Re: OT: Christchurch central rebuild plan

2012-07-31 Thread David Mann
Thanks for your comments, Walt.  I wasn't sure if you'd be able to see the 
video from overseas.

I read an article on the Daily Mail site as well which offers an outside view 
and some good stills from the video.  Note the caption on the last photo is 
wrong... the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament is the Catholic one, not the 
Anglican one in the photo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180971/Christchurch--ashes-Convention-centre-stadium-theatre-complex-planned.html

So far there's been surprisingly little whingeing so the plan must be pretty 
good.

Dave

On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

 David, thanks for posting. I found the video interesting, even
 inspiring. I barely recognized some of the central city locations
 other than the river near Hagley Park and the area near the old
 cathedral.  I hope I live long enough that a good portion of the
 rebuilding will come to be and my wife and I could possibly make a
 return trip someday!!
 Good luck to all.
 
 Walt
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:25 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 The authorities have just released their rebuild plan for the central city.  
 I've not studied it in any detail - just watched the video.  My first 
 impression is one of excitement but I'm sure the devil will be in the 
 details ;)
 
 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7378437/Rebuild-plan-for-Christchurch-unveiled
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Spousal Parking

2012-07-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

 It's next door to the Cathedral, and the building may have been the rectory 
 at one point.

So it's not in London's equivalent of the Castro?

 

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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 30/7/12, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

I really enjoyed watching these, Cotty.  You can turn a
run-of-the-mill subject into entertainment.  I wish I had that
mindset.  In wanting to only produce something of 'great consequence'
or 'Art, I frequently either never get anything started, or let
entertaining scenes like this go begging.  Bravo, Sir.

You are too kind.

But it comes a lot easier after doing it for a quarter of a century!

(but that doesn't necessarily hold true - after half a century life
itself doesn't get any easier!!)

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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Boris Liberman

And then one hits the three quarters milestone... :-)


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On July 31, 2012 12:28:35 PM Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

On 30/7/12, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

I really enjoyed watching these, Cotty.  You can turn a
run-of-the-mill subject into entertainment.  I wish I had that
mindset.  In wanting to only produce something of 'great consequence'
or 'Art, I frequently either never get anything started, or let
entertaining scenes like this go begging.  Bravo, Sir.

You are too kind.

But it comes a lot easier after doing it for a quarter of a century!

(but that doesn't necessarily hold true - after half a century life
itself doesn't get any easier!!)

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Re: PESO - Hard Rain

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 28/7/12, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

I think this should hae been my August PUG submission, but alas, it's
already in.

In any event, I went to the beach a couple of weekends ago. It rained:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/07/hard-rain.html

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Re: PESO - Shopping

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting knarftheria...@gmail.com:


I took one photo this weekend. This is it.

Feeling very Derbyesque, I guess:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/07/shopping.html?m=1





Very nice.

In every way.



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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com:


Hi all!

I haven't done much photography in a while as it's been just too  
damned hot to get out with the camera for the past month.




Well my excuse is that it's too damned cold to get out with the camera.

It's a wonder that either of us get to do any shooting



Saturday,
though, was *relatively* nice as it only got up to about 91F with a  
breeze. As it happens, a bunch of my high school classmates gathered  
at a nearby home and I was able to get the night off from work to  
attend the festivities. I took a few pictures, but they were the  
typical sort of house party photos you see splattered all over  
Facebook.


There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate.  
This is the girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school  
days, holding the Storm Trooper helmet he made years ago.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100




Well done - nice tone to that.


Cheers

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I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has  
some of the greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as  
someone who's not particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was  
pretty hot. But, inasmuch as she was my buddy's date, I didn't feel  
comfortable asking her to show me all the artwork on her body.






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Re: PESO: The Dark Side

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:


From the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195016




That's just bizarre

But well caught and shot - and as Ken says the other balloon to the  
lower right adds balance to the composition.




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Interesting dilemmas

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Jordan
Great story that set me thinking - what would I have done in the same situation.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2012/jul/28/bystanders-photographers-who-didnt-help?INTCMP=SRCH


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Re: PESO: The Dark Side

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Brian
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:

 From the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195016




 That's just bizarre

 But well caught and shot - and as Ken says the other balloon to the lower
 right adds balance to the composition.



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? on M28/2.8

2012-07-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I've a chance to acquire one M28/2.8.
Must certainly be the latter version.
Looks like the A design (bevel on front edge)
but no A settings or connections.
The pics don't give me enough info, but
the coatings look like the cool blue of the A
rather than the amber of the M.

Correct?

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PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

Comments are appreciated.

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RE: OT - Backups Cockups, Netbooks MyBooks, Hard Drives , Dryers

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms
This is such a heart-warming story for me. It makes me glad knowing that 
I'm not the only person on earth that computers hate.


I will never buy another Western digital hard-drive, and especially 
never another MyBook.


Several years ago, I bought a couple of MyBook drives (340GB  500GB) 
because they seemed to be really inexpensive. I found out instead that 
they're just really CHEAP (Of poor quality; inferior; Worthy of no 
respect; vulgar or contemptible). There just don't seem to be enough 
low, vulgar synonyms for *PIECE OF SHIT* to describe MyBook power supplies.


The only positive thing I can say about them is Windoze-XP didn't seem 
to have any problem blowing away the pre-installed CRAPWARE.


I wish I had an answer for making folders sharable in Vista, but the 
only Vista computer I have has only one shared folder  all of the 
contents/sub-folders were auto-magically shared as well.


From: Anthony Farr


Backups, to me, originally meant CDs, then DVDs.  But doubts were
raised about the permanence of optical media, and my backup load was
too large to periodically refresh everything, so I moved to hard
drives.  A couple of years ago I saw a product called Clickfree
Automatic Backup, which is a small device placed in the usb cable
between a computer on a wifi network and an external hard drive.  With
a little bit of software running on each computer in the network,
they'd all be periodically backed up with no attention required.
Great!  And in all honesty it worked a treat.  My son and I had all
our data secured across 3 computers.

But... and there's always a 'but', isn't there, the time came when my
500GB drive wasn't a big enough repository, so I got a 1TB WD MyBook,
and my troubles began.  Although there was nothing wrong with the
MyBook, it had its own backup software, didn't it.  No worries, thinks
I, I'll just delete it from the drive.  I don't want it, didn't ask
for it and won't ever use it, so why not?  The answer to 'why not?'
was that WD had put the backup software on a fixed partition, and all
my subsequent research on forum after forum informed me that the
partition resists every attempt at deletion or reformatting.
Bastards!

Never mind, thinks I, I'll just ignore it.

But... a week or two after the MyBook went into service I noticed that
backups had ceased to occur on schedule.  Then I noticed that the
Clickfree icon in 'My Computer' had gone plain, when it should appear
as a logo.  Uh oh.  Looking into it I found that the device, which
came filled with installation files and firmware and such, was empty.
The Clickfree help desk was great, I couldn't ask for better.  They
gave me a link to download the files needed to reflash the firmware,
but to no avail.  Then they emailed the files to me to ensure that I
had uncorrupted copies of them.  Still no success.  So without any
hesitation they sent me a new device.  And that's where the Clickfree
story ends for the moment, because it seemed to me that the MyBook had
killed the Clickfree, and I wasn't about to give it a second chance.

