Re: K7 first thoughts
- Original Message - From: Northeast Media Subject: Re: K7 first thoughts Thats the bity I hate the most about myK10D. I can work around the ISO and AF performance - at least they are predictable. The first night function I shot with the K10d and my Metz 45 CL-4 flash were a nightmare, it was so unpredictable. J just when I thought I had it set it varied when I went to do the real shot. The exposures were all over the place. I switched to the DS for the rest of the night and that worked much more predictably. I have worked on more manual control of the system, but full P-TTL is nice when it works. I haven't bothered to update my flash since February 1986. I still use a Metz 60 CT2 that I bought when my Metz 402 crapped out and I needed a flash tomorrow. I tried TTL with the LX, and gave up on the LX for flash altogether, and went back to the very accurate Metz auto flash. When the istD came out, I tried TTL with it, and it failed. When I bought the K10, I bought a Pentax flash that was supposed to be compatable. I think it's a 500 ftz, or somesuch. It's batteries have probably rotted, since it is not accurate on either the K10 or K20, and so I keep going back to the amazingly accurate Metz autoflash. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
Important? Surely you jest.
On 5/21/2010 6:35 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Recovering from a four-day bus trip to Washington, DC with my son's
fifth-grade class. If there was anything important on the list, let me
know or I'll eventually read it.
Unless I don't.
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Re: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement
Am 21.05.2010 23:26, schrieb Charles Robinson: Speaking of copyright infringement if you've ever wondered how many times an image of yours has been appropriated and used elsewhere on the web, try this site: http://www.tineye.com Enter a URL for your image, and it will point you to other URLS with similar images - usually a copy/edit of the original. So far I've gotten no false hits. Kinda fun/interesting/sad depending on your mood. For example: http://www.tineye.com/search/c234e37f48b4c44aebb6887ca6608f7c210a6628 -Charles tineye is not bad it found someone selling slightly modified versions of one of my images on gettyimages and istockfoto. Thanks for the tip. Steffen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
On 5/21/2010 11:11 PM, frank theriault wrote:
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
personally I think bike gloves are more helpful.
I'm no expert, but my feeling is that, if you're moving, your attention,
eyes and ears are the best protection you have. You can't rely on the
other guy to see you. If you're doing things that rely on the other guy
seeing you and reacting appropriately, you're gonna end up a hood
ornament.
Yes, of course you're right.
So one should always be vigilant.
How does a helmet hinder such vigilance?
It's nice to have the helmet as a final layer of protection if more
pro-active prevention isn't enough. Not that helmets are a
guarantee of anything, however they do lessen one's chances of more
serious head injury.
cheers,
frank
There's some argument to be made that the safer you feel, the more risks
you take. Bike helmets make you feel safer.
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Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote: Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car driver simply refuses to give up his right of way to an errant cyclist and takes him out instead. That is absolutely disgusting. There's no justification for that kind of behaviour and I hope such drivers are being hauled into court. If they could have stopped but chose not to then they've committed assault, regardless of provocation. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, , not
On May 22, 2010, at 3:08 PM, frank theriault wrote: I had road-rash on my face and my collarbone was broken in two places. My helmet had quite a dent in it. I suffered no head injuries whatsoever. I don't care what the percentages and chances are - I'm convinced that helmet saved my life that day. I'm also a member of the clavicle club. I broke mine by hitting the road sideways with my shoulder. As you might expect, that also meant my head hit the road sideways, quite hard. I was wearing a helmet at the time. I don't believe it saved my life - not that I'm qualified to judge - but I am convinced that it saved me a concussion which would have meant an ambulance and a night in hospital. Instead I was able to walk most of the way home then get a ride to the emergency room. I fear hospitals so the less time I spend inside one, the better. Given the amount that I ride I would never leave the helmet at home. I'm also swayed a bit by knowing a couple of people who do owe their lives to them. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
2010/5/22 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way not a person and do not merit ethical treatment. You can't cheat an inanimate object. I have no love for corporations but if you allow yourself to slip into this way of thinking then you only degrade your own sense of morality. You can begin to treat other individuals in this impersonal way of doing business. My position is that you do yourself more harm psychologically/spiritually than you gain in the material transaction. Amen to that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT pacman on google
Crashed my IE8 several times, I gave up in the end 2010/5/22 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: OT pacman on google go to http://www.google.com/ hit insert coin and then you can play the game by clicking your mouse on where you want pacman to go. And if you have cool previews enabled, the damned noise from the game is automatic, unrelenting and unending. I spent half an hour today wondering if I had some sort of virus because as soon as I invoked Firefox, the friggin Pacman thing started. Stupid bastards. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
On 21/5/10, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: One of our members is apparently a dishonest, deceptive, lying bastard No need to be so hard on yourself Tom. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets...
I just purchesed a Nutcase helmet, the most fun ones that you can get - I think. http://www.nutcasehelmets.com/Pages/index.aspx I had to pay double the US price at http://www.cykelhjelm.com/ but my head and my mind is worth more than that. Now I just have to get a pink K-x to match it ;-) Best regards, Bertil 22 maj 2010 kl. 10:03 skrev pdml-requ...@pdml.net: Helmets make sense. Yes, we grew up without them, but not all of us grew up. A friend of mine died at 16 when he bailed off his scooter to avoid a collision and hit his head on a parked car. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
[...] I put on a helmet when it rains. It keeps the hood of my rain jacket on my head. That increases the chance of you having an accident. When you're wearing a hood and turn round to see if there are any juggernauts bearing down on you, the hood obscures most of your vision. To get it out of the way you have to take one hand off the handlebar. I recommend wearing a traditional cycling cap made from a water-repellent material,such as this: http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-cap/ It may also help keep your scalp attached to your skull when you slide along the blacktop on your head. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: snip Most cyclists are not idiots. It's just the idiots who get all the attention. Same with drivers and pedestrians. Most are kind and courteous. It's the minority of fools that we all see and hear about. They should set up a special place where they can all be gathered together and kept away from the rest of us. No, wait, isn't that London...? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
Such studies have been done, of course. But all they can measure is the accident rate in the jurisdiction; they can't compare the accident rate with helmets to the rate for the same area without helmet use. But they can. Studies from a period before mandatory helmet wearing can be compared to a period immediately after helmet mandation. Provided other factors haven't significantly changed, and the study periods encompass the same cycling population in the same place and in the same seasons, then the results can be fairly compared. Provided other factors haven't significantly changed, There's the rub. It also would require the correct figures to have been gathered correctly. The stuff I've read about it all seems to show that there are no uncontroversial like-for-like figures available. It's probably better if we go back to discussing the definition of Art - it's an easier matter to settle. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person who elects to wear a helmet is less likely to engage in risky activities, and thus would have a lower chance of an accident even without the helmet. The stats would probably be more meaningful from jurisdictions such as mine where it's illegal to ride sans helmet (though of course many do, one the spot fines are regularly dispensed). The figures from Aus show that although the number of serious injuries declined, so did the number of miles cycled, so the rate of injury increased. The health of the whole population also declined because the people who didn't cycle but who would have done previously did not get the health gains of cycling. So society as a whole lost out by make helmet-wearing compulsory - mandatory helmets saved some people, but more people died because instead of cycling they were slumped in front of Neighbours with a tube of the amber nectar. There are various problems with the before after stats which can be quite hotly contested, but similar results appear to found wherever the 'experiment' is carried out. Here are some stats for GB, where helmets are not compulsory and where helmet use has increased as the number of miles cycled has increased. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1071.html. In London it seems there is safety in numbers, and that the more cyclists there are on the roads, the safer cycling becomes regardless of helmet use - although it is not at all unsafe compared with other activities. Most cycling deaths here are the result of left-turning lorries crushing the cyclist against the pavement barrier - something which helmets could not prevent. The answer to that one lies in cyclist and driver training, and the replacement of barriers with other means of keeping traffic off the pavement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
2010/5/22 Bob W p...@web-options.com: [...] I put on a helmet when it rains. It keeps the hood of my rain jacket on my head. I have a reflective GoreTex helmet cover, keeps rain and wind out and surface friction is enough to hold a Petzl TacTikka XP LED headlamp which can be used as both a headlight or a taillight with slip-in color screens That increases the chance of you having an accident. When you're wearing a hood and turn round to see if there are any juggernauts bearing down on you, the hood obscures most of your vision. To get it out of the way you have to take one hand off the handlebar. Totally, tried the cobra hood of my ecwcs parka before and while it was a nice fit, I didn't see a thing turning my head. And I find most bicycle mirrors to be useless. I recommend wearing a traditional cycling cap made from a water-repellent material,such as this: http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-cap/ It may also help keep your scalp attached to your skull when you slide along the blacktop on your head. I doubt that. Same as with motorcycle gear, if it isn't securely attached, either to you or to another piece of gear, it will simply come sliding right off on impact or shortly thereafter... =( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets...
