GESO: New Nephew
My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio is my first nephew, and will eventually be my godson, too. Even though I was up till 4am this morning, I'm still running on the excitement and adrenaline of the whole experience. Here's 13 photos, not all gems, from when we all got to meet him. There are none of me, unfortunately, since I was behind the camera. Tech specs: K10D, FA50 1.4 (usually at f2), 1600. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the noise came out, at least in the photos that weren't underexposed (they're the really noisy ones). http://www.neovenator.com/2008/05/my-nephew-anthony-joseph-celio-born-may.html John P.S.: I originally sent this post earlier this afternoon, but it never made it to the list or the archives. I don't know what's up with that. -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
The smc Pentax F 70-210mm is one of the best in this class. It's variable aperture but only about 2/3 stop slower at the long end but it's 1/3 stop faster at the short end. compared to the M 80-200 f4.6. They can be hard to find but are well worth it IMO. I bought one a few years ago, used, for about $60 US. Reciently their good qualities have become increesingly well known so prices have increesed. I've seen them sell on e-bay for upwards of $300.00. If when one shows up at KEH they usually command about $130-160 US in EX condition. Be sure you're looking at the smc F version, there's a non SMC Pentax/Takumar version that looks superficially like the SMC lens and of course the F and FA that are 70-200mm versions. None have the reputation of the smc F lens. Samples http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_withfurtheregret.html http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO_--_watchdog.html http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20charming.html Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Hello all, I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other suggestions? 3rd party lenses? Ralf -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: New Nephew
John Celio a écrit : My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio is my first nephew, and will eventually be my godson, too. E well done ! the little boy is really cute and there's so much love showing from everybody .. dom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: New Nephew
My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio... Congratulations to you all! I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the noise came out, that's no way to talk about a baby! Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Celio Sent: 02 May 2008 07:32 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: GESO: New Nephew My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio is my first nephew, and will eventually be my godson, too. Even though I was up till 4am this morning, I'm still running on the excitement and adrenaline of the whole experience. Here's 13 photos, not all gems, from when we all got to meet him. There are none of me, unfortunately, since I was behind the camera. Tech specs: K10D, FA50 1.4 (usually at f2), 1600. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the noise came out, at least in the photos that weren't underexposed (they're the really noisy ones). http://www.neovenator.com/2008/05/my-nephew-anthony-joseph-cel io-born-may.html John P.S.: I originally sent this post earlier this afternoon, but it never made it to the list or the archives. I don't know what's up with that. -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: New Nephew
Congrats, john! G On May 1, 2008, at 11:31 PM, John Celio wrote: My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio is my first nephew, and will eventually be my godson, too. Even though I was up till 4am this morning, I'm still running on the excitement and adrenaline of the whole experience. Here's 13 photos, not all gems, from when we all got to meet him. There are none of me, unfortunately, since I was behind the camera. Tech specs: K10D, FA50 1.4 (usually at f2), 1600. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the noise came out, at least in the photos that weren't underexposed (they're the really noisy ones). http://www.neovenator.com/2008/05/my-nephew-anthony-joseph-celio-born-may.html John P.S.: I originally sent this post earlier this afternoon, but it never made it to the list or the archives. I don't know what's up with that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms
Hi Godfrey I am new to this list, though not to Pentax, nor digital. In spite of this I still seem to wrestle daily with the 'right' settings and the 'best' software for interpreting RAWs. I also have a Sony R1, BTW. Are you saying that, regardless of whether you have the camera set to JPEG or RAW, the meter readout will always be the same for the given scene BUT that using RAW really needs extra exposure, as if RAW and JPEGS were two different 'films', each having slightly different ISO ratings? I am the proud owner of a K20D (previous camera has been Minolta D7, Pentax *istDS, Sony R1) for 2 weeks. Not had much time to play yet, though I have noticed that I have already taken 400 shots with it, many being just test shots (and the cat loves to pose too). The weather here in the UK is fairly appalling at the moment and the first weekend of use it was very dull and overcast. I prefer to shoot RAW. At first, I was a little disappointed, thinking that many of the shots were up to a stop underexposed ... Even though we had even (though dull) lighting. The histograms are shifted to the left. In Lightroom the shots looked way too contrasty and muddy by default. I am also trialing Silkypix (too many variables here perhaps) and really like it. It seems to render the images better, less contrasty and perhaps brighter, by default. Looking at the shots a day or so later I thought, actually they don't seem too bad afterall. Many needed a slight push up on the exposure but not as much as I had originally thought. I got my Sony R1 out and started comparing its meter readings with the K20D for the same focal length shots, same ISO settings etc, set to RAW. (My neighbours must think I'm some sort of freak or nutter). Most of the time they were in agreement. What I did see though was that the K20D was *much* more sensitive ... Only a slight shift of the camera left or right would make it fluctuate. I wonder if the Pentaxes 'panic' if anything in the frame is considered a highlight, even on evaluative metering? For example, I only need to shift the K20D upwards slightly to include a small amount of extra sky and the meter reading changes. The Sony would need a little more of a shift. So, I am slightly