Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Jack Davis]

Much more pleasing composition!
J

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> On Feb 4, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> K

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Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

[Bulent Celasun]

Darren,

I liked reading your rant, sentiments, whatever you might call it.

They are almost exactly like my feelings...

And I manage to ignore my inconsistency while doing digital B images.

My planned resolution is to start doing something entirely (eh,
almost!) the old, analog way.

I am sure, by the way, that people can easily find "filters" that introduce
random errors / surprises into their totally digital images.

So, essentially, the experience itself is probably the goal.


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2016-02-03 19:38 GMT+02:00 Darren Addy :
> People are free to do whatever "trips their trigger" but there are
> times when I personally think Photoshopping is just plain silly. One
> example is TTV photography.
>
> Through The Viewfinder photography is pointing your digital (or film)
> camera at the waist level viewfinder in a TLR or psuedo-TLR like a
> Kodak Duaflex or Argus Super Seventy-Five and recording the resulting
> image. You get a square image with rounded corners, odd distortion
> around the edges and whatever texture in the form of grit or dust is
> inherent in the old camera's viewfinder system.
>
> Examples taken with my Pentax digital:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4149215384/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4146636149/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4147376607/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4167390892/
>
> I find the effect quite fascinating and each old camera is like a
> different TTV "filter" through which to see the world.
>
> Now this effect can mostly be DUPLICATED in Photoshop. One can take
> any image and put a mask around it to simulate the rounded cornered
> square format. They can throw any sort of texture over the top of the
> image and blur the perimeter. But all they have done is create a
> counterfeit of a genuine TTV image, in my view. They've missed all of
> the fun of the process and the use of a vintage camera to again create
> interesting images. Everything has been done from the chair sitting in
> front of their computer.
>
> I feel the same way about Photoshop recreating "lith printing". It's
> not lith printing if you did it in Photoshop. It's a counterfeit
> attempting to imitate the look of a process - one which by its very
> definition has a tough time making two prints from the same negative
> with exactly the same results. I'd say the same for imitating the
> looks of most of the Alternative Processes from cyanotype, to Van Dyke
> brown, to Salt Prints, etc.
>
> The problem with my attitude is that it's not consistent. Where do I
> draw the line? Because any time I convert a digital print to
> monochrome using the great Silver Efex Pro 2, I'm doing the same
> thing. I'm creating a counterfeit of an analog process that few
> practice today. Or if I use a cross-processing filter on a color
> image, I'm simulating a process that used to exist in the days of
> color film processing.
>
> Even if I opt to enjoy such "counterfeiting" I have to admit that the
> ingredient that is missing is the element of Wonder and Surprise that
> was an essential part of analog film and darkroom work. There is no
> digital equivalent to that feeling you get when you see packet of
> prints delivered of your last roll's images - no sense of the magic of
> seeing that image appear from nothing in the tray of developer.
>
> The end product may be indiscernably different to the viewer, but the
> process of getting there was definitely different for me as the
> creator. Different does not make something necessarily better or worse
> but something is lost (and perhaps other things are gained).
>
> Let me get another cup of coffee and then I can resume gazing at my navel...
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Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

[Igor PDML-StR]

I remember reading a joke that advertised a device preventing burning 
food while cooking: when it senses smoke, it turns off the wi-fi in your 
house.



Mark Roberts Wed, 03 Feb 2016 08:09:21 -0800 wrote:

John wrote:


And a sad commentary on them at that, that you can't even get away from
the internet by laying around on the beach in a tropical paradise.



You can get away from the internet anywhere in the world. All it takes
is willpower.

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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half the space
> between him and the left and between him in the bottom. This would put the
> front of his body rather than the back of it on the "one third" line.

Thanks, Larry.  I see what you mean and why, but doing that takes away
the steepness of the rock on which he is balanced.  It then becomes
close to this:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183533=lg

which I think has better color and light, but lacks the drama by
hiding much of the rock on which he is perched.  The subject has not
moved at all in the two version;  the only differences are my
viewpoint and what is left our of the frame.

Jack and Rick, thanks for looking and thanks for your comments as well.

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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Bob W-PDML]

I could never buy one of those - they don't say they've been carefully curated.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI

B

> On 4 Feb 2016, at 21:45, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds
> 
> Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just ridiculous, 
> and outrageously over priced as well.
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As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[P.J. Alling]

I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this...

http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds

Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just 
ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well.


