Re: Peso: Stephanie

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 She has a nice face.
 
 I'm on it.

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Re: Many Happy Returns Of The Day!

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 09:43:04 GMT
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 Subject: Re: Many Happy Returns Of The Day!
 
 Cotty wrote:
 
 On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
   
 
 IINM, today Annsan is a birthday girl ...
 
 
 
 She's not bad for 48 is she.
 
 a
 
 
 Hippy Bathday :-)
 
 you had to go and mention the hips did you?
 
 tanks, big guy
 a

It's worse than that.  Hip baths were a Victorian invention for bathing the 
infirm
http://www.answers.com/topic/hip-bath

I'd kick him in his wilting heap of foetid testicles, if I were you.


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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 10:29:39 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
 
 On 11/12/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Here's the 2006 list:
 
 Part 1:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html
 
 Part 2:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html
 
 Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really.

Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing.  Did he end up 
in clink?


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K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Sandy Harris
If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.

There are a lot of these available, everything from various
brands of used ones through new Russian ones
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm

For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?

What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Derby Chang
Sandy Harris wrote:
 If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
 also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.

 There are a lot of these available, everything from various
 brands of used ones through new Russian ones
 http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
 to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
 http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm

 For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
 Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
 consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
 package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?

 What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
 none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

   
Mark can explain this...

http://www.robertstech.com/compat.htm

A caution with screw mounts, though.

1. The lens should have an A-M switch, and you need to use it in M mode. 
It stops down the lens as you change the aperture = stop down metering. 
The first Voigtlander 40 SL in M42 doesn't have a switch, which is a 
pity because it is a fab lens.

2. Some M42 mounts aren't compatible with an adapter. Fujinon lenses 
come to mind - they have a little tab used for aperture sensing, but it 
is located on the mating face of the mount, which stops you screwing the 
lens fully onto the adapter.

Make that two cautions.

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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread David Savage
On Dec 11, 2007 6:59 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing.  Did he end up 
 in clink?

ROTFLMAO

Cheers,

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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/11 Tue AM 10:45:52 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: K10D and older lenses
 
 Sandy Harris wrote:
  If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
  also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.
 
  There are a lot of these available, everything from various
  brands of used ones through new Russian ones
  http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
  to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
  http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm
 
  For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
  Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
  consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
  package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?
 
  What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
  none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.
 

 Mark can explain this...
 
 http://www.robertstech.com/compat.htm
 
 A caution with screw mounts, though.
 
 1. The lens should have an A-M switch, and you need to use it in M mode. 
 It stops down the lens as you change the aperture = stop down metering. 
 The first Voigtlander 40 SL in M42 doesn't have a switch, which is a 
 pity because it is a fab lens.
 
 2. Some M42 mounts aren't compatible with an adapter. Fujinon lenses 
 come to mind - they have a little tab used for aperture sensing, but it 
 is located on the mating face of the mount, which stops you screwing the 
 lens fully onto the adapter.
 
 Make that two cautions.

I didn't expect the Australian exposition.


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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing.  Did he
end up in clink?

As far as I am aware, Bob's address is:

Robert Shell
03-15122
E108/A57
c/o New River Vally Regional Jail
PO Box 1067
Dublin
VA 24084



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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread David Savage
On Dec 11, 2007 8:32 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I didn't expect the Australian exposition.

Nobody expects...

Cheers,

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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/11 Tue AM 11:23:40 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
 
 On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing.  Did he
 end up in clink?
 
 As far as I am aware, Bob's address is:
 
 Robert Shell
 03-15122
 E108/A57
 c/o New River Vally Regional Jail
 PO Box 1067
 Dublin
 VA 24084

Bummer.


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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Timber

 Nobody expects...

 Cheers,

 Dave
...the Spanish Inquisition!

:D

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Re: Many Happy Returns Of The Day!

2007-12-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
Happy Birthday, Ann.  How are things in NY?  You live in the thick of
it, do you not?

 mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/11/2007 4:37 AM 

 
 From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 09:43:04 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Many Happy Returns Of The Day!
 
 Cotty wrote:
 
 On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
   
 
 IINM, today Annsan is a birthday girl ...
 
 
 
 She's not bad for 48 is she.
 
 a
 
 
 Hippy Bathday :-)
 
 you had to go and mention the hips did you?
 
 tanks, big guy
 a

It's worse than that.  Hip baths were a Victorian invention for bathing
the infirm
http://www.answers.com/topic/hip-bath 

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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 11, 2007 6:53 AM, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Nobody expects...
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 ...the Spanish Inquisition!

Our maneg weapon is fear and suprise, our two mane weapons are..

 :D

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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 10, 2007 10:12 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

 What? Brooksie wears a slip?

 Over his moose-hide thong.

Its winter here. I have had to break out the long thongs. They keep
your feet warm to.:-)


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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 10, 2007 8:35 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cotty wrote:

 On 10/12/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections
 
 Boy, don't you love Freudian slips

 No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like
 that, you call it a Brooksian slip.

Error.??

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Re: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 10, 2007 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, I don't shoot a K10D, but I do use Pentax glass on my 1DmII.

