date:20110413

Interesting effect, Tim!

Jack

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Tim Bray  wrote:

> From: Tim Bray 
> Subject: PESO: White evergreen
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:02 PM
> Outside of my usual visual
> vocabulary:
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html
> 
> Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown
> apartment...
> 
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PESO: Curious Gull

Like the "curious" tilt of the head. Fun at the lake.
The sun was in and out and I may have out exposed the shutter a wee bit. heck!

Comments encourages.

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

On Apr 13, 2011, at 1:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
>>> Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the "paragraph".
>> I'll do that
>> 
>> Dave
> 
> Given the perversity of the universe, all you'll manage to do is teach him 
> how to spell...

Mark!

I have more than a little temptation to comment on how his essay has provoked 
an interesting discussion on snob appeal vs. talent, or at least to challenge 
him to a photo competition, my 64 year old, unadjusted Argus C3 brick against 
his Leica M3.  However given the subjective aspect of photographic quality, it 
isn't nearly so cut and dried as asking whether I'd be able to keep up with him 
around the racetrack in his Porsche while driving my Dodge Van.

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Re: PESO: White evergreen

2011-04-13 Thread Bruce Walker


On 11-04-13 4:02 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

Outside of my usual visual vocabulary:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html

Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown apartment...

-Tim


*Very* nice, Tim. The reduced contrast and muted palette work well.

You're really having a gas with that new lens aren't you? ;-)  I envy 
your renewed vigor.


-bmw

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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread John Mullan

My first was a Kodak Brownie Holiday.  Received it for Christmas in 
1954-1955 timeframe.  In 61-62 timeframe I upgraded to a Kodak Brownie Super 
27.  Shot a lot of Super slides with that one.  '69 brought my first Pentax, 
H1a.  Later added an SPII, then a PZ1p, a 645, *istD and most recently K20d.


jm

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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:32 AM
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Subject: What was your first camera?

In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs

Bill

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Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake

2011-04-13 Thread Bulent Celasun

Boris and Steven,

Thank you very much for your comments.
And Steven, YES.
A fellow PDML member (Ms. Ann Sanfedele, if my memory is serving me
well) has suggested that I should submit more to PPG.
After that advice I submitted two images and this particular one was accepted.

It is great to be here; as a photographer, as a smart arse, as none or as both!

Bulent

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2011/4/13 Steven Desjardins :
> BTW, you did submit this to the PPG, right?
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Here's high praise:  When I saw this post I went back and looked at
>> the picture again, which is a very rare event.  It's a very pleasing
>> image.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>
> From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey.

 http://500px.com/photo/437321

 Bulent

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

Writing such as this is more likely the result of a compensated
inferiority complex.

On 4/13/2011 11:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm not a "professional," and really not even a craftsman, but I
recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of "the old
ways" in the name of professionalism is a fine way of looking down
one's nose at all who differ from one's own way of doing things.

Dan

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jim King wrote:

Jim King wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:58:35 -0700

This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for
some of you as well:

http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\

Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...

Lots of comments in the Leica Users Forum about Puts' post:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/176273-new-blog-entry-erwin-puts.html

Many of them have the same criticism of his writing/composing style as the posts here. I
hope that his thoughts will not get lost in the criticism of his style; his arguments for
the "old ways" are worth considering, and some of his criticism of our digital
era are on target IMO.

Regards, Jim

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

On Apr 13, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

> MARK!
> 
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, 
>> though it's usually spelled a little differently.

It's actually fairly common that owners of high quality gear tend to fall into 
two groups.  Those that spend the money because they need the quality, and 
those that buy the gear for bragging rights. There are also a few people that 
may not actually make full use of the performance, but buy the equipment from 
an aesthetic appreciation of the quality. The same is true of cameras, cars, 
tools, and probably sewing machines, dishwashers and vacuum cleaners. Of 
course, very few people actually think that they spend the extra money just for 
the snob appeal, they usually think that they're making use of the performance, 
or at least out of appreciation of, dare I say, the craftsmanship.

I can't help but wonder if Pentax owners have a similar reputation for 
annoyingly bragging about how our cameras perform as well, or better, than 
other brands, but cost so much less.

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Any PDML folks near Northridge, CA?

2011-04-13 Thread Cory Waters

Looks like I'm going out to visit the folks at JBL in Northridge CA next 
week.  I should have some evening time available.  Anybody out that way?


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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

I just loaded film into my ~30 year old LX, damn that camera is a joy to 
hold.


On 4/13/2011 10:12 AM, David Parsons wrote:

While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera?  You have to move on at
some point.

It's nostalgia speaking here.  It's hip to say that you shoot film,
and that you shot film before it was cool.  Guess what, the rest of
the world has moved on.  If he wants to shoot film, he can do that.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Jim King  wrote:

This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will for 
some of you as well:

http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\

Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...

Regards, Jim


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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism


On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\

Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the "paragraph".

I'll do that

Dave


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Re: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...

2011-04-13 Thread Toine

I have the previous print editions on my coffee table. I also got the
ebook version this year because I couldn't wait and plan to get the
print version later. The ebook version doesn't "pop" in my ebook
readers on PC or Ipad. The photo's are maybe one third of the screen.
I hope Mark produces a PDF version to carry it around and show other
people the amazing PDML work.

The matting was a surprise. It does work on most photo's. I need to
see it larger in print, I'm not sure on my photo in epub size.