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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI

I LOVE that video!

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Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

[steve harley]

On 2016-02-04 8:37 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:

And going even deeper, - photography is a counterfeit of painting..
Cheating. Using some weird chemistry instead of real paints...


"counterfeit" has a connotation of intending to deceive; one could say 
photography is a counterfeit of seeing, but i think it's a willing 
suspension of disbelief, and seeing photography is also still seeing; so i 
think it's more of a conspiracy



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Re: PESO: The Mermaid at the Beach

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Intriguing, lovely lighting, but I'd love to see more of the subject.

Thanks, Rick, for your generous comments.

I plan to show more of this particular sculpture, as well as the
artist in work on this piece, and perhaps some of his other work.

This is a local artist who has works in many of the resorts and
museums of Hawaii, and in the homes of collectors on the mainland.  He
has even had two paid commissions from the Vatican!

I met the artist while on the beach for sunset photos.  That is also
where I encountered the "Perched" dude.


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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Um, what "whole set"? 

I never buy soft releases. Total waste of money for me. Even the cheap ones. 
I've been given a dozen of them over the years and always give them away.

Artisan firewood?  I don't have a fireplace, and I live where I only need to 
turn on the heat for two-three weeks per year anyway.
I do love the video though. ];-)

NO, I'd rather put my money into buying a good lens.

G


> On Feb 4, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Waiting for Godfrey to tell us he's already collected the whole set.
> :)
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
>> 
>> I LOVE that video!


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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Ann.

Perhaps the story I wanted to tell was not the best one
photographically, but seeing him perched there motionless for about
half an hour made an impression on me I wanted to convey.  I guess it
doesn't work, however.


It does not matter whether it works for us.  The question is, does it 
work for you?


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Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

So … Simulating something isn't bad when you do it, but it's wretched when 
others do it. Hm. 

I don't use stuff like "Silver Efex 2". That's using someone else's expertise 
to simulate a look of film. To me, that's a cheap cheat—artificial and sterile. 
I have no interest in "simulating film", or anything else, at all. I render my 
photos into monochrome or color as I see perceive the subject to have 
expressive value, as it reflects what I saw when I looked at whatever the 
subject might be. 

Photography as an aesthetic endeavor is, was, and always will be about seeing 
and capturing light to attempt to express how what you saw affected you. 
Whether digital and Photoshop or film and chemicals are the medium you use is 
irrelevant. There's nothing "more real", no more 'wonder and surprise', neither 
more nor less "counterfeiting" involved with the pursuit of film photography 
than there is in any other form of art. Photoshop is just as serious and real a 
tool as an enlarger and four trays of chemicals. 

The sooner you get over these nonsensical attitudes, the sooner you start to 
become a photographer. 

G

"You cannot begin to see until you open your eyes and look at the world in 
front of you."


> On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> People are free to do whatever "trips their trigger" but there are
> times when I personally think Photoshopping is just plain silly. One
> example is TTV photography.
> 
> Through The Viewfinder photography is pointing your digital (or film)
> camera at the waist level viewfinder in a TLR or psuedo-TLR like a
> Kodak Duaflex or Argus Super Seventy-Five and recording the resulting
> image. You get a square image with rounded corners, odd distortion
> around the edges and whatever texture in the form of grit or dust is
> inherent in the old camera's viewfinder system.
> 
> Examples taken with my Pentax digital:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4149215384/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4146636149/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4147376607/
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4167390892/
> 
> I find the effect quite fascinating and each old camera is like a
> different TTV "filter" through which to see the world.
> 
> Now this effect can mostly be DUPLICATED in Photoshop. One can take
> any image and put a mask around it to simulate the rounded cornered
> square format. They can throw any sort of texture over the top of the
> image and blur the perimeter. But all they have done is create a
> counterfeit of a genuine TTV image, in my view. They've missed all of
> the fun of the process and the use of a vintage camera to again create
> interesting images. Everything has been done from the chair sitting in
> front of their computer.
> 
> I feel the same way about Photoshop recreating "lith printing". It's
> not lith printing if you did it in Photoshop. It's a counterfeit
> attempting to imitate the look of a process - one which by its very
> definition has a tough time making two prints from the same negative
> with exactly the same results. I'd say the same for imitating the
> looks of most of the Alternative Processes from cyanotype, to Van Dyke
> brown, to Salt Prints, etc.
> 
> The problem with my attitude is that it's not consistent. Where do I
> draw the line? Because any time I convert a digital print to
> monochrome using the great Silver Efex Pro 2, I'm doing the same
> thing. I'm creating a counterfeit of an analog process that few
> practice today. Or if I use a cross-processing filter on a color
> image, I'm simulating a process that used to exist in the days of
> color film processing.
> 
> Even if I opt to enjoy such "counterfeiting" I have to admit that the
> ingredient that is missing is the element of Wonder and Surprise that
> was an essential part of analog film and darkroom work. There is no
> digital equivalent to that feeling you get when you see packet of
> prints delivered of your last roll's images - no sense of the magic of
> seeing that image appear from nothing in the tray of developer.
> 
> The end product may be indiscernably different to the viewer, but the
> process of getting there was definitely different for me as the
> creator. Different does not make something necessarily better or worse
> but something is lost (and perhaps other things are gained).
> 
> Let me get another cup of coffee and then I can resume gazing at my navel...