confused but if it is generally true that cameras need or ought to meter differently for JPEG or RAW, then that is interesting stuff! Why can't Pentax just make the firmware change this automtically? I hope to do some more testing this weekend. Cheers Lee -- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:30:18 -0700 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The Pentax DSLR cameras' metering systems are calibrated to produce accurate exposure estimation for their *default* configuration ... JPEG capture (and in the case of the *ist DS, BRIGHT color rendering). They don't recalibrate for RAW exposure, where accurate exposure estimation should be greater due to RAW files' improved headroom. That's why what you're seeing is JPEGs that are brighter than RAWs when viewing RAW+JPEG capture in Lightroom, where you haven't told Lightroom to ignore JPEG sidecars. With the *ist DS, I typically found that I needed to add +.3 to +.7 EV for all RAW captures. The K10D's bias is more accurate, I'm typically adding only up to +.3 EV for average scenes. These biases in meter calibration are also, I feel, a reason why some people shooting with RAW capture tend to complain about noise. My Sony R1 actually recalibrated the meter when I turned on RAW capture, it adjusted the bias such that average scenes never required EV compensation. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with it's performance. I seem to recall a few other list members singing its praises from time to time. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:11:23 -0600, Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote: What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other suggestions? 3rd party lenses? The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element. I understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. Bran -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 09:57:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] call me an old git O.k. You're an old git. ;-) Cheers, Christine Bob's not old. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Photobook company
Anyone used these people? I'm still interested in creating a photobook using the quotes and people's pictures. http://yophoto.com/index.asp - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 09:50:16 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello everyone! Need advices on a travelling issues. I expect to go in Pragua for 10 days. How do I manage out there for charging batteries? Is it better to bring the more batteries I can? Do I need special electrical outfits to charge them? And what about memory cards SD? The more I have, the better it is? In your opinion, do I have to bring a laptop (to save photos) which is a boring thing to carry, isn't? All your precious advices are welcome. Gaëtan B. call me an old git, but I still think of these things in terms of rolls of film. I haven't been on a long trip for some time, but I tend to average 5-6 rolls a day when I'm travelling. That's about 200 frames per day. I have an image tank of some sort and have used that for short trips (about a week), and it is quite convenient and usable. I bought it because it was cheaper than buying a large number of cards, but card prices seem to have come down a lot since then. Personally I wouldn't want to schlep a laptop around. As for recharging batteries, I believe they have a reliable supply of electricity in Prague and are adequately stocked with suitable outlets. Any halfway decent travel shop will be able to help you. http://www.prague-guide.co.uk/categories/Electricity,-Adapters/ Just another thought: instead of the bulk and suchlike of a laptop or the expense of an image tank, you could pick up a USB external hard drive, take the USB cable for your camera (or a card reader) and use an internet cafe to copy (not transfer) images to the HDD. I bought a new LaCie 320Gb USB drive for £29.99 last week. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Mme RD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 06:01:05 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mike wilson a écrit : From: Gaetan Beauchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/01 Thu PM 12:27:06 GMT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Traveling issues ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello everyone! Need advices on a travelling issues. I expect to go in Pragua for 10 days one thing is certain : you will have lots of photos to take and the bridge at the early hours of the morning is a real marvel .. (went there with a friend who got me to get up at 5 a.m to walk across the bridge with no one around ! the view was magnificent :P ) By the way, excellent beer there . and the answers to your mail are of interest to me too because i intend to go to Poland in October and was wondering about batteries and SD cards . Where in Poland? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
I've been using the F 70-210 f/4-5.6 and FA 80-320 f/4.5-5.6 for some time with good results, I'd say the F 70-210 was marginally sharper at 200mm but lacks the reach of the FA 80-320, of course. I've tried numerous versions of the Sigma 70-300 DL and APO and was never really convinced by the performance beyond 200mm. Recently a work colleague of mine asked me to recommend a good reasonably priced zoom lens in the xx-300mm range after he bought a K10D on the strength of some of the images I had produced. I recommended the Tamron 70- 300 f/4-5.6 LD Di after hearing many favourable comments on the performance. After seeing some of the results he got I bought one myself, excellent performance, great price, very reasonable build quality. Image quality was better than F 70-210 FA 80-320 at 200mm 300mm. All the above lenses have rotating front elements making the use of a polariser a little fiddly, the only other negative is the Tamron has a 62mm filter size (not a common Pentax size). On a positive note the closest focusing distance is good, max. repro 1:2. I tried the DA 50-200, first impressions were good, but I grew tired with softness at the edge of the images, both at the short and long end. Maybe I got a bad sample. I can send some sample images shot with the Tamron if requested of-list. Regards, John On Thu, 1 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote Hello all, I'm looking for an AF version of my SMC-M 4.5/80-200 mm. Yes, I know there's no direct AF equivalent of this lens. I'd want something with the same image quality (I'm actually very fond of this lens). A few mm more at the far end wouldn't hurt either. What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other suggestions? 3rd party lenses? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting?