Look nice but I think they kill you in the summer heat? 2010/5/22 Bertil Holmberg bertilholmb...@telia.com: I just purchesed a Nutcase helmet, the most fun ones that you can get - I think. http://www.nutcasehelmets.com/Pages/index.aspx I had to pay double the US price at http://www.cykelhjelm.com/ but my head and my mind is worth more than that. Now I just have to get a pink K-x to match it ;-) Best regards, Bertil 22 maj 2010 kl. 10:03 skrev pdml-requ...@pdml.net: Helmets make sense. Yes, we grew up without them, but not all of us grew up. A friend of mine died at 16 when he bailed off his scooter to avoid a collision and hit his head on a parked car. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, , not
I'm no expert, but my feeling is that, if you're moving, your attention, eyes and ears are the best protection you have. You can't rely on the other guy to see you. If you're doing things that rely on the other guy seeing you and reacting appropriately, you're gonna end up a hood ornament. Indeed. Cyclist training, preferably accompanied by driver training, is the most important safety factor of all. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bird watcher Maritimtim
Happy birthday, Tim! =) Cheers Ecke 2010/5/21 Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net: That's nice, Tim. Hope you had a nice birthday! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: PESO: Bird watcher Maritimtim Since so many at the list have been exposed lately. Now I think it's my turn. http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/05/bird-wathcer-maritimtim.html -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, , not
[...] So one should always be vigilant. How does a helmet hinder such vigilance? It's nice to have the helmet as a final layer of protection if more pro-active prevention isn't enough. Not that helmets are a guarantee of anything, however they do lessen one's chances of more serious head injury. That has not been shown to be the case. In fact, wearing a helmet increases your chances of certain types of injury, if you're unlucky enough to crash. For everyone who thinks their life was saved or injuries lessened by a helmet there is probably someone who could have been killed or seriously injured by wearing one - but we don't have the stats to make any kind of judgement based on this. When I fell off and broke my wrist a few years ago I bumped my unhelmeted head on the pavement. It was no big deal, but by increasing the volume of my head area a helmet could have led to some sort of hideous rotational injury. There's no point in speculating on these hypothetical lines or comparing the seriousness of what might have been. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1019.html To me the matter should remain one of choice for adults, even if it could be proved incontrovertibly that helmets offered substantial benefits to the cyclist. There are really 3 camps in this argument. A 'pro-choice' (for want of a better phrase) lobby consisting of some pro- and all 'anti-' helmet people, and a 'pro-life' (as they might call themselves) lobby which wants helmet use to be mandatory. I notice that the set of people who want to make helmet wearing illegal is empty. From this I conclude that if one wants to make helmet wearing compulsory one is either a helmet manufacturer or a Nazi or both. Thread over. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K7 first thoughts [Scanned][Spam score:8%]
Is there room in that boat for me too? I'm waiting to see what comes next, but I'd really like the 14.6m pixel count to stay, more fps, better metering etc. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert [distudio.p...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 01:54 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K7 first thoughts [Scanned][Spam score:8%] On 21/05/2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: The K-7 pretty much nailed everything I wanted fixed about earlier Pentax DSLR's except the high ISO performance, which wasn't good enough to get me to upgrade. I still want a K-7x, the K-x is a great little body but the K-7's VF, build and sealing and LiIon batteries would be a big upgrade for me, I just need K-x level high ISO from it. I'm pretty much in the same boat, really I can't justify the purchase of a K7 when the K-x K20D combo will do pretty much all I need for the moment. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO Dodge
No one does cars like Paul Stenquist Call me argumentative: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits- having-sex-with-1000-cars.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, , not
Haha ... you invoked Godwin on purpose - does that even count? 2010/5/22 Bob W p...@web-options.com: [...] So one should always be vigilant. How does a helmet hinder such vigilance? It's nice to have the helmet as a final layer of protection if more pro-active prevention isn't enough. Not that helmets are a guarantee of anything, however they do lessen one's chances of more serious head injury. That has not been shown to be the case. In fact, wearing a helmet increases your chances of certain types of injury, if you're unlucky enough to crash. For everyone who thinks their life was saved or injuries lessened by a helmet there is probably someone who could have been killed or seriously injured by wearing one - but we don't have the stats to make any kind of judgement based on this. When I fell off and broke my wrist a few years ago I bumped my unhelmeted head on the pavement. It was no big deal, but by increasing the volume of my head area a helmet could have led to some sort of hideous rotational injury. There's no point in speculating on these hypothetical lines or comparing the seriousness of what might have been. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1019.html To me the matter should remain one of choice for adults, even if it could be proved incontrovertibly that helmets offered substantial benefits to the cyclist. There are really 3 camps in this argument. A 'pro-choice' (for want of a better phrase) lobby consisting of some pro- and all 'anti-' helmet people, and a 'pro-life' (as they might call themselves) lobby which wants helmet use to be mandatory. I notice that the set of people who want to make helmet wearing illegal is empty. From this I conclude that if one wants to make helmet wearing compulsory one is either a helmet manufacturer or a Nazi or both. Thread over. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO Dodge
From yesterday's work stuff: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11034957size=lg Beautiful -I love the way you shoot cars. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
I would think so, but it seems to be the subject of some debate, either way I for one welcome it. How are things with you Rob? I've been in lurk mode for some time. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert [distudio.p...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 02:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] On 21/05/2010, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1005/10051401sigma120mm400sonypentax.asp#press Could be of interest to all those finding SR useless on long lenses, the 150-500 APO HSM is already listed at Sigma UK. So to be absolutely clear is the Sigma in-lens OS completely self contained and independent of the camera system (apart from the power supply requirements)? -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Dodge
On 22/05/2010, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: No one does cars like Paul Stenquist Call me argumentative: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits- having-sex-with-1000-cars.html Oh dear.. He added: There are moments way out in the middle of nowhere when I see a little car parked and I swear it needs loving. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
On 22/05/2010, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: I would think so, but it seems to be the subject of some debate, either way I for one welcome it. How are things with you Rob? I've been in lurk mode for some time. Hi John, I've been semi-lurking lately, I'm pretty busy so I just don't have time to read all posts so much gets archived without being read unfortunately. Digging further into the Sigma site I found the following: * For Pentax and Sony mount, OS function is not available * Nikon Pentax Mounts: Does not have aperture ring On the positive side it is full frame. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