 I'm up to 14800. But - I just hoiked out the receipt, and I received it
 on Sep 23rd 2004. So that's, say 38 months divided by 14800 - that's a
 piffly 390 pics a month! The shutter is rated to 250,000 so I guess mine
 is still mint :-)

The D2H is rated for around 100-125K shutters. Mine went T***up at 9700.:-)

Tread softly there partner.:-)

Dave

 DSLR history:

 D60 in Sep 2002 for 1900 GBP  yikes. I sold it for about 600 quid IIRC
 when i got:

 1D mark II for 2999 GBP in Sep 2004.

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Re: PESO: Theriaultian Grace

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
She has a great smile.

I like how you treained some sharpnes in the first shot, around her
lips and chin.
Makes a nice central point.

Dave

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 A motion blur pic of Grace from yesterday.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6726434size=lg

 And a second shot that better displays the characteristics K 85/1.8,
 which I used for both of these pics:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6726440size=lg

 Both are at f2.5. The first is at 1/20th second, the latter at
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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Thongs around here are underwear made from small patches of cloth with 
straps made of dental floss designed to bare the butt cheeks...

Brian Walters wrote:
 In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet.

 Moose hide.  Feet.

 I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep




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 Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   
 Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed...

 Cotty wrote:
 
 On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
   
 What? Brooksie wears a slip?
 
 
 Over his moose-hide thong.

   
   
 

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Re: OT: Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
One of the local TV stations, CITY-TV had a story about this little
guy this morning.
Interesting fellow..

Dave

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 Nothing whatsoever to do with photography, but I thought people might
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Re: PESO -- Rocky Beach

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. I like the curved line.

The lots of sky works here.

Dave

On Dec 11, 2007 12:14 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20%20rockybeach.html

 Equipment:  Pentax *ist-D/Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm f2.8 vmc varifocal

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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections

 Boy, don't you love Freudian slips

 No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error  
 like
 that, you call it a Brooksian slip.

What? Brooksie wears a slip?

Well you know it's part of that whole Canadian lumberjack thing...


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OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread frank theriault
So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.

He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?).  He
asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor).
Of course I say yes!

He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!

He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.

The headshots I can can figure out.

What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for publicity
purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?),
plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?

What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking I'm
shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100
or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.

Any thoughts/advice/warnings?

Thanks!

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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think they let him out pending appeal.

mike wilson wrote:
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 10:29:39 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

 On 11/12/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

 
 Here's the 2006 list:

 Part 1:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html

 Part 2:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html
   
 Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really.
 

 Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing.  Did he end up 
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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread David Savage
On Dec 11, 2007 10:22 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, i'm here for an argument..

No your not.

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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Depends.  If they are A capable lenses then yes. The new Voightlander 
lenses are Ka mount and work fine, well at least as fine as any other Ka 
mount lens.  I've discovered that the Vivitar S1 70-210mm ver. 3 has a 
less than linear response to camera controlled aperture settings, in 
spite of having a Ka interface.  I expect that there may be many more 
lenses with that problem.  Some of the Russian lenses are actually 
presets, (pretty much T mount lenses).  I expect that even Russian 
lenses that have aperture simulators and automatic apertures will only 
support as much of the K mount specification as is needed by the various 
Russian K mount cameras, none of which have Ka lens mounts to my knowledge.

You may be disappointed with the Olympus, It's a nice camera but still 
has a fairly tunnel like viewfinder IMHO.

The Canon is supposed to be very nice, I've never seen one.  However it 
is still at least three times as expensive as the K10D. 

Sandy Harris wrote:
 If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
 also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.

 There are a lot of these available, everything from various
 brands of used ones through new Russian ones
 http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
 to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
 http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm

 For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
 Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
 consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
 package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?

 What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
 none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

   


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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Shouldn't that be you're.

David Savage wrote:
 On Dec 11, 2007 10:22 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Yes, i'm here for an argument..
 

 No your not.

 Cheers,

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PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread frank theriault
Chris is a Toronto bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
company forever, and his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
name, and I'm sure that Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
other name.  Chris Fifty:

http://tinyurl.com/2h96du

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/s1600-h/dec_10+001.jpg

Comment always welcome.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Yes, i'm here for an argument..
Can't help but feel he's trying to convince himself, he's correct.:-)



Dave

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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
What does he want for output?  8x10s?  Proof sheets?  Photo CDs?  All 
those things cost money.  You know it's sleazy, but you could look in 
the yellow pages and call a local photographer who's add says he/she/it 
specializes in event photography and ask for a quote...

frank theriault wrote:
 So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
 orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.

 He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?).  He
 asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor).
 Of course I say yes!

 He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!

 He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
 weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.

 The headshots I can can figure out.

 What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for publicity
 purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?),
 plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
 photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
 that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?

 What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking I'm
 shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100
 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.

 Any thoughts/advice/warnings?

 Thanks!

 cheers,
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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread David Savage
No.

We're talking about Dave B. and his desire for an argument.

I have no such desire.

Cheers,

Dave :-)

On Dec 11, 2007 10:48 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shouldn't that be you're.


 David Savage wrote:
  On Dec 11, 2007 10:22 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yes, i'm here for an argument..
 
 
  No your not.
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread Jack Davis
I like your $100 or more thought. However, there is that aspect of
quoting a only a print price that denotes a sense of a satisfaction
guarantee.
Then there is the print volume and size question.(?)

Jack

--- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
 orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.
 