Dear All I am trying to catch up with some of the PDML postings regarding 'correct' exposure of RAW format pictures etc and have come across the following links, no doubt very familiar to most folk here but I hope it doesn't hurt to repeat them: http://www.digitalphotopro.com/tech/exposing-for-raw.html http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t10367.htm l One of the benefits of cameras like the Sony R1 with its EVF was that you could learn to see the correct exposure as it changed in the viewfinder. Not so with a K20D Pentax! In a way, I am glad, as it is making me learn to 'see properly' again ... I hope. One question though: exposing to the right will invariably mean slower shutter speeds. Good that the K20D has shake reduction then but it occurs to me to ask what is the best ISO setting for minimum noise? I gather that digital SLR sensors have a 'base' setting, i.e. its true sensitivity. Does anyone know what it is for the K20D? Answers to the same question on dpreview are not conclusive and vary equally between 100 and 200. So, in an ideal world, where I am placing my camera on a tripod for that glorious landscape shot, what is the best ISO setting for image quality - 100 or 200? Thanks Lee P.S. What on earth does 'PESO' stand for? Is there an FAQ for this list? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting?
From: Davis, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. What on earth does 'PESO' stand for? Is there an FAQ for this list? http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting?
On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:33:39 +0100, Davis, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: P.S. What on earth does 'PESO' stand for? Is there an FAQ for this list? Yes there is: http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Nephew
John: Sending the very best to the new family of three. Glad mom baby are doing well. Quite a cutie! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:31 AM Subject: GESO: New Nephew My sister-in-law had her first baby early this morning (May 1st). Little Anthony Joseph Celio is my first nephew, and will eventually be my godson, too. Even though I was up till 4am this morning, I'm still running on the excitement and adrenaline of the whole experience. Here's 13 photos, not all gems, from when we all got to meet him. There are none of me, unfortunately, since I was behind the camera. Tech specs: K10D, FA50 1.4 (usually at f2), 1600. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well the noise came out, at least in the photos that weren't underexposed (they're the really noisy ones). http://www.neovenator.com/2008/05/my-nephew-anthony-joseph-celio-born-may.html John P.S.: I originally sent this post earlier this afternoon, but it never made it to the list or the archives. I don't know what's up with that. -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting?
I doubt that anyone, under any circumstances, could discern a difference in noise levels between ISO 100 and 200. With the K20D, it's difficult to see a difference between 100 and 400. Even at 800, visible noise is undetectable at normal magnification. For the most part, I would think the best choice for a tripod shot with the K20D would be ISO 200 with extended dynamic range turned one. The EDR function eliminates ISO 100 as a choice but uses that sensitivity to capture more highlights. Paul On May 2, 2008, at 8:33 AM, Davis, Lee wrote: Dear All I am trying to catch up with some of the PDML postings regarding 'correct' exposure of RAW format pictures etc and have come across the following links, no doubt very familiar to most folk here but I hope it doesn't hurt to repeat them: http://www.digitalphotopro.com/tech/exposing-for-raw.html http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/expose-right.shtml http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/ t10367.htm l One of the benefits of cameras like the Sony R1 with its EVF was that you could learn to see the correct exposure as it changed in the viewfinder. Not so with a K20D Pentax! In a way, I am glad, as it is making me learn to 'see properly' again ... I hope. One question though: exposing to the right will invariably mean slower shutter speeds. Good that the K20D has shake reduction then but it occurs to me to ask what is the best ISO setting for minimum noise? I gather that digital SLR sensors have a 'base' setting, i.e. its true sensitivity. Does anyone know what it is for the K20D? Answers to the same question on dpreview are not conclusive and vary equally between 100 and 200. So, in an ideal world, where I am placing my camera on a tripod for that glorious landscape shot, what is the best ISO setting for image quality - 100 or 200? Thanks Lee P.S. What on earth does 'PESO' stand for? Is there an FAQ for this list? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~morephotos/PESO_--_watchdog.html Hey, Peter. The above is one nice shot. Really enjoyed seeing that. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting?