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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Larry Colen]

P.J. Alling wrote:

I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this...

http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds

Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just
ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well.


Are you kidding?  In order to buy the equivalent for a high end stereo, 
you'd need to add at least one zero before the decimal place, if not two.






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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Darren Addy]

Waiting for Godfrey to tell us he's already collected the whole set.
:)

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
>
> I LOVE that video!
>
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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ann.

Perhaps the story I wanted to tell was not the best one
photographically, but seeing him perched there motionless for about
half an hour made an impression on me I wanted to convey.  I guess it
doesn't work, however.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:02 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> The thing is...when you see someone perched on that high and somewhat
> dangerous perch , with or without camera in hand,
> there is a certain evisceral reaction, I imagine ( Had I been there, I would
> have fretted, probably felt a bit of vertigo)  but
> visually the elements just are not as interesting ... the color, the light,
> etc.  the guy's beautifully lit back and the blurry waves
> tell a big story and everything is nicely balanced in the frame.
>
> ann
>
>
> On 2/4/2016 5:27 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half the space
>>> between him and the left and between him in the bottom. This would put
>>> the
>>> front of his body rather than the back of it on the "one third" line.
>>
>> Thanks, Larry.  I see what you mean and why, but doing that takes away
>> the steepness of the rock on which he is balanced.  It then becomes
>> close to this:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183533=lg
>>
>> which I think has better color and light, but lacks the drama by
>> hiding much of the rock on which he is perched.  The subject has not
>> moved at all in the two version;  the only differences are my
>> viewpoint and what is left our of the frame.
>>
>> Jack and Rick, thanks for looking and thanks for your comments as well.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[ann sanfedele]

The thing is...when you see someone perched on that high and somewhat 
dangerous perch , with or without camera in hand,
there is a certain evisceral reaction, I imagine ( Had I been there, I 
would have fretted, probably felt a bit of vertigo)  but
visually the elements just are not as interesting ... the color, the 
light, etc.  the guy's beautifully lit back and the blurry waves

tell a big story and everything is nicely balanced in the frame.

ann

On 2/4/2016 5:27 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half the space
between him and the left and between him in the bottom. This would put the
front of his body rather than the back of it on the "one third" line.

Thanks, Larry.  I see what you mean and why, but doing that takes away
the steepness of the rock on which he is balanced.  It then becomes
close to this:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183533=lg

which I think has better color and light, but lacks the drama by
hiding much of the rock on which he is perched.  The subject has not
moved at all in the two version;  the only differences are my
viewpoint and what is left our of the frame.

Jack and Rick, thanks for looking and thanks for your comments as well.

Dan Matyola
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Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

[Toralf Lund]

On 04/02/16 15:44, P.J. Alling wrote:

I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this...

http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds

Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just 
ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well.
Well, I don't know, one has to consider what you have to pay to get 
hand-hammerers to hammer anything with their hands these days, not to 
mention the normal asking price from your typical nano-coating (I've no 
idea what that even means) coaterer...


- T


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Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

[ann sanfedele]

Bulent, I like the image - though perhaps would like it more with a bit 
less space at the top, not bothered

by the foreground blur because it leads to the sharp center.

ann

On 2/4/2016 3:52 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Ken, Jack,

Thank you both for your comments.