Toine

On 13 April 2011 17:36, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I want to preface my comments by saying that I think the PDML Annual
> idea, with the proceeds going to charity is one of the REALLY great
> things about this list. I had a photo in last year's, but haven't seen
> the book. And I haven't seen previous year's books either, so I really
> have nothing to compare it to. I'd love to purchase those back
> volumes, at some point, but for whatever reason - mostly financial - I
> haven't made it a top priority yet.
>
> The eBook offering, I thought, was a GREAT idea. Particularly if it
> actually raises more money for the charity than a book purchase. My
> original plan was to buy the eBook - because I'm impatient and it
> allows me to see it in screen form now and then purchase the hard
> cover version (resulting in even more moola for the charity, for each
> person who plans on doing the same). It also "lowers the bar" (total
> price) to being able to donate in the first place, which should result
> in more people becoming buyers. Terrific idea!  We get to see it now,
> to satisfy our curiosity, and still have the book version in our hands
> at some point in the future.
>
> I can also appreciate how much work it probably is to put this all
> together and I think we are all very grateful to those that had a part
> in it, particularly Mark, for the hours and hours that go into the
> production, proof-reading, etc. along with (this year) the work of
> selecting a new charity to work with.
>
> It is with that in mind that I offer the following comments, in the
> interests of (perhaps) making next year's annual better than ever. I
> hope my comments are taken in the proper spirit, similar to the way we
> often ask for critique on our photographs without taking undue
> offense. True, Mark did not ask for such critique, which gives me
> pause. I first thought about sending them to Mark off-list, but I
> decided that putting it out there could allow for a bit of discussion
> on the various points below. Everyone can chime in on whether they
> think my thoughts are "off base" or might indeed make for a better
> annual next time around. I realize that, given this group's dynamic,
> there may be some (many?) that may take offense FOR Mark - but I hope
> we can keep the comments constructive and discuss them somewhat
> dispassionately.
>
> Discussion point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of
> the photos.
>
> Since the page layout was done in landscape mode, the way the book was
> designed made horizonal photographs appear much larger than vertical
> photographs, which I find unfortunate for the vertical photos and the
> photographers that submitted them.  I would much rather see the
> photographs on "equal footing" with one another and presented in the
> same size. This is easily, and attractively done by using either a
> square page format, or selecting/creating a square portion of a
> portrait or landscape formatted page in which to present the
> photograph. (The square being, in effect, the mat for the photo.)
>
> If you must use a rectangular page format (either vert. or horiz.)
> then you could use some of the extra space beside the square image
> area for the title or a colored box with a few of the funny quotes on
> each page - rather than saving them for multiple pages at the end.
>
> Discussion point No. 2: The "mats" around the photographs and how they
> effect the size of the photos.
>
> I found the majority of the mats HUGELY distracting from the
> photograph itself. I understand that most, if not all, were taken from
> an element of the photograph itself which was blown up to create a
> color/texture, but I would argue that first and foremost the
> photographs themselves should be the "stars" of the page but it seemed
> more like it was "look at the neat mats". They competed for attention
> with the photograph itself, in most cases and did not compliment them.
> The best mats (IMHO) were the most minimalistic mats such as those on:
> Christine's "My Nephew, Akira"
> Frank's "Long Trip Home"
> and
> César's "Freeport Church"
>
> In any event, I would rather see the photographs presented as
> physically large as possible on the page, and the mat provided another
> element to downsize them, which I found disappointing.
>
> Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the photographs themselves.
>
> I don't know if this was added in the book design or if they were in
> the photographs submitted

Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake

BTW, you did submit this to the PPG, right?

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Here's high praise:  When I saw this post I went back and looked at
> the picture again, which is a very rare event.  It's a very pleasing
> image.
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey.
>>>
>>> http://500px.com/photo/437321
>>>
>>> Bulent
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>> I am coming late here...
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Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake

Here's high praise:  When I saw this post I went back and looked at
the picture again, which is a very rare event.  It's a very pleasing
image.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>>
>>> From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey.
>>
>> http://500px.com/photo/437321
>>
>> Bulent
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PESO: White evergreen

2011-04-13 Thread Tim Bray

Outside of my usual visual vocabulary:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/04/13/-big/RUNE0018.jpg.html

Might make a nice poster for an ultra-postmodern downtown apartment...

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

MARK!

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, though 
> it's usually spelled a little differently.
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Jim King wrote:

> This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will 
> for some of you as well:
> 
> http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html

I find that his writing displays neither professionalism, nor craftsmanship. 

Like others, I disagree with his definition of professionalism, and would 
describe it as doing a job that is good enough, without wasting too much time 
or resources on doing it better than it needs to be.

> 
> Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...

The stereotypical Leica owner does have a reputation for being a Puts, though 
it's usually spelled a little differently.  

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

Photoshop 4.0, I got it bundled with something.  Then I got Elements 2.0 
bundled with something else.  I can't remember which I installed first.


On 4/12/2011 7:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Just a follow up to Bills, what was your first camera.

My first photo edit program was Corel draw 5 i think it was. Just
after my purchase of a Kodak DC25.

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PESO -- Before the Storm

Just popping in to post a quick PESO, well two if you count different 
renderings.


Not much of a stretch but I liked it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestorm.html

then the B&W version

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20beforethestormb&w-pt.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

Note:  B&W conversion done with B&W Plus with a faux Green filter 
applied, then a "Platinum" layer applied.


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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2011-04-13 11:32, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I appreciate that the old film cameras had a longer lifespan than the
digital ones.  The problem is that for many of us color was a thing
left to the labs, whereas B&W was a medium were we could do some PP.
Now color is there as well.


I started reading it and putting together a point by point rebuttal.  It 
got way too long, way too fast.  So, I'm going to sum up my response:


Bull pucky!  Starting with flawed definitions for professionalism and 
craftsmanship and going on down the line.


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Re: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...

2011-04-13 Thread Jaume Lahuerta

Darren,

I tend to agree with you in number 1 and specially 2 and 3. I always preferred 
the classical black background, that focuses more on the pictures although in 
this kind of books it presents some problems with dark pictures, where it is 
difficult to distinghish the edges from the background.


But this is a matter of taste so I can easily imagine others preferring the 
current style.

About number 4, I  understant that the spirit of the book is to show PDMLers' 
work, not the best work among all PDMLers.

Regards,
Jaume


- Mensaje original 
> De: Darren Addy 
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: mié,13 abril, 2011 17:36
> Asunto: Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...
> 

> Discussion  point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of
> the  photos.
> 
> Discussion point No. 2: The "mats" around the photographs and  how they
> effect the size of the photos.
> 
> Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the  photographs 
themselves.
> 
> 
> Discussion point No. 4:  Everybody gets an image in.
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Re: OT What was your first editing program

I also used Micrografx Picture Publisher and really liked it.   Then i
got access to PS for free and couldn't justify PP anymore.



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>
> Micrografx Picture Publisher.
>
> I think I started with V3, and used it up to V9 or V10.
>
> Then I switched over to Photoshop Elements V3, and Lightroom
> (from the Beta program onwards).
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Re: Gmail quoting

2011-04-13 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2011-04-13 11:31, mike wilson wrote:


that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from
Usenet) to denote a signature block; Dan combined top-posting with a
signature line, which put the entire quoted material into the signature
area; Ann's email client is trying to be efficient by stripping what it
thinks are signatures when quoting for replies



I had this (at the time) baffling behaviour with NS7.x some years ago.


That's also one of the original arguments against "top posting", for 
what it's worth.


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Re: OT What was your first editing program

2011-04-13 Thread Doug Franklin

My first image editing "program" was a library of 8088 assembly code I 
wrote a lonnng time ago.  It worked more like ImageMagick (batch 
mode) than Photoshop (interactive).  Of course, that was back when 
MS-DOS 2.0 (IBM PC XT) was the current version.  And there wasn't any 
such thing as an image editing program on the PC, as far as I knew.


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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

No.  I read it on my desktop and laptop with a free Firefox plug-in.

Dan

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Do you need a tablet to read the ebook.??
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
>> Just got my epub version, it is splendid!
>> You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos.
>> And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book.
>> I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward!
>> HUGE kudos to Mark.
>> Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser.
>>
>> --Sasha
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Bong Manayon  wrote:
>>> Ordered my copy...thanks Mark!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910
 ;-)

 Bonuses:
 If you order today and enter the code "GMA" (must be all upper-case
 letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25%
 discount!

 If you buy the "hardcover with dust jacket" version of the book (not
 the "ImageWrap") you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust
 jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem.