 He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). 
 He
 asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor).
 Of course I say yes!
 
 He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!
 
 He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
 weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.
 
 The headshots I can can figure out.
 
 What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for publicity
 purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?),
 plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
 photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
 that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?
 
 What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking I'm
 shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least
 $100
 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.
 
 Any thoughts/advice/warnings?
 
 Thanks!
 
 cheers,
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Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-11 Thread John
Spotmatic
K1000
MX
LX

--- Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 William Robb wrote:
  Here is a sad survery.
  How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you
 are rarely, if ever, 
  using?
 
  List by model and number if you like.
 
  Reply in confidence to
 
  warobb at accesscomm.ca
 
  I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names
 when I have something.
 
  William Robb 
 
 

 645n
 67
 LX - 7 my pick for my international travels.
 Occasionally I pick up one of my many screwmount
 cameras and put a roll 
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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 11, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

 If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
 also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.

 There are a lot of these available, everything from various
 brands of used ones through new Russian ones
 http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
 to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
 http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm

 For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
 Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
 consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
 package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?

 What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
 none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

The Olympus E510 and E3 have in-body IS but it is only supported for  
4/3 System lenses, not adapted lenses.

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Re: PESO: Theriaultian Grace

2007-12-11 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Dave. If you're following the motion, you can sometimes get a sharp 
central point even when the rest of the image sows movement. Of cours it 
requires a great deal of luck:-).
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 She has a great smile.
 
 I like how you treained some sharpnes in the first shot, around her
 lips and chin.
 Makes a nice central point.
 
 Dave
 
 On Dec 10, 2007 7:16 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A motion blur pic of Grace from yesterday.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6726434size=lg
 
  And a second shot that better displays the characteristics K 85/1.8,
  which I used for both of these pics:
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6726440size=lg
 
  Both are at f2.5. The first is at 1/20th second, the latter at
  1/30th. ISO 1000
 
 
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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread pnstenquist
Excellent portrait. The deep shadows and the cigarette give it character. Good 
work.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Chris is a Toronto bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
 company forever, and his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
 name, and I'm sure that Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
 other name.  Chris Fifty:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2h96du
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/s1600-h/
 dec_10+001.jpg
 
 Comment always welcome.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread pnstenquist
If it's a professional, for profit orchestra, I would charge $200 for the 
shoot, then $10 for each 5x7,  $15 for each 8x12 and $25 for each 12X18. If 
they buy $100 worth of prints, I would give them a high res CD of all the 
images. If they're an amateur group or a school group, I would charge them $100 
for the shoot, about half as much as indicated above for prints, and I would 
give them the files regardless of how many prints they buy.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
 orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.
 
 He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?).  He
 asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor).
 Of course I say yes!
 
 He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!
 
 He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
 weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.
 
 The headshots I can can figure out.
 
 What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for publicity
 purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?),
 plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
 photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
 that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?
 
 What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking I'm
 shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100
 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.
 
 Any thoughts/advice/warnings?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
I tried to mount Industar 50-2 (50 mm f/3.5) via adaptor on my K10D
and upon switch on it asked me for the focal length for SR. Since that
moment SR worked fine.

On Dec 11, 2007 4:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 11, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

  If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
  also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.
 
  There are a lot of these available, everything from various
  brands of used ones through new Russian ones
  http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/pentax_cameras_lenses.htm
  to various Cosina/Voigtlander  products
  http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt_SL2.htm
 
  For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperature metering?
  Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
  consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
  package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?
 
  What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
  none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

 The Olympus E510 and E3 have in-body IS but it is only supported for
 4/3 System lenses, not adapted lenses.

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RE: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count

2007-12-11 Thread Y. Rowe
My K10D has seen 4,669 actuations, however, it is one of three Pentax dSLRs
in my kit. 


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 07:34
 To: Pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count
 
 Seems like it's the season for surveys.  Here's another one:
 
 What's your shutter count up to on your K10D?
 
 I go through long periods where it seems nothing in my world sparks
 photographic interest, so mine is only at 2137
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Re: Many Happy Returns Of The Day!

2007-12-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Yes, Happy Birthday Ann! Regards,  Bob S.

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 IINM, today Annsan is a birthday girl ...

 Happy Birthday!

 yer buddy,
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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Adam Maas
Ditto the Sony's. Only Pentax supports SR without camera/body communication.

-Adam

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 The Olympus E510 and E3 have in-body IS but it is only supported for
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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://tinyurl.com/2h96du

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/
s1600-h/dec_10+001.jpg

Comment always welcome.

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Re: K10D and older lenses

2007-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
a more complete answer:

On Dec 11, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

 If I get a K10D, I'll buy some lenses  with it. However, I'd
 also want use manual focus K-mount lenses.

 For those lenses, does a K10D give full aperture metering?

Full aperture metering is enabled for all KA-mount and later series  
lenses, that is, those with an A position on the aperture ring.  
(Pentax lens series Pentax-A, Pentax-F, Pentax-FA, as well as  
the current Pentax-DA and Pentax-D-FA models.)

Older, plain K-mount lenses are supported with semi-automated stop- 
down metering in Manual exposure mode.

Pentax in-body IS supports using older lenses by users inputting the  
focal length manually.