- Original Message - From: Davis, Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exposing to the Right/Best ISO Setting? One of the benefits of cameras like the Sony R1 with its EVF was that you could learn to see the correct exposure as it changed in the viewfinder. Not so with a K20D Pentax! In a way, I am glad, as it is making me learn to 'see properly' again ... I hope. The problem with EVF viewfinders is that they pretty mcuh hoover. I'll take a real viewfinder any day. Note to Pentax: If you put an EVF into an SLR camera, I won't be your loyal customer any longer. One question though: exposing to the right will invariably mean slower shutter speeds. Good that the K20D has shake reduction then but it occurs to me to ask what is the best ISO setting for minimum noise? ISO 100 is the native sensitivity of the sensor, though I haven't been able to detect any apreciable difference between 100 and up to 640 in print with the K20. I gather that digital SLR sensors have a 'base' setting, i.e. its true sensitivity. Does anyone know what it is for the K20D? Answers to the same question on dpreview are not conclusive and vary equally between 100 and 200. So, in an ideal world, where I am placing my camera on a tripod for that glorious landscape shot, what is the best ISO setting for image quality - 100 or 200? As far as the in camera histogram is concerned, I use it for reference and keep on going. IF it indicates clipping, I adjust the exposure. I've never had a problem with this method of exposure confirmation. I suspect that the extra exposure range of the RAW file is responsible for this. I don't really care, I take pictures rather than worry about the babbling technowhinging on DPReview. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studying
Lovely colors, light, and composition, Rick. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: PESO: Studying Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. Rick Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms
On May 2, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Davis, Lee wrote: Are you saying that, regardless of whether you have the camera set to JPEG or RAW, the meter readout will always be the same for the given scene BUT that using RAW really needs extra exposure, Yes. as if RAW and JPEGS were two different 'films', each having slightly different ISO ratings? Not quite ... With RAW, you have 12bit quantization, rather than 8bit, and control of the gamma correction curve so you effectively have more dynamic range to work with. Proper exposure technique for digital capture is to acquire as much data as possible without saturating the sensor: the upper limit of exposure has a hard edge at saturation, where the lower limit is ultimately an arbitrary call to how much noise you find tolerable for given scene dynamic. This is different from film exposure in that film has a soft boundary at both ends of the spectrum. Since the capture curve is a linear ramp in powers of 2, you want to get as much data as close to saturation as possible: the top bit is half the data, the next bit is 1/4, etc. Bruce Fraser explains this fundamental eloquently in the first chapter or two of his book Real World Camera Raw The *ist DS metering calibration for RAW capture was significantly less accurate than the K10D. I have not experimented with a K20D to know how it does. The R1 was shockingly accurate. At first, I was a little disappointed, thinking that many of the shots were up to a stop underexposed ... Even though we had even (though dull) lighting. The histograms are shifted to the left. In Lightroom the shots looked way too contrasty and muddy by default. I am also trialing Silkypix (too many variables here perhaps) and really like it. It seems to render the images better, less contrasty and perhaps brighter, by default. I rarely worry about the default settings in the RAW conversion applications. Silkypix has perhaps better defaults but I absolutely detest trying to work with it. Lightroom's defaults seem ok for a good deal of stuff, but I hardly ever use default settings. I got my Sony R1 out and started comparing its meter readings with the K20D for the same focal length shots, same ISO settings etc, set to RAW. (My neighbours must think I'm some sort of freak or nutter). Most of the time they were in agreement. What I did see though was that the K20D was *much* more sensitive ... Only a slight shift of the camera left or right would make it fluctuate. I wonder if the Pentaxes 'panic' if anything in the frame is considered a highlight, even on evaluative metering? For example, I only need to shift the K20D upwards slightly to include a small amount of extra sky and the meter reading changes. The Sony would need a little more of a shift. Sounds like the K20D has a more sharply defined metering pattern in its evaluative mode, if that's the metering pattern you were using. So, I am slightly confused but if it is generally true that cameras need or ought to meter differently for JPEG or RAW, then that is interesting stuff! A JPEG image is a rendered RGB image in a smaller quantization space, post gamma correction. The gamma correction process is lossy: what is lost in largest measure is dynamic range. So it should be no surprise that the exposure requirements are different ... Kind of like processing Plus-X in Microdol-X vs Acufine developer, you need to see exposure on a different curve. Why can't Pentax just make the firmware change this automtically? A simple bias adjustment is possible, but like so many ahoer aspects of exposure evaluation, there are always mitigating circumstances that might lead you to push the exposure in different directions. Proper exposure is quite a serious study in finesse... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms
Based on observation only, the K20 metering appears to be more accurate for RAW exposures than is that of the K10. I frequently find that exposures require no adjustment in white point of black point. I look at different values anyway but sometimes return to right at default for exposure brightness and shadow values (ACR). Paul On May 2, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On May 2, 2008, at 1:37 AM, Davis, Lee wrote: Are you saying that, regardless of whether you have the camera set to JPEG or RAW, the meter readout will always be the same for the given scene BUT that using RAW really needs extra exposure, Yes. as if RAW and JPEGS were two different 'films', each having slightly different ISO ratings? Not quite ... With RAW, you have 12bit quantization, rather than 8bit, and control of the gamma correction curve so you effectively have more dynamic range to work with. Proper exposure technique for digital capture is to acquire as much data as possible without saturating the sensor: the upper limit of exposure has a hard edge at saturation, where the lower limit is ultimately an arbitrary call to how much noise you find tolerable for given scene dynamic. This is different from film exposure in that film has a soft boundary at both ends of the spectrum. Since the capture curve is a linear ramp in powers of 2, you want to get as much data as close to saturation as possible: the top bit is half the data, the next bit is 1/4, etc. Bruce Fraser explains this fundamental eloquently in the first chapter or two of his book Real World Camera Raw The *ist DS metering calibration for RAW capture was significantly less accurate than the K10D. I have not experimented with a K20D to know how it does. The R1 was shockingly accurate. At first, I was a little disappointed, thinking that many of the shots were up to a stop underexposed ... Even though we had even (though dull) lighting. The histograms are shifted to the left. In Lightroom the shots looked way too contrasty and muddy by default. I am also trialing Silkypix (too many variables here perhaps) and really like it. It seems to render the images better, less contrasty and perhaps brighter, by default. I rarely worry about the default settings in the RAW conversion applications. Silkypix has perhaps better defaults but I absolutely detest trying to work with it. Lightroom's defaults seem ok for a good deal of stuff, but I hardly ever use default settings. I got my Sony R1 out and started comparing its meter readings with the K20D for the same focal length shots, same ISO settings etc, set to RAW. (My neighbours must think I'm some sort of freak or nutter). Most of the time they were in agreement. What I did see though was that the K20D was *much* more sensitive ... Only a slight shift of the camera left or right would make it fluctuate. I wonder if the Pentaxes 'panic' if anything in the frame is considered a highlight, even on evaluative metering? For example, I only need to shift the K20D upwards slightly to include a small amount of extra sky and the meter reading changes. The Sony would need a little more of a shift. Sounds like the K20D has a more sharply defined metering pattern in its evaluative mode, if that's the metering pattern you were using. So, I am slightly confused but if it is generally true that cameras need or ought to meter differently for JPEG or RAW, then that is interesting stuff! A JPEG image is a rendered RGB image in a smaller quantization space, post gamma correction. The gamma correction process is lossy: what is lost in largest measure is dynamic range. So it should be no surprise that the exposure requirements are different ... Kind of like processing Plus-X in Microdol-X vs Acufine developer, you need to see exposure on a different curve. Why can't Pentax just make the firmware change this automtically? A simple bias adjustment is possible, but like so many ahoer aspects of exposure evaluation, there are always mitigating circumstances that might lead you to push the exposure in different directions. Proper exposure is quite a serious study in finesse... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Studying
Thanks, Christine! --- Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely colors, light, and composition, Rick. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: PESO: Studying Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. Rick Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
I certainly hope they're not studying medicine in a cemetery. Would seem a tad defeatist. :-) Nice shot. The light flowering trees make for a very calming scene. Cheers, Dave On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
Unless they're planning to become pathologists. --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly hope they're not studying medicine in a cemetery. Would seem a tad defeatist. :-) Nice shot. The light flowering trees make for a very calming scene. Cheers, Dave On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10D v Lightroom exposure and histograms
On May 2, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Based on observation only, the K20 metering appears to be more accurate for RAW exposures than is that of the K10. I frequently find that exposures require no adjustment in white point of black point. I look at different values anyway but sometimes return to right at default for exposure brightness and shadow values (ACR). Good to hear it. Progress ... :-) I find both the Panasonic L1 and Olympus E-1 to be more accurately calibrated on RAW exposures than the K10D, which is in turn far better than the *ist DS was. Of course, given that with any specific camera or light meter, the metering calibration is only designed to be accurate within about a +/- 0.3EV range, a certain amount of variation is inevitable. And metering calibration is only one facet of the complex dynamic that is proper exposure given the range of scene dynamics we look at! Learning proper exposure is always a complicated task. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
I traded my M 80-200 for an FA 80-320 (literally, albeit indirectly). I've never regretted it. Mind you, if I want an 80-200 I've still got one in my kit. On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 06:50:50PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with it's performance. I seem to recall a few other list members singing its praises from time to time. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:11:23 -0600, Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote: What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other suggestions? 3rd party lenses? The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element. I understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. Bran -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