 More information:
 I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book
 promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00
 total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes,
 Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for
 the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit
 left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out*
 review copies when I get them.

 I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine
 reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more
 review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish
 in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone
 owed any favors by low people in high places?)

 I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own
 web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the
 Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I
 won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the
 semester - things are getting busy now.
 See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> Why?
>
> That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the
> manufacturers, not the consumers.

While it would be nice for a camera to last forever, I don't see much
to complain about in relation to the days of film.

My K10D is 4 years old. It still works fine. I want a K-5, but only
because the K-5 is better, not because the K10D is any worse than when
I got it.

In the 4 years I've had my K10D, I estimate that I would have spent
about $3,000 in film and processing to take the same number of
exposures on film. So if my K10D dies today, why should I complain
about the cost of a new body?

If periodic replacement/upgrade of digital bodies isn't cheaper than
shooting film, then either you're spending too much on the bodies
(*cough* Leica *cough*) or you're not taking enough pictures (*cough*
collectors *cough*).

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Re: Tilt-shift lenses or adaptors

2011-04-13 Thread Darren Addy

It sort of depends what you are wanting to shoot. Do you need infinity
focus? Do you need a wide angle view? It is hard to have it all
without buying a tilt-shift lens that was made for your mount.

I'm no expert on this, but learned a bit when creating this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/sets/72157606681839809/

The main thing working against me on this was the prism/pentamirror
overhang on my K200D. You wouldn't need as big an adapter on the back
if you wanted to use my contraption with a film SLR and so might still
be able to get infinity focus. But it is still going to be a 90mm
focal length lens.

My idea was to take the rise and swing built into the old folder and
put it to use on a DSLR.
The problem is that if your lens is farther away from the film plane
(sensor) than designed, you will lose infinity focus. (But it will
work for stuff closer).
Larger format lenses have larger flange to film distances, so will
definitely work better - but the problem is that they will be longer
focal length than what you probably wanted. You'll notice that most
tilt shift lenses are on wide angle lenses for the format. Here the
1.5x crop factor of APS-C DSLRs is also working against you.

So, the best solution would be to have a tilt/shift adapter that
worked with your camera and the widest angle 645 lens you can find.
For example: the Pentax 645 35mm f/3.5

A SMC K Shift lens (28mm f3.5) recently sold for a bit north of $600
including shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K-SMC-Shift-28mm-f-3-5-Lens-MINT-/360356155270?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item53e6e68f86#ht_4668wt_1139

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RE: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Bob W

> While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
> does he really expect to be using his camera?  You have to move on at
> some point.

Why? 

That's just a justification for built-in obsolescence to satisfy the
manufacturers, not the consumers. 

> 
> It's nostalgia speaking here.  It's hip to say that you shoot film,
> and that you shot film before it was cool.  Guess what, the rest of
> the world has moved on.  If he wants to shoot film, he can do that.

He has an M9. He's moaning that the sensor will be f_cked in a relatively
short time, and will reduce the lifespan of the camera compared to his M3.
It seems perfectly reasonable to want a camera that costs £5,000.00 to last
a long time. If the sensor fails after, say, 20 years, and the rest of the
body is designed to last 50, someone in the accounting department will ask
why they are wasting so much cost in the body, and lower the quality so that
it too has a life expectancy of only 20 years, and before you know it Leicas
will be made of cardboard.

People are still using Leicas from the 13th century, or thereabouts. Long
may they continue to do so!

B



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RE: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Bob W

> > This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect
> it will for some of you as well:
> >
> > http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
> >
> > Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese
> Leica...
> >
> > Regards, Jim
> 
> Whoa! That article amply demonstrates why paragraphs are a Good Idea.
> I'd like to read it, but I'm put off by that swollen river of run-on
> text.

Erwin Puts hardly ever writes anything worth reading, paragraphs or not. 

B


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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Dario Bonazza


The first couple sentences...

"The last few weeks I took pictures with a fifty-year-old Leica M3 that 
recently has been serviced with minor adjustments. This was the first 
overhaul in half a century and given the small amount of repairs it should 
now be fit for another half century."


...already describe the person. All lab technicians I spoke to about tuning 
old Leicas told me they mostly get horribly mis-adjusted cameras to restore 
as possible. That's not a Leica fault, it's the unavoidable problem for any 
decently-built mechanical camera of that age. A mechanical camera cannon be 
tuned as precisely as a typical Leica owner dreams of when new, go figure a 
fifty-year-old one. However, any polite technician will always assure the 
Leica owner his camera only needed minor adjustments.
That said, it is true that a mechanical camera from the fifties will operate 
much longer than an electronic one. Take it for granted. That also applies 
to say a SV, a Spotmatic or a K1000. I own a couple Asahiflexes 
(mid-fifties) which look like having been manufactured in late 2010 and work 
flawlessly, adjusted more or less like you can expect from a Leica of the 
same vintage.


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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

Would work for me only as a peripherally detected black and white pattern.

Jack

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> Subject: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 9:48 AM
> Hi there.
> 
> Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from
> technical stand point to the previous ones...
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html
> 
> Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be
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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

Do you need a tablet to read the ebook.??

Dave

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
> Just got my epub version, it is splendid!
> You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos.
> And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book.
> I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward!
> HUGE kudos to Mark.
> Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser.
>
> --Sasha
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Bong Manayon  wrote:
>> Ordered my copy...thanks Mark!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>> Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Bonuses:
>>> If you order today and enter the code "GMA" (must be all upper-case
>>> letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25%
>>> discount!
>>>
>>> If you buy the "hardcover with dust jacket" version of the book (not
>>> the "ImageWrap") you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust
>>> jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem.
>>>
>>> More information:
>>> I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book
>>> promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00
>>> total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes,
>>> Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for
>>> the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit
>>> left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out*
>>> review copies when I get them.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine
>>> reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more
>>> review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish
>>> in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone
>>> owed any favors by low people in high places?)
>>>
>>> I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own
>>> web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the
>>> Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I
>>> won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the
>>> semester - things are getting busy now.
>>> See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/
>>>
>>> Have at it!
>>>
>>>
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>>> www.robertstech.com
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>>>
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Re: Tilt-shift lenses or adaptors

2011-04-13 Thread Peter Zalabai

Only the Hartblei one. The Arsat (rebranded as Arax or Photex) one is
still selling:
35mm f2.8:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Arax-Photex-2-8-35mm-TILT-SHIFT-lens-Pentax-M42-camera-/170620854199?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27b9cb9fb7#ht_wt_1141

80mm f2.8:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Arax-Photex-2-8-80mm-TILT-SHIFT-lens-Pentax-M42-camera-/170620853126?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27b9cb9b86#ht_1052wt_1141

And you can also find used one on Ebay sometimes...