I know that the presence of blurry foreground objects can distract many viewers.
Still, that same "defect" seems to help adding some depth to this
particular image for me.
The central spike might have been to... (?) obvious / overt /
dominating, whatever, without the foreground distractor.


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2016-02-04 22:02 GMT+02:00 Jack Davis :

What Ken said.
J

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to me.

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- Original Message - From: "Bulent Celasun" 
Subject: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall



Natural light.
Ricoh GXR A12 module.
A toned monochrome.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/


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Re: PESO - Black Cat

[Mark C]

Thanks, Ann. Yeah - she does shed a lot

On 2/3/2016 11:17 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I see a lot of potential hairball problems there...

Nice photo

ann

On 2/2/2016 3:08 PM, Mark C wrote:
I was testing an old Argoflex TLR yesterday and had to pull out a 
partially exposed roll of film when it stopped advancing - figured I 
shoot some cat photos with the part of the roll that was not ruined. 
Here's one:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/black-cat

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/24151599473/

Pentax 6x7, Takumar 105mm f2.4 on extension tube, J Classic Pan 400 
in Rodinal 1:50.


I managed to tighten a loose screw on the Argoflex and it seems to be 
working now (at least that part of it.)


Mark

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Re: PESO - Black Cat

[Mark C]

Thanks, Darren - I'm not sure what the equivalency for this lens would 
be, but wide open (and also on an extension tube) it is very soft except 
in the center with next to no DOF. Very sharp when stopped down, though.



On 2/3/2016 1:23 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

That's a lovely image. That 105mm f/2.4 is a thin DOF lens of creamy
wonder. I'm to lazy to do the technical comparison right now, but it
HAS to be the equivalent of an f/1.2 on 35mm. The difference is you
still get a good center of nice sharpness even wide open with the 6x7.
I dont' care for most f/1.2 images that I've seen (or taken) wide
open.

On a related note, an Argoflex TLR also followed me home a couple of
months ago, and a Kodak Reflex (TLR) was a part of the same haul. Too
many cameras, too little time.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Mark C  wrote:

I was testing an old Argoflex TLR yesterday and had to pull out a partially
exposed roll of film when it stopped advancing - figured I shoot some cat
photos with the part of the roll that was not ruined. Here's one:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/black-cat

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/24151599473/

Pentax 6x7, Takumar 105mm f2.4 on extension tube, J Classic Pan 400 in
Rodinal 1:50.

I managed to tighten a loose screw on the Argoflex and it seems to be
working now (at least that part of it.)

Mark

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PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you know the 
park.

  https://flic.kr/p/DEr5EZ

enjoy, 
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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Rick Womer]

I agree with Larry. Definitely an improvement, though.

Rick

On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> 
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> A slightly reworked version on the image in my previous post.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183273=lg
>> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
>> Comments invited.
> 
> Much improved.  I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half 
> the space between him and the left and between him in the bottom. This would 
> put the front of his body rather than the back of it on the "one third" line.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: The Mermaid at the Beach

[Rick Womer]

Intriguing, lovely lighting, but I'd love to see more of the subject.

Rick

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> This sculpture is a work in progress, behind the artist's home on the
> Maui Coast:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183274=lg
> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
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Re: PESO: Perched Too

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> It does not matter whether it works for us.  The question is, does it work
> for you?

Yes;  otherwise I would not have taken it, processed it and shown it
here and elsewhere.

I thought this image could stand on its own, but then again, sometimes
I think I am a photographer.  What the hell do I know?


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Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

[John]

Don't have facebook to check, but if you can't disconnect, there's no
point in calling it a vacation.

On 2/3/2016 8:38 AM, David Parsons wrote:

Not everyone wants to disconnect from the world when they are on
vacation.  There isn't anything forcing you to check your facebook
updates when you are sitting on the beach.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:20 AM, John  wrote:

And a sad commentary on them at that, that you can't even get away from
the internet by laying around on the beach in a tropical paradise.

On 2/3/2016 1:08 AM, Darren Addy wrote:


Now THAT's an image for our times.
:)

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 5:56 PM, David Mann  wrote:


Our resort in Rarotonga made use of some convenient mounting posts for
their wi-fi access points.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/945/#peso

Cheers,
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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[John]

I think he was making a humorous comment.

On 2/4/2016 12:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Requires special installation tools, most individuals probably don't
own. I suppose you could always rent them...

On 2/3/2016 9:12 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone?


