sharpness and resolution, but it's not as bad as you'd expect from MTF resolution test numbers (very poor rating). (There are a number of other makers' 28-200 that have done better in tests, and for all I know may be even cheaper than the Pentax, why you may want to have a look around. I haven't been following what's been released lately, but I seem to recall someone (Tamron?) recently released one which is supposed to be compact.) I suggest you try to find one and just try it on and decide. Personally I would gladly settle for a smaller say 28-135 mm if there is one. (I need at least as wide as 28, but I think I can make do without the 135-200 length. (That is, for particular needs I am also on the lookout for another tele zoom up to 300, or maybe 400). Good luck, Lasse - Original Message - From: Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Pentax zoom 28-200, PDML beano, Mayor of Brighton, Horizon 202 Hi people Ok so I want to add a travel zoom to my bag of k and m primes [well not add to more substitute for] I use MX [2], ME super and LX bodies so AF is not a concern... I've bough a 28-80 F it's fine thanks Rob , but still means I have to cart too much wen i'm trying naot to ba pahotographer. Sooo i'm thinking about a 28-200 [it's really aTamron in disguise I think, horrible huge 72mm filter] Would probabaly use it wit the ME super. Anybody got one , hates it, likes it? Other solutions? My vote for PDML beano has to be the south of France so I can show all of those people who hate France what a really nice placeit is , and the food has to be better than LV..OK Cyril? Peter, why stop at Mayor of Brighton, surely they still have lord lieutenant of Sussex? Clive Evans Antibes France ps Nick, i know the Horizon 202 is more expensive than a RF back for a 4x5, but what if you haven't got a 4x5? [Hope the filter holder works OK by the way]
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
Most people would rather read a story than a technical manual. Most people would rather read a matchbook cover than a technical manual. Most people would rather read the writing on a baseball that was about to hit them in the face than a technical manual. I write for those I want to communicate with, and I don't worry about the flat plane thinkers. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to do technical manual writing
Re: Tactile Cameras
Similar here -- I really enjoy using the equipment itself, as much as I enjoy the actual photography. Or it's all tied up together, the way I see it. I fondly remember a trip to Toronto with a then-recently-acquired Contaflex Super, my first classic SLR; a cruise along the Thousand Islands and exploring Boldt Castle with a Kodak Stereo camera; photographing candids at a friend's wedding with a Leica IIIf and 50mm f/2 Summitar; and taking photos soon after my first daughter was born with a Pentax H3v and the Super-Takumar 50mm f/1.4. I don't know why my memories include such a strong bond with the equipment itself, but there you have it. Joe Photography is my leisure time. I want to spend it working with equipment that pleases me. If I don't like the feel of the equipment, I won't want to use it. The best equipment in the world won't give good results if you hate it to the point of not using it. I have handled a lot of cameras that are technically superior to what I am using in most respects. Unfortunately, they have user interfaces that I dislike, or they feel like plastic fantastic crap. I tolerate the foibles of my 3 LX's because I enjoy using them more than any other 35mm camera I have tried out. I like cameras, not photography. Photography is a means to an end. The end is using equipment that pleases me, and gives me an excuse to travel to places I might not otherwise see. If I get a nice picture for the wall, or someone compliments one of my meager offerings to the PUG or Photosig, thats a bonus. However, I am probably in the minority. William Robb
It's that time again
Oh yes indeedy Here are today's new toys, mostly Pentax, with a few oddities thrown in: Spotmatic SPII 55 1.8 SMC - cased 28mm F2.8M 50mm F2.8 A Macro 28mm F2.8 A LX Winder KX Chrome KX Black Mamiya 7 Mk1 Mamiya 43mm Finder for the 7 Leitz Apo Televid 77 scope Viewmaster Camera Film cutter Might swap for a pair of 225/70/15s if anyone in UK is in the tyre business. Have a great weekend folks Peter
Re: Tactile Cameras
You're certainly not alone in that this being is at least part of the motivation for many amateurs. For all of our arguments, Pentax cameras have a certain feel to them which many on this list find appealing. I think that the PZ-1P deviated most significantly from this feel and that affected sales. OTOH, I think the MZ-5n definitely had that feel and sold well. I think the MZ-S is there as well, but that seems to be not a general an opinion. As far as the color of the lenses are concerned, it bothers me that Pentax won't sell the black limiteds in the US. It strikes me as an annoying and silly decision, and that puts me off from buying one. Fortunately, I'm an amateur and can happily engage in this level of pouting ;-) Photography is my leisure time. I want to spend it working with equipment that pleases me. If I don't like the feel of the equipment, I won't want to use it. The best equipment in the world won't give good results if you hate it to the point of not using it. I have handled a lot of cameras that are technically superior to what I am using in most respects. Unfortunately, they have user interfaces that I dislike, or they feel like plastic fantastic crap. I tolerate the foibles of my 3 LX's because I enjoy using them more than any other 35mm camera I have tried out. I like cameras, not photography. Photography is a means to an end. The end is using equipment that pleases me, and gives me an excuse to travel to places I might not otherwise see. If I get a nice picture for the wall, or someone compliments one of my meager offerings to the PUG or Photosig, thats a bonus. However, I am probably in the minority. William Robb Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S
Herb Chong wrote: there really isn't because on a normal CRT, there usually are more a lot more dots than there are pixels on the screen. LCD monitors can be used only at their design resolution or lower. at lower resolutions, there are two choices, stretching or using only a portion of the monitor. stretching leads to all sorts of artifacts that are very ugly. using only a portion of the monitor wastes the point of using a high resolution LCD monitor. Unless it's an even fraction of the res. Ala 800x600 on 1600x1200. Herb - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 06:38 Subject: Re: Disappointing test samples of Optio S I was just re-reading some of my mail, and when I came across this comment, I wondered, what is the dot pitch specification of your Sony LCD monitor? Or, is there any such?
Re: It's started!