.t

Ps.: I just made this picture today with PSix adaptor and Flektogon
50/f4, tilted at 8:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/5615919487/


On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 13:26 -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Peter Zalabai
> 
> > Not sure what's cheap for you, but you might want to have a look at the
> > Hartblei and Arsat lenses:
> > http://www.hartblei.com/lenses/general_info.htm
> >
> > In Soviet Russia the lenses tilt you! :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > .timber
> >
> 
> When you go to the price list you find the following message:
> 
> "Super-Rotator lenses are out of stock ... (please, don't ask about 
> availability - if item is available, it's mentioned in the price list)"
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism


On Apr 13, 2011, at 10:49 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> 
> That doesn't, however, make the opposite true.
> 
> My file names were *PERFECT*!

I saw a photographer drinking a Pina Colada at Grandfather mountain,
his filenames were perfect.

> 

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Tom C

Mark wrote:

>Doug Brewer and I see a similar effect at the GFM photo contest we
>judge: the people who mess up the (very simple) file-naming convention
>never produce winning photos.

>Anyway, I think the article in question shows that a similar
>phenomenon exists with regards to the written word.

I see that frequently at work. I get to review resumes and perform
technical phone interviews with candidates. I recently had a 16-page
double-spaced resume submitted from a guy with 10 years experience (my
30 years is condensed to 4 pages). The resume was so loaded with
grammatical errors I stopped marking it up. One 4-line bulleted
paragraph was repeated almost verbatim for four different employers.
The resume frequently explained how something worked vs. what the
individual did.

The phone interview went the same. Long rambling answers that did not
answer the questions. When I drilled down to elicit specific responses
they were vague or incorrect.

I instantly think that if this document is the single most important
document essential to your career success and so little attention is
paid to detail, content, and quality, what kind of software and
written documents will you produce for the client?

Tom

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

From: Mark Roberts

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
>The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly 
and obvious.

There's a story Galen Rowell related in one of his books about the
post-workshop slide presentations he always used to have.

Each participant got to pick a number of their own shots from the
workshop to be shown. Now a slide can go into a projector 8 different
ways and 7 of them are wrong. And it's not always apparent to others
which orientation is correct. So Galen instructed everyone to mark
their slides with a dot in the upper right corner of the mount, viewed
from the side from which the slide looked correct. This tremendously
speeds up getting a couple of hundred slides into a carousel.

In every workshop, however, some people just couldn't get it right.
They either forgot the dot or put it in the wrong location. Rowell
observed that these people also invariably produced the weakest
photographs. He concluded that their lack of awareness/care/attention
in marking the slide was not just confined to slide marking but
affected their creative output as well.

Doug Brewer and I see a similar effect at the GFM photo contest we
judge: the people who mess up the (very simple) file-naming convention
never produce winning photos.

That doesn't, however, make the opposite true.

My file names were *PERFECT*!

Anyway, I think the article in question shows that a similar
phenomenon exists with regards to the written word.

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Re: Tilt-shift lenses or adaptors

2011-04-13 Thread Thibouille

But Arsat lenses are available:

MC PCS Arsat 45mm / f=3.5 Shift w/ Pentacon Six or Kiev 88 lens mount 295$
Just put a Pentacon to PK adapter and you get a cheap Shift lens.
No T/S but better than nothing.

2011/4/13 John Sessoms :
> From: Peter Zalabai
>
>> Not sure what's cheap for you, but you might want to have a look at the
>> Hartblei and Arsat lenses:
>> http://www.hartblei.com/lenses/general_info.htm
>>
>> In Soviet Russia the lenses tilt you! :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> .timber
>>
>
> When you go to the price list you find the following message:
>
> "Super-Rotator lenses are out of stock ... (please, don't ask about
> availability - if item is available, it's mentioned in the price list)"
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism


From: Mark Roberts


http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\

Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the "paragraph".




I also disagreed with his definition of "professionalism".

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Re: Enablement- upgrades...


On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

> Finally upgraded my K10D for a K-5;

Congratulations.  Welcome to the club.

> my son finally gets the K-r to
> replace the *ist DS...photos after this weekend :-)

Are you competing with Boris for the best dad award?

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

From: William Robb

On 12/04/2011 5:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Just a follow up to Bills, what was your first camera.
>
> My first photo edit program was Corel draw 5 i think it was. Just
> after my purchase of a Kodak DC25.
>
> Dave
>

Some Microsoft thing that came with a scanner that I had purchased.

Photoshop 5 Limited Edition that came with Nikon Coolscan IV ED.

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Re: Tilt-shift lenses or adaptors


From: Peter Zalabai


Not sure what's cheap for you, but you might want to have a look at the
Hartblei and Arsat lenses:
http://www.hartblei.com/lenses/general_info.htm

In Soviet Russia the lenses tilt you! :)

Regards,
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When you go to the price list you find the following message:

"Super-Rotator lenses are out of stock ... (please, don't ask about 
availability - if item is available, it's mentioned in the price list)"


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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Sorenson

I used several cameras belonging to my parents and grandparents, but the 
first that was actually mine was a Minute 16 that used a tiny cassette 
loaded with 16mm film.  My first "serious" camera was an Argus C-3, 
purchased in 1962 for $25.  Next was a Honeywell Pentax H1a.  Cost was 
$150 paid off at $10/month.


-p

On 4/13/2011 8:52 AM, Morris Galloway wrote:
Voigtlander Bessamatic with a 50mm  lens.  SLR with leaf shutter. 
Learned a lot in a hurry. I was 15.


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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

That works nicely, Boris!

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to
> the previous ones...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html
>
> Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated.
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Re: What was your first camera?

Brownie Hawkeye (flash was long gone before I got it) ... a gift from my 
grandmother, it was her old camera.


After that I had a number of Kodak cartridge film cameras in 126 & 110, 
until the first SLR I bought during my first attempt at college (1968 or 
so) - a Praktika, I don't remember the model.


Wore the shutter out & took it to the recommended repairman who closed 
up shop with no warning. One day he was there, and the next he was gone 
along with my camera.


After that, I had a number of SX series Polaroid cameras until I got an 
A3000 some time in the mid 80s. It was Pentax's latest & greatest at the 
time, and more importantly they had it in stock at the PX.


Kept it about 3 months before trading it in on a used Super Program.

And the rest is, as they say, history ...

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Re: Boris PESO #9 - Impressions

2011-04-13 Thread Bill Owens

Sorry, Boris, but doesn't do anything for me

Bill

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> Hi there.
>
> Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand point to
> the previous ones...
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html
>
> Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated.
>
> Boris
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Re: OT What was your first editing program

Matthew Hunt wrote:

>On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>
>> Etch-a-Sketch.
>
>Magna-Doodle had a more intuitive, pen-based interface.

That's why we purists sneer at it!
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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

From: "Brian Walters"

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:18 -0400, "Mark Roberts"  wrote:

> Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910
> ;-)

Done!  Ordered the hard cover with dust jacket.

The GMA code doesn't seem to work outside the USA.  When I tried I got
two error messages:

* Sorry, this promotion cannot be be applied to books you did not
author.
* Sorry, the promotion code you entered isn't available in your selected
currency. Make sure you've selected the right currency.