Now I was back to doing manual backups.  No way was I going to use the
WD backup software.  I would plug the Mybook into my netbook computer
and send to it, over my home network, the new files and changes from
each computer .  Even at 54Mb/sec it was quicker than doing a disk to
disk copy on one computer, because the source computer only had to
read the filefrom its disk, and the destination computer only had to
write the fileto its disk.  Doing the job on one computer leads to a
lot of disk swapping and appallingly slow copy and paste times.  It
was a perfect solution until about two months ago when I took the
netbook on a long car trip.  At the end of the journey I found that
I'd forgotten to shut it down, it was only on standby which doesn't
safely park the hard drive's read/write heads.  Soon afterwards it
developed the faintest of clicks.  Soon after that it crashed and has
been out of service since.  My backup strategy had been derailed.

Fast forward to last week.  It was cold, so our heaters were cranked
up to full power.  It was a wet, grey day so the family was inside
using televisions and Nintendo Wiis and computers and all the
accessories that go with those things.  The kettle was on to brew a
pot of tea.  The washing machine was in mid-load.  Then... my dear
wife, who knew not what she was about to do, started the clothes
dryer.  Everything went very quiet for half a second, then our son
complained about 'unsaved progress', but no harm was done, or so I
thought.

I was wrong.  The external hard drive on my computer, where I keep my
documents because they're safer there than in a laptop's internal
drive, was gone from the drive list in 'My Computer'.  The unexpected
shutdown had prematurely ended its life, and I'd lost all my new files
and changes of the last two months, because I hadn't put a new backup
process into place.  The only positive spin I can put on it is that
I've been in a 

Re: Interesting dilemmas

2012-07-31 Thread Underpaid N. Overpentaxed
One has no way of knowing. I intervened once when in Cologne four
rather tall and massive ticket inspectors were beating up a scrawny
5'6 African guy who only spoke French, didn't understand them and got
scared when they cornered him so he raised his hands (literally,
nothing more) to keep them away from himself. One lifted him by the
throat, carried him out of the streetcar and threw him into one of
those small waiting huts where they proceeded to beat him up as a
group.

They were later sentenced to six months on parole plus 4.600 DEM, i.e.
90 days' worth of salary after tax for the initial aggressor and half
that for the other three. I was proud that I had helped.

I'd like to think I'd give my life if it would let my son live a
minute longer; at least I feel that way. I'd also like to think o
fmyself that I would take a chance to help someone else. But you never
really know until you're in the situation because it is one beyond
your imagination. And I know for sure that cops committing an act of
brutality will only extend it to include you when you try to interfere
with them. I've seen it happen too often. So for that instance, I know
I'd take as many pictures as possible, try to put together a credible
witness's account of my memories and go to the proper authorities
without further ado.

My 2c...

Cheers
Ecke

2012/7/31, Peter Jordan pjp...@btinternet.com:
 Great story that set me thinking - what would I have done in the same
 situation.


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2012/jul/28/bystanders-photographers-who-didnt-help?INTCMP=SRCH


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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
Well done, Dan


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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Bruce Walker
Beautiful, Dan. That really conveys the peaceful soaring nature of
ballooning to me.

Just curious: what lens?


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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Bruce Walker
That's just too cool, Cotty. Did you stick that thing onto a pole of
some sort to get those wheelbarrow following shots, like when the PoV
zooms way overhead?

I'm going to try and convince my wife we need one of these. She's into
making short films and docs and we just spent most of the weekend at
the Mississauga Indie Film Fest, so her imagination will be racing and
this would be the perfect time! :-)


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 A few shots from my new GoPro. Lawn-mowing and cycling content. The
 former judders a bit as I had the camera on NTSC oops! Converted quick
 and dirty. The cycling is PAL but all this of no consequence as web
 video is viewable anywhere...

 https://vimeo.com/user2607591/review/46188061/6771783691




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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread mike wilson

On 30/07/2012 20:19, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Hi all!

I haven't done much photography in a while as it's been just too damned
hot to get out with the camera for the past month. Saturday, though, was
*relatively* nice as it only got up to about 91F with a breeze. As it
happens, a bunch of my high school classmates gathered at a nearby home
and I was able to get the night off from work to attend the festivities.
I took a few pictures, but they were the typical sort of house party
photos you see splattered all over Facebook.

There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate. This
is the girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school days,
holding the Storm Trooper helmet he made years ago.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100

I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has some of
the greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as someone who's
not particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was pretty hot. But,
inasmuch as she was my buddy's date, I didn't feel comfortable asking
her to show me all the artwork on her body.


I would have been utterly unable to resist titling it Kiss the helmet, 
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Re: OT: Christchurch central rebuild plan

2012-07-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
I enjoyed watching the video and applaud the efforts to rebuild.
We would like to visit New Zealand and especially Christchurch again some day.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for your comments, Walt.  I wasn't sure if you'd be able to see the 
 video from overseas.

 I read an article on the Daily Mail site as well which offers an outside view 
 and some good stills from the video.  Note the caption on the last photo is 
 wrong... the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament is the Catholic one, not the 
 Anglican one in the photo.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180971/Christchurch--ashes-Convention-centre-stadium-theatre-complex-planned.html

 So far there's been surprisingly little whingeing so the plan must be pretty 
 good.

 Dave

 On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

 David, thanks for posting. I found the video interesting, even
 inspiring. I barely recognized some of the central city locations
 other than the river near Hagley Park and the area near the old
 cathedral.  I hope I live long enough that a good portion of the
 rebuilding will come to be and my wife and I could possibly make a
 return trip someday!!
 Good luck to all.

 Walt


 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:25 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 The authorities have just released their rebuild plan for the central city. 
  I've not studied it in any detail - just watched the video.  My first 
 impression is one of excitement but I'm sure the devil will be in the 
 details ;)

 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7378437/Rebuild-plan-for-Christchurch-unveiled

 Cheers,
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Re: ? on M28/2.8

2012-07-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Check Boz's site, but the bevel on the front edge is your key.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Collin Brendemuehl
coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 I've a chance to acquire one M28/2.8.
 Must certainly be the latter version.
 Looks like the A design (bevel on front edge)
 but no A settings or connections.
 The pics don't give me enough info, but
 the coatings look like the cool blue of the A
 rather than the amber of the M.

 Correct?

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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan, Good shot.  Especially colorful baloons.  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/30/2012 11:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


Hi all!

I haven't done much photography in a while as it's been just too damned hot to 
get out with the camera for the past month. Saturday, though, was *relatively* 
nice as it only got up to about 91F with a breeze. As it happens, a bunch of my 
high school classmates gathered at a nearby home and I was able to get the 
night off from work to attend the festivities. I took a few pictures, but they 
were the typical sort of house party photos you see splattered all over 
Facebook.

There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate. This is the 
girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school days, holding the Storm 
Trooper helmet he made years ago.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100

You are indeed very good at baiting.  And not a bad photographer either.
Thanks, Larry. I knew you'd appreciate that shot. If I had subject 
matter like that to shoot all the time, I'd be a much better photographer.



I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has some of the 
greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as someone who's not 
particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was pretty hot. But, inasmuch as she 
was my buddy's date, I didn't feel comfortable asking her to show me all the 
artwork on her body.

Methinks her body qualifies as artwork on its own.
She is quite nice to behold. I'm going to have to stay in touch with my 
buddy who's dating her to see about doing more photos.



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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/31/2012 5:55 AM, Brian Walters wrote:


Quoting Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com:


Hi all!