This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side of this conflict we fall on. Let's keep the war out of our threads and stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family. That would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography. DG At 08:19 PM 3/21/03 +0200, you wrote: piss off - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: It's started! Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed. Bill
Re: Tactile Cameras
Sorry about this first sentence. Sometimes changing a sentence just doesn't go as it should. . . ;-( You're certainly not alone in that this being is at least part of the motivation for many amateurs. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Hasselblad Foundation International Award in Photography
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Most people would rather read a story than a technical manual. Most people would rather read a matchbook cover than a technical manual. Most people would rather read the writing on a baseball that was about to hit them in the face than a technical manual. I write for those I want to communicate with, and I don't worry about the flat plane thinkers. So, you focus on the fact of technical writing, instead of all the other facets I exposed, and you call ME a flat plane thinker? smile keith BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to do technical manual writing
Re: Wouldn't THAT be nice! (TORONTO)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really enjoy our little get togethers that we in Toronto have once in a while. It's nice, as well, to meet the odd out-of-towner who swings this way, like Paul Stenquist, Stan Halpin, or Mark Roberts (coming in April!). OK, looks like my Toronto trip is on. It's been moved up slightly: I'll be arriving on Thursday, 03 April and probably only staying one night due to my very restricted budget, so any get-together will have to be Thursday evening rather than Friday. I'd have preferred Friday (as would many others, no doubt) but that's the best I can do at the moment. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax zoom 28-200, PDML beano, Mayor of Brighton, Horizon 202
Clive evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so I want to add a travel zoom to my bag of k and m primes [well not add to more substitute for] I use MX [2], ME super and LX bodies so AF is not a concern... I've bough a 28-80 F it's fine thanks Rob , but still means I have to cart too much wen i'm trying naot to ba pahotographer. Sooo i'm thinking about a 28-200 [it's really aTamron in disguise I think, horrible huge 72mm filter] Would probabaly use it wit the ME super. Anybody got one , hates it, likes it? Other solutions? I used to have the Tamron 28-200, which is the same lens, sans SMC. It's actually pretty good at short focal lengths: Use a tripod and good 11 x 14 prints are possible if you stop it down. In fact, one of my best ever black and white shots was taken with this lens (it seems to me a better lens for B/W than color). I'm sure the shot would have been better with a good prime or even a pro zoom, but I can't complain about the result I got. Beyond 100mm it gets dodgy and I really wouldn't use it above 135mm. I eventually replaced it with the Sigma 28-135 which is noticeably better (smaller filter,too - 62mm). Then I replaced *that* with a Tokina 28-70 which has an even more horrible 77mm filter ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Wouldn't THAT be nice! (TORONTO)
I actually should be able to do that lol --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really enjoy our little get togethers that we in Toronto have once in a while. It's nice, as well, to meet the odd out-of-towner who swings this way, like Paul Stenquist, Stan Halpin, or Mark Roberts (coming in April!). OK, looks like my Toronto trip is on. It's been moved up slightly: I'll be arriving on Thursday, 03 April and probably only staying one night due to my very restricted budget, so any get-together will have to be Thursday evening rather than Friday. I'd have preferred Friday (as would many others, no doubt) but that's the best I can do at the moment. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
SMC M 2.5/135mm
Hi all I'm considering buying this lens again (I lost the one I had and I thought it was great). Do any of you know this lens better that the SMC A 2.8/135mm, which I allready own? Thanks Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. marts 2003 21:01 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Wouldn't THAT be nice! (TORONTO) I actually should be able to do that lol --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really enjoy our little get togethers that we in Toronto have once in a while. It's nice, as well, to meet the odd out-of-towner who swings this way, like Paul Stenquist, Stan Halpin, or Mark Roberts (coming in April!). OK, looks like my Toronto trip is on. It's been moved up slightly: I'll be arriving on Thursday, 03 April and probably only staying one night due to my very restricted budget, so any get-together will have to be Thursday evening rather than Friday. I'd have preferred Friday (as would many others, no doubt) but that's the best I can do at the moment. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
new toy :-)
I think that finally I got a good deal on something :-) SMC A 24-50/4 in exc++/mint- condition for $92.5 including shipping. I guess this is quite a good price. The lens is really nice - it doesn't have that plasticky feel that some A lenses have. It's solid and looks to be all metal. I've heard that it's not a stellar performer, but I think that a 24mm focal lenght with SMC for under $100 is pretty good. Can't wait to shoot with this baby - and 24mm is sooo much wider than a plain 28mm :-) Regards, excited ukasz === www.fotopolis.pl [EMAIL PROTECTED] === internetowy magazyn o fotografii
Re: missed deadlines... and Tennessee PDML folk
ugh. Pug. missed it again, but this time it was extenuating circumstances... gotta get off the list in a couple of days for about 2 weeks too... The child/flower/puppy shot I thought I was gonna use was just too lousy and too difficult to spruce up in photoshop in my time frame. So who is near Pigeon Forge? Oakridge? (I may be going their for a day or two after) annsan
Re: Last Update and Fire Sale (was RE: For Sale (lots of stuff))
Tom, do you have a tracking number for the zx-5n? I sent the $70.00 check this morning, btw Good luck with the rest of the stuff ann
Re: Pentax zoom 28-200, PDML beano, Mayor of Brighton, Horizon 202
Mark Roberts wrote: I used to have the Tamron 28-200 [...] I eventually replaced it with the Sigma 28-135 which is noticeably better [...] Then I replaced *that* with a Tokina 28-70 [...] I'd suggest you could narrow the range even more. One of my favs is the 50-50/1.4. Small, lightweight, fast and sharp. It doesn't get any better than that. ;-) cheers, caveman
Re: SMC M 2.5/135mm
Hi all I'm considering buying this lens again (I lost the one I had and I thought it was great). Do any of you know this lens better that the SMC A 2.8/135mm, which I allready own? Thanks Jens Jens, are you talking about the M 135mm 3.5 or the K 135mm 2.5? But anyway, they are both better than the A 135mm. You could sell the A to buy the more expensive K lens (not a lot more expensive). If you want a light lens (hiking etc.), go for the M and you'll still have some money in the pocket. Andre --
Re: It's started!