 Is it any better for those lenses than other cameras I might
 consider -- Oly e510 for in-body anti-shake in a smaller
 package or a 5D for those big pixels -- with an adapter?

Pentax mount lenses adapted to 4/3 System or EOS mount must be  
operated with manual iris, stopped down manually for metering and  
exposure.

Olympus' in-body IS only supports native 4/3 System lenses, there is  
no way to input a focal length manually which is needed to operate  
the stabilization system. Adapted lenses work just as they do for  
Canon EOS: manual iris, stopped down manually for metering and exposure.

 What about for screw mount Pentax lenses? My guess is
 none of the adapters give full aperature metering for those.

Pentax screw mount lenses can be adapted to all of the above and work  
the same way as adapted lenses on Canon and Olympus: manually stopped  
down for metering and exposure.

Godfrey

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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread Doug Brewer


David Savage wrote:
 No.
 
 We're talking about Dave B. and his desire for an argument.
 
 I have no such desire.

yes you do

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Re: Interesting article on DOF with APS-C cameras

2007-12-11 Thread pnstenquist
BULLSHIT!
 -- Original message --
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 David Savage wrote:
  No.
  
  We're talking about Dave B. and his desire for an argument.
  
  I have no such desire.
 
 yes you do
 
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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread Jack Davis
I'd add that a CD comprised of high res images be offered at a set
price. It would be expected that a soft estimate of a forthcoming image
count be understood. Price, $200.
They could then use the CD as they see fit. I would think that
'commercial use' would require a printing business be involve in
providing such material.(?)

Jack
--- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like your $100 or more thought. However, there is that aspect of
 quoting a only a print price that denotes a sense of a satisfaction
 guarantee.
 Then there is the print volume and size question.(?)
 
 Jack
 
 --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
  orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.
  
  He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?). 
  He
  asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an
 actor).
  Of course I say yes!
  
  He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!
  
  He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal
 this
  weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.
  
  The headshots I can can figure out.
  
  What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for
 publicity
  purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or
 two?),
  plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
  photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
  that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?
  
  What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking
 I'm
  shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least
  $100
  or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.
  
  Any thoughts/advice/warnings?
  
  Thanks!
  
  cheers,
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January PUG form is up

2007-12-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Submit photos here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?cat=4  I've also added the 
themes for 2008 here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?page_id=20

I'll be updating pug.komkon.org with the new theme information over the 
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Re: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count

2007-12-11 Thread wendy beard
On Dec 10, 2007 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, I don't shoot a K10D, but I do use Pentax glass on my 1DmII.

 I'm up to 14800. But - I just hoiked out the receipt, and I received it
 on Sep 23rd 2004. So that's, say 38 months divided by 14800 - that's a
 piffly 390 pics a month! The shutter is rated to 250,000 so I guess mine
 is still mint :-)


Dream on!
Mine broke at ~48,000
The 1Dmk2 shutter isn't as robust as they claim. I know plenty of
others who've had the same failure about the same time.

W

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Re: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, wendy beard, discombobulated, unleashed:

The 1Dmk2 shutter isn't as robust as they claim. I know plenty of
others who've had the same failure about the same time.

W!!!

Thanks Wend. At my shooting rate, that gives me another 7 years or so.
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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
This is always tricky, and i have yet to come up with a definate
version for myself.

Although i do advertise on my site i will do onsite location shoots,
only the farm we board at has asked and i usually give a decent rate
for any of our boarders on prints etc.

I always felt an hourly charge would suite best. I feel $40.00-$50.00
an hour would suffice, for me, to come a do a shoot. For that i would
supply a high res CD for an additional fee, or a low res one for
proofs. I would charge like Paul suggested, which is lees than my
normal, but i am getting an hourly rate.

For a two hour shoot, plus a CD i think $200-$250.??

Dave



On Dec 11, 2007 8:27 AM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, I've got this friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
 orchestra.  They're having a concert this weekend.

 He looks at some of my stuff, says he likes it (he likes blurry?).  He
 asks if I do event photography and head shots (he's also an actor).
 Of course I say yes!

 He wants headshot later in the winter.  No problems!

 He wants to know if I can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
 weekend.  He wants to know what my rates are.

 The headshots I can can figure out.

 What about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for publicity
 purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or two?),
 plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for the
 photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of photos
 that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the shoot?

 What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm thinking I'm
 shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at least $100
 or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.

 Any thoughts/advice/warnings?

 Thanks!

 cheers,
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Re: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Not knowing who's that Robert Frank fellow, but I sure like what I see...

Boris

Cotty wrote:
 On 06/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Another from Nu Yawk ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/50a.htm

 Comments, critique, etc always appreciated.
 
 Robert Frank eat yer heart out. GREAT shot.
 


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Re: Why not have another Survey? K10 shutter count

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 11, 2007 11:33 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/12/07, wendy beard, discombobulated, unleashed:

 The 1Dmk2 shutter isn't as robust as they claim. I know plenty of
 others who've had the same failure about the same time.

 W!!!