Rick Womer wrote: --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly hope they're not studying medicine in a cemetery. Would seem a tad defeatist. Unless they're planning to become pathologists. I'll pass that one on! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
I thought that might bring you to the surface! Say hi to Lisa for me. Rick --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Womer wrote: --- David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly hope they're not studying medicine in a cemetery. Would seem a tad defeatist. Unless they're planning to become pathologists. I'll pass that one on! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 I like the mood - lovely light! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
Thanks, Frank. BTW, just for jollies I tried a BW conversion on this one, and it was nice enough, but seemed a waste of the colors in the trees. Rick --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 I like the mood - lovely light! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Cheap zoom lens comparason
Hi guys, I am in the market for a cheap AF zoom lens to replace my old CZJ 80-200. Sadly I have to pitch very much at the budget end of the market and, having played the Epray lottery too many times I have decided to look for a new lens this time I have found two cheap alternatives in stock at a local shop, any thoughts which would be a better bet? The first is a Pentax 50-200 F4-5.6 ED for 119.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/6qwk4o the second is a Sigma 55-200 F4-5.6 DC for 96.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/43jtxp Thanks for your thoughts all Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Conversation
thanks everyone who took the time to look, and for the comments. Bob W wrote: Wow, yes - really good shot. Composition is perfect and they've cooperated perfectly with their pose. -Original Message- Taken at the Kennedy Center a few weeks back. http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cheap zoom lens comparason
Personally, I'd get one of these: http://www.warehouseexpress.com/product/default.aspx?sku=1013820 £114.99p Regards, John On Fri, 02 May 2008 18:44:22 +0100, drew wrote Hi guys, I am in the market for a cheap AF zoom lens to replace my old CZJ 80-200. Sadly I have to pitch very much at the budget end of the market and, having played the Epray lottery too many times I have decided to look for a new lens this time I have found two cheap alternatives in stock at a local shop, any thoughts which would be a better bet? The first is a Pentax 50-200 F4-5.6 ED for 119.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/6qwk4o the second is a Sigma 55-200 F4-5.6 DC for 96.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/43jtxp Thanks for your thoughts all Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
The colors are nice but the light's a little flat. Subject/content wise, I'd go much tighter... don't need the foreground shadows, curb or the upper story of the tree to tell the story of a lad studying in the eves of a tree on a pleasant, sunny day. Godfrey On May 1, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cheap zoom lens comparason
On May 2, 2008, at 10:44 AM, drew wrote: The first is a Pentax 50-200 F4-5.6 ED for 119.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/6qwk4o It's a very good lens for the money. I don't buy Sigma lenses ... decent designs, very unpredictable quality. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Conversation
On May 1, 2008, at 6:15 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: Taken at the Kennedy Center a few weeks back. http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=250 I like this a lot, Doug. Color wise, the rendering is too warm for my taste, but that may be how you prefer it. It seems a little flat and lacking in sparkle nonetheless. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cheap zoom lens comparason
Given those choices, the Pentax wins by a large margin. Much better lens. As a rule, any Sigma that isn't an EX series isn't worth your money (the 17-70 is IMHO the sole exception I've seen). -Adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM, drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I am in the market for a cheap AF zoom lens to replace my old CZJ 80-200. Sadly I have to pitch very much at the budget end of the market and, having played the Epray lottery too many times I have decided to look for a new lens this time I have found two cheap alternatives in stock at a local shop, any thoughts which would be a better bet? The first is a Pentax 50-200 F4-5.6 ED for 119.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/6qwk4o the second is a Sigma 55-200 F4-5.6 DC for 96.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/43jtxp Thanks for your thoughts all Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Studying
Thanks, Godfrey. The colors and contrast flattened out in the RAW-to-JPG transition, for some reason. I had both tighter and looser compositions; this one won because it seemed the best compromise between tightness and the colorful trees. Rick --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The colors are nice but the light's a little flat. Subject/content wise, I'd go much tighter... don't need the foreground shadows, curb or the upper story of the tree to tell the story of a lad studying in the eves of a tree on a pleasant, sunny day. Godfrey On May 1, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Rick Womer wrote: Finals are approaching at the three colleges near us. The cemetery with the dogwoods is nearby. It is a lovely place to study. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7220968 K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 560, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via Lightroom. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: AF-Telezoom for K20D?