Hi Rob I've been pretty busy myself, the current financial climate here doesn't help. The OS is new to Pentax and Sony, the 120-400 originally didn't have OS, but as of yesterday it does with a slight price increase, or should that be a decrease of the old non-OS model. From Sigma UK I can see 17-70 HSM OS, 150-500 HSM OS and now 120-400 HSM OS. I agree with your comment on full frame but will refrain from commenting on the loss of aperture ring for fear of starting a heated debate. Best regards John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert [distudio.p...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 10:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] On 22/05/2010, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: I would think so, but it seems to be the subject of some debate, either way I for one welcome it. How are things with you Rob? I've been in lurk mode for some time. Hi John, I've been semi-lurking lately, I'm pretty busy so I just don't have time to read all posts so much gets archived without being read unfortunately. Digging further into the Sigma site I found the following: * For Pentax and Sony mount, OS function is not available * Nikon Pentax Mounts: Does not have aperture ring On the positive side it is full frame. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
On 22 May 2010 19:45, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Digging further into the Sigma site I found the following: * For Pentax and Sony mount, OS function is not available * Nikon Pentax Mounts: Does not have aperture ring On the positive side it is full frame. Well, that certainly kills off some entertaining speculation. The kindest thing I can say about Sigma's press release is that it was careless. Somebody in Sigma PR needs their arse kicked from here to Poughkeepsie. They unambiguously touted the virtues of the OS when announcing this lens for Pentax and Nikon, despite their own compatibility chart showing that the lens lacks its raison d'etre in these mounts. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax Lens Research Survey [Scanned]
http://www.pentaxforums.com/survey.php Right down the bottom of the list: Future Lenses This section is devoted to possible future lenses and how much interest they generate would they become reality. DAL denotes a lens is made as cheaply as possible. DA 11-16mm f2.8 * DA 35mm f2 * DA 50mm f1.7 * DA 85mm f1.4 * DA 135mm f1.8/2.8 * DA 400mm f4/5.6 * BRING IT ON! John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
Buy one now! http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/2168/Sigma-120-400mm-F4-5-5-6-APO-DG-OS-HSM-Lens---Pentax-Fit-.html !50-500 old one on special offer non-OS http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/2169/Sigma-150-500mm-F5-6-6-3-APO-DG-HSM-Lens---Pentax-Fit---SPECIAL-OFFER-.html New OS version http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/4928/Sigma-150-500mm-F5-6-6-3-APO-DG-OS-HSM-Lens---Pentax-Fit.html John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr [farranth...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 11:16 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] On 22 May 2010 19:45, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Digging further into the Sigma site I found the following: * For Pentax and Sony mount, OS function is not available * Nikon Pentax Mounts: Does not have aperture ring On the positive side it is full frame. Well, that certainly kills off some entertaining speculation. The kindest thing I can say about Sigma's press release is that it was careless. Somebody in Sigma PR needs their arse kicked from here to Poughkeepsie. They unambiguously touted the virtues of the OS when announcing this lens for Pentax and Nikon, despite their own compatibility chart showing that the lens lacks its raison d'etre in these mounts. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
The saga continues. When I followed The Sigma Corporation link from the press release on dpreview's page, it took me to Sigma's North American site, where the information is clearly obsolete. When I followed the link to Sigma from the Australian importer, it took me to the English language page of the parent company's website in Japan, where the up-to-date information tells us, The lens is equipped with Sigma's own unique OS (Optical Stabilizer) function. This function uses two sensors inside the lens to detect vertical and horizontal movement of the camera and works by moving an optical image stabilizer lens group to effectively compensate for camera shake. It offers the use of shutter speeds approximately 4 stops slower. Mode 1 is ideal for general photography, and Mode 2 is effective on moving subjects such as motor sports etc. *For Pentax and Sony mounts, it is not possible to use the AF and the built-in OS function of this lens when attaching it to film SLR cameras as well as Pentax *ist series and K100D. *When using the OS function of a lens with a camera which incorporates a stabilizer unit, please turn the camera’s stabilizer unit off. *For Nikon and Canon mounts, Optical Stabilizer (OS) function will not work with film SLR cameras except Nikon F6 and Canon EOS-1V. So, demerits to Sigma for screwing up the press release by not updating the relevent web page in what must be their biggest market. And demerits to dpreview for linking to the webpage of a regional importer, rather than the webpage of the parent company. Sigma and dpreview are to report to the detention room at 3.10pm this coming Thursday, regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement
The original blog entry says they scraped everything on Flickr. I know Flicker allows you to make your images private so the viewer has to enter a password. I've not used that for mine, but that looks to be in the future. Does anyone know if they scraped the private images as well as the public ones? And what happens if you remove the image from Flickr? From: Tom C It makes one shudder. If one were to ask for an image to be removed I can't imagine there is any kind of mechanism for preventing it from being scraped again. Tom C. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: In the couple of hours since I checked the site at work, now it's down. ?Here's the message it displays now: Imagelogr.com is currently offline as we are improving the website. Due to copyright issues we are now changing some stuff around to make people happy. Please check back soon. Uh huh. ?make people happy. ?Wonder if they're going to admit that they're thieves and stop it. ?I'm guessing not. Original Message Subject: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:25:41 -0400 From: Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com Is Imagelogr.com Trying to Be the Largest Copyright Infringer of All Time? http://thomashawk.com/2010/05/is-imagelogr-com-trying-to-be-the-largest-copyright-infringer-of-all-time.html -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
Cotty wrote: On 21/5/10, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: One of our members is apparently a dishonest, deceptive, lying bastard No need to be so hard on yourself Tom. He was bragging. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Night photography of NY and LV
From: Igor Roshchin I came across these interesting images: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/03/nyc_and_las_vegas_from_above_a.html Sorry if they had been posted here before. Igor Stunning! Pretty sure I've seen some of the NYC images before. I think they were used in Canon advertising. It was when the 7D came out and they were shot as video. Anyway, I remember something similar. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: YouTube stuttering
Is anyone else noticing YouTube doesn't stream anymore? Instead of video I'm getting: frame, frame pause skip frame frame pause skip frame skip frame pause skip ... It's been going on for several weeks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
Sigma and dpreview are to report to the detention room at 3.10pm this coming Thursday lol, thanks for the info, so now we know it's built into the lens exclusively and only relies on the camera for power. Just need to find some money now! John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr [farranth...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 11:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] The saga continues. When I followed The Sigma Corporation link from the press release on dpreview's page, it took me to Sigma's North American site, where the information is clearly obsolete. When I followed the link to Sigma from the Australian importer, it took me to the English language page of the parent company's website in Japan, where the up-to-date information tells us, The lens is equipped with Sigma's own unique OS (Optical Stabilizer) function. This function uses two sensors inside the lens to detect vertical and horizontal movement of the camera and works by moving an optical image stabilizer lens group to effectively compensate for camera shake. It offers the use of shutter speeds approximately 4 stops slower. Mode 1 is ideal for general photography, and Mode 2 is effective on moving subjects such as motor sports etc. *For Pentax and Sony mounts, it is not possible to use the AF and the built-in OS function of this lens when attaching it to film SLR cameras as well as Pentax *ist series and K100D. *When using the OS function of a lens with a camera which incorporates a stabilizer unit, please turn the camera’s stabilizer unit off. *For Nikon and Canon mounts, Optical Stabilizer (OS) function will not work with film SLR cameras except Nikon F6 and Canon EOS-1V. So, demerits to Sigma for screwing up the press release by not updating the relevent web page in what must be their biggest market. And demerits to dpreview for linking to the webpage of a regional importer, rather than the webpage of the parent company. Sigma and dpreview are to report to the detention room at 3.10pm this coming Thursday, regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement
Imaglogr now redirects to a message here: http://www.domainlogr.com/imagelogr.php Looks like it was a storm in a teacup. Maybe. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Night photography of NY and LV
Le 22/05/10 13:03, John Sessoms a écrit : From: Igor Roshchin I came across these interesting images: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/03/nyc_and_las_vegas_from_above_a.html Sorry if they had been posted here before. Igor Stunning! Pretty sure I've seen some of the NYC images before. I think they were used in Canon advertising. It was when the 7D came out and they were shot as video. Anyway, I remember something similar. no wonder astronomers can't see the stars any longer . it's beautiful but such a waste. There are only two spots left in France that are not polluted by city lights .. dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Night photography of NY and LV
From: Igor Roshchin I came across these interesting images: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/03/nyc_and_las_vegas_from_above _a.html no wonder astronomers can't see the stars any longer . it's beautiful but such a waste. There are only two spots left in France that are not polluted by city lights .. dominique Sarko's brain and Chirac's morals? What spots are they, in fact? I found those pictures rather depressing to be honest. Although they are beautiful what I got from them was that the individual is lost and effectively powerless against the overwhelming momentum of corporatism. But never mind, eh! At least the sun's shining in Greenwich. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: YouTube stuttering
On 22 May 2010 21:08, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Is anyone else noticing YouTube doesn't stream anymore? Instead of video I'm getting: frame, frame pause skip frame frame pause skip frame skip frame pause skip ... It's been going on for several weeks. Yes, I've noticed and it pisses me off. I'd rather wait and let a video load into the cache for smooth viewing, than endure the frame-dropping that's happening. But I'm also seeing it on other video hosting sites like Daily Motion and Viddler, so I suspect that Adobe Flash is the offender, and it's been rejigged to keep the timestream constant when it shows video, even if it means breaking the videostream. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Birding with the 18-250
Thanks, Jack and Ecke. The 18-250 was at 250. We had gotten a stuffed churro on the pier, which really wasn't very good. I was sitting on the ground, holding little bits of it in one hand, shooting with the other. At least until one of the gulls saw that what was left was under my leg and jumped in and took all that was left. On May 21, 2010, at 5:35 AM, eckinator wrote: Nice =) Did you use a remote for the 16-50 shot? I used my cable release. This was the day before and I didn't have any churro to tempt the birds in closer with. And is the DA* pigeon poo proof? Fortunately, I didn't test that. Cheers Ecke 2010/5/21 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The Tamron 18-250 is not an ideal lens for birding, but occasionally it's adequately sharp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4626335024/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4625707599/ Though occasionally you can even get in close enough with the 16-50 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4626341078/sizes/o/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Dodge
Great shot and I love the subtle motion blur you achieved on the car and the sharpishness on the driver.. Dave On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:05 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From yesterday's work stuff: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11034957size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
On 22/05/2010, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: So, demerits to Sigma for screwing up the press release by not updating the relevent web page in what must be their biggest market. And demerits to dpreview for linking to the webpage of a regional importer, rather than the webpage of the parent company. It's actually still not entirely clear, they are not doing themselves any favours, the following page is where I found the information that I posted earlier: http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/120-400mm-f45-56-dg-apo-os-hsm-sigma -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement
Anthony Farr wrote: Imaglogr now redirects to a message here: http://www.domainlogr.com/imagelogr.php Looks like it was a storm in a teacup. Maybe. Well, the company that was doing the image scraping says it was a storm in a teacup. They wouldn't lie, would they? :) Seriously, it does seem unlikely that they would be grabbing full-size images - the bandwidth and storage costs would be enormous and I can't see they'd get much benefit. The original post on thomashawk.com made no mention of how they determined that full-size images were being cached, rather than just thumbnails. Perhaps they just assumed this was the case. On the other hand, I never trust any business that anonymizes their whois information, as both imagelogr.com and domainlogr.com do. Something shady's going on. This is why I never put my images up on a place like Flickr. I keep my images on my own site, in a separate image directory with a robots.txt exclusion to keep search engines out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
On 22 May 2010 21:44, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually still not entirely clear, they are not doing themselves any favours, the following page is where I found the information that I posted earlier: http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/120-400mm-f45-56-dg-apo-os-hsm-sigma That's part of the North American website and describes the just superseded version of the lens. The trustworthy information is at the Japanese website, here: http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/lens/tele/120_400_45_56_os.htm regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
On 22/05/2010, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's part of the North American website and describes the just superseded version of the lens. The trustworthy information is at the Japanese website, here: http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/lens/tele/120_400_45_56_os.htm Thanks for that, it certainly looks interesting and affordable, I hope it's tested on Photozone soon. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
We also all agreed to do a group buy of the 645D in hopes of getting a volume price of $9500. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns red when it gets wet. Cells phones all have them. I've immersed two. Oddly, the one I quickly recovered died whereas the one I actually put through a cycle of the washing machine dried out just fine. I've had lots of experience with breaking technology. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:03 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/22 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way not a person and do not merit ethical treatment. You can't cheat an inanimate object. I have no love for corporations but if you allow yourself to slip into this way of thinking then you only degrade your own sense of morality. You can begin to treat other individuals in this impersonal way of doing business. My position is that you do yourself more harm psychologically/spiritually than you gain in the material transaction. Amen to that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7 first thoughts
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On May 21, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 21/05/2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: The K-7 pretty much nailed everything I wanted fixed about earlier Pentax DSLR's except the high ISO performance, which wasn't good enough to get me to upgrade. I still want a K-7x, the K-x is a great little body but the K-7's VF, build and sealing and LiIon batteries would be a big upgrade for me, I just need K-x level high ISO from it. I'm pretty much in the same boat, really I can't justify the purchase of a K7 when the K-x K20D combo will do pretty much all I need for the moment. After 15,000 K7 frames, I'd be really bummed if I had to shoot with my K20 again. And a Kx doesn't have the battery or frame rate horsepower I need. Not to mention a viewfinder that's acceptable for manual focus. Paul Paul, K-x is 4.7fps, K-7 is 5.2fps. Only real difference is buffer depth. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9