So I changed the currency to $US, which got rid of the second message
but I was still stuck with the first.

No matter!  Looking forward to its arrival.

Got the "books you did not author" error message in the USA as well.

Ordered Softcover & Hardcover, Dust Jacket.

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Boris PESO #9 - Impressions


Hi there.

Here is another one somewhat similar, at least from technical stand 
point to the previous ones...


http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2011/04/peso-2011-09-impressions.html

Brutal and honest comments are as always going to be appreciated.

Boris

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

2011-04-13 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> Etch-a-Sketch.

Magna-Doodle had a more intuitive, pen-based interface.

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
>The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly 
>and obvious.

There's a story Galen Rowell related in one of his books about the
post-workshop slide presentations he always used to have. 

Each participant got to pick a number of their own shots from the
workshop to be shown. Now a slide can go into a projector 8 different
ways and 7 of them are wrong. And it's not always apparent to others
which orientation is correct. So Galen instructed everyone to mark
their slides with a dot in the upper right corner of the mount, viewed
from the side from which the slide looked correct. This tremendously
speeds up getting a couple of hundred slides into a carousel.

In every workshop, however, some people just couldn't get it right.
They either forgot the dot or put it in the wrong location. Rowell
observed that these people also invariably produced the weakest
photographs. He concluded that their lack of awareness/care/attention
in marking the slide was not just confined to slide marking but
affected their creative output as well.

Doug Brewer and I see a similar effect at the GFM photo contest we
judge: the people who mess up the (very simple) file-naming convention
never produce winning photos.

Anyway, I think the article in question shows that a similar
phenomenon exists with regards to the written word.

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

Etch-a-Sketch.

 
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Re: PESO - Skyline

2011-04-13 Thread Sasha Sobol

B&W for me - wins by a huge margin.

--Sasha

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 3/16/2011 21:59, frank theriault wrote:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/03/skyline.html
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/skyline-colour-version.html
>>
>> I think I prefer B&W, because Parkdale is kind of a monochrome place
>> to me.  OTOH, some of you may enjoy the colours of the sign.
>
> Color for me, Frank. Among other things it also helps to get a glimpse on
> the weather which, as I understand, was rather chilly on that day.
>
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Re: Gmail quoting

2011-04-13 Thread mike wilson


On 12/04/2011 19:36, steve harley wrote:

On 2011-04-12 10:46 , Matthew Hunt wrote:

One possibility: The material Dan quoted appears below his signature.
Some mail applications suppress quoting signatures (presumably
everything after the "--").



that's exactly it; two hyphens is a standard (actually borrowed from
Usenet) to denote a signature block; Dan combined top-posting with a
signature line, which put the entire quoted material into the signature
area; Ann's email client is trying to be efficient by stripping what it
thinks are signatures when quoting for replies



I had this (at the time) baffling behaviour with NS7.x some years ago.

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

2011-04-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I wrote my own image editing application while I worked at NASA/JPL in
1984. It was simple and crude but got the job I needed done, ran on
Macintosh and VAX/VMS.

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Re: OT What was your first editing program

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Sorenson

First photo editing was a Federal enlarger - bought from some catalog 
for about $17 some time around 1953.  The guy who owned the local studio 
supplied me with paper, chemicals and advice.  First pixel editing was 
probably PaintShop; shareware from Jasc back in the early 1990s.  Early 
versions didn't support layers.


-p

On 4/12/2011 6:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Just a follow up to Bills, what was your first camera.

My first photo edit program was Corel draw 5 i think it was. Just
after my purchase of a Kodak DC25.

Dave




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RE: Tilt-shift lenses or adaptors


From: Krisjanis Linkevics


Thibouille


I didn't think about those. Can they really replace a proper T/S
lens ?

A couple days ago I sent this little gallery of a T/S lens I made -
no real-real-life shots yet (damn weather, work):
http://foto.ri-ki.lv/categories.php?cat_id=6

I wouldn't think a real lensbaby could replace a T/S lens because
even their best lens is "sharp" only in the center. At least for me
it is way too expensive for what it provides. Also depends on the
precision you need for your adjustments.

kris


AFAIK, the Lensbaby only manages the tilt part of tilt/shift.

You might try contacting Zörk to see if they make an adapter to fit K-mount.

http://www.zoerk.com/pages/products.htm

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Re: PESO s spinning fire


From: Walter Gilbert


Great shots, Larry!

I never quite got the hang of shooting the fire spinners while we were
out there.  The closest I manage to get was near the end of the spinning
and was ruined by the fact that I'd zoomed in too tight so that the fire
left the frame and re-entered at the outer edges.  Kind of a bummer.



Just means you've got a reason to go back and try again.



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Re: What was your first camera?

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:18, Chris Sheppard wrote:
>
>> My first was a Argus 126 plastic wonder:
>> http://junkstorecameras.com/jscimages/Argus126.jpg
>>
>> My first 'real' camera was a Pentax ME Super, which I still have and
>> will never let go.
>>
>
> LOVE the ME Super.  Even though I don't shoot with it anymore, I'll just keep 
> it in the bag in the closet... no sense in getting rid of it.
>
> Every once in a while I'll do something silly like put the 16-50 on there and 
> look through the HUGE viewfinder.
>

Ha! That's exactly what I do every now and then to remind me how
wonderful is the view through a good viewfinder.

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Stenquist

OMG! All one paragraph. It's unreadable.
The part I managed to get through before my eyes and brain hurt seemed silly 
and obvious.
Paul


On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> To be fair, his arguments are not without merit.  I'm always
> suspicious, however, when anyone quotes Pirsig.  Ultimately, Pirsig's
> view of quality is an "I know it when I see it" argument.  It's not
> wrong, just difficult to apply and even harder to adjudicate when
> there is a difference of opinion.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:06 AM,   wrote:
>> I had the same thought. Composition grade would drop. Ironic given the
>> topic.
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2011 7:46am, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Enablement- upgrades...


On 4/13/2011 18:37, Bong Manayon wrote:

Finally upgraded my K10D for a K-5; my son finally gets the K-r to
replace the *ist DS...photos after this weekend :-)



Congratulations to both of you!

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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

2011-04-13 Thread Sasha Sobol

Just got my epub version, it is splendid!
You guys managed to produce and impressive collection of photos.
And Mark managed to create an excellent coherent book.
I was impressed by two previous books but this one is a huge leap forward!
HUGE kudos to Mark.
Btw, I am using http://bookworm.oreilly.com to read the book in browser.