I too have found the FA 80-320 to be a lot of lens for the money. It's my walkaround lens for the zoo:-). Really. Paul On May 2, 2008, at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: I traded my M 80-200 for an FA 80-320 (literally, albeit indirectly). I've never regretted it. Mind you, if I want an 80-200 I've still got one in my kit. On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 06:50:50PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: Yes, I'm using the FA 80-320 as well and have been impressed with it's performance. I seem to recall a few other list members singing its praises from time to time. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:11:23 -0600, Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:42:36 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote: What about the ubiquitous F and FA xx-200 or xx-300 mm lenses? Any other suggestions? 3rd party lenses? The FA 80-320 treats me well excepting the rotating front element. I understand this lens has a variation in quality as well. Bran -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cheap zoom lens comparason
The Pentax 50-200 is an excellent lens for the money. Far better than the Sigma I would think. Paul On May 2, 2008, at 1:44 PM, drew wrote: Hi guys, I am in the market for a cheap AF zoom lens to replace my old CZJ 80-200. Sadly I have to pitch very much at the budget end of the market and, having played the Epray lottery too many times I have decided to look for a new lens this time I have found two cheap alternatives in stock at a local shop, any thoughts which would be a better bet? The first is a Pentax 50-200 F4-5.6 ED for 119.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/6qwk4o the second is a Sigma 55-200 F4-5.6 DC for 96.99 GBP http://tinyurl.com/43jtxp Thanks for your thoughts all Drew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Sepia Flowers
Hi Everyone: I kind of like this, and I kind of dislike this shot. I would be very grateful for your thoughts either way so that I can let this shot go and move on. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? You get so stuck in your inability to make a decision about a shot that it becomes hard to work on other photos? K10D, DA 16-45mm, 45mm @f4, ISO 200. Sepia filter in Lightroom. Ugh! Only 6 days left on my Lightroom free trial. I'll be buying it. The program is terrific. Thanks for all the early help offered by the list. And I strongly recommend it to anyone who's thinking about purchasing! By the by, I bought the DA 16-45mm! Overall, I'm pleased, so thanks for the recommendations from all you good folks. Small: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342 Large: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342size=lg Big Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sepia Flowers
I like it. A bit gloomy, but then so's life sometimes. -T On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone: I kind of like this, and I kind of dislike this shot. I would be very grateful for your thoughts either way so that I can let this shot go and move on. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? You get so stuck in your inability to make a decision about a shot that it becomes hard to work on other photos? K10D, DA 16-45mm, 45mm @f4, ISO 200. Sepia filter in Lightroom. Ugh! Only 6 days left on my Lightroom free trial. I'll be buying it. The program is terrific. Thanks for all the early help offered by the list. And I strongly recommend it to anyone who's thinking about purchasing! By the by, I bought the DA 16-45mm! Overall, I'm pleased, so thanks for the recommendations from all you good folks. Small: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342 Large: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342size=lg Big Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PDML - Twitter mashup
I really enjoy the PESO/GESO postings here, and I thought others might too. So I built a little mash-up that creates a Twitter feed. It's at http://twitter.com/PDML which in Twitter lingo would be @PDML. Probably few here know about Twitter, it's hard to explain but easy to get addicted to. A Microblogging service they say, but it is *definitely* the flavor-of-the-month among the hard-core Web geeks. There are currently 1,700 or so people following my Twitter feed. It'll be interesting to see how many people pick up @PDML. This is what they call a mash-up these days; I wrote it up here: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/30/PDML-Twitter-Mashup The way it works is keying off the subject line, looking for PESO: or PESO - at the front. So for those who object to Twitter or don't want further exposure of their pictures, just say Peso or PEsO or something and your note will be bypassed. What I really wanted to do was to link the Twitterized version of the PESO back to the PDML archive, but I wasn't smart enough to figure out how to do it. Welcome, PDML, to Web 2.0. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sepia Flowers
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: PESO: Sepia Flowers Hi Everyone: I kind of like this, and I kind of dislike this shot. I would be very grateful for your thoughts either way so that I can let this shot go and move on. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? You get so stuck in your inability to make a decision about a shot that it becomes hard to work on other photos? K10D, DA 16-45mm, 45mm @f4, ISO 200. Sepia filter in Lightroom. Ugh! Only 6 days left on my Lightroom free trial. I'll be buying it. The program is terrific. Thanks for all the early help offered by the list. And I strongly recommend it to anyone who's thinking about purchasing! By the by, I bought the DA 16-45mm! Overall, I'm pleased, so thanks for the recommendations from all you good folks. Small: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342 Large: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342size=lg It's flat. Adjust the levels towards the left. The shadows are going to be muddy no matter what you do. It's a good shot. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sepia Flowers
I like it for the most part. The rendering is quite nice as is the tonality. I do wish there was a little more breathing room above the flowers near the top of frame. But overall, a nice photo. Paul -- Original message -- From: Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone: I kind of like this, and I kind of dislike this shot. I would be very grateful for your thoughts either way so that I can let this shot go and move on. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? You get so stuck in your inability to make a decision about a shot that it becomes hard to work on other photos? K10D, DA 16-45mm, 45mm @f4, ISO 200. Sepia filter in Lightroom. Ugh! Only 6 days left on my Lightroom free trial. I'll be buying it. The program is terrific. Thanks for all the early help offered by the list. And I strongly recommend it to anyone who's thinking about purchasing! By the by, I bought the DA 16-45mm! Overall, I'm pleased, so thanks for the recommendations from all you good folks. Small: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342 Large: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342size=lg Big Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML - Twitter mashup