Stealing from big companies doesn't count either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEG9EnHnw0 ;-) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns red when it gets wet. Cells phones all have them. I've immersed two. Oddly, the one I quickly recovered died whereas the one I actually put through a cycle of the washing machine dried out just fine. I've had lots of experience with breaking technology. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:03 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/22 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way not a person and do not merit ethical treatment. You can't cheat an inanimate object. I have no love for corporations but if you allow yourself to slip into this way of thinking then you only degrade your own sense of morality. You can begin to treat other individuals in this impersonal way of doing business. My position is that you do yourself more harm psychologically/spiritually than you gain in the material transaction. Amen to that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned]
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/05/2010, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1005/10051401sigma120mm400sonypentax.asp#press Could be of interest to all those finding SR useless on long lenses, the 150-500 APO HSM is already listed at Sigma UK. So to be absolutely clear is the Sigma in-lens OS completely self contained and independent of the camera system (apart from the power supply requirements)? -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) No, it relies partially on the AF system of the camera, which is why OS won't work on a PZ-series camera. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned]
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2010 10:04, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Actually, it's pretty clear, neither AF or OS will function on bodies which don't support SDM (IE the K100D and all earlier bodies). HSM is merely Sigma's version of SDM and the OS system is integrated with the AF system in most lens-based implementations. Thanks for the clarification, Adam, that makes sense now. Pentax SDM signals use the old Powerzoom contacts, right? But that doesn't mean that a Powerzoom capable camera can control SDM, or the piggybacked OS, where they don't have a controller for those systems, so Thibouille's statement falls down on that point. OTOH, and IIRC (sorry, Mr Brewer) it took years for the protocols of all the KA contacts (and variations) to be deciphered, and Pentax was only telling service people. It's always possible that there are undisclosed protocols awaiting future products, and that SIgma has found and tapped into one of them. After all, how on earth can a Pentax control in-lens shake reduction when its native SR is in-body? Either these lenses have internal shake sensors and only need power through the mount (which makes Thibouille's statement feasible), or the Pentax bodies are also supplying shake data through the lens mounts. It has to be one or the other, there can be no free ride. Just speculating. regards, Anthony The body doesn't control the OS system, just the AF system (which is a SDM clone from the bodies perspective). The OS system is controlled by the lens CPU, but relies on input from the AF system for some items (mostly when to lock on I suspect). The accelerometers used by the OS system are in the lens. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7 first thoughts
On May 22, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Adam Maas wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On May 21, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 21/05/2010, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: The K-7 pretty much nailed everything I wanted fixed about earlier Pentax DSLR's except the high ISO performance, which wasn't good enough to get me to upgrade. I still want a K-7x, the K-x is a great little body but the K-7's VF, build and sealing and LiIon batteries would be a big upgrade for me, I just need K-x level high ISO from it. I'm pretty much in the same boat, really I can't justify the purchase of a K7 when the K-x K20D combo will do pretty much all I need for the moment. After 15,000 K7 frames, I'd be really bummed if I had to shoot with my K20 again. And a Kx doesn't have the battery or frame rate horsepower I need. Not to mention a viewfinder that's acceptable for manual focus. Paul Paul, K-x is 4.7fps, K-7 is 5.2fps. Only real difference is buffer depth. Yep. 4.7 fps doesn't help much when the camera stops dead in the water. But Kx is very nice. I'd like one for the occasional low-light work. Although I'd want it to be able to lock focus in low light as readily as the k7 does. Not sure if it can do that. Paul -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K7 first thoughts
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:29 AM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Paul, K-x is 4.7fps, K-7 is 5.2fps. Only real difference is buffer depth. Yep. 4.7 fps doesn't help much when the camera stops dead in the water. But Kx is very nice. I'd like one for the occasional low-light work. Although I'd want it to be able to lock focus in low light as readily as the k7 does. Not sure if it can do that. Paul The K-x is certainly much better than the previous Pentax's for low-light AF, not sure if it's as good as the K-7 though. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 01:38:51PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: From: Christian Skofteland It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to the bikers blowing through red lights and stop signs argument but only briefly touched on the drivers that go out of their way to intimidated and assault bicyclists. I have seen plenty of the bikers blowing through red lights and stop signs. It's a self correcting problem as far as I'm concerned. I've never witnessed motorists go out of their way to intimidate cyclists. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I have never seen it. I've been on the receiving end several times in one ride, in fact. I live in a fairly rural area and a lot of the people, especially 20-something males, find it sporting to brush as close to a cyclist as possible, yell obsenities, throw objects (cans, bottles, etc) from their vehicles, brake-check following cyclists, deliberately swerving into or in front of bikes... the list goes on. Every one of those things has happened to me. I ride sanely, keep to the right as much as possible, mind my own business and go out of my way to help cars pass me on blind hills or corners. As much as I've experienced the one thing I try to remember is to keep the middle finger firmly on the handlebar... -- Christian - http://404notfound.blogspot.com http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Dodge
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 08:05:11PM -0400, P N Stenquist wrote: From yesterday's work stuff: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11034957size=lg Wow! That's quite a shot. And quite a car! -- Christian - http://404notfound.blogspot.com http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Renewal
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 04:09:38PM -0600, Tom C wrote: From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg Beautiful shot. Beautiful light. -- Christian - http://404notfound.blogspot.com http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: the Quercy triangle (was Re: Night photography of NY and LV)
Le 22/05/10 13:23, Bob W a écrit : From: Igor Roshchin I came across these interesting images: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/03/nyc_and_las_vegas_from_above _a.html no wonder astronomers can't see the stars any longer . it's beautiful but such a waste. There are only two spots left in France that are not polluted by city lights .. dominique Sarko's brain and Chirac's morals? You're implying Sarkozy has morals ;-) more and more autoroutes are left in the dark at night now . One of them because someone stole 15kms of electrical copper wires ... as there were fewer accidents .. they never put them back on . What spots are they, in fact? Bob One of them is in the Causse du Quercy département du LOT ; they found out in 2002 that the weakest pollution by citylights was found near Rocamadour .. after the Bermuda triangle , the Quercy triangle !! for those who speak French http://www.tourisme-lot.com/fr/228/pages/d/nature-et-parc-naturel/quelques-secrets/page/0 the other one is Corsica . dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely not
Bob W wrote: Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as good as the French, but not bad. And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most subjects. But have a look at this video for an extreme anti-bike bias. It beggars belief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UiWji4osR0feature=player_embedded Can't argue about the gobbiness. But the incident is interesting. He seems to come out of his lane much further into the road, far earlier than I would expect. All very difficult to evaluate clearly from one poxy helmetcam but it seems, on first perusal, that there was fault on both sides. My personal style, when in heavy traffic, is to wobble like a five-year-old on their first ride without stabilisers. It generates quite a lot of vituperative comment but, so far, no collisions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT the Quercy triangle (part 2)