I haven't done much photography in a while as it's been just too 
damned hot to get out with the camera for the past month.




Well my excuse is that it's too damned cold to get out with the camera.

It's a wonder that either of us get to do any shooting


Yeah, I use the same excuse when it's winter up here, too. Though, I do 
manage to drag it out whenever we have a decent snowfall. But, when it's 
just a plain, cold, nondescript day, for some reason, the camera just 
doesn't feel like getting out of the house.




Saturday,
though, was *relatively* nice as it only got up to about 91F with a 
breeze. As it happens, a bunch of my high school classmates gathered 
at a nearby home and I was able to get the night off from work to 
attend the festivities. I took a few pictures, but they were the 
typical sort of house party photos you see splattered all over Facebook.


There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate. 
This is the girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school 
days, holding the Storm Trooper helmet he made years ago.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100




Well done - nice tone to that.
Thanks, Brian. I just converted it to b/w and slid the color-temperature 
slider in Picasa just a smidge over to the cool side. I like the look of 
silver gelatin and try to replicate it, but it's hard to get it just 
right without an example right in front of me to reference.





Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/





I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has some 
of the greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as someone 
who's not particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was pretty hot. 
But, inasmuch as she was my buddy's date, I didn't feel comfortable 
asking her to show me all the artwork on her body.









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Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele


http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium

I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my 
best dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter

This one worked pretty well, though

I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of 
you before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)


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Re: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Boris Liberman

It says a password is required to view the pictures... :-(


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On July 31, 2012 6:40:50 PM Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium

I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my
best dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter
This one worked pretty well, though

I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of
you before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)

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Re: PESO - Spousal Parking

2012-07-31 Thread Don Guthrie
Rick, I showed the picture to my wife and she thought it was hilarious 
but I don't know why. Great picture though.









On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote:


It's next door to the Cathedral, and the building may have been the rectory at 
one point.


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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/31/2012 8:22 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 30/07/2012 20:19, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Hi all!

I haven't done much photography in a while as it's been just too damned
hot to get out with the camera for the past month. Saturday, though, was
*relatively* nice as it only got up to about 91F with a breeze. As it
happens, a bunch of my high school classmates gathered at a nearby home
and I was able to get the night off from work to attend the festivities.
I took a few pictures, but they were the typical sort of house party
photos you see splattered all over Facebook.

There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate. This
is the girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school days,
holding the Storm Trooper helmet he made years ago.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100

I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has some of
the greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as someone who's
not particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was pretty hot. But,
inasmuch as she was my buddy's date, I didn't feel comfortable asking
her to show me all the artwork on her body.


I would have been utterly unable to resist titling it Kiss the 
helmet, darling.



Heh. If I'd been a little more quick-witted, I'd have said it when I 
took the photo.


-- Walt

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PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Tim Bray
I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4

Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE

-T

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Bikers w/o engines

2012-07-31 Thread Don Guthrie
Every year thousands of bike riders gather to ride across Iowa in one 
week. Here's two of them who really got up to speed


http://donspix.posterous.com/1-bike-riders-went-across-iowa-last-week#!/

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PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Tim Bray
Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: http://goo.gl/pBLFx

These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
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hand-hold.   Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's a very effective balloon shot.  Patriotism aside, that a
beautifully done balloon.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dan, Good shot.  Especially colorful baloons.  Regards,  Bob S.

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

 Comments are appreciated.

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread William Robb

On 31/07/2012 10:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4


You need to learn about how to attach things from underneath.
Pretty wood though.

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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread P. J. Alling

On 7/30/2012 4:39 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

On 7/30/2012 2:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com 
wrote:
There was one shot, though, that I thought Larry would appreciate. 
This is
the girlfriend of one of my oldest buddies from my school days, 
holding the

Storm Trooper helmet he made years ago.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/7678227568/
K20D, SMC-F 35-135/3.5-4.5, ISO 800, 1/100

Nice. Has a bit of a 1950's Terry O'Neill vibe to it.
Thanks, Bruce! I'm sure it's a very, very, teeny-tiny bit of a vibe, 
but I'll take it.





I wanted to take more photos of the woman in question as she has 
some of
the greatest tattoos I've ever seen -- and I say that as someone 
who's not
particularly into the ink scene. Also, she was pretty hot. But, 
inasmuch as
she was my buddy's date, I didn't feel comfortable asking her to 
show me all

the artwork on her body.

And you call yourself a photographer. Sheesh. :-)
Well, I wouldn't call myself a photographer just yet. I'm not sure I 
ever will with any sense of confidence. But, I do enjoy taking photos 
of the ladies.


-- Walt


You can substitute an expensive looking camera and chutzpah.






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Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a 
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RE: Interesting dilemmas

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Peter Jordan


Great story that set me thinking - what would I have done in the same situation.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2012/jul/28/bystanders-photographers-who-didnt-help?INTCMP=SRCH


Peter


Indeed. But for at least a couple of the images, I have to wonder if the 
photos may have been the only way the photographer could effectively 
intervene?




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Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert
Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area 
managed to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer 
thunderstorm, though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D 
Super with the 50/1.7 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The 
landscapes were all taken with the K100. The other image, taken with the 
K20, doesn't *quite* fit into the set, but I threw it in anyway because 
it's a picture of mammatus clouds, and I think they're cool.


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

Comments  suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
I've hurled many times on St. Patricks Day.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 31 July 2012 05:52, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of
 Irishmen clubs and
 have them play field hockey?'

 He'd obviously never seen Hurling.
 regards, Anthony

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Re: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
I like your choice of showing the table edge (upper left corner). It breaks the 
tension and incites the curiosity.  
Don't know if Dr Phil would agree, but
Sounds seriously good!

J. ;-)

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic


http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium

I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my best 
dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter
This one worked pretty well, though

I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of you 
before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)

ann

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
I'm impressed! Looks photogenic and substantial.

Jack Davis
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From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: PESO: New cedar table

I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4

Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE

-T

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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
Nice back lighting! 
What created the large black background?

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: PESO: Pretty boat

Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: http://goo.gl/pBLFx

These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
something to be said for a long-ish tele that’s light enough to
hand-hold.  Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:17 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course, hockey - I mean ice hockey - is huge here. When I was a kid it 
 was cold enough that we played organized hockey at outdoor rink with natural 
 ice. I don't think I played in an arena with artificial ice until my third 
 season for a playoff game.
 
 When we weren't playing organized hockey we played pickup games or shinny 
 (as scrub is to baseball) on backyard rinks.
 
 I didn't even know there was field hockey or grass hockey until I was about 
 ten years old. I seem to recall during an Olympic Games (likely Mexico in 
 '68) hearing them talk of hockey, and my father explaining that in much of 
 the world hockey (no modifier) was on grass and ice hockey was what we 
 played.

I decided to look up hockey in wikipedia and see which is older and was 
surprised by the range of games called hockey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey

Some years back I learned snorkeling in my attempt to play underwater hockey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey



 
 We feel that any game where a backhand shot is illegal, where there's no 
 bodychecking and where there are no fist fights couldn't possibly be hockey 
 as we know it. Besides, there were no guys named Jean-Guy, Jacques or Henri. 
 Whatever they were playing on that big green field wasn't anything we were 
 familiar with!
 