--Sasha


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> Ordered my copy...thanks Mark!
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910
>> ;-)
>>
>> Bonuses:
>> If you order today and enter the code "GMA" (must be all upper-case
>> letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25%
>> discount!
>>
>> If you buy the "hardcover with dust jacket" version of the book (not
>> the "ImageWrap") you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust
>> jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem.
>>
>> More information:
>> I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book
>> promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00
>> total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes,
>> Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for
>> the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit
>> left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out*
>> review copies when I get them.
>>
>> I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine
>> reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more
>> review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish
>> in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone
>> owed any favors by low people in high places?)
>>
>> I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own
>> web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the
>> Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I
>> won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the
>> semester - things are getting busy now.
>> See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/
>>
>> Have at it!
>>
>>
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Jim King

Daniel J. Matyola wrote on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:33:00 -0700

>  I'm not a "professional," and really not even a craftsman, but I
> recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of "the old
> ways" in the name of professionalism is a fine way of looking down
> one's nose at all who differ from one's own way of doing things.

Many (but by no means all) Leica enthusiast are like that...

After all, they are champions of a camera design which is virtually unchanged 
form the 1950s!

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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

2011-04-13 Thread Bong Manayon

Ordered my copy...thanks Mark!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Cut to the chase: http://www.blurb.com/my/book/detail/2098910
> ;-)
>
> Bonuses:
> If you order today and enter the code "GMA" (must be all upper-case
> letters) in the discount code box during checkout you'll get a 25%
> discount!
>
> If you buy the "hardcover with dust jacket" version of the book (not
> the "ImageWrap") you get bonus photos on the inner flaps of the dust
> jacket, one by Rick Womer and one by Carl Gjersem.
>
> More information:
> I want to express my appreciation to all who donated to the book
> promotional fund. Most people contributed $5.00 and we got $340.00
> total. With the 10% volume discount and the 25% GMA discount (yes,
> Blurb allowed both discounts) I was able to order a dozen books for
> the price of 10, including shipping costs. I think there's even a bit
> left over in the kitty to allow me postage money for sending *out*
> review copies when I get them.
>
> I'm looking for suggestions/ideas for promotion. Print magazine
> reviews are pretty much out of the question: They already get more
> review samples than they have time for and we'd be just an tiny fish
> in a big sea (unless we can get someone on the inside to help - anyone
> owed any favors by low people in high places?)
>
> I'm also offering the ebook version on line for $6.00 through my own
> web site at the moment. I've worked out a deal to offer it through the
> Apple iTunes store through one of their official distributors, but I
> won't be able to finish the paperwork and details until the end of the
> semester - things are getting busy now.
> See http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/
>
> Have at it!
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Enablement- upgrades...

2011-04-13 Thread Bong Manayon

Finally upgraded my K10D for a K-5; my son finally gets the K-r to
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Some thoughts on my first PDML annual purchase...

2011-04-13 Thread Darren Addy

I want to preface my comments by saying that I think the PDML Annual
idea, with the proceeds going to charity is one of the REALLY great
things about this list. I had a photo in last year's, but haven't seen
the book. And I haven't seen previous year's books either, so I really
have nothing to compare it to. I'd love to purchase those back
volumes, at some point, but for whatever reason - mostly financial - I
haven't made it a top priority yet.

The eBook offering, I thought, was a GREAT idea. Particularly if it
actually raises more money for the charity than a book purchase. My
original plan was to buy the eBook - because I'm impatient and it
allows me to see it in screen form now and then purchase the hard
cover version (resulting in even more moola for the charity, for each
person who plans on doing the same). It also "lowers the bar" (total
price) to being able to donate in the first place, which should result
in more people becoming buyers. Terrific idea!  We get to see it now,
to satisfy our curiosity, and still have the book version in our hands
at some point in the future.

I can also appreciate how much work it probably is to put this all
together and I think we are all very grateful to those that had a part
in it, particularly Mark, for the hours and hours that go into the
production, proof-reading, etc. along with (this year) the work of
selecting a new charity to work with.

It is with that in mind that I offer the following comments, in the
interests of (perhaps) making next year's annual better than ever. I
hope my comments are taken in the proper spirit, similar to the way we
often ask for critique on our photographs without taking undue
offense. True, Mark did not ask for such critique, which gives me
pause. I first thought about sending them to Mark off-list, but I
decided that putting it out there could allow for a bit of discussion
on the various points below. Everyone can chime in on whether they
think my thoughts are "off base" or might indeed make for a better
annual next time around. I realize that, given this group's dynamic,
there may be some (many?) that may take offense FOR Mark - but I hope
we can keep the comments constructive and discuss them somewhat
dispassionately.

Discussion point No. 1: The page format and how it effects the size of
the photos.

Since the page layout was done in landscape mode, the way the book was
designed made horizonal photographs appear much larger than vertical
photographs, which I find unfortunate for the vertical photos and the
photographers that submitted them.  I would much rather see the
photographs on "equal footing" with one another and presented in the
same size. This is easily, and attractively done by using either a
square page format, or selecting/creating a square portion of a
portrait or landscape formatted page in which to present the
photograph. (The square being, in effect, the mat for the photo.)

If you must use a rectangular page format (either vert. or horiz.)
then you could use some of the extra space beside the square image
area for the title or a colored box with a few of the funny quotes on
each page - rather than saving them for multiple pages at the end.

Discussion point No. 2: The "mats" around the photographs and how they
effect the size of the photos.

I found the majority of the mats HUGELY distracting from the
photograph itself. I understand that most, if not all, were taken from
an element of the photograph itself which was blown up to create a
color/texture, but I would argue that first and foremost the
photographs themselves should be the "stars" of the page but it seemed
more like it was "look at the neat mats". They competed for attention
with the photograph itself, in most cases and did not compliment them.
The best mats (IMHO) were the most minimalistic mats such as those on:
Christine's "My Nephew, Akira"
Frank's "Long Trip Home"
and
César's "Freeport Church"

In any event, I would rather see the photographs presented as
physically large as possible on the page, and the mat provided another
element to downsize them, which I found disappointing.

Discussion point No. 3: The edge treatments around the photographs themselves.

I don't know if this was added in the book design or if they were in
the photographs submitted by the photographers, but I found the edge
treatments again terribly distracting from the photograph itself. An
attempt to "gild the lily", as they say. (
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/gild-the-lily.html ) Less
distracting, but still unwelcome (IMHO) are the use of drop shadow or
use of the cutout treatment to make the photograph look as if it was
off the page or sunk behind the mat. You can see that I am all about
the image itself. The book standards should be no different than a
museum's display standards, for example. Mats are usually white. Or
black. But usually white. With no texture.

Discussion point No. 4: Everybody gets an image in.

This year's book is apparently the largest yet. I

Re: PESO: Red Sunset

Thanks for your comments and suggestions, Jack.

Dan

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Really well composed, Dan! You caught the sun at just the right moment.
> I like it as is, but I'd give the sailboat the slightest touch of Dodge tool 
> and, at least, consider removing the bit of rocks peeking out of the lower 
> right corner.
>
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>
>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>> Subject: PESO: Red Sunset
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 9:17 PM
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

 I'm not a "professional," and really not even a craftsman, but I
recognize a superiority complex when I see one.Defense of "the old
ways" in the name of professionalism is a fine way of looking down
one's nose at all who differ from one's own way of doing things.