found there was an english version of the map of light pollution in France: http://avex.org.free.fr/dossiers/?page_id=91 dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
I'm hoping it's tested by someone soon in Pentax mount, I have a couple of concerns: 1. Battery drain 2. When the OS develops wear it degrades the IQ, as noted in Canikon IS/SW implementations. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert [distudio.p...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 12:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] On 22/05/2010, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's part of the North American website and describes the just superseded version of the lens. The trustworthy information is at the Japanese website, here: http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/lens/tele/120_400_45_56_os.htm Thanks for that, it certainly looks interesting and affordable, I hope it's tested on Photozone soon. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]
Sorry that should be Canikon IS/VR John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Whittingham [jo...@carmel.ac.uk] Sent: 22 May 2010 15:04 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] I'm hoping it's tested by someone soon in Pentax mount, I have a couple of concerns: 1. Battery drain 2. When the OS develops wear it degrades the IQ, as noted in Canikon IS/SW implementations. John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert [distudio.p...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 May 2010 12:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned] [Spam score:8%] On 22/05/2010, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's part of the North American website and describes the just superseded version of the lens. The trustworthy information is at the Japanese website, here: http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/english/lens/tele/120_400_45_56_os.htm Thanks for that, it certainly looks interesting and affordable, I hope it's tested on Photozone soon. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,, not
On 2010-05-21 23:11, frank theriault wrote: How does a helmet hinder such vigilance? I'm not suggesting replacing the helmet with vigilance, but augmenting the vigilance with a helmet. :-) I wouldn't ride a bike in Atlanta traffic largely because there are too many parts of me the safety gear doesn't protect and too many crazy and stupid drivers trying to make me test the safety gear. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets was no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, , not
On 2010-05-22 5:27, eckinator wrote: Haha ... you invoked Godwin on purpose - does that even count? Nope. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Dodge
This is a great shot, Paul. The car wonderfully pops from the motion blurred background. Love the color too. cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:05 PM Subject: PESO Dodge From yesterday's work stuff: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11034957size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mass-scale Copyright Infringement
On 2010-05-22 7:12, Anthony Farr wrote: Imaglogr now redirects to a message here: http://www.domainlogr.com/imagelogr.php Looks like it was a storm in a teacup. Maybe. Looks to me like they're trying to cover their asses before the lawsuits start rolling in. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO not cat, not bird , not dog ...... goldfish
I like it, Dominique. Fun. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Madame RD romd...@orange.fr To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:07 AM Subject: PESO not cat, not bird , not dog .. goldfish Some like motor parts, I like goldfish let's keep diversity on my favorite list . I cropped the bottom part I take a lot of pictures of my aquariums ; a good way to learn how my K100Dsuper works in low lights and high contrasts , using a 35-70 macro F zoom I had from my dad http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4621325240/sizes/m/ all comment welcome dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2
Hi Bruce: I think I prefer round 2. Interesting shot. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2 After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter. As I look at them, I still prefer the original. Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and surrounding rocks and trees: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm Original: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Googleplex
Wow. That's kinda neat. That's google? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: peso - Googleplex http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4620182863/ Simple handheld panorama. Your comments are welcome as always. --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Renewal
Wow! that's great, Tom. Really pretty light composition. Great mood. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:09 PM Subject: PESO - Renewal From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano
Wow! Shot from a moving harbor ferry! Good technique, Rob. Love the light as is. Very nice shot. cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:05 AM Subject: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano Hi Team, Another pano shot last weekend. The image was captured hand held using K-x and smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 f4 1/25, ISO 250 and assembled using Autopano rendered in a cylindrical projection. The source files consisted of 12 portrait 2MP in-camera JPG files. The output file contrast was modified using curves then reduced to 50% of its original size. Still not sure about the image brightness, it's always a difficult task to render mixed lighting at dusk. It's got a bit of a tilt issue but still it stands as a testament to Pentax SR given that it was shot from a moving harbour ferry ;-) http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~aglcnews/temp/Pano-IMGX01740sm.jpg (about 3MB and yes you will have to scroll ;-) Hope you enjoy. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew
Hi Dave: Nice blog and photos. Sorry to hear about the bus run situation. That's a nice group shot of the bus folks. The semi-inflated balloon was a fun touch. I also like the snow golfing shots. Hope a new situation turns up for you soon. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net; Barbara Brooks bbaro...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew Hi gang. http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ D200, SB 800 fill, Slick 700 pro tripod, company bus Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Dave: Nice blog and photos. Sorry to hear about the bus run situation. That's a nice group shot of the bus folks. The semi-inflated balloon was a fun touch. I also like the snow golfing shots. Hope a new situation turns up for you soon. Cheers, Christine Thanks Christine. I/we do have work with the new company, but its a company that we would rather not be with IYKWIM. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote: Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car driver simply refuses to give up his right of way to an errant cyclist and takes him out instead. That is absolutely disgusting. There's no justification for that kind of behaviour and I hope such drivers are being hauled into court. If they could have stopped but chose not to then they've committed assault, regardless of provocation. There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is operating his vehicle in such a way as to be a danger to others deserves some consequences. For myself, if I have to make the choice of going up on a sidewalk or crashing into a building to avoid an adult cyclist who is being an ass, I'll take the path that does the least damage to my vehicle and puts someone other than me clearly at fault. I do cut young children a lot of slack, but about the time they hit puberty I figure they should be showing some sense. If that means playing Whack-A-Mole with an idiot who wants to be a fatality, then I'm not going to argue with the dork. If I run into a parked car to avoid a cyclist, I'm the one who has run into a parked car, and I'll also be the one who get's nicked for doing it, since the cyclist is unlikely to wait around to admit fault. It's easier on my insurance that way. Our police are taking it pretty seriously though. A few weeks ago a cyclist ran a stop sign and got knocked over by a truck. The police made the effort to go to the hospital and ticket him for failing to stop, and I believe operating a vehicle without due care and attention. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