 Mind you this was a time when there were exactly two American players in the 
 entire National Hockey League; all the rest were Canadian. It would be 
 another fifteen years before the first Europeans came here to play in the 
 premier professional league in the world. And when the first Russians came 
 here they had to defect, just like ballet dancers.
 
 With ice hockey so popular outside our borders these days, it's easy to 
 forget that up to a couple of decades ago it really was a largely North 
 American thing.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
 What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
 Christopher Hitchens
 
 --- Original Message ---
 
 From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com
 Sent: July 29, 2012 7/29/12
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012
 
 On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the
 third world and girl's prep schools.  I was thinking mostly of North
 America, Europe and Russia.
 
 Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to support a
 sport that is alien to its its climate, which requires artificial
 rinks with powerful refrigeration to overcome relatively high ambient
 temperatures even in winter.  But you call many of these nations
 third world at the risk of being labeled a cultural imperialist.
 
 Hockey is massive in the Asian sub-continent, and is strongly
 entrenched in Western Europe.  Naturally, ice hockey is more strongly
 followed in Northern and Eastern Europe and North America, where the
 culture of snow and ice sports is strongest, and barely represented in
 Central Africa, Equatorial America and South East Asia where there is
 practically no culture of winter at all.  But the people who follow
 these sports are equal citizens of the world, and are due absolutely
 no more or less consideration or respect because of their homelands'
 place in the world or the hue of their flesh.  Shame on anyone who
 would think otherwise.
 
 regards, Anthony
 
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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Tim Bray
A steep wooded slope; if you look close you can see tree trunks. -T

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Nice back lighting!
 What created the large black background?

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 From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:22 AM
 Subject: PESO: Pretty boat

 Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

 There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: 
 http://goo.gl/pBLFx

 These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
 something to be said for a long-ish tele that’s light enough to
 hand-hold.  Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
The picture of the sailboat has a wonderful mood. 
The wine, in moderate amounts, may help to hold the 400mm steady. :-)
Jostein

Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative:
http://goo.gl/pBLFx

These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
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the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: PESO: Larry Bait

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert



You can substitute an expensive looking camera and chutzpah.


Yeah, I really do need to work on that whole chutzpah thing.

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
That's far better than anything I could have built! Respect.
Jostein

Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4

Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE

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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Rick Womer
Tim, that backlit schooner is very nice indeed.  One might brighten the 
background just a touch.

Rick
 
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Subject: PESO: Pretty boat

Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: http://goo.gl/pBLFx

These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
something to be said for a long-ish tele that’s light enough to
hand-hold.   Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
It looks to be adequately overbuilt.  I wouldn't rebuild a merlin on it, but it 
should be fine for a Mopar 440.


On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

 I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
 normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
 unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
 cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4
 
 Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE
 
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RE: PESO hors d'oerves

2012-07-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Larry Colen
 
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:21 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hope they cook better than they spell.
 
  Wait: Doritos is cooking?
 
 The French must have a word for crispy fried thin patties of corn
 

D'oriteaux

B

 
 
  ;-)
 
 besides, they're probably even vegan.
 
 
  Fun catch Larry.
 
 Thanks
 
 
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re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Don Guthrie
It's a great life if you don't weaken. I like the last one where the sun 
has gone over the yardarm.






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Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: http://goo.gl/pBLFx

These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There?s really
something to be said for a long-ish tele that?s light enough to
hand-hold.   Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it?s really not terrible at all. -T


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Re: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele

go back I took it out


On 7/31/2012 11:46, Boris Liberman wrote:

It says a password is required to view the pictures... :-(


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On July 31, 2012 6:40:50 PM Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium


I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my
best dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter
This one worked pretty well, though

I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of
you before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)

ann

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Re: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks for telling me - I can't see the table edge...
I'm making some of the soup now tho

ann

On 7/31/2012 13:28, Jack Davis wrote:

I like your choice of showing the table edge (upper left corner). It breaks the 
tension and incites the curiosity.
Don't know if Dr Phil would agree, but
Sounds seriously good!

J. ;-)

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http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium

I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my best 
dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter
This one worked pretty well, though

I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of you 
before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)

ann

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Re: 40 MP Shootout with English Translation

2012-07-31 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:20:49AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 
  I'm really glad they published this. I was just about to pull the
  trigger on that Nokia, but now I'm reconsidering. -- said by no-one,
  ever.
  
  Next up: sprinter Ivet Lalova versus a mollusk. Well, they're both
  carbon-based lifeforms, eh?
 
 Which one goes better with a crisp chardonay?

Your wife - does she go?  (Nudge, nudge.  Wink, wink.)


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RE: ? on M28/2.8

2012-07-31 Thread J.C. O'Connell
be careful, Ive seen quite a few smcm 28/2.8 lenses with
sluggish aperture motion.

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J.C.O'Connell
hifis...@gate.net
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Collin Brendemuehl
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 7:59 AM
To: pdml
Subject: ? on M28/2.8

I've a chance to acquire one M28/2.8.
Must certainly be the latter version.
Looks like the A design (bevel on front edge)
but no A settings or connections.
The pics don't give me enough info, but
the coatings look like the cool blue of the A
rather than the amber of the M.

Correct?

Sincerely, 

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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 31/7/12, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

That's just too cool, Cotty. Did you stick that thing onto a pole of
some sort to get those wheelbarrow following shots, like when the PoV
zooms way overhead?

I'm going to try and convince my wife we need one of these. She's into
making short films and docs and we just spent most of the weekend at
the Mississauga Indie Film Fest, so her imagination will be racing and
this would be the perfect time! :-)

I have one of these:

http://www.b-hague.co.uk/hague_handyjib_k1.htm

which I slightly modified (of course!!) to make the wheel ratio 1:1.

Will be using it tomorrow filming a 'speed recruitment' session for a
business club meeting as part of a series about youngsters trying to get
work. It adds extra dynamic angles for shots in an otherwise boring
situation...

Thanks for the kind words.

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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 31/7/12, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed:

Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

A gaff-rigged schooner. V nice :-)

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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I like the 3rd one down the best...
and i like the mammatus clouds - except when I see them up close and 
personal.  scary.


ann

On 7/31/2012 13:12, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area
managed to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer
thunderstorm, though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D
Super with the 50/1.7 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The
landscapes were all taken with the K100. The other image, taken with the
K20, doesn't *quite* fit into the set, but I threw it in anyway because
it's a picture of mammatus clouds, and I think they're cool.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

Comments  suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: 40 MP Shootout with English Translation

2012-07-31 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:20:49AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 
  I'm really glad they published this. I was just about to pull the
  trigger on that Nokia, but now I'm reconsidering. -- said by no-one,
  ever.
  
  Next up: sprinter Ivet Lalova versus a mollusk. Well, they're both
  carbon-based lifeforms, eh?
 
 Which one goes better with a crisp chardonay?

Your wife - does she go?  (Nudge, nudge.  Wink, wink.)

Does she like PHOTOGRAPHY?
 
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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 31/7/12, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

That's just too cool, Cotty. Did you stick that thing onto a pole of
some sort to get those wheelbarrow following shots, like when the PoV
zooms way overhead?

I'm going to try and convince my wife we need one of these. She's into
making short films and docs and we just spent most of the weekend at
the Mississauga Indie Film Fest, so her imagination will be racing and
this would be the perfect time! :-)

 I have one of these:

 http://www.b-hague.co.uk/hague_handyjib_k1.htm

 which I slightly modified (of course!!) to make the wheel ratio 1:1.