This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side of this conflict we fall on. Let's keep the war out of our threads and stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family. That would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography. Amen. Fred
Re: OT: RE: It's started!
This should be OT and not even posted here. Not just OT, but OL (for off limits). Fred
Re: OT: RE: It's started!
Let's not get carried away, folks. Black and white does not exist in the world, except on film. Let's be more forgiving and understanding. The world outside of cameras does exist, even if you don't like what's going on. keith whaley Fred wrote: This should be OT and not even posted here. Not just OT, but OL (for off limits). Fred
Re: Let's Do It!! - So Vegas Then ?
Hmm, chair on the roof. Image of Beverly Hillbillies heading to LA. Actually, I walk a bit every day, so as not to feel welded to the chair. Victoria is great, and downtown hotels go for $39.95 Cdn at this time of year. Even in summer, they're only $10 or $20 more. It's not Lost Wages, Nevada, but we do have a casino, as well as lots of whale watching. You can fly in direct, but if you land in Vancouver, the hop over to the Island only takes about twenty minutes, and the commuter plane (40-seater?) only climbs to 4000 feet or so, meaning great views of the small islands it passes over. If you like scuba diving, there's a dive center on the waterfront. If you like drinking, some bars have $1 shooter nights, but I haven't checked it out. There are several brews only available on the Island. Some ads feature Customs agents removing bottles of a local brand from a departing visitor's suitcase, saying, The beer stays here! Some parts of downtown Victoria are as picturesque as old Quebec City, and the downtown's small enough to walk around. I spent three weeks here in 2001, returned to Toronto just long enough to attend a couple of family events, then came back to stay. Thirty years in Toronto is enough for anyone. Never ride your bicycle in the snow again, Frank! You'd be amazed at the number of recumbent bikes rolling around here. Uh-oh, I'd better stop before half of Ontario moves here. Pat White
Texas Members
How many list members are there that live in Texas and, what part? Wouldn't it be nice to plan a PDML state meeting somewhere? -- Later, Gary
Re: new toy :-)
Can't wait to shoot with this baby - and 24mm is sooo much wider than a plain 28mm :-) And makes some nice close-up head shots too... :) regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: What is this? Is it a Pentax Scanner?
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/ regards, Alan Chan http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2003/200316.html _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Texas Members
Here is a list from Chris Brogden. I don't know how up to date it is. Amarillo; Jackie Lee Mowery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin; Delano Mireles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin; Jose Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Burleston; Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Texas; John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Angelo; Charles Hardwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Eleanor Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spring; Tiger Moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waco; Jeff Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whitewright; Nicholas Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday 21 March 2003 08:58 pm, Gary L. Murphy wrote: How many list members are there that live in Texas and, what part? Wouldn't it be nice to plan a PDML state meeting somewhere? -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
FS Friday (LX, Lenses, etc)
Hi, Im doing a little house cleaning. Lenses Pentax K 24/f2.8 $200 Pentax M 50/f2 $20 Pentax A 135/f2.8 $100 Pentax 17/4 fish-eye $325 Pentax A 28-135/f4 zoom - $250 Pentax A 28-80/3.5-4.5 zoom $115 Takumar-A 28-80 $80 LX and LX related Pentax LX 523xxx Ex++ condition FA-1 finder $425 Pentax LX 532xxx Body only, user condition, no finder or cap, scratched focusing screen, works but needs CLA, sold as is, $235 LX screen SA-23 new in box $22 LX screen SD-11 $20 LX screen SE-20 has small mark $9 LX grip B $35 Misc Filters Hoya 49mm orange - $7 Tiffen 62mm orange - $9 Tiffen 62mm red - $9 Tiffen 62mm polarizer - $15 Hoya 62mm polarizer - $15 Hoya 49mm Sky $5 Vivitar 55mm Polarizer $10 Tiffen 52mm haze $9 Bargain items Pentax M 50/f2 internal dust No caps $5 Pentax M 50/f1.7 internal dust No caps dust $10 Please email me off list with any questions, photos available by request. Will consider any serious offer. Everything I dont sell here will eventually go to ebay. Geoff
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Re: Stan's trip March 29
Stan Dang it all I forgot about your little excursion. I could be around although I do know that I am expecting relatives to descend upon us later in the day. Would you fancy a ride in a motor vehicle Brighton-wards? Cheers Peter -- CAMERA DIRECT 8 DORSET STREET BRIGHTON EAST SUSSEX BN2 1WA UK TEL 44 1273 681129 FAX 44 1273 681135 http://www.camera-direct.com
Re: FS Friday (LX, Lenses, etc)
I'll take this one if it's still available. Ken On Friday 21 March 2003 09:22 pm, Geoff Moes wrote: Pentax M 50/f1.7 internal dust No caps dust $10 -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Re: PUG submissions
- Original Message - Subject: PUG submissions Hi folks, As a new guy I have a question I would like to direct to the mainters of the Gallery. I poked around and couldn't find out who the mainters were. Could they send me a private email so I can ask a question, or could someone tell me who and the email of a maintainer so I could pose my question. Wow, and I thought I had set that up so well. There is a series of links below the thumbnails, including an email hot link. Click on the here in contact the Gallery here to email the maintainer. William (former PUG guy) Robb
Re: Texas Members
Gary, I still live near Austin, Texas. I think it would be nice to have a PDML meeting down here... Regards, Jose R. Rodriguez Pflugerville, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/03/21 Fri AM 09:18:49 CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Texas Members Here is a list from Chris Brogden. I don't know how up to date it is. Amarillo; Jackie Lee Mowery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin; Delano Mireles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin; Jose Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Burleston; Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Texas; John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Angelo; Charles Hardwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Eleanor Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Antonio; Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spring; Tiger Moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waco; Jeff Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whitewright; Nicholas Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday 21 March 2003 08:58 pm, Gary L. Murphy wrote: How many list members are there that live in Texas and, what part? Wouldn't it be nice to plan a PDML state meeting somewhere? -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
Re: It's started!