Dan

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jim King  wrote:
> Jim King wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:58:35 -0700
>
>> This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will 
>> for
>> some of you as well:
>>
>>
>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
>>
>>
>> Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
>
> Lots of comments in the Leica Users Forum about Puts' post: 
> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/176273-new-blog-entry-erwin-puts.html
>
> Many of them have the same criticism of his writing/composing style as the 
> posts here.  I hope that his thoughts will not get lost in the criticism of 
> his style; his arguments for the "old ways" are worth considering, and some 
> of his criticism of our digital era are on target IMO.
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

I appreciate that the old film cameras had a longer lifespan than the
digital ones.  The problem is that for many of us color was a thing
left to the labs, whereas B&W was a medium were we could do some PP.
Now color is there as well.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jim King  wrote:
> Jim King wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:58:35 -0700
>
>> This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will 
>> for
>> some of you as well:
>>
>>
>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
>>
>>
>> Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
>
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> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/176273-new-blog-entry-erwin-puts.html
>
> Many of them have the same criticism of his writing/composing style as the 
> posts here.  I hope that his thoughts will not get lost in the criticism of 
> his style; his arguments for the "old ways" are worth considering, and some 
> of his criticism of our digital era are on target IMO.
>
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread Jim King

Jim King wrote on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:58:35 -0700

> This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will 
> for 
> some of you as well:
> 
> 
> http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
> 
> 
> Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...

Lots of comments in the Leica Users Forum about Puts' post: 
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/176273-new-blog-entry-erwin-puts.html

Many of them have the same criticism of his writing/composing style as the 
posts here.  I hope that his thoughts will not get lost in the criticism of his 
style; his arguments for the "old ways" are worth considering, and some of his 
criticism of our digital era are on target IMO.

Regards, Jim

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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Igor Roshchin

I don't quite remember how old I was (most likely between 10 and 12),
when I was given a "Smena-7".
It looked like this guy's:
http://www.nightphoto.com/smena7.html

I was happy to use my older brother's Fed-2:
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/FED_2
on a few occasions (like my brother's wedding).

My second camera was an SLR, Kiev-19, (with Nikon mount):
http://www.ussrphoto.com/wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=79&ParentID=1&ContentID=278
which I purchased when I was a college student in Moscow in ~1989 or 1990. 
For that camera my brother and I (we both bought that camera then)
had to wake up at or before 5pm, and to take the first subway train, to be at 
the store before its opening. That was the day when the store
was expecting the delivery of these cameras (limited quantities).
We managed to buy decent ones (the QC was not good, so the variation
in quality was huge). I've been using Kiev-19 until I got my 
Pentax ZX-5n in 1997.

Igor

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Bill Owens wrote:
> In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25
> bulbs
>
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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Charles Robinson

On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:18, Chris Sheppard wrote:

> My first was a Argus 126 plastic wonder:
> http://junkstorecameras.com/jscimages/Argus126.jpg
> 
> My first 'real' camera was a Pentax ME Super, which I still have and
> will never let go.
> 

LOVE the ME Super.  Even though I don't shoot with it anymore, I'll just keep 
it in the bag in the closet... no sense in getting rid of it.

Every once in a while I'll do something silly like put the 16-50 on there and 
look through the HUGE viewfinder.

 -Charles

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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

2011-04-13 Thread David Parsons

While it is true that the sensor may have a limited lifespan, how long
does he really expect to be using his camera?  You have to move on at
some point.

It's nostalgia speaking here.  It's hip to say that you shoot film,
and that you shot film before it was cool.  Guess what, the rest of
the world has moved on.  If he wants to shoot film, he can do that.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Jim King  wrote:
> This blog post by Erwin Puts rang a few bells for me, and I suspect it will 
> for some of you as well:
>
> http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
>
> Puts is a Leica guy but they used to say that Pentax is the Japanese Leica...
>
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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Matthew Hunt

When I was growing up, my dad was (and remains) an enthusiastic
amateur photographer. He shot Canon FD equipment; a TLb and AE-1. He
also shot weddings for a little while with a Hasselblad, but I never
touched that. I took pictures with the AE-1 now and then, like when we
were on vacation and he wanted a shot of himself with Mom. Mostly,
though, I had a succession of random cheap 35mm fixed-focus cameras
through my youth and childhood.

When I started grad school in 1998, I told my dad I was interested in
buying a SLR, and he gave me his TLb, with a few prime lenses. He kept
the AE-1 and his Vivitar Series 1 28-90 and 70-210 zooms. My favorite
lens that I got was the Vivitar Series 1 135mm f/2.3, which had a nice
close focus and beautiful bokeh. A very nice flower and portrait lens.

(The TLb is roughly a K1000-equivalent, with metered manual exposure.)

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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Darren Addy

Now THAT was funny, Bob. I think I like how your brain works.
: )

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> John Coyle
>
>
>> ... and the second was a Pentax SV.  Beautiful camera, stolen in 1975
>
> I didn't have the balls to steal mine. I had to save up for it: a little
> Agfa of some sort, bought when I was 13 or 14.
>
>> and replaced a few
>> years ago with a second-hand but much-loved and well-maintained one.
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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Morris Galloway

Voigtlander Bessamatic with a 50mm  lens.  SLR with leaf shutter. 
Learned a lot in a hurry. I was 15.


Back to Lurking.

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Re: PDML Book is live online and available for purchase

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Tim Øsleby  wrote:
> Dave. You may know this already, but you can make the links active.
> All you have to do is to click the link icon in the blogpost editor
> and paste in the link there.
>
> --
> MaritimTim

No i did not, thanks.

Dave
>
> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> 2011/4/12 David J Brooks :
>> I put something on my blog.:
>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
>> and on my facebook page
>>
>> Dave
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Re: PESO: Red Sunset

Well done.

Dave

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Re: PESO - Chilly Chess

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Chris Sheppard
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> That's exactly what I was thinking.

I second what Chris said.

Dave
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Rick Womer
>>>
>>> On a cool November afternoon in Paris:
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11943452&size=lg
>>>
>>
>> very good - it's the guy eyeballing them that makes it.
>>
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

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>>http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\
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> Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the "paragraph".

I'll do that

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Re: Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

To be fair, his arguments are not without merit.  I'm always
suspicious, however, when anyone quotes Pirsig.  Ultimately, Pirsig's
view of quality is an "I know it when I see it" argument.  It's not
wrong, just difficult to apply and even harder to adjudicate when
there is a difference of opinion.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:06 AM,   wrote:
> I had the same thought. Composition grade would drop. Ironic given the
> topic.
>
> On Apr 13, 2011 7:46am, Mark Roberts  wrote:
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>>
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Re: Re: Re: PESO - A Long time Coming...

2011-04-13 Thread Mitch Conant


 Ken:

VERY nice gallery! How did you get the black backgrounds on some of the 
photos, like the one of the leaves, and along the ridge line??? I love it.