 Thanks Wend. At my shooting rate, that gives me another 7 years or so.
 Suits me ;-)

Plenty of time for that, no pressure, what the GFM contest CD is due
in 3 minutes, kind of shooting.:-)

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Re: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Not knowing who's that Robert Frank fellow

Boris, do yourself a favour. Go order this book - it should be on every
photographer's shelf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Americans.jpg

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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Nice. Good caught in real life feel to it


Dave

On Dec 11, 2007 8:55 AM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Chris is a Toronto bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
 company forever, and his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
 name, and I'm sure that Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
 other name.  Chris Fifty:

 http://tinyurl.com/2h96du

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/s1600-h/dec_10+001.jpg

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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/11/2007 5:38:40 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I've got this  friend of a friend who is involved with a chambre
orchestra.  They're  having a concert this weekend.

He looks at some of my stuff, says he  likes it (he likes blurry?).  He
asks if I do event photography and  head shots (he's also an actor).
Of course I say yes!

He wants  headshot later in the winter.  No problems!

He wants to know if I  can shoot the orchestra during a rehearsal this
weekend.  He wants to  know what my rates are.

The headshots I can can figure out.

What  about the shoot for the orchestra?  He wants them for  publicity
purposes.  I'm thinking a flat fee for the shoot (a hundred or  two?),
plus charging for photos that he wants?  Or just charge for  the
photos?  Or just the flat fee with an agreed upon number of  photos
that I'll give him after he looks at a portfolio of the  shoot?

What should the total be (however I structure it)?  I'm  thinking I'm
shooting the rehearsal for an hour or two, I should make at  least $100
or more, plus have my materials (for prints) covered.

Any  thoughts/advice/warnings?

Thanks!

cheers,
frank


===
Well,  you have to base your estimate on what you think he will pay. He's 
probably  expecting to get a deal. I'd charge an hourly rate ($40-$60) an hour 
and include  a CD of high res images in the price (unprocessed). For processed 
images on cd  (BW conversion, cropping, etc.) there is an additional charge.. 
Prints  extra, but not a lot extra, more in the cents, under a dollar range. 
If they  have never used a professional photographer they probably expect 
prints to cost  what they do when labs produce them. Pretty much at cost, maybe 
a 
few cents  more.

But, then I tend to undercharge (I mean in general, I have never  charged for 
photography). You might even go to $75 per hour. He really probably  does 
expect a deal, if he hired you from a web page, then he'd probably be  
expecting 
to pay. Bumping into you, he probably expects a discount.  

Well, that's just my opinion. Charging extra for PSing, should bring in  
more. But definitely charge for that as an extra fee, it takes a lot of time.  
And 
no prints without PSing, i.e. he has to pay for PSing for you to make  prints.

Marnie aka Doe  And I have no idea what I am talking about.  

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Re: PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
I have a nagging feeling that the guy on the right is going to fall onto 
the ball he's throwing...

So, Cotty, sir, you've now joined Godders here in the Panny world...

;-)

Boris


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 Panasonic L1 + SMC-A 20mm 2.8
 
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Re: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Very lovely!

Boris


Francis wrote:
 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_id=1s=pentaxdiscuss
 Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow showed up 
 at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning after our first 
 big snowfall
 
 Cheers,
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Boris (PESO) Week 50

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Everychair ;-)

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=19879full=1

Cheers!

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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/11/2007 5:56:47 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chris is a Toronto  bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
company forever, and  his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
name, and I'm sure that  Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
other name.  Chris  Fifty:

http://tinyurl.com/2h96du

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/s1600-
h/dec_10+001.jpg

Comment  always welcome.

Thanks in  advance!

cheers,
frank


Very nice, frank.  Gritty.

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary...

Boris


Bob W wrote:
 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.
 
 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.
 
 http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg
 
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Re: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-11 Thread Gonz
 I bought it because I was planning to hitchhike around Europe with a
 girlfriend for a few months, and I wanted something better than my
 first SLR, a Zenith. Here's a picture taken with the MX of the
 aforementiond gf, running along a beach somewhere in the S of France
 (Gruissan or Cap d'Agde, I think):
 http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg

 I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs
 cleaning.


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Re: PESO: Coffee Shop Gamers

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Well caught!

The expressions are really superb.

Boris


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 Another coffee shop pic. K10D with the FA 50/1.4. Cropped to about  
 60% of frame, ISO 1000, f2.5 @ 1/100th.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6719465size=lg
 


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Re: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
What is it reformed smoker???

Cool photo though! Was it 50 mil?

Boris


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 Maybe it's because I'm a reformed smoker, but the ritual of smoking
 fascinates me.  Maybe because it's so irrational:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/244pzx
 
 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RzhRgETQoII/A9E/DEFbPhI4LMY/s1600-h/nov_12+001.jpg
 
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Re: PESO: Coffee Shop Gamers

2007-12-11 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Boris.

 -- Original message --
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Well caught!
 
 The expressions are really superb.
 
 Boris
 
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
  Another coffee shop pic. K10D with the FA 50/1.4. Cropped to about  
  60% of frame, ISO 1000, f2.5 @ 1/100th.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6719465size=lg
  
 
 
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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Excellent photo. It really has the character!

Boris

frank theriault wrote:
 Chris is a Toronto bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
 company forever, and his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
 name, and I'm sure that Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
 other name.  Chris Fifty:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2h96du
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R16RlFZI9HI/BGw/dv5_gHX39PM/s1600-h/dec_10+001.jpg
 
 Comment always welcome.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: Pentax Photo Gallery trivia

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
I haven't voted for my portion for at least two weeks... I wonder if I 
ever am going to see the light at the end of the tunnel ;-)

Jostein, I think you're a bit too preoccupied with numbers and stats...