 Will be using it tomorrow filming a 'speed recruitment' session for a
 business club meeting as part of a series about youngsters trying to get
 work. It adds extra dynamic angles for shots in an otherwise boring
 situation...

 Thanks for the kind words.

Whoa! That Handy-jib gadget is very nifty.

No wonder you are into this: a whole 'nother world of stuff to drool
and obsess over.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thanks, Ann. If I had to pick, I think it would be the one just above it.

As for the mammatus clouds, I've managed to capture them a couple of 
times. Unfortunately, they've not been as well-defined as some of the 
really spectacular ones I've seen. But, you're right; they do seem to 
accompany some pretty nasty storms. We just lucked out this time.


-- Walt

On 7/31/2012 2:55 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I like the 3rd one down the best...
and i like the mammatus clouds - except when I see them up close and 
personal.  scary.


ann

On 7/31/2012 13:12, Walt Gilbert wrote:

Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area
managed to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer
thunderstorm, though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D
Super with the 50/1.7 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The
landscapes were all taken with the K100. The other image, taken with the
K20, doesn't *quite* fit into the set, but I threw it in anyway because
it's a picture of mammatus clouds, and I think they're cool.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

Comments  suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Beautiful shot. Stunning work by the maker of those balloons.

Paul
On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157
 
 Comments are appreciated.
 
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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/31/2012 7:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

Comments are appreciated.

Dan Matyola
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That's a great shot, Dan! Wonderful colors, nice and sharp, and a great 
subject.


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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Joseph McAllister
I like. I'm a sucker for atmospherics. Took a boatload one day in Phoenix in 
March. I'll share when I get a chance.

When the room darkens, always grab a camera (or two) and rush outdoors. It's 
either a storm, or a very large asteroid. In either case, good photos are ready 
to be made.


On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:12 , Walt Gilbert wrote:

 Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area managed 
 to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer thunderstorm, 
 though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D Super with the 50/1.7 
 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The landscapes were all taken with the 
 K100. The other image, taken with the K20, doesn't *quite* fit into the set, 
 but I threw it in anyway because it's a picture of mammatus clouds, and I 
 think they're cool.
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/
 
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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Walt Gilbert wrote:

As for the mammatus clouds, I've managed to capture them a couple of 
times.

We had some at GFM last year:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2011/7db02635.html
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2011/7db02643.html

 
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Test

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
I have a few messages that have not shown on the list, but are included in the 
archives. (?)
 
Jack

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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/31/2012 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Walt Gilbert wrote:


As for the mammatus clouds, I've managed to capture them a couple of
times.

We had some at GFM last year:
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2011/7db02635.html
http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/gfm2011/7db02643.html

  

Oh, man, those are beautiful, Mark!

But, tell me this much: How the hell do you catch mammatus clouds at the 
*golden hour*


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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks, Joseph. I've been a dilettante weather nerd for years, so I 
can't wait to get the cameras out when there's severe weather in the area.


Anxious to see what you got in Phoenix. I'm a sucker for that kind of 
thing, too.


-- Walt

On 7/31/2012 3:21 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

I like. I'm a sucker for atmospherics. Took a boatload one day in Phoenix in 
March. I'll share when I get a chance.

When the room darkens, always grab a camera (or two) and rush outdoors. It's 
either a storm, or a very large asteroid. In either case, good photos are ready 
to be made.


On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:12 , Walt Gilbert wrote:


Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area managed 
to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer thunderstorm, 
though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D Super with the 50/1.7 
and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The landscapes were all taken with the 
K100. The other image, taken with the K20, doesn't *quite* fit into the set, 
but I threw it in anyway because it's a picture of mammatus clouds, and I think 
they're cool.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

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Re: Test

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I received this message through the PDML.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I have a few messages that have not shown on the list, but are included in 
 the archives. (?)

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Kenneth Waller
very nice looking! You should be proud of it.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
Subject: PESO: New cedar table

I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4

Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE

-T


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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like the third image best, mostly because of the light reflecting on
the right side of the roof.  The first two are also very nice;  the
fourth seems barren without something to give contrast to the clouds.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area
 managed to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer
 thunderstorm, though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D Super
 with the 50/1.7 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The landscapes were
 all taken with the K100. The other image, taken with the K20, doesn't
 *quite* fit into the set, but I threw it in anyway because it's a picture of
 mammatus clouds, and I think they're cool.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

 Comments  suggestions eagerly accepted.

 Thanks!

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
fine work!
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
 normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
 unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
 cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4

 Narrative, with a couple more pix: http://goo.gl/R4MIE

 -T

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Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice colorful capture. Looks like you're getting some vignetting.

-Original Message-
From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO: We the People

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

Comments are appreciated.

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Re: Mini-GESO: Storm Clouds Landscapes (4 photos)

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thanks, Dan.

I was a little handcuffed on the last shot as they were almost directly 
overhead. But, I just had to have a photo of them, since they don't come 
along every day. One of these days, I hope to get a nice shot like 
Mark's. But, then, don't we all.


-- Walt

On 7/31/2012 3:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I like the third image best, mostly because of the light reflecting on
the right side of the roof.  The first two are also very nice;  the
fourth seems barren without something to give contrast to the clouds.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

Some rough weather passed through the area the other day, but my area
managed to avoid the high winds and hail. We did get a nice summer
thunderstorm, though, and some nice, dark clouds. I grabbed the K100D Super
with the 50/1.7 and my K20D with my Promaster 70-300. The landscapes were
all taken with the K100. The other image, taken with the K20, doesn't
*quite* fit into the set, but I threw it in anyway because it's a picture of
mammatus clouds, and I think they're cool.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157630777945530/

Comments  suggestions eagerly accepted.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Lovely.  You captured the schooner perfectly, and the light is quite appealing.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

 There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: 
 http://goo.gl/pBLFx

 These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
 something to be said for a long-ish tele that’s light enough to
 hand-hold.   Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
 the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: Peso - carrot soup recipe with pic

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
A great culinary illustration, Ann!
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/WorksinProg/recipes-with-photos/6695312_SPVrJT/1/1060188476_3SPqr/Medium

 I started working on a recipe calendar but decided , on the whole, my best
 dishes are not so photogenic and I'm not such a good food shooter
 This one worked pretty well, though

 I'm about to make some for myself -  I may have shown this to some of you
 before but I have a couple of guesses about who might make some :-)

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Re: PESO hors d'oerves

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Marvelous!
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 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 The French must have a word for crispy fried thin patties of corn

 D'oriteaux

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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:45 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 31/07/2012 10:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

 I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
 normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
 unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
 cabin, and it’s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4


 You need to learn about how to attach things from underneath.
 Pretty wood though.

A shame about the screw heads, but agreed: gorgeous wood.
Countersinking and wooden plugs could be used here too. Visit Lee
Valley Tools sometime:

http://www.leevalley.com/

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PESO - Simon's kayak

2012-07-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2012/07/simons-kayak.html

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Re: Bikers w/o engines

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It takes a whole week to bike across Iowa?G

Nice pan, with a feeling of action and motion.

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:
 Every year thousands of bike riders gather to ride across Iowa in one week.
 Here's two of them who really got up to speed

 http://donspix.posterous.com/1-bike-riders-went-across-iowa-last-week#!/

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Re: PESO - Simon's kayak

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Marvelous soft colors and great choice of DoF.
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p...@alunfoto.no wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.no/2012/07/simons-kayak.html

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London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?


UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver

ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM


LONDON — A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.

Daley’s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
Olympian had hoped to win a medal “for myself and my dad.” But he
finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.

Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying “After giving it my
all...you get idiots sending me this...” and retweeted a message from
user @Rileyy69 which said: “You let your dad down i hope you know
that.”

Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
“on suspicion of malicious communications” in relation to Twitter
threats made against Daley.

Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
currently helping police with their inquiries.

In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
indecent can lead to prosecution.

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Re: PESO: Pretty boat

2012-07-31 Thread Jack Davis
I can see a hint of something, but could not have told what it was.
Thanks, Tim!

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- Original Message -
From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Pretty boat

A steep wooded slope; if you look close you can see tree trunks. -T

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Nice back lighting!
 What created the large black background?

 Jack Davis
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 http://www.photolightimages.com/


 - Original Message -
 From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:22 AM
 Subject: PESO: Pretty boat

 Two masts, four sails, sun from behind: http://goo.gl/iDw5b

 There was another boat, and the an amusing visual narrative: 
 http://goo.gl/pBLFx

 These are both with the ancient eBayed Tokina 400mm.  There’s really
 something to be said for a long-ish tele that’s light enough to
 hand-hold.  Loafing around on the deck when the light is good with
 the Tokina and a bottle of wine, it’s really not terrible at all. -T

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Re: Bikers w/o engines

2012-07-31 Thread John Francis


No - it just feels that way :-)

My brother met his wife on RAGBRAI many, many years ago.


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:08:37PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 It takes a whole week to bike across Iowa?G
 
 Nice pan, with a feeling of action and motion.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:
  Every year thousands of bike riders gather to ride across Iowa in one week.
  Here's two of them who really got up to speed
 
  http://donspix.posterous.com/1-bike-riders-went-across-iowa-last-week#!/
 
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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
Wow... 
The first thing that went through my mind was that this criminalize stupidity 
in a public space. I can't see much good coming from that. :-(

Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?


UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver

ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM


LONDON — A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.

Daley’s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
Olympian had hoped to win a medal “for myself and my dad.” But he
finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.

Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying “After giving it my
all...you get idiots sending me this...” and retweeted a message from
user @Rileyy69 which said: “You let your dad down i hope you know
that.”

Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
“on suspicion of malicious communications” in relation to Twitter
threats made against Daley.

Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
currently helping police with their inquiries.

In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
indecent can lead to prosecution.

Dan Matyola
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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Francis

As it says at the bottom of the article you quoted, tweeting messages
considered menacing, offensive or indecent can lead to prosecution.

Even in the USA, where freedom of speech is often taken to be
synonymous with freedom from any consequences of your speech
there is an exception for 'hate speech'.  There are also statutes
against cyber bullying in several jurisdictions.

Nothing is absolute. Just where the line is drawn between what is, and
what is not, acceptable behaviour varies considerably between countries.


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:15:46PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
 Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
 increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?
 
 
 UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver
 
 ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
 Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM
 
 
 LONDON ? A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
 malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
 Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.
 
 Daley?s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
 Olympian had hoped to win a medal ?for myself and my dad.? But he
 finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
 synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.
 
 Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying ?After giving it my
 all...you get idiots sending me this...? and retweeted a message from
 user @Rileyy69 which said: ?You let your dad down i hope you know
 that.?
 
 Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
 ?on suspicion of malicious communications? in relation to Twitter
 threats made against Daley.
 
 Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
 coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
 currently helping police with their inquiries.
 
 In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
 indecent can lead to prosecution.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
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Re: PESO: The Dark Side

2012-07-31 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jul 30, 2012, at 13:43 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 I had hoped to get it paired with a somewhat larger (ie closer)
 balloon, but it took so long to inflate Darth Vader that the others
 were fairly distant  by the time it got aloft -- and it didn't stay up
 very long, either.

When you spend $100,00 for a balloon vs the normal $35,000 - $65,000, you tend 
to be very careful about piloting it. Or he/she took off with almost empty 
tanks.  :-)

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RE: Test

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms

From: Jack Davis


I have a few messages that have not shown on the list, but are included in the 
archives. (?)
?
Jack



I frequently see replies to messages that I don't remember seeing the 
original message in the digests.


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Re: PESO: The Dark Side

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
True.  I have learned that the more unusual the design of the balloon,
the harder it is to keep it in the air and navigate it.  They didn't
even try to get the dinosaur balloon off the ground.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 On Jul 30, 2012, at 13:43 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 I had hoped to get it paired with a somewhat larger (ie closer)
 balloon, but it took so long to inflate Darth Vader that the others
 were fairly distant  by the time it got aloft -- and it didn't stay up
 very long, either.

 When you spend $100,00 for a balloon vs the normal $35,000 - $65,000, you 
 tend to be very careful about piloting it. Or he/she took off with almost 
 empty tanks.  :-)

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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In the US, hate speech is actionable or criminal only if it is based
on racial, religion or other classification, or if it is repeated
often enough to become harassment or cyber stalking.   If I tweet that
a certain baseball player is a lazy inept bum, and an embarrassment to
his family, that would not be hate speech.  If I said instead he was
an embarrassment to his race, that might be.

I can't imagine the tweet described in the article being considered
criminal or actionable in the US.  Bad taste and lack of class are not
yet violations of the law.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:31 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

 As it says at the bottom of the article you quoted, tweeting messages
 considered menacing, offensive or indecent can lead to prosecution.

 Even in the USA, where freedom of speech is often taken to be
 synonymous with freedom from any consequences of your speech
 there is an exception for 'hate speech'.  There are also statutes
 against cyber bullying in several jurisdictions.

 Nothing is absolute. Just where the line is drawn between what is, and
 what is not, acceptable behaviour varies considerably between countries.


 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:15:46PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
 Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
 increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?


 UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver

 ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
 Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM


 LONDON ? A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
 malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
 Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.

 Daley?s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
 Olympian had hoped to win a medal ?for myself and my dad.? But he
 finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
 synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.

 Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying ?After giving it my
 all...you get idiots sending me this...? and retweeted a message from
 user @Rileyy69 which said: ?You let your dad down i hope you know
 that.?

 Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
 ?on suspicion of malicious communications? in relation to Twitter
 threats made against Daley.

 Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
 coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
 currently helping police with their inquiries.

 In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
 indecent can lead to prosecution.

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Re: Test

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That happens to me as well,l and not very infrequently.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:38 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Jack Davis

 I have a few messages that have not shown on the list, but are included in
 the archives. (?)
 ?
 Jack



 I frequently see replies to messages that I don't remember seeing the
 original message in the digests.

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Re: OT - Backups Cockups, Netbooks MyBooks, Hard Drives , Dryers

2012-07-31 Thread Joseph McAllister
Ditto on Macintosh computers.

Using one gig out of the box as a backup one finds out that attaching through a 
powered hub creates a hard drive that won't wake up for Retrospect, which makes 
for no backup. When asleep, if it doesn't wake up fast enough for Retrospect, 
which reports it to the OS as being missing, so it is unmounted by the OS. It's 
a faulty combination of firmware and non-erasable software that makes it 
unreliable for anything other than normal storage.

It still sits on the shelf, waiting for some day that I may want to use it for 
something else. All of my other drives are connected the same way, and work 
reliably, or as reliable as any hard drive. I keep 5 TB of unused spares on 
standby (2,2,1).