Apart from the tools, and training, which I lack, there were good
engineering reasons for not spending the money on optical fiber right now.

The CAT6 will already outperform the bandwidth of the feed from the FTTN
by an order of magnitude or so. All of the servers are already on the
same rack, but they don't have fiber inputs anyways. The Cisco SG200-18
18-port gigabit switch for the rack should be arriving sometime between
now and Monday. The data rate to and from the atomic clock and
ultraprecise GPS units, really isn't even high enough to even fully
utilize the existing CAT5 anyways.

We will, however, be leaving pull strings in place so that when fiber to
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Re: PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

[Igor PDML-StR]

John, the trees don't change their names as seasons progress...
The memory might... :-P)

Igor


 John Thu, 04 Feb 2016 08:44:19 -0800 wrote:

On 2/4/2016 9:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you 
know the park.


   https://flic.kr/p/DEr5EZ

enjoy,
G

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I never really thought about the trees changing their names as the
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Re: PESO - Black Cat

[Mark C]

Thanks, Dave!

On 2/2/2016 11:24 PM, David Mann wrote:

That's lovely.

Cheers,
Dave


On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mark C  wrote:

I was testing an old Argoflex TLR yesterday and had to pull out a partially 
exposed roll of film when it stopped advancing - figured I shoot some cat 
photos with the part of the roll that was not ruined. Here's one:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/black-cat

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/24151599473/

Pentax 6x7, Takumar 105mm f2.4 on extension tube, J Classic Pan 400 in 
Rodinal 1:50.

I managed to tighten a loose screw on the Argoflex and it seems to be working 
now (at least that part of it.)

Mark

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Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

[Igor PDML-StR]

Darren,

I understand your thoughts and doubts...
That's the situation for when things are not Black and White (and they 
almost never that way, unless you used a B film or converted it ;-) ).

Everybody draws the line where he/she chooses. That's what's called "Art".

But seriously, let me throw in a few arguments that follow the line
I quoted below.
Cross-processing a film is a counterfeit. Eastman's color film was a 
counterfeit of Technicolor.
35 mm photo film (or for that matter any film) was a counterfeit of 
plates.
And these days, any digital photography is counterfeit, as it is all 
stored in non-visual way, but just with a bunch of "0"s and "1"s stored on 
electronic media. And then it's everybody's subjective interpretation of 
those. (And if you are using LR, - depending on which process you choose, 
you might get different results.)


And going even deeper, - photography is a counterfeit of painting.. 
Cheating. Using some weird chemistry instead of real paints...


The bottom line, - my view at this issue is as follows: Don't worry about 
the methods, as long as you are not trying to pass one for another. Call 
it what it is, and if your like the results, enjoy them!

... and the process, whatever that is.

:-)

Cheers,

Igor



Darren Addy Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:40:28 -0800 wrote:

...

The problem with my attitude is that it's not consistent. Where do I
draw the line? Because any time I convert a digital print to
monochrome using the great Silver Efex Pro 2, I'm doing the same
thing. I'm creating a counterfeit of an analog process that few
practice today. Or if I use a cross-processing filter on a color
image, I'm simulating a process that used to exist in the days of
color film processing.

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Re: OT: Automobile Trivia

[John]

On 2/3/2016 7:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

This may be of interest to some here;
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BycOAx-X2IssM3BWdnd0U2RmX1E/view?usp=sharing

Please let me know if the link works.

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Re: Interesting info on the SR & differences of Pentax models

[Darren Addy]

https://goo.gl/0I5FAP
:)

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:49 AM, John  wrote:
> I don't know how much credence to invest in the writings of anyone who
> doesn't have the "patients" to proof-read before hitting send.
>
> On 2/3/2016 3:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> Found this post informative over at DPReview:
>>
>>
>> "Many people don't realize that it takes 0.58 sec for the SR to spool
>> up from the initial half press, if for some reason you take a picture
>> before the SR has fully spool the act of spooling can cause a blurred
>> image even at a 1/8000th sec shutter speed. So avoid SR when shooting
>> action, or at higher shutter speeds or any time you don't have the
>> patients to wait for the spool up. Also depending on which camera you
>> have you will want to turn SR off when following a fast moving subject
>> (panning) In my experience i could pan without issue on anything from
>> the K-5 and older, however the K-5II/s and K-3 changed things by
>> turning SR off when it detected camera movement (beyond shake) and
>> every time the SR was turned off it would spool up again which of
>> course ruins photos if you're bursting away. Apparently the K-3II
>> detects the pan and compensates by stopping the SR horizontally but
>> keeping the SR vertically.
>>
>> So anytime there is no action and you're not blasting off shots in
>> split seconds then SR will be fine, just remember to be patient to let
>> it spool up before firing. Also yes of course SR is supposed to be
>> turned off when on a tripod."
>>
>> -- source: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57182975
>>
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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

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On Feb 3, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

> What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone?