Boris


AlunFoto wrote:
 Conclusion:
 The minimum estimate of throughput must be about a thousand photos per
 fortnight. No wonder Pentax couldn't cope with the volume of
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Re: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
A smoker who's quit.  Though I think it should be one who's gone back to 
the essence...

Boris Liberman wrote:
 What is it reformed smoker???

 Cool photo though! Was it 50 mil?

 Boris


 frank theriault wrote:
   
 Maybe it's because I'm a reformed smoker, but the ritual of smoking
 fascinates me.  Maybe because it's so irrational:

 http://tinyurl.com/244pzx

 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RzhRgETQoII/A9E/DEFbPhI4LMY/s1600-h/nov_12+001.jpg

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Re: Boris (PESO) Week 50

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Interesting design there.:-)

I like how my eye is led from the chairs in front to those in the back.

Dave

On Dec 11, 2007 12:07 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Everychair ;-)

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=19879full=1

 Cheers!

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Re: Pentax Photo Gallery trivia

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 11, 2007 1:09 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jostein, I think you're a bit too preoccupied with numbers and stats...

5% of about 20-30 of us are, which leaves 79% or 100-200 of us to , oh
you know..:-)

Dave

 Boris


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  Conclusion:
  The minimum estimate of throughput must be about a thousand photos per
  fortnight. No wonder Pentax couldn't cope with the volume of
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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, you have very keen sense for producing a photo series...

I can almost recall me walking with you along your wet walk...

Boris


Bob W wrote:
 Some photos I took walking home from the shops this afternoon. The
 Frankish quality of some is the result of slow shutter speeds,
 handheld:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/Wet/
 
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make your own fisheye lens

2007-12-11 Thread Scott Loveless
The wife sent this to me earlier today.  Thought some of you hardware 
hackers might want to try it out.

http://photojojo.com/content/diy/make-your-own-fisheye-lens/

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Re: Wide dynamic range in Andes mountains/Argentina (questions and PESO)

2007-12-11 Thread Boris Liberman
I hear you, Igor. Yes, indeed, since I got my *istD I shot no more than 
10 films (in almost 3 years)...

And indeed with digital some kind of HDR solution would be necessary. 
Well, I think I'd rather play with gray gradient filters 'cause I am 
very reluctant to do any serious post-processing.

Your mileage probably *should* be different than mine.

Boris



Igor Roshchin wrote:
 Boris,
 
 Yes, that's indeed an option. Although, I should admit, I haven't
 used the film camera since I got DS. 
 It would not be a convenient option to have two bodies during a
 vacation trip where we tried to fly without checking in any luggage
 (except for the return trip, where we had to check in one bag because
 we had wine, and liquids are forbidden in the carry-on when flying
 to the US).
 
 Coincidentally, during this trip to Argentina
 we discussed that it was nice not to worry about having the film
 for a hand check while going through airport security.
 
 I started playing with various layers today, as P.J.A. suggested.
 It's coming out rather funny. (well, I am making it that way.)
 If I have enough time and energy, I will finish it at some point.
 I might post it back here then.
 
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Re: PESO - Chris Fifty

2007-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:55 AM, frank theriault wrote:

 Chris is a Toronto bike messenger.  He's worked at the same courier
 company forever, and his radio number is 50.  I'm sure he has a last
 name, and I'm sure that Fifty isn't it, but no one knows him by any
 other name.  Chris Fifty:

 http://tinyurl.com/2h96du

Excellent. You caught a very real expression and gesture.

I love the deep tones, although maybe a little lightening of the  
tones in his face would be an improvement.

Godfrey

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Re: FS Friday: random items

2007-12-11 Thread Amita Guha
Yep, I like to keep 'em guessing. ;)

Amita

On Dec 7, 2007 3:19 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hard to tell from this, what system you have now.

 LOL

 Dave


 On Dec 7, 2007 1:45 PM, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here is a link to my ebay auctions for this week:
  http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbfift2girl
 
  Pentax S80-80 lens case for D-FA 50mm Macro or 55mm f/2.8
  Pentax PH-RBB lens hood for SMCP-DA 50-200mm lens
 
  Nikkor 70-210mm f/4 constant aperture zoom
  Nikon Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G
  Nikon FA Film Camera
 
  Canon 100-300 5.6l Macro Zoom
 
  Amita
 
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Re: make your own fisheye lens

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
It's just a plot to keep you from buying more equipment...

Scott Loveless wrote:
 The wife sent this to me earlier today.  Thought some of you hardware 
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Re: Paw ~ Junco Portrait ~

2007-12-11 Thread David J Brooks
Good shot with nice back ground.

Boo gives it two paws up.:-)

Dave

On Dec 8, 2007 2:52 PM, Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good morning all!

 http://www.islandlight.ca/showphoto.php?image_id=470gallery_id=1s=pentaxdiscuss
 Hungry after a long cold night, this energetic little fellow showed up
 at my feeder with about twenty of his kin on the morning after our first
 big snowfall

 It's very embarrassing, up until last night when I looked it up, I
 thought that junco was spelled Junko, and I'd been spewing it all over
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RE: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread Bob W
if you click through to the main article you'll find this rather
interesting quote:

in the U.S. Popular Photography, for one, derided Frank's images as
meaningless blur, grain, muddy exposures, drunken horizons and
general sloppiness. 