I love it. Very nicely done. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really enjoy the PESO/GESO postings here, and I thought others might too. So I built a little mash-up that creates a Twitter feed. It's at http://twitter.com/PDML which in Twitter lingo would be @PDML. Probably few here know about Twitter, it's hard to explain but easy to get addicted to. A Microblogging service they say, but it is *definitely* the flavor-of-the-month among the hard-core Web geeks. There are currently 1,700 or so people following my Twitter feed. It'll be interesting to see how many people pick up @PDML. This is what they call a mash-up these days; I wrote it up here: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/04/30/PDML-Twitter-Mashup The way it works is keying off the subject line, looking for PESO: or PESO - at the front. So for those who object to Twitter or don't want further exposure of their pictures, just say Peso or PEsO or something and your note will be bypassed. What I really wanted to do was to link the Twitterized version of the PESO back to the PDML archive, but I wasn't smart enough to figure out how to do it. Welcome, PDML, to Web 2.0. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: New Nephew
Thanks Dom, Bob, Godders and Christine. I can't wait till his mom lets me use a flash around him, so I can try some shots with greater depth of field. I'm gonna be filling hard drives with photos of this kid, I just know it. :) John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Lens Part Bracelet
This is such a nifty idea, I'm thinking about trying it myself with one of the junk lenses I salvaged from the trash at Reed's. http://nemophotography.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/camera-lens-bracelet/ Perhaps someone could make a necklace with an Aperture Simulator for JCO, since it's so close to his heart. ;) John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lens Part Bracelet
cool!!! rg2 On 5/2/08, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is such a nifty idea, I'm thinking about trying it myself with one of the junk lenses I salvaged from the trash at Reed's. http://nemophotography.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/camera-lens-bracelet/ Perhaps someone could make a necklace with an Aperture Simulator for JCO, since it's so close to his heart. ;) John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML - Twitter mashup
On 2-May-08, at 4:47 PM, Tim Bray wrote: Welcome, PDML, to Web 2.0. -Tim Cool, Tim. Funny thing is, I saw this on your RSS feed before you posted it here. :) I'll continue to check it out. Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lens Part Bracelet
Oh, Gods you really are a geek... Rebekah wrote: cool!!! rg2 On 5/2/08, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is such a nifty idea, I'm thinking about trying it myself with one of the junk lenses I salvaged from the trash at Reed's. http://nemophotography.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/camera-lens-bracelet/ Perhaps someone could make a necklace with an Aperture Simulator for JCO, since it's so close to his heart. ;) John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Sepia Flowers
To me, it is just begging for color. The BW (and especially the sepia) don't work for me. Rick --- Christine Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone: I kind of like this, and I kind of dislike this shot. I would be very grateful for your thoughts either way so that I can let this shot go and move on. Has this ever happened to any of you guys? You get so stuck in your inability to make a decision about a shot that it becomes hard to work on other photos? K10D, DA 16-45mm, 45mm @f4, ISO 200. Sepia filter in Lightroom. Ugh! Only 6 days left on my Lightroom free trial. I'll be buying it. The program is terrific. Thanks for all the early help offered by the list. And I strongly recommend it to anyone who's thinking about purchasing! By the by, I bought the DA 16-45mm! Overall, I'm pleased, so thanks for the recommendations from all you good folks. Small: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342 Large: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7218342size=lg Big Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Lens Part Bracelet
Don't encourage them. P. J. Alling wrote: Oh, Gods you really are a geek... Rebekah wrote: cool!!! rg2 On 5/2/08, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is such a nifty idea, I'm thinking about trying it myself with one of the junk lenses I salvaged from the trash at Reed's. http://nemophotography.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/camera-lens-bracelet/ Perhaps someone could make a necklace with an Aperture Simulator for JCO, since it's so close to his heart. ;) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Shots from 1st wedding
I just shot my first wedding too, and I had the same experience with the coordinator...she didn't leave me with any time to take posed shots of the couple after the ceremony. TO make matters worse, her mood lighting for dancing created a horrible backlight! Allison... you want to talk about lighting?! Here's how dark it was during the reception... I dropped my knife on the floor while eating and could not find it! I had to *feel around* on the floor before I eventually found it. I could only laugh. Thank God for a good flash. Your shots are great, and after you sort and pick out your favorites, I am certain the bride and groom will be really pleased with your work. I hope so. Here's the full lot: http://tinyurl.com/6k7wfw I'm still working on the smugmug site (14 day trail) but its at least functional now. Thanks for your kind words, by the way, and congrats on your first wedding as well! Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - adding another to the fleet
Bought another bicycle. Go figure. eBay auction number 130217801987. The seller is only about an 80 mile drive from me and I get down that way a couple times a month, so I'm not paying their exorbitant shipping. Christie is ecstatic. Or something. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