With the added pull strings in the cable runs, it's an easy enhancement.
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Re: OT: Enablement... 4x5 monorail view camera

[Darren Addy]

The 135/235 arrived today and the shutter would only cock twice before
refusing to cock again. So it is being returned.

Sort of intrigued by the Ysarex you mentioned. Will have to keep my
eye open for one.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Thanks for the tips, Collin.
> I found one of these (with a bunch of scales) for $5 at a thrift store
> (Just need to fashion a way to keep it around my neck):
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O==40696=Cj0KEQiAxMG1BRDFmu3P3qjwmeMBEiQAEzSDLoPsJd5-X24vAKPJsV_tfFq2IpM3UR-PIzmGE7dChtwaAtZS8P8HAQ=REG=y=Y==details
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> Black & White is all I'm planning on doing, ATTM. I've heard good &
> bad about the 135/235. I'm trying to buy stuff "right" so if I don't
> care for something I can at least get my money back out of it and try
> something else.
>
> You are right about the prices. Good time to get into large format, 
> price-wise.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Collin Brendemuehl
>  wrote:
>> The camera is nice.
>>
>> Get a good focusing loupe.  You'll really come to appreciate it.
>> And a really good focusing cloth.
>> And a changing tent. A bag is ok, but a tent is wonderful.
>>
>> And a good lens.  The 135/235 is fine for b but that's it's limit. (I had
>> one.)
>> A modern NIkkor or Rodenstock makes a fine lens and these days the prices
>> are quite modest.
>> If you can dig up a Rodenstock Ysarex *135mm*, that's a keeper.  It's among
>> the last of the series and performs beautifully.
>> If you happen to be rich, a Super Symmar ...
>> Or camera bling ...
>> http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00F/00FHx2-28225684.jpg
>>
>> A few shots with a plasmat or a Tessar and you will soon see the image
>> formation difference over and above the Gaussian design.
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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

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On Feb 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

> Get wifi.

It's available as a layer atop what Larry described.. Just add a 
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Re: PESO: Model A Woody

[John]

On 2/3/2016 10:26 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 2/3/2016 7:25 AM, John wrote:

On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to
use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most
impressive blizzards that we've had for many years. When this much
snow is accompanied by this much wind (45-50 mph) you end up with
nearly windswept areas and then huge long drifts that are 5 or 6 feet
deep. (I realize our 15" is nothing compared with the two and three
feet of snow you saw back east just a short time ago - but let me
whine a bit. I still need to dig the car out of the driveway with snow
up to the windows all around it.)
:)

Anyway, I was going back through some old image folders and found this
vehicle which I thought that some might enjoy. I don't know the exact
year, but it was a visitor to my place of employment a few years ago
(in a much warmer month) along with others in a Nebraska Model A Club
that stopped by to tour the auto museum & restoration facility. I'm
afraid that I don't know the exact year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/24148997704/

I tried it in monochrome, but have to say that a good part of the
beauty of this one is the colors. I also have to say that I appreciate
old automobiles, but I especially appreciate the fact that this club
DROVE their collectibles out to us, most from the Omaha area, a
journey of some 150 miles - one way.



I think it was the Model T that Henry Ford said "You can have any color
you want as long as it's B"


For technical reasons, the Black paint dried faster and made those cars
marginally less expensive to make, or so I've heard.  I pass this on
because, it's exactly what I expect from Henry Ford.



Sigh! Not black ... *B*.

For all his faults as a businessman & as a human being, Henry Ford was
smart enough to recognize that a capitalist system taking advantage of
the economies of scale from mass production doesn't work unless
sufficient numbers of workers earn enough to buy the products.