Hmm. What's in a name?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Cotty
 Sent: 11 December 2007 17:21
 To: pentax list
 Subject: Re: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG
 
 On 11/12/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Not knowing who's that Robert Frank fellow
 
 Boris, do yourself a favour. Go order this book - it should 
 be on every
 photographer's shelf.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Americans.jpg
 
 :-)
 


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RE: Mouldering film camera survey

2007-12-11 Thread Bob W
I deleted it yesterday.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Gonz
 Sent: 11 December 2007 17:40
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey
 
  I bought it because I was planning to hitchhike around Europe with
a
  girlfriend for a few months, and I wanted something better than my
  first SLR, a Zenith. Here's a picture taken with the MX of the
  aforementiond gf, running along a beach somewhere in the S of
France
  (Gruissan or Cap d'Agde, I think):
  http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg
 
  I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs
  cleaning.
 
 
 I get a 404 not found error.
 
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Re: PESO - Bowlers

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

So, Cotty, sir, you've now joined Godders here in the Panny world...

Yes but not sure for how long. It's a fabulous little (!) camera but I
have two issues with it - the viewfinder and frame rate. It is painfully
slow to me, although this really shouldn't matter as I wanted a camera
that wasn't fast - eg I wanted to concentrate on the so-called decisive
moment, rather than ratatatatatat my pics. I can do that at 8fps with my
big Canon (as the bishop said to the actress). But the viewfinder is
really not up to manual focussing.

For what it is, it's a superb piece of kit and as it only cost me a
couple of hundred quid at the end of the day, I'll probably hang onto
it. The flash is a miracle of design, and ergonomically it's great to
use. But I probably want it to be something else - something that it isn't.

Meanwhile, I'm searching for my next acquisition ;-)

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Re: Wet Ones

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

I can almost recall me walking with you along your wet walk...

He's over the worst now I understand, and has sent back the extra nappies.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

in the U.S. Popular Photography, for one, derided Frank's images as
meaningless blur, grain, muddy exposures, drunken horizons and
general sloppiness. 

Hmm. What's in a name?

As it happens, I rather like meaningless blur, grain, muddy exposures,
drunken horizons and
general sloppiness. The man is one of the masters IMO.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 50a - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
If I didn't know this was a complement, I'd think you were insulting him.

Cotty wrote:
 On 11/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 in the U.S. Popular Photography, for one, derided Frank's images as
 meaningless blur, grain, muddy exposures, drunken horizons and
 general sloppiness. 

 Hmm. What's in a name?
 

 As it happens, I rather like meaningless blur, grain, muddy exposures,
 drunken horizons and
 general sloppiness. The man is one of the masters IMO.

   


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Re: PESO -- Lighthouse and Pavilion II

2007-12-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 10, 2007, at 13:05, Jack Davis wrote:

 Prefer the first. Too much featureless content in II.


I concur.  Add in the fuzziness and, well, it would make a nice  
background to a webpage maybe but nothing specifically catches my eye.

Good for helping you remember the evening, though!

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Re: Scandinavian interest: K100 Super at Clas Ohlson

2007-12-11 Thread Thibouille
On Dec 10, 2007 11:56 PM, Bertil Holmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Clas Ohlson is the largest hardware chain in Scandinavia, selling DIY
 products to all grown boys here. They are planning to open four
 outlets in the UK London area next year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Clas_Ohlson

 Few photography chains can offer 70 outlets and a printed catalog
 that goes into almost every home.

 I think it's great that the excellent K100 gets this kind of
 exposure, even if it is to a small market global wise.

Indeed, lol. Pun intended ?

 They are offering the DSLR with set lens for SEK 4495, a decent
 price, I think (compares to about US$699).

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Re: Boris (PESO) Week 50

2007-12-11 Thread Doug Franklin
David J Brooks wrote:

 I like how my eye is led from the chairs in front to those in the back.

 On Dec 11, 2007 12:07 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Everychair ;-)

 http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=19879full=1

I think I'd like it more if it had either a lot more or a lot less DoF.

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PAW 2007 - 51 - GDG

2007-12-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Another from the New York trip:

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/51.htm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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A suggestion

2007-12-11 Thread mike wilson
Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
constructive one.

How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.

Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

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RE: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread Bob W
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Boris Liberman
 Subject: Re: PESO - Sparking One Up
 
 
  What is it reformed smoker???
 
 
 In Canada, tobacco smoking is a semi illegal past time. A 
 reformed smoker is 
 one who has stopped smoking.
 

Really? How disappointing. I always thought it was something like the
slices of reformed ham and reformed chicken that supermarkets sell to
put in sandwiches. 

Bob


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Re: Peso: Stephanie

2007-12-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net; Subject: Re: Peso: Stephanie


 Well, here ya go boss. Don't ask me what i did cos I've had some wine.
 Well, rather a lot ashley. Have a look anyway

 http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html


Don't call me ashley.

Good job. Very different from mine.
In some ways I like your's better.

I found 3 BW pictures that were sent to me a while back from my 
unfortunately cancelled prints from around the world project.
Do you think I should post them?

And who the hell has the travel camera?