...and yes, "ancient Chinese secret" is a valid answer ...

Mitch

On 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:


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- Original Message - From: "Mitch Conant" 
Subject: Re: Re: PESO - A Long time Coming...



 Ann:

I used to go to Vegas for a yearly networking (computer) trade show. 
The last 3 years that I went, I went on the Friday before the show. 
Arrived and went to Utah for the weekend. I stumbled on Zion the 
first year (without my cameras) but turned those weekends into photo 
excursions for the last 2. Hence, I haven't been to everything I want 
to see (Canyonlands and Arches).


What's Capitol Reef all about? As I recall, it didn't capture my 
imagination when I heard about it all those years ago ...


Well for one it doesn't have Kadak tripod hole locations & the crowds 
that go with it, so you can pretty much have the place to yourself - 
I've been there 3 times, mainly in early spring and have never been 
bothered by crowds - heck there were days in the park I never saw 
another person.




Mitch


On 1:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have a slew of 'em myself...   We might have passed each other on 
a trail here and there :-)


You didn't meniotn Canyonlands or Arches -- was that just for the 
sake of brevity?


ann

Mitchell Conant wrote:


 Ann:

Thanks for the input. I had SAMs Club convert a couple hundred 
slides that I shot in the early 90's; with my ME & MX. This was one 
of them. I'm planning to post these as GESO(s). I have photos from 
Zion, Bryce, Cedar Breaks, Kodachrome Basin and Rocky Mountain N.P.


You are right ... southern Utah is one of my FAVORITE places!

Mitch



On 1:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I particularly like the Zion shot... wonderful BW conversion...   
and - well hell, it's one of my favorite places.



The other two are certainly well done, but don't say much to me... 
too much just like an exercise in technique.


ann

Mitchell Conant wrote:

 Tried sending this last night but it never was posted to the 
list. Let's try it again...


After a long, cold winter of working on my photo album webpage 
and associated management utilities; I have a bunch of stuff from 
2010 and 2011 to post. In the near future I hope to post a couple 
of GESOs and more PESOs.


For now, here are 3 PESOs that didn't fit into any galleries, I 
guess they are just photos in my photo "shoebox"...


http://www.mme-ia.net/cgi/pdml/pdml-peso-index.php?urlyear=2011&urlphotos=20110064,20110066,20110068 
 



As usual (it goes without saying) feedback and comments would be 
appreciated.


Mitch






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Re: What was your first camera?

2011-04-13 Thread Bob Sullivan

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:>
> In 1966, I purchased a brand new Pentax Spotmatic, and my fate was sealed. A 
> year later I bought a black Spotty, a couple more M-42 lenses. Had not 
> realized that it was a mental ailment yet. And here I am. Black Spotmatic 
> with it's ƒ1.4 50mm in the drawer next to my desk. Along with the three LXen.
>
Joseph,
It's not an ailment, it's just a little peculiarity.  We all have it.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - Skyline


On 3/16/2011 21:59, frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/03/skyline.html

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/skyline-colour-version.html

I think I prefer B&W, because Parkdale is kind of a monochrome place
to me.  OTOH, some of you may enjoy the colours of the sign.


Color for me, Frank. Among other things it also helps to get a glimpse 
on the weather which, as I understand, was rather chilly on that day.


Boris

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Re: PESO: Black Cat on Frozen Lake


On 3/17/2011 09:19, Bulent Celasun wrote:

From a recent trip to easternmost Turkey.


http://500px.com/photo/437321

Bulent

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Let me join the chorus of praises of this most successful shot, even 
though I am coming late here...


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Re: OT What was your first editing program

2011-04-13 Thread AlunFoto

My first image editing software was Adobe Photoshop v4.
Jostein

2011/4/13 David J Brooks :
> Just a follow up to Bills, what was your first camera.
>
> My first photo edit program was Corel draw 5 i think it was. Just
> after my purchase of a Kodak DC25.
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Re: PESO - Chilly Chess


On 4/13/2011 10:04, Bob W wrote:

very good - it's the guy eyeballing them that makes it.

B


I second what Bob said.

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Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun

Thanks, Paul. I shot something like 45 images in the small Poppy patch and 
cropped this out of 'prox the left third of a frame. It, also, took quite a bit 
of clone tool cleanup. Could have used a vertical viewfinder attachment.

Jack

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:20 AM
> Well done. A nice perspective, and I
> like the compositional result of including that second bud.
> Paul
> 
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Chris Sheppard wrote:
> 
> > Very nice Jack.
> > 
> > Spring is in the air: bring on the flower pics!
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> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> >> Forgive the "creative" spelling.(?)
> >> 
> >> Comments?
> >> 
> >> Jack
> >> 
> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=587
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Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun

Thanks, Chris! After a record setting wet winter and spring, we're seeing a 
desperate and photo challenging growth race between the wildflowers and weeds.

Jack

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> From: Chris Sheppard 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun
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> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:54 AM
> Very nice Jack.
> 
> Spring is in the air: bring on the flower pics!
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> >
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> > Jack
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Re: Where's Bruce Dayton


On 4/11/2011 22:41, Rick Womer wrote:

He's alive, well, preoccupied with earning a living, and enjoying his new K5.

Rick

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Thanks, Rick!

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Re: PESO: Red Sunset

Really well composed, Dan! You caught the sun at just the right moment.
I like it as is, but I'd give the sailboat the slightest touch of Dodge tool 
and, at least, consider removing the bit of rocks peeking out of the lower 
right corner.


Jack

--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> Subject: PESO: Red Sunset
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 9:17 PM
> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=79
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Re: What was your first camera?

This stupid thread might cost me money.  I got curious, looked for
pictures of the Duaflex on the web, and found then on eBay for $22.

http://tinyurl.com/3kww67e

It could sit proudly on my shelf.  ;-)

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Chris Sheppard
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> My first was a Argus 126 plastic wonder:
> http://junkstorecameras.com/jscimages/Argus126.jpg
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>> In my case, it was a Brownie Hawkeye with flash that used Press 25 bulbs
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Re: Some thought on Craftsmanship vs. Professionalism

>http://www.imx.nl/photo/page152/page152.html\

Someone needs to introduce that guy to the concept of the "paragraph".

 
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Re: PESO: Poppy and Sun

2011-04-13 Thread Paul Stenquist

Well done. A nice perspective, and I like the compositional result of including 
that second bud.
Paul

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> Very nice Jack.
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>> Forgive the "creative" spelling.(?)
>> 
>> Comments?
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Re: What was your first camera?

My first was a Argus 126 plastic wonder:
http://junkstorecameras.com/jscimages/Argus126.jpg

My first 'real' camera was a Pentax ME Super, which I still have and
will never let go.

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Re: PESO - Chilly Chess

That's exactly what I was thinking.

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Rick Womer
>>
>> On a cool November afternoon in Paris:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11943452&size=lg
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> very good - it's the guy eyeballing them that makes it.
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