There's no need for that kind of talk. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Thanks for the heads up Bill. Sad it came to this. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] piss off From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed.
Re: It's started!
Don't get your knickers ripped. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side of this conflict we fall on. Let's keep the war out of our threads and stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family. That would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography. At 08:19 PM 3/21/03 +0200, some fool wrote: piss off From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed.
Re: It's started!
Don't get your knickers ripped. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side of this conflict we fall on. Let's keep the war out of our threads and stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family. That would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography. Amen.
Re: It's started!
Hi, Friday, March 21, 2003, 11:01:52 PM, you wrote: No editorializing, just the facts, plain and simple. I'm thinking we'd have all found out about it sooner or later, but I don't see the harm in it... well, an emotive word like 'creamed' sounds to me more like editorializing than plain, simple facts. In case anybody wonders what it means to get 'creamed', here's part of a report from Robert Fisk, in Baghdad: The first of the latter, a taxi driver, was blown to pieces in the first American raid on Baghdad yesterday morning. No one here doubted that the dead would include civilians. Tony Blair said just that in the Commons debate this week but I wondered, listening to this storm of fire across Baghdad last night, if he has any conception of what it looks like, what it feels like, or of the fear of those innocent Iraqis who are, as I write this, cowering in their homes and basements http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=389208 I just figure, since I spout off when things get political, I should be balanced in my harangues... g Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Help needed in Chicago
Hi guys and gals, I guess we have on or more Chicagoans in the PDML (I hope so, at least - who wrote about Shoveling in Chicago?) A dear friend of mine, Alessandro, is spending a period of study at the university hospital (sort of...) of Chicago. He left Naples with his photo gear (Canon... :-( ) and a JVC MiniDV camcorder we won at a short movie on-line contest (the movie is Smack, I guess somebody recall that I annoyed all the PDML members asking for their vote...). The bad news are that the audio of the JVC is not working; since Alessandro doesn't know where to repair the camcorder (which, of course, has no US warranty) I thought to ask to our members in the windy city if they know how to help him. Thanks in advance. Gianfranco = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: Wouldn't THAT be nice! (TORONTO)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mark, Thursday April 3 is great for me! Just let us know where you'll be, and we can suggest a meeting place (or you can - whatever). Let us know what time is good for you (I'm off work by 5 each day). Whatever time that is, we'll tell Brendan to be there an hour earlier - that way we'll only have to wait 1/2 hour for him!! BTW, remember, a long long time ago, you sent me a rewind knob? You thought it might fit my MV (but it didn't). Turns out it's identical to the one on my MX. It was lost for about 6 months or more. Well, I found it! It's yours again if you want it! I'll bring one for an ME Super (I think that's the same one used on the MV) and trade you :-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Wouldn't THAT be nice! (TORONTO)
What a bummer. Weeknights are tough for me, after a long work day. I wanted to meet the man behind the Lighthouses (I'm a sucker for Lighthouses). Jeff. Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really enjoy our little get togethers that we in Toronto have once in a while. It's nice, as well, to meet the odd out-of-towner who swings this way, like Paul Stenquist, Stan Halpin, or Mark Roberts (coming in April!). OK, looks like my Toronto trip is on. It's been moved up slightly: I'll be arriving on Thursday, 03 April and probably only staying one night due to my very restricted budget, so any get-together will have to be Thursday evening rather than Friday. I'd have preferred Friday (as would many others, no doubt) but that's the best I can do at the moment.
Re: It's started!
Hi, Keith, Maybe you were including me in the ostrich-mimickers, maybe not - it doesn't really matter to me, one way or the other. But, just because one doesn't wish to see politics, etc. discussed here (it is list policy, after all), doesn't mean that one's head is in the sand. I, for one, was until quite recently, very politically active. Now, if what you mean is that anyone whose political opinions differ from yours has their head in the sand, well, that's a different issue altogether... cheers, ostrich boy vbg Keith Whaley wrote: The people who, when a different subject is mentioned, and especially any subject containing the word gun, or perhaps violence, or especially politics gasp! get a huge shot of adrenaline, and quickly put their heads back in the sand again! Those are our resident ostrich-mimicking Pentax list persons. keith whaley -- Honour - that virtue of the unjust! -Albert Camus
Re: It's started!
Yeah, you're right again, Frank. A heads-up is okay as long as people don't start editorializing. Paul frank theriault wrote: Hey, Bill, As the self-appointed, unofficial list haranguer, I just wanted to jump in and say I'm not offended by your post. No editorializing, just the facts, plain and simple. I'm thinking we'd have all found out about it sooner or later, but I don't see the harm in it... I just figure, since I spout off when things get political, I should be balanced in my harangues... g cheers, frank Bill Owens wrote: Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed. Bill -- Honour - that virtue of the unjust! -Albert Camus
Re: It's started!
Bob Walkden wrote: more political crap. Congratulations Bob. Once again, you've proved to be the horse's ass.