I've been on the receiving end several times in one ride, in fact. I live in a fairly rural area and a lot of the people, especially 20-something males, find it sporting to brush as close to a cyclist as possible, yell obsenities, throw objects (cans, bottles, etc) from their vehicles, brake-check following cyclists, deliberately swerving into or in front of bikes... the list goes on. Every one of those things has happened to me. I ride sanely, keep to the right as much as possible, mind my own business and go out of my way to help cars pass me on blind hills or corners. As much as I've experienced the one thing I try to remember is to keep the middle finger firmly on the handlebar... I had a near miss this morning. I needed to turn right across oncoming traffic to get to my street. I positioned myself correctly and waited for a gap in the traffic. While I was waiting, an oncoming car needed to do a left turn just after me. There was a van behind him driven by a young man who rather than slow down pulled out at speed to go round him and came straight at me. I could see the young man looking at and cursing the left-turning car in front of him, so I know he had not seen me. I had to make a sharp jump to my left to get out of his way. I knew there was no traffic coming behind me, so I was safe, but if there had been I would have been lucky to escape. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Chicago PESOs and GESOs
.Hi Everyone: Here's the Chicago Collection so far. If I missed anyone's PESO or GESO, please don't be offended. Just add to the list. Sasha Sobol: http://flickriver.com/photos/sobol/tags/chicago/ Karin Mitchell: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/GalleryNight/ PESO: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PDML/IMGP1260.jpg Tom Cakalic: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=967136 PESO: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11011691size=lg PESO: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659size=lg Ted Beilby: http://www.beilbyvisualarts.com/id15.html Ted - Art Institute http://www.beilbyvisualarts.com/id16.html Ted Chicago streets http://www.beilbyvisualarts.com/id18.html Ted Dinner gathering http://www.beilbyvisualarts.com/id17.html Ted Gardens http://www.beilbyvisualarts.com/id14.html Ted Opening night Cory Waters: PESO: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/12119115_CrWVU#861434254_H9M9Q-A-LB Tim Bray: http://www.tbray.org/pdml/Chicago-May-2010/ http://www.tbray.org/pdml/PDML-Augenblick/ Chris MItchell: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/ChicagoReflections/ http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PDMLers/ Boris (Windows only, exec file): http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.exe http://liberman-family.com/boris/chicago_2010/chicago_pdml.wmv Bill Robb: http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/chicago/index.html Christine Aguila: http://www.caguila.com/caguila/pdmlchiphotowalk/index.html http://www.caguila.com/caguila/pdmlgroup/content/pdmlchiexhibit_23_large.html Doug Brewer: http://www.alphoto.com/images/chicago2010/ Cotty's video, flash version: http://www.seeingeye.tv/pages/chicago.html http://www.vimeo.com/11579683 for download: www.tinyurl.com/cottycamidisk Larry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623939402789/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623920448635/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4608248172/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157624057206046/ http://red4est.com/augenblick/ Stan: One reflects a couple of walks in the Oak Park area: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p584621166 A second has a few shots from the PDML Gallery opening: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p552583829 Some shots of fellow PDMLers: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p583082280 And a few shots of the Art Institute and surrounding areas: http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p987771025 Ann: http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Bus-Trip-to-Chicago-May-2010/12194964_YYtFD Jostein: http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/thumbnails.php?album=21page=1 Mark: http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/chicago2010/index.html PESO: http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7da01856.htm Jay Taylor: http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Travel/Chicago-PDML-2010/12194534_MBhoP#868042130_je84c PESO: http://tiny.cc/ysnkf http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Architecture/1D-Mark-II-Images/Central-Camera-HDR/861292851_BAmYo-XL.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
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Re: Chicago PESOs and GESOs
Christine, after I managed to produce a .wmv file I deleted the .exe... Also I am working on a set of GESOs from the trip which I will publish later on. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicago PESOs and GESOs
Ok, I'll update when you post your next geso. cheers, christine - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Chicago PESOs and GESOs Christine, after I managed to produce a .wmv file I deleted the .exe... Also I am working on a set of GESOs from the trip which I will publish later on. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bird watcher Maritimtim
On 5/22/2010 2:15 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: PESO: Bird watcher Maritimtim Since so many at the list have been exposed lately. Now I think it's my turn. http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/05/bird-wathcer-maritimtim.html -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ Somehow I might have missed the original post. Happy birthday, Tim. But I still maintain that that portrait that I shot of you back in 2006 was better ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Googleplex
Thanks Christine, yes it is Google (not quite standard view though). --S On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow. That's kinda neat. That's google? Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: peso - Googleplex http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4620182863/ Simple handheld panorama. Your comments are welcome as always. --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: still VeryOT: helmets...
I'm a physician and have never heard anyone advocate that wearing a helmet should increase the risk of damage in an accident. This sounds rather similar to the very feeble arguments one hear from car drivers that hate using the seat belt. The psychology here is very simple, some people are too weak to accept the fact that what they do are inherently dangerous. There are also the motorcycle gangs that do not like what the mandatory helmet does to their beloved manlyhood. In fact, some claim that their dandruff becomes lethal if they have to wear a helmet. Take care, Bertil -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Didja miss me?
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Steven Desjardins wrote: We also all agreed to do a group buy of the 645D in hopes of getting a volume price of $9500. but which one of us gets to use it? Lets go alphabetically Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO not cat, not bird , not dog ...... goldfish
This has pond appeal. Dave On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Madame RD romd...@orange.fr wrote: Some like motor parts, I like goldfish let's keep diversity on my favorite list . I cropped the bottom part I take a lot of pictures of my aquariums ; a good way to learn how my K100Dsuper works in low lights and high contrasts , using a 35-70 macro F zoom I had from my dad http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4621325240/sizes/m/ all comment welcome dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: peso - Googleplex
I like how the sloping horizon takes you to the building at the right. BTW i looked and could not see any hand. Dave On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sobol/4620182863/ Simple handheld panorama. Your comments are welcome as always. --Sasha -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the original is more dramatic and concentrates the viewer's attention on the falls. Jack Agreed Dave --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 1:21 PM After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter. As I look at them, I still prefer the original. Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and surrounding rocks and trees: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-2.htm Original: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00373-1.htm -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PEOW: Mallard Youngun's
Thats very nice. Dave On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Jay Taylor taylorjohn...@cablespeed.com wrote: Pictures Every Once in a While. Here are a couple captures of a Mallard family I recently observed. Taken with the K-7 and DA*300/4. http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Nature/1D3/Ducklings-Kubota/861296397_6TSLx- XL.jpg http://www.jaytaylorphotography.com/Nature/1D3/IGP0965/845229260_DtKC5-L.jpg Thanks for looking/commenting, JayT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: still VeryOT: helmets...