On Jul 31, 2012, at 03:17 , John Sessoms wrote:

 This is such a heart-warming story for me. It makes me glad knowing that I'm 
 not the only person on earth that computers hate.
 
 I will never buy another Western digital hard-drive, and especially never 
 another MyBook.
 
 Several years ago, I bought a couple of MyBook drives (340GB  500GB) because 
 they seemed to be really inexpensive. I found out instead that they're just 
 really CHEAP (Of poor quality; inferior; Worthy of no respect; vulgar or 
 contemptible). There just don't seem to be enough low, vulgar synonyms for 
 *PIECE OF SHIT* to describe MyBook power supplies.
 
 The only positive thing I can say about them is Windoze-XP didn't seem to 
 have any problem blowing away the pre-installed CRAPWARE.
 
 I wish I had an answer for making folders sharable in Vista, but the only 
 Vista computer I have has only one shared folder  all of the 
 contents/sub-folders were auto-magically shared as well.
 
 From: Anthony Farr
 
 Backups, to me, originally meant CDs, then DVDs.  But doubts were
 raised about the permanence of optical media, and my backup load was
 too large to periodically refresh everything, so I moved to hard
 drives.  A couple of years ago I saw a product called Clickfree
 Automatic Backup, which is a small device placed in the usb cable
 between a computer on a wifi network and an external hard drive.  With
 a little bit of software running on each computer in the network,
 they'd all be periodically backed up with no attention required.
 Great!  And in all honesty it worked a treat.  My son and I had all
 our data secured across 3 computers.
 
 But... and there's always a 'but', isn't there, the time came when my
 500GB drive wasn't a big enough repository, so I got a 1TB WD MyBook,
 and my troubles began.  Although there was nothing wrong with the
 MyBook, it had its own backup software, didn't it.  No worries, thinks
 I, I'll just delete it from the drive.  I don't want it, didn't ask
 for it and won't ever use it, so why not?  The answer to 'why not?'
 was that WD had put the backup software on a fixed partition, and all
 my subsequent research on forum after forum informed me that the
 partition resists every attempt at deletion or reformatting.
 Bastards!
 
 Never mind, thinks I, I'll just ignore it.


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Re: OT - Backups Cockups, Netbooks MyBooks, Hard Drives , Dryers

2012-07-31 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

This is such a heart-warming story for me. It makes me glad knowing  
that I'm not the only person on earth that computers hate.


I will never buy another Western digital hard-drive, and especially  
never another MyBook.


Several years ago, I bought a couple of MyBook drives (340GB   
500GB) because they seemed to be really inexpensive. I found out  
instead that they're just really CHEAP (Of poor quality; inferior;  
Worthy of no respect; vulgar or contemptible). There just don't seem  
to be enough low, vulgar synonyms for *PIECE OF SHIT* to describe  
MyBook power supplies.





My experience with WD externals is similar.  The first MyBook died  
after about 2 years of service but I haven't thrown it out yet - I  
might rip the drive out of the casing and fit it into a powered drive  
case to see if there's any life left.  I then bought two WD  
Essentials.  The first one's power adapter died twice (replaced once  
under warranty) and it's currently working in a third party powered  
case after the built in power supply died.  The second one seems to  
work when it wants to, which doesn't always coincide with when I want  
it to.


I haven't any experience with other brands so maybe this behaviour is  
just par for the course.


Sorry I can't help with your problem, Anthony.


Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/




The only positive thing I can say about them is Windoze-XP didn't  
seem to have any problem blowing away the pre-installed CRAPWARE.


I wish I had an answer for making folders sharable in Vista, but  
the only Vista computer I have has only one shared folder  all of  
the contents/sub-folders were auto-magically shared as well.


From: Anthony Farr


Backups, to me, originally meant CDs, then DVDs.  But doubts were
raised about the permanence of optical media, and my backup load was
too large to periodically refresh everything, so I moved to hard
drives.  A couple of years ago I saw a product called Clickfree
Automatic Backup, which is a small device placed in the usb cable
between a computer on a wifi network and an external hard drive.  With
a little bit of software running on each computer in the network,
they'd all be periodically backed up with no attention required.
Great!  And in all honesty it worked a treat.  My son and I had all
our data secured across 3 computers.

But... and there's always a 'but', isn't there, the time came when my
500GB drive wasn't a big enough repository, so I got a 1TB WD MyBook,
and my troubles began.  Although there was nothing wrong with the
MyBook, it had its own backup software, didn't it.  No worries, thinks
I, I'll just delete it from the drive.  I don't want it, didn't ask
for it and won't ever use it, so why not?  The answer to 'why not?'
was that WD had put the backup software on a fixed partition, and all
my subsequent research on forum after forum informed me that the
partition resists every attempt at deletion or reformatting.
Bastards!

Never mind, thinks I, I'll just ignore it.

But... a week or two after the MyBook went into service I noticed that
backups had ceased to occur on schedule.  Then I noticed that the
Clickfree icon in 'My Computer' had gone plain, when it should appear
as a logo.  Uh oh.  Looking into it I found that the device, which
came filled with installation files and firmware and such, was empty.
The Clickfree help desk was great, I couldn't ask for better.  They
gave me a link to download the files needed to reflash the firmware,
but to no avail.  Then they emailed the files to me to ensure that I
had uncorrupted copies of them.  Still no success.  So without any
hesitation they sent me a new device.  And that's where the Clickfree
story ends for the moment, because it seemed to me that the MyBook had
killed the Clickfree, and I wasn't about to give it a second chance.

Now I was back to doing manual backups.  No way was I going to use the
WD backup software.  I would plug the Mybook into my netbook computer
and send to it, over my home network, the new files and changes from
each computer .  Even at 54Mb/sec it was quicker than doing a disk to
disk copy on one computer, because the source computer only had to
read the filefrom its disk, and the destination computer only had to
write the fileto its disk.  Doing the job on one computer leads to a
lot of disk swapping and appallingly slow copy and paste times.  It
was a perfect solution until about two months ago when I took the
netbook on a long car trip.  At the end of the journey I found that
I'd forgotten to shut it down, it was only on standby which doesn't
safely park the hard drive's read/write heads.  Soon afterwards it
developed the faintest of clicks.  Soon after that it crashed and has
been out of service since.  My backup strategy had been derailed.

Fast forward to last week.  It was cold, so our heaters were cranked
up to 

Re: PESO: We the People

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking and commenting, Jack, Bruce, Bob, Steven, Paul, Walt and Ken.

I liked these two balloons since they were colorful, but not as
outrageous as many of the balloons on display were.  I like the detail
work on the We the People balloon, and the fact that it doesn't
overdo the patriotism angle.  I thought the colors and symbols on the
other balloon provided contrast, without taking away from the first
balloon in any manner, and the distance and angular separation between
the two at that moment appealed to my eye.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=16195157

 Comments are appreciated.

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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 31/7/12, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?

The laws are being tested.

It's a criminal offence in the UK to publish defamatory information -
Twitter is another method...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law

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Re: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 31/7/12, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:


Whoa! That Handy-jib gadget is very nifty.

No wonder you are into this: a whole 'nother world of stuff to drool
and obsess over.

The Hague stuff is poor man's Polecam:

http://www.polecam.com/



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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 7/31/2012 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 31/7/12, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:


I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?

The laws are being tested.