FS: Friday
This is the first time I sell here. I am still waiting for 2 more zoom lenses (FA28-70/4 FA70-200/4-5/6) and the film processed before I put them on eBay. So here you go... (these items will be available for as long as I haven't put them on eBay (probably late next week)). SMC-M 135/3.5 EX+ US$70 (with original front rear caps and serial number card, the mount was taped so matrix metering is possible with AF cameras. The only defect is 1mm fine scratch near the edge of the rear element. Since I have the FA*200/2.8 now, this has to go.) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/crop0005.jpg http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/M135back.jpg SMC-A 70-210/4 EX+ US$145 (with original front rear caps and serial number card, there is some paint wear near the aperture ring(see pic), glass scratch free. Since I have the FA*200/2.8 now, this has to go too.) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/crop0007.jpg http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/crop0006.jpg A 2X-S Rear Converter Mint US$200 (original box in EX, original hard case mint with original strap (still in original plastic bag), no manual, with original Pentax front rear caps, glass perfect, haven't got the film processed so no pic sorry) FF-60 screen for Z-1p US$10 (scratch free, but I marked it with 4 lines for easier vertical horizontal shots (see pic), with manual) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/screen.jpg MZ/ZX bottom plate battery compartment cover mint US$10 (with a set of screws, virtually new) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/MX_ZX.jpg LX LX Winder parts $30 (all brand new except the last 2 items at the bottom of the pic) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/LX.jpg Super A/program MDA parts $10 (all brand new) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/MDA.jpg Minolta 5 degree viewfinder $70 (virtually brand new, bought it 3 years ago but never used (mounted it a few times only), haven't got the film processed so no pic sorry, comes with everything included in the original package) PS: Free shipping to Canada US. All items are dent/ding/fungus free and work 100%. - Non-Pentax-related items: Canon BCI-21 colour ink cartiages (x2) US$10 (might not even cover the shipping, but I only use black so what the heck...) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/BCI-21.jpg SONY ECM-S5 mic US$10 (stereo, never used, takes 1 AA cell, for walkman or MD walkman etc) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/SONYmic.jpg Moisture trap for compressor US$20 (designed for small compressors selling in hobby shops) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/filter.jpg Gameboy Pocket US$30 (with 2 games, all mint, screen 100% scratch free) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/gameboy.jpg SWATCH watch US$10 (EX condition, needs battery) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/swatch.jpg Panasonic shaver US$20 (100-240V charger, shaver water resistance, rechargable battery needed to be replaced) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/shaver.jpg regards, Alan Chan _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Fun with Optio S Vegas it is
Valley of Fire is the first state Park of Nevada, somewhat north east of Las Vegas about an hour or so drive. A very photographical place. Check out a PUG posting of mine taken @ the park - http://pug.komkon.org/01sep/img0053.html Red Rock Canyon is closer to downtown, but I think Valley of Fire offers more/better opportunities. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Fun with Optio S Vegas it is I've been to Las Vegas several times...there is a canyon nearby...Fire Canyon or Canyon of Fire...I wanted to go and shoot the last time I was there, but time ran out. Wouldn't mind a chance to try again. Red Rock Canyon is the closest, only 20 miles outside of Vegas. Fire Canyon might be a part of it (there are a bunch of different canyons on a loop road). We rented a convertible and drove out there, and then we drove out to Death Valley. Best part of our Vegas trip. Have fun! Amita
Re: It's started!
frank theriault wrote: Hi, Keith, Maybe you were including me in the ostrich-mimickers, maybe not - it doesn't really matter to me, one way or the other. Nah, they know who they are. And so do you. But, just because one doesn't wish to see politics, etc. discussed here (it is list policy, after all), doesn't mean that one's head is in the sand. Absolutely true, sir. I didn't bring the subject up. Those who blanch at merely seeing the WORD are the ones I am gunning for (got 'em twice in one email!) grin #1 I, for one, was until quite recently, very politically active. I'm now a-political. I have opinions, and some strong ones, but am not what you'd call partisan. Now, if what you mean is that anyone whose political opinions differ from yours has their head in the sand, well, that's a different issue altogether... Certainly not! No sir! Most of my best friends are of a different cut of political cloth. Doesn't bother me at all. My own daughter, bless her soul, is miles apart from me in terms of women's lib issues and Democrat vs. Republican issues. She's amazed when I tell her the RNC doesn't speak for me anymore. Hasn't for years and years. I'm one of the original hybrids... Still, she's a brilliant, successful kid (of 40!) and has a great business head on her shoulders... It simply doesn't matter to me WHO she votes for! We talk about many other things... Know what? She doesn't turn white-faced or get palpitations when I speak the word 'gun' in her presence... We lambaste many colors of politicians, quite freely, and gleefully! when we get together. No reason Ostrich Boy can't be the same way. big grin If I respect everything else about you, who _cares_ what your political beliefs are? You could even admit to a love for Pentax's and I'd still respect you in the morning! g#3 keith cheers, ostrich boy vbg Keith Whaley wrote: The people who, when a different subject is mentioned, and especially any subject containing the word gun, or perhaps violence, or especially politics gasp! get a huge shot of adrenaline, and quickly put their heads back in the sand again! Those are our resident ostrich-mimicking Pentax list persons. keith whaley -- Honour - that virtue of the unjust! -Albert Camus
To William Robb
I'd reply to you off list, Willie, but your ISP rejects mail from my company gateway ISP: --- In the return mail... Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address Diagnostic code: smtp;553 You have been administratively blocked. See http://www.accesscomm.ca/internet/blocked (#5.7.1) Remote system: dns;qmail.accesscomm.ca (TCP|206.13.28.240|64159|204.83.142.82|25) (qmail.accesscomm.ca Welcome Dude. ESMTP) - The link (above) says... 553 Administratively blocked. See http://www.accesscomm.ca/internet/blocked If you tried to send mail to a user in the accesscomm.ca domain and received this error, it means that your mail server (or its smarthost, if applicable) has been blocked from talking to our mail server. This can happen one of two ways: 1.Your mail server was engaged in activities frequently employed by spammers, and was automatically blocked. 2.Multiple other systems on the same network as your mail server were engaged in activities frequently employed by spammers, resulting in the entire network being automatically blocked. If you are attempting to send legitimate email to one of our users, and it is being blocked, please contact the administrator of your mail server. You can refer your administrator to this page, and he/she can contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not contact us directly at this address; we will respond only to the mail server or netblock administrator. If you are an Access Communications Internet subscriber and have received this error, please contact our abuse department directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or our Internet Help Desk at 565-5357. We apologize for any inconvenience this process may have caused you. Internet Administration Group Access Communications --- This is my complete header as they received it... Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from tcp-daemon.mta6.snfc21.pbi.net by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) id [EMAIL PROTECTED] (original mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from BOBBYBGOOD ([216.100.84.63]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:33:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:32:19 -0800 From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: It's started! To: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you can see, the server they are referring to is a pbi.net server (That's Pacific Bell). Pacific Bell (SBC) is one of the larger ISPs in the US and is used by many regular businesses like ours (Technocom Corporation www.technocom-wireless.com) pacbell.net is our gateway. So, Willie, looks like you'll never be receiving anything from me or anyone else using pacbell.net directly. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin
anyone tried the sigma 20-40mm 2.8? or the 15-30mm?
the first one has had some good reviews how does it compare to pentax primes such as the 20mm and 24mm the second would be great on a dslr anone tried it?