I'm a physician and have never heard anyone advocate that wearing a helmet should increase the risk of damage in an accident. This sounds rather similar to the very feeble arguments one hear from car drivers that hate using the seat belt. The psychology here is very simple, some people are too weak to accept the fact that what they do are inherently dangerous. There are also the motorcycle gangs that do not like what the mandatory helmet does to their beloved manlyhood. In fact, some claim that their dandruff becomes lethal if they have to wear a helmet. Take care, Bertil Perhaps you and the physicians from the British Medical Association, who wish to make it compulsory to wear a helmet while cycling in Britain, should make the effort to look for counter-arguments to your own. The risks associated with wearing a cycle helmet are well established. The medical profession could perhaps also stop make pronouncements on matters which are nothing to do with them, such as making things compulsory for adults, rather than leaving it to the adults' own judgement, or lack thereof. The medical profession thinks it has some sort of right to force people to do things for their own good such as wear protective equipment, or stop boxing, but they are unable to produce any convincing reason why they, rather than florists for example, have that right. Ergo, they should stick to providing us with unbiased information, and to patching us up when required to do so, and let us make our own informed decisions about the risks we take or avoid. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UiWji4osR0feature=player_embedded Can't argue about the gobbiness. But the incident is interesting. He seems to come out of his lane much further into the road, far earlier than I would expect. I think he has come out at the right time, and in the right position. I'd say he is cycling as advocated by the likes of John Franklin in Cyclecraft. That is, he's taking the line justifiably. All very difficult to evaluate clearly from one poxy helmetcam but it seems, on first perusal, that there was fault on both sides. Can't agree with you. As I see it the driver deliberately knocked him off the bike. The cyclist was not at fault at all. My personal style, when in heavy traffic, is to wobble like a five-year-old on their first ride without stabilisers. It generates quite a lot of vituperative comment but, so far, no collisions. You are remarkably wise for one so young, my child. It seems that drivers give more space to cyclists who are NOT wearing a helmet than to people who are. This is thought to be because they assume that people wearing a helmet know what they are doing, and people like me do not. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: the Quercy triangle (was Re: Night photography of NY and LV)
You're implying Sarkozy has morals ;-) more and more autoroutes are left in the dark at night now . One of them because someone stole 15kms of electrical copper wires ... as there were fewer accidents .. they never put them back on . What spots are they, in fact? Bob One of them is in the Causse du Quercy département du LOT ; they found out in 2002 that the weakest pollution by citylights was found near Rocamadour .. after the Bermuda triangle , the Quercy triangle !! for those who speak French http://www.tourisme-lot.com/fr/228/pages/d/nature-et-parc-natu rel/quelques-secrets/page/0 That's very interesting. I must go there sometime. I hope I will get a nice clear sight of the stars while I am in the Cevennes next month. the other one is Corsica . Well, not really France though... :o) But another place I would very much like to visit some day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Renewal
Thanks for all the comments on Renewal. It was a magical morning. Tom On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Wow! that's great, Tom. Really pretty light composition. Great mood. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:09 PM Subject: PESO - Renewal From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PDML 2010 Annual Reconciliation?
Mark, How's it looking regarding receipts for all the copies brought to the exhibit? I know some one suggested the idea that if you end up short, that participants could voluntarily contribute so you don't get stuck holding the bill. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Leica M9
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Leica M9 Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble. You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working. That's like saying that any car that suffers a minor accident should always still be drivable. Most times it will be, but sometimes it won't be. Would it not be more honest to go through ones insurance company when one causes an accident? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew
A nice pic and a touching story. Paul On May 22, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Dave: Nice blog and photos. Sorry to hear about the bus run situation. That's a nice group shot of the bus folks. The semi-inflated balloon was a fun touch. I also like the snow golfing shots. Hope a new situation turns up for you soon. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net; Barbara Brooks bbaro...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew Hi gang. http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ D200, SB 800 fill, Slick 700 pro tripod, company bus Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Leica M9
As Christian pointed out some companies do have a very lenient return policy. Does the fact that the owner didn't say it was spilled upon make him dishonest? I don't think so. Was the customer service clerk happy to give him a new camera, without the need for an explanation? Yes he was. I don't see the problem here. I don't see how this is very different from a situation where I buy a camera, use it for two weeks and then decide I don't like it, or discover a model I like better. If that happened I would bring the camera back to the store, tell them I didn't like it and get a full refund. The store would be left holding a camera that they can no longer sell as new and will take a hit as they'll likely resell it as a used/opened item at a discount. In fact that scenario is actually worse for the retailer. In the first scenario, retailer gets a full credit from vendor or mfr. In the second, they absorb the cost. In both cases they are willing to do so in the name of customer service. I'm not advocating, what you mention Bill, where people return an 11ft board, or all their old deck lumber, or pieces of a product that they used to assemble a whole. That's fairly ridiculous and I can't really fathom why any business would allow that kind of return. But if the retailer makes the rules, and I abide by those rules (notice the rules do not require an explanation of why the item is not working), then I don't see a problem. What I see happening here is that there's an idea being expressed that an individual has to own up to each and every mistake they make, otherwise they're dishonest and not trustworthy. Is that reality for any one of us? Let's say there's a police officer sitting at an intersection and you run the red light, but he's looking down and doesn't see you. Do you stop and turn around and say Please Mr. Police Officer, I ran a red light, write me a ticket? By all rights you should get a ticket and those funds go to supporting the community infrastructure, but since you escaped notice now there is not as much money in the till. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:14 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Leica M9 Fine Bruce... don't start out though believing the system itself is noble. You can read it as justification if you want to. I read it as an accident occurred and the camera should not have stopped working. That's like saying that any car that suffers a minor accident should always still be drivable. Most times it will be, but sometimes it won't be. Would it not be more honest to go through ones insurance company when one causes an accident? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Renewal
Very nice! On 22 May 2010 00:09, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Spring Snow
Started snowing about 45 min. ago 13:00 MDT. Now about 3/4 on ground and this scene would be twice as white if taken at this moment. Just sharing a snapshot., http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11037556size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Renewal
On 5/21/2010 6:09 PM, Tom C wrote:
From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg
Yea, like I didn't already hate you enough.
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I love it when you hate me Peter. Thanks.
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On 5/21/2010 6:09 PM, Tom C wrote:
From home yesterday morning about 30 minutes after sunrise.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11027413size=lg
Yea, like I didn't already hate you enough.
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