It's a criminal offence in the UK to publish defamatory information -
Twitter is another method...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law
The UK gives much greater leeway to plaintiffs in 
libel/slander/defamation cases than the US. It's relatively impossible 
for a public figure to sue for defamation in the US as the burden falls 
upon the plaintiff to demonstrate actual malice. The question then 
becomes whether or not the plaintiff in this case would be considered a 
public figure due to his status as an Olympic competitor.


The key precedents here would likely be either New York Times v. 
Sullivan if he were indeed considered a public figure 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan), or 
Brandenburg v. Ohio, which would require that the speech in question be 
both intended to incite violence, and likely to cause it 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio).


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Re: PESO: New cedar table

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms
OTOH, the neatly spaced screw heads are themselves an esthetic statement 
of sorts.


From: Bruce Walker


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:45 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 31/07/2012 10:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote:


I am sort of ham-handed and physically unskilled; the only things I
normally create are software, prose, and photographs.  But in an
unaccustomed fit of carpenterial energy, I built a table for our
cabin, and it?s kind of pretty.  Close-up: http://goo.gl/zevu4



You need to learn about how to attach things from underneath.
Pretty wood though.


A shame about the screw heads, but agreed: gorgeous wood.
Countersinking and wooden plugs could be used here too. Visit Lee
Valley Tools sometime:

http://www.leevalley.com/


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RE: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms

No Constitution, so no First Amendment.


From: Daniel J. Matyola


I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?


UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver

ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM


LONDON ? A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.

Daley?s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
Olympian had hoped to win a medal ?for myself and my dad.? But he
finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.

Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying ?After giving it my
all...you get idiots sending me this...? and retweeted a message from
user @Rileyy69 which said: ?You let your dad down i hope you know
that.?

Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
?on suspicion of malicious communications? in relation to Twitter
threats made against Daley.

Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
currently helping police with their inquiries.

In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
indecent can lead to prosecution.

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Re: OT - Backups Cockups, Netbooks MyBooks, Hard Drives , Dryers

2012-07-31 Thread steve harley

on 2012-07-31 15:40 Brian Walters wrote

My experience with WD externals is similar.


i have a 1GB WD dual drive RAID unit; it's still working, but it's noisy and 
RAID 0 performance rarely outweighs the potential for failure for me, so it 
sits idle; it was remarkably cheap for a fast Firewire 800 drive at the time, 
so it got past my dislike of manufacturer-packaged drives




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Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms
If I should tweet I like cats!, I'm sure many cat haters would find 
that offensive. Thus are we reduced to the lowest thin skinned common 
denominator. It's rather extreme to elevate poor taste to the level of 
hate speech.


British Police win the gold for stupidity.


From: John Francis


As it says at the bottom of the article you quoted, tweeting messages
considered menacing, offensive or indecent can lead to prosecution.

Even in the USA, where freedom of speech is often taken to be
synonymous with freedom from any consequences of your speech there is
an exception for 'hate speech'. There are also statutes against cyber
bullying in several jurisdictions.

Nothing is absolute. Just where the line is drawn between what is, and
what is not, acceptable behaviour varies considerably between countries.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:15:46PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?


UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver

ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM


LONDON ? A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.

Daley?s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
Olympian had hoped to win a medal ?for myself and my dad.? But he
finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.

Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying ?After giving it my
all...you get idiots sending me this...? and retweeted a message from
user @Rileyy69 which said: ?You let your dad down i hope you know
that.?

Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
?on suspicion of malicious communications? in relation to Twitter
threats made against Daley.

Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the southwestern
coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
currently helping police with their inquiries.

In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
indecent can lead to prosecution.

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RE: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Bob W
The same person was repeatedly sending these messages and has been warned
about harrassment. The article you cited doesn't tell the whole story. 

It is true that you can be prosecuted for abusive behaviour, but it's by no
means a law that everybody supports, and so-called hate speech laws appear
to be just as dumb - why should someone's choice of religion be protected
from insult? I can understand it applying to things like race, age, sex,
handicap and suchlike because these are biological facts that we can do
nothing about and have not chosen. Religion, on the other hand, is not like
that, it's a choice just as politics and shopping is. 

You should be as free to insult my religion, or absence of, as they are to
insult my choice of political party or supermarket or poor sporting
achievements, but if you bombard me with texts about what a crap diver I am,
or follow me around shouting at me because I'm a member of the Loony Party,
I can have you charged with harrassment.

B

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Daniel J. Matyola
 Sent: 31 July 2012 22:44
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: London Olympics
 
 In the US, hate speech is actionable or criminal only if it is based
 on racial, religion or other classification, or if it is repeated
 often enough to become harassment or cyber stalking.   If I tweet that
 a certain baseball player is a lazy inept bum, and an embarrassment to
 his family, that would not be hate speech.  If I said instead he was an
 embarrassment to his race, that might be.
 
 I can't imagine the tweet described in the article being considered
 criminal or actionable in the US.  Bad taste and lack of class are not
 yet violations of the law.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:31 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
 
  As it says at the bottom of the article you quoted, tweeting messages
  considered menacing, offensive or indecent can lead to prosecution.
 
  Even in the USA, where freedom of speech is often taken to be
  synonymous with freedom from any consequences of your speech
  there is an exception for 'hate speech'.  There are also statutes
  against cyber bullying in several jurisdictions.
 
  Nothing is absolute. Just where the line is drawn between what is,
 and
  what is not, acceptable behaviour varies considerably between
 countries.
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 05:15:46PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
  I find this very strange.  Is offensive tweeting really a crime in
  Britain?  While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley
  increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?
 
 
  UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver
 
  ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM
  Updated: July 31, 2012 8:16AM
 
 
  LONDON ? A teenager has been arrested on suspicion of posting
  malicious Twitter messages directed at British Olympic diver Tom
  Daley, U.K. police said Tuesday.
 
  Daley?s father died of brain cancer a year ago and the 18-year-old
  Olympian had hoped to win a medal ?for myself and my dad.? But he
  finished fourth on Monday, out of medal contention, in the 10-meter
  synchronized platform competition with teammate Pete Waterfield.
 
  Afterward, Daley tweeted a message saying ?After giving it my
  all...you get idiots sending me this...? and retweeted a message
 from
  user @Rileyy69 which said: ?You let your dad down i hope you know
  that.?
 
  Dorset Police said early Tuesday that a 17-year-old man was arrested
  ?on suspicion of malicious communications? in relation to Twitter
  threats made against Daley.
 
  Police said the man was detained at a guest house in the
 southwestern
  coastal town of Weymouth in the early hours of the morning, and is
  currently helping police with their inquiries.
 
  In Britain, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or
  indecent can lead to prosecution.
 
  Dan Matyola
  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
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RE: OT - GoPro Test

2012-07-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Steve Cottrell
 Sent: 31 July 2012 22:58
 To: pentax list
 Subject: Re: OT - GoPro Test
 
 On 31/7/12, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
 Whoa! That Handy-jib gadget is very nifty.
 
 No wonder you are into this: a whole 'nother world of stuff to drool
 and obsess over.
 
 The Hague stuff is poor man's Polecam:
 
 http://www.polecam.com/

for the Olympics they have erected a cable across the Thames from Millwall
Park to Greenwich Park, which is almost a mile, to carry a camera which
flies in on the horsing around that's going on in the park. It gave me quite
a shock to hear the camera whizzing over my head when I walked beneath it on
Sunday.

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