Re: It's started!
Folks who are working in offices for a living. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: Re: It's started! Ed Matthew wrote: And whose head is so far in the sand that a 'heads up' is needed? Ed The people who, when a different subject is mentioned, and especially any subject containing the word gun, or perhaps violence, or especially politics gasp! get a huge shot of adrenaline, and quickly put their heads back in the sand again! Those are our resident ostrich-mimicking Pentax list persons. keith whaley From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: It's started! Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:01:20 -0800 Don't get your knickers ripped. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a very intense, emotional time for most of us, no matter which side of this conflict we fall on. Let's keep the war out of our threads and stick to the main subject that finds all of us inside this family. That would be photography and in particular, Pentax photography. At 08:19 PM 3/21/03 +0200, some fool wrote: piss off From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Tactile Cameras
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the camera as instrument were my primary focus, I wouldn't bother to put film in them - I'd just shoot blanks all day long Funny you should mention that. I've just been thinking about writing a short story about a photographer who leads an fanatical disciple on a brutally difficult mountain climb for the purposes of taking a photograph, carrying a huge view camera and tripod (this is kind of inspired by the ascent of Grandfather Mountain's McRae Peak with Cesar and Jerome last year!), only to reveal at the end that he's so much of a purist that he shoots without film now, just for the experience of setting up the shot. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: It's started!
Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now a-political. I have opinions, and some strong ones, but am not what you'd call partisan. Death to all fanatics! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: It's started!
Hi, Friday, March 21, 2003, 6:54:22 PM, you wrote: Bob Walkden wrote: more political crap. Congratulations Bob. Once again, you've proved to be the horse's ass. Is this the best you can come up with? I'm happy to be a horse's ass Paul if that's what it means to ask for some consideration and sympathy towards the victims of war, and if it distinguishes me from people like you. Consider for a moment how you would have felt on the morning of September 11th 2001 if somebody had written New York is getting creamed. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sunagor lens
Thanks for all the responses eveyone! Frits On Thursday 20 March 2003 20:36, Hagner, Andrew wrote: Hi Frits: I used one of these some years ago for a day. It was a bit of a novelty which wore off its appeal pretty quickly. With a M50mm f:1.7 it gave a full frame image with enough distortion to call it a fisheye effect. With my M28 f:2.8 it gave a circular image within the frame. Optically it had poor sharpness and very low contrast (muddy tonality). It was nearly useless with the 28 mm lens. Needless to say I never had the desire to use it again. I imagine all of these add-ons would give you similar quality. Not recommended. Cheers, - Andrew. -Original Message- From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 20, 2003 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sunagor lens I am holding a Sunagor Super Wide Semi Fish-Eye 0.42x made in Japan lens in my hand. It has no focus control or aperture. On the back it has 54mm thread, and a step down ring to 52mm. If I understand this correct, you can mount it on a lens like a filter, and it will give you a wide angle lens. Doe anyone know how good this is? What would the value be? The lens is in very good condition. -- Frits Wüthrich Pentaxianado
Re: test
On Friday 21 March 2003 21:27, Cotty wrote: please ignore - testing a new Eudora in OS X. It doesn't work, pitty. -- Frits Wüthrich Pentaxianado
Re: FS: Friday
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Re: FS: Friday
Sorry this should not have gone public /Paul From: Paul Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FS: Friday Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:41:15 -0800 Is it free shipping with this item as well? Gameboy Pocket US$30 (with 2 games, all mint, screen 100% scratch free) http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/gameboy.jpg _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: To William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: To William Robb As you can see, the server they are referring to is a pbi.net server (That's Pacific Bell). Pacific Bell (SBC) is one of the larger ISPs in the US and is used by many regular businesses like ours (Technocom Corporation www.technocom-wireless.com) pacbell.net is our gateway. So, Willie, looks like you'll never be receiving anything from me or anyone else using pacbell.net directly. Looks like it's used by less than regular businesses too. C'est la vie. William Robb
Re: Tactile Cameras
Sort of like fishing without hooks heh? And getting the other guys to carry the tripod g? Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Tactile Cameras frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the camera as instrument were my primary focus, I wouldn't bother to put film in them - I'd just shoot blanks all day long Funny you should mention that. I've just been thinking about writing a short story about a photographer who leads an fanatical disciple on a brutally difficult mountain climb for the purposes of taking a photograph, carrying a huge view camera and tripod (this is kind of inspired by the ascent of Grandfather Mountain's McRae Peak with Cesar and Jerome last year!), only to reveal at the end that he's so much of a purist that he shoots without film now, just for the experience of setting up the shot. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
sigma pan focus 135mm?????????????? f64
anyone tried it apparently it stops down to f64 any good
Re: Texas Members
John Mustarde wrote: I live near Phoenix, Arizona, which is actually Far West Texas. That's okay, John. We won't hold that against you and you're still welcome! :-) -- Later, Gary
Re: To William Robb
Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd reply to you off list, Willie, but your ISP rejects mail from my company gateway ISP: snip Received: from BOBBYBGOOD ([216.100.84.63]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 A lot of people are blocking parts of pbi.net just on principle because they support some notorious spammers, but the particular IP address here *was* an open mail relay at one time. It's since been fixed (I just tested it) so I suspect an email to the appropriate postmaster should be sufficient to get it unblocked. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: It's started!
Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, Friday, March 21, 2003, 6:54:22 PM, you wrote: Bob Walkden wrote: more political crap. Congratulations Bob. Once again, you've proved to be the horse's ass. Is this the best you can come up with? I'm happy to be a horse's ass Paul if that's what it means to ask for some consideration and sympathy towards the victims of war, and if it distinguishes me from people like you. Consider for a moment how you would have felt on the morning of September 11th 2001 if somebody had written New York is getting creamed. Would have been true, wouldn't it have, Bob... keith -- Cheers, Bob
Re: To William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: To William Robb A lot of people are blocking parts of pbi.net just on principle because they support some notorious spammers, but the particular IP address here *was* an open mail relay at one time. It's since been fixed (I just tested it) so I suspect an email to the appropriate postmaster should be sufficient to get it unblocked. Wow, my own thread name. After so many years, I have finally arrived.. Anyway, I have been down this road before. Access Communications subscribes to a real time net list which advises who is running open relays, and blocks these hosts accordingly. They are also very unwilling to unblock an ISP untill they have corrected their server and the list they use has been updated. I am sure that shortly after pbi.net corrects things, Bob will be able to send me emails to his hearts content. Until then, telle est la vie. William Robb
Bob Blakely
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: Re: RE: It's started! Don't get your knickers ripped. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Perhaps this is why Accesscomm is blocking you Bob. I am pretty sure I deleted this post half a dozen times already today. William Robb
Re: sigma pan focus 135mm?????????????? f64
adphoto wrote: anyone tried it apparently it stops down to f64 any good I actually *have* one! It does, indeed, stop to f64 It is an older all metal lens and a pretty decent one at that. Has a slide-out lenshood, as well. I have an aversion to 135mm focal length - just doesn't seem to ever mesh w/ where I am standing relative to my subject matter for some reason. Much prefer the 150mm FOV Are you interested in one? As I say - I never use it, so feel free to make a reasonable offer. Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Auction ending tomorrow
Just a reminder, I have several items up for auction ending about 4:00 PST tomorrow, Saturday 22 April. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsinclude=0userid =stanhsort=3rows=25since=-1rd=1 If that link doesn't work, the ebay ID to look for is stanh Includes SMC-A 135/2.8 currently at $52, M42 variable close-up ring (I know this as a helicoid extension in K mount and 645 lingo. Same thing, but less extension.) Currently at $24.50 SMC-M 135/3.5 currently at $60 645 body with choice of 120 or 220 insert, small or large eyecup, regular or grid screen, includes straps, body caps... Currently at $314 And some other stuff, currently at $10.50, $9.99, $2.25, and $18.50 Stan
Lens Hood Suggestions
After recently acquiring a deep, solid hood with my SMC 135/2.5 (Thanks Fred) I've decided to get hood for the rest of my lenses. I already have a flexible hood for my 50mm, but I like the protection offered by the solid hood more. Metal hood are preferable, but solid plastic hoods are ok too. I have the following lenses: 28-70 f/4 52mm filter 80-200 f/4.7-5.6 49mm filter 24mm f/2.8 52mm filter 50mm f/1.7 49mm filter 135mm f/2.5 58mm filter (already have an ok hood); Thanks in advance for your suggesetions -Scott
Re: SMC M 2.5/135mm
I have a K 135mm f/2.5. It's great, and I like the wide apperture for outdoor portrait type shots. It's a bit heavy, although tolerable for hiking. The all metal build is awesome. -Scott On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 12:17, Andre Langevin wrote: Hi all I'm considering buying this lens again (I lost the one I had and I thought it was great). Do any of you know this lens better that the SMC A 2.8/135mm, which I allready own? Thanks Jens Jens, are you talking about the M 135mm 3.5 or the K 135mm 2.5? But anyway, they are both better than the A 135mm. You could sell the A to buy the more expensive K lens (not a lot more expensive). If you want a light lens (hiking etc.), go for the M and you'll still have some money in the pocket. Andre --
Re: Texas Members
John Munro wrote: Gary wrote: How many list members are there that live in Texas and, what part? My Pentaxes are located in Austin. Meeting anyplace but Texarkana, Paris, Sanderson, Texline, Muleshoe, Quanah, Plano, Two Trees, Old Dime Box, or Vaughn is okay with me. Wherever, make sure it's NOT a dry county - we might want to start-up a travel fund and invite Cotty to be Master of Libations or Bruce if we're feeling sado-masochistic and NEED to drink (I've got some Kneekon D1Xs he can play with.) I didn't know Texas had any dry counties. (Although, since I don't drink anything stronger than Coca-Cola, I wouldn't necessarily know that.)
Re: OT: RE: It's started! - Let' start an off-topic list.
Let's be more forgiving and understanding. The world outside of cameras does exist, even if you don't like what's going on. hm, NO! If you want to talk about the world, I already offered to discuss... IN PRIVATE! L PS: Once I was on a mailing list that had an off topic side list. Anyone who is interested to debate off topic issues with fella' list members can take it there. Something like the war would pop up and all they had to say was, take it to the off-topic list and we did. It was a lot more civilized... I don't know who the boss is here but this might be something to consider...
Re: OT: RE: It's started! - Let' start an off-topic list.
Doug, This might be a nice idea. Would the server cope with it ? cheers, caveman Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote: PS: Once I was on a mailing list that had an off topic side list. Anyone who is interested to debate off topic issues with fella' list members can take it there. Something like the war would pop up and all they had to say was, take it to the off-topic list and we did. It was a lot more civilized... I don't know who the boss is here but this might be something to consider...