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Re: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: PESO - Sparking One Up


 What is it reformed smoker???


In Canada, tobacco smoking is a semi illegal past time. A reformed smoker is 
one who has stopped smoking.

William Robb


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Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style

2007-12-11 Thread Bob Blakely
You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, 
come in sizes up to ... 22!

Regards,
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Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message,
but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet.

 Moose hide.  Feet.

 I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep

 Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed...

 Cotty wrote:
  On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  What? Brooksie wears a slip?
 
  Over his moose-hide thong.


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Re: make your own fisheye lens

2007-12-11 Thread Rick Womer
I wear progressive bifocals--gotta try this with an
old lens from them!

Rick

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 The wife sent this to me earlier today.  Thought
 some of you hardware 
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Re: Peso: Stephanie

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

Don't call me ashley.

Roger.


Good job. Very different from mine.
In some ways I like your's better.

I am honoured. We have much to discuss over a glass of wine one day.


I found 3 BW pictures that were sent to me a while back from my 
unfortunately cancelled prints from around the world project.
Do you think I should post them?

That would be interesting - IIRC I sent one made on an Epson Stylus Photo EX !


And who the hell has the travel camera?

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Re: A suggestion

2007-12-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
constructive one.

How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.

Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

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Re: Opinions please

2007-12-11 Thread Bob Blakely
Which one is the TARDIS and why isn't it blue?

Regards,
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but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary...
 
 Boris
 
 
 Bob W wrote:
 This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have
 photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo
 last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this
 composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts.
 
 I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why.
 
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Re: OT - Almost Like a Gig - What to Charge?

2007-12-11 Thread frank theriault
On Dec 11, 2007 9:54 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If it's a professional, for profit orchestra, I would charge $200 for the 
 shoot, then $10 for each 5x7,  $15 for each 8x12 and $25 for each 12X18. If 
 they buy $100 worth of prints, I would give them a high res CD of all the 
 images. If they're an amateur group or a school group, I would charge them 
 $100 for the shoot, about half as much as indicated above for prints, and I 
 would give them the files regardless of how many prints they buy.
 Paul

I like your answer, Paul.  Succinct, to the point, and lots of figures!

;-)

Anyway, since it's a not-for-profit community-based thing, I proposed
$100 for the shoot and your print prices, and they seem to think
that's very reasonable.

This is like my first professional gig - luckily, the *istD is
black!  I've sold prints before, but never been hired for a shoot.
This will be going into my resume!

Thanks to everyone who answered!

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Re: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Wow.  I need a cigarette after reading that.  Nice photo, Frank.  I like it.

Polyhead wrote:
 wow, what a nice guy, smoking right there in the door so the wrest of
 us can breathe his wonderfull smoke.  God how I smokers,
 inconsiderate asses each and every one of them.  No better than
 street drinkers.  I've always wondered why smoking should be remain
 legal in public while drinking is not.  Atleast, for the most part
 anyway, street drinkers are dousing their booze all over you.
 
 Maybe it's because I'm a reformed smoker, but the ritual of smoking
  fascinates me.  Maybe because it's so irrational:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/244pzx
 
 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RzhRgETQoII/A9E/DEFbPhI4LMY/s1600-h/nov_12+001.jpg
 
 
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Re: A suggestion

2007-12-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: mike wilson
Subject: A suggestion


 Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
 of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
 constructive one.
 
 How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
 have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
 portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
 Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
 
 Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

Why don't we all just send Doug a quarter...
Seriously though, I think it's a great idea.

William Robb

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Re: Peso: Stephanie

2007-12-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty
Subject: Re: Peso: Stephanie



 I am honoured. We have much to discuss over a glass of wine one day.

It's gonna take more than a glass, I think.


I found 3 BW pictures that were sent to me a while back from my
unfortunately cancelled prints from around the world project.
Do you think I should post them?

 That would be interesting - IIRC I sent one made on an Epson Stylus Photo 
 EX !

I'll get a crew on it. I think I have to set up another hub to give my 
scanner something to plug into though.

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Re: PESO - Sparking One Up

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Sounds as disgusting as Chicken Slurry 
http://svextra.com/blogs/gmsv/2005/08/dark_meat_the_o.html

Bob W wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Boris Liberman
 Subject: Re: PESO - Sparking One Up


 
 What is it reformed smoker???

   
 In Canada, tobacco smoking is a semi illegal past time. A 
 reformed smoker is 
 one who has stopped smoking.

 

 Really? How disappointing. I always thought it was something like the
 slices of reformed ham and reformed chicken that supermarkets sell to
 put in sandwiches. 

 Bob


   


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Re: Peso: Stephanie

2007-12-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Why would the Dobo change his name if he were there, wouldn't he want to 
take advantage of the intimidation factor?

Cotty wrote:
 On 11/12/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

   
 Don't call me ashley.
 

 Roger.

   
 Good job. Very different from mine.
 In some ways I like your's better.
 

 I am honoured. We have much to discuss over a glass of wine one day.

   
 I found 3 BW pictures that were sent to me a while back from my 
 unfortunately cancelled prints from around the world project.
 Do you think I should post them?
 

 That would be interesting - IIRC I sent one made on an Epson Stylus Photo EX !

   
 And who the hell has the travel camera?
 

 The Dobo is shirley in hell, must be him.



   


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