Street Prices
Need some help... What is the street price of the following: A 20mm/f2.8 K 24mm/f2.8 A 24mm/f2.8 A 35-135mm (not the 28-105, 28-135, 35-105) M 24-50mm/f4 A 24-50mm/f4 A 200mm/f4 A* 300mm/f4 Takumar-A 2x teleconverter A 2x-S teleconverter A 2x-L teleconverter for now... :) IF you know (or can make a more educated guess then I can :)) of ANY of these... pls let me know... L
RE: Wouldn't THAT be nice! was: Why I stick to Pentax
Hey there Frank! Do I see the making of a commercial??? WIth the assorted people on this list I can see us keeping order and just having a blast. Though I still don't think that I can match your bunny ears :-) Realizing he is so far behind on the list - again, Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:15 PM -- -- Hi, Cesar, -- -- Finding a bar big enough? That could be done. Finding a -- bar that would take us -- in? No problem. -- -- Finding a bar that wouldn't boot us all out after about an -- hour of carousing? -- That could be the problem... vbg -- -- cheers, -- frank -- -- Cesar Matamoros II wrote: -- -- snipWhat a concept though, a complete gathering of the -- PDML. It is both an -- exciting and a scary thought. Would there be a bar big -- enough for us all - -- and would they even take us in? snip -- -- -- -- -- Honour - that virtue of the unjust! -- -Albert Camus -- --
Pentax Teleconverters
Can someone compare the A 2x-L, A 2x-S and the Takumar-A 2x for me pls? thx L
RE: *ist AND Let's do it!
-- -Original Message- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:48 PM -- -- David Spaulding posted: -- The store I work in has quite a solid Pentax following -- and I get to sit and play with the -- MZ-S daily. Not sure about other camera stores...must be -- because we are a -- smaller -- specialty chain (only in Idaho). -- -- -- THAT settles it. I was all set to suggest that Cesar was the -- expert on all -- locations for PDML meets and he should be consulted, but the -- answer has now -- been provided. A store with a solid Pentax following and -- actual physical -- presence of the MZ-S? Obviously we all need to meet in -- Idaho. -- Wow, thanks Eleanor! I was actually starting to think about where would be a reasonable location. I didn't think anyone would expect an input from me bg. When I saw what Dave wrote I thought to myself - Self, can my photo store match the one in Idaho? As an aside, when thinking about the Synchronicity month in the PUG I was pondering where I would be and what would be available for shooting. Then it hit, my usual stopping place - where I am more than a customer but more like family - my photo store. They may not have much in terms of Pentax SLRs (an MZ-S still sits on the shelf), but their PS and digital cameras are well represented. H, if I can convince all into a PDML get-together here maybe that would make them carry more in the SLR range :-) They are bringing in the *ist D for my perusal, so they can't be all bad... But let me get back to you on locations... unless, of course there are other answers waiting for me to read. Taking a break to get my gear in order for the weekend, César Panama City, Florida
RE: Let's Do It!! (Was: RE: Wouldn't THAT be nice! was: Why I stick toPentax)
Not a bad choice for me. Not only have I been sent through there for business, but I also have a couple of places where I can stay. Had a blast at Red Rock Canyon, just outside Las Vegas, Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:18 AM -- -- One plus for Vegas is the availability of low airfares. -- Paul -- -- Paul Eriksson wrote: -- -- Vegas sounds great (for me) :-), only a couple of hours drive. -- /Paul -- -- -- Las Vegas! You can shoot inside the casinos. -- Steve Larson -- Redondo Beach, California -- -- --Hmm.. --Perhaps we should organize something then.. --one really big honking Pentax PDML meet ? -- --Can we have any suggestions for a reasonably -- centralized location that -- has --inexpensive accomodation, great facilities, lots of shooting -- opportunities --and courteous residents? --
Film Scanner
OK. Since I do not have one of these *ist-Ds I need someting to scan my pics with :)) Unfortunately I am an extremely busy person (grad-student who has to read 4-5 books a week) I cannot sit by the darn thing and do it frame by frame... Is there a machine out there that will scan all my color or bw negatives, positives on a film if I just feed it the end? I don't care if it takes forever as long as I will have 24-36 TIFF files afterwards that I can mess with... Any advice for me? thx L PS: I have another issue. I use Linux. Does anyone have experience with Linux compatibility of film scanners. Any input would be appreciated...
Re: Street Prices
Check KEH.com - Original Message - From: Levente -Levi- Littvay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Street Prices Need some help... What is the street price of the following: A 20mm/f2.8 K 24mm/f2.8 A 24mm/f2.8 A 35-135mm (not the 28-105, 28-135, 35-105) M 24-50mm/f4 A 24-50mm/f4 A 200mm/f4 A* 300mm/f4 Takumar-A 2x teleconverter A 2x-S teleconverter A 2x-L teleconverter for now... :) IF you know (or can make a more educated guess then I can :)) of ANY of these... pls let me know... L
Re: It's started!
Thanks, Bob. Yes, I was just giving a heads up. Really didn't mean to start a flame war. Bill - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: It's started! There's no need for that kind of talk. He's just giving a heads up as to a major world event taking place now. Thanks for the heads up Bill. Sad it came to this. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] piss off From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone with access to CNN, go there now. Baghdad is getting creamed.
Re: Stan's trip March 29
Hey - I am up for almost anything. I arrive by coach in Portsmouth at 0200 Saturday - by 1000 or earlier I should be ready to go. Tell me more what you have in mind. Stan on 3/21/03 3:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stan Dang it all I forgot about your little excursion. I could be around although I do know that I am expecting relatives to descend upon us later in the day. Would you fancy a ride in a motor vehicle Brighton-wards? Cheers Peter
Re: OT: RE: It's started! - Let' start an off-topic list.
This might be a nice idea. Would the server cope with it ? We are generating the unnessecary trafic anyway. It would only decrease the number of shut up-s... L
Re: Street Prices
Check KEH.com I did... and I am constantly checking... (have catalouges stacked up) but I find KEH a little over street price and some of these (though not all) I could not find info on.. I also check e-bay completed... L