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Re: OT: "Stand development" of B film

[Darren Addy]

I understand and I believe you, but there is still an impracticality
to something that needs to be viewed that way to have an impact. I'm
of an age that remembers the wonder of transparencies in stereo...
they were called Viewmaster and you used to be able to get cameras
that would allow you to make your own. Very impactful upon me as a
small child. But not many people have light tables mounted on their
walls to display large format transparencies. The closest we come to
them today are the menu boards at fast food chains.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:45 AM, John  wrote:
> On 2/3/2016 2:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>
>> On 3 Feb 2016, at 15:15, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I understand that properly exposed chromes are amazing, but I
>>> never have understood the appeal of a chrome as the medium. Pass
>>> the slide viewer... ooh! I realize that there was a time when
>>> Cibachrome was a thing for getting impressive prints from
>>> positives.


>>
>> I used to shoot Kodachrome back in the day. When I went for my RPS
>> distinctions they projected them in a cinema to cinema screen size
>> (35mm is a cinema format) using the top-end Leitz projector onto a
>> top-end screen, and I can tell you that the experience for me was
>> stunning. Until then I never realised how good 35mm could be.
>>
>> When I took some digital shots to another distinction day and they
>> were projected, I was deeply disappointed with how flat and meh they
>> looked. The evaluators told me that they recommend people to print
>> digital stuff rather than project it.
>>
>> That was a few years ago. Nowadays with very large OLED  monitors I
>> think it's likely that the best results would be to show them on a
>> good monitor; they're not yet cinema size, but I reckon in less than
>> 10 years they will be.
>>
>> B
>>
>
> To really understand the appeal of large format transparencies, you
> probably need to actually see them on a light table. They have an impact
> that mere words can't describe.
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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[John]

On 2/3/2016 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote:

Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
even more than they already were.



Glad we could be of service.  8-D

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Re: I hate to come off like some paranoid, delusional conspiracy theorist...

[John]

I don't have many photos up there, so it would be no great inconvenience
to me, but I would miss the easy access Flickr provides to the National
Archives photo collections.

Still, I expect that if the worst should happen, the government will be
able to find some other way to make those photos available on-line, and
I'd eventually figure it out.


On 2/3/2016 9:52 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm not concerned about the possibility of a ToS change like that.
Anyone who has tried that in the past has been flayed alive by public
outcry.

And I find myself unconcerned by the possibilities of major changes or
even a shutdown at Flickr. It has played less and less of a role for
me as a work showcase in recent years, and its social functions are
much less useful than Facebook's.

If it were to disappear I'd barely notice, and I'm pretty sure I'm not
alone there.


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

... but if you have images on Flickr you'd better pay attention:
http://petapixel.com/2016/02/03/flickr-to-be-scaled-back-as-yahoo-trims-1700-jobs/

Reading between the lines, I'd say that Flickr is For Sale and I think
the likely buyer could be someone like Getty Images (with whom Flickr
already has a relationship). If such a thing happens, I'd pay VERY
CLOSE attention to any changes in their Terms of Service (You know,
those things that most people seem to click through without a moment's
thought?)

Flickr could be a Gold Mine for a stock service like Getty and your
images could be getting licensed for a fraction of what they could be
if Getty (or someone similar) takes a service like Flickr over.

I'm currently investigating ways to get my stuff OFF Flickr, as I feel
it is coming sooner rather than later.








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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[John]

You *NEVER* want to be that installer. Trust me!

On 2/3/2016 10:01 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

Hire an installer to implement the engineering plans?


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On 4/02/2016 1:26 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Requires special installation tools, most individuals probably don't
own.  I suppose you could always rent them...

On 2/3/2016 9:12 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone?

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On 4/02/2016 9:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I just posted this to my facebook page. I have a strong hunch that at
least one or two people on this list will empathize with this.

Life in engineer land.

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who worked in engineering in a
previous life, got in touch with me. Another friend of hers, also an
engineer, was about to get a second broadband connection and needed a
network cable run from his phone box to his server room. Sometimes
these installations are straightforward and take a few minutes, other
times, not so much and it takes someone who knows what they are doing.
So the first order of business was for me to head over there, scope out
the place and see if I could help, or if it would be wise to refer the
job to a friend of mine who owns a network cabling business, and
actually knows what he's doing.  The evening I was free, I headed over
there with another friend who happens to be an engineer, on our way to
something else.

So, to set the stage.  We need to run a 20m (or 60 foot) cable, from
the
outside wall of the condo, across the ceiling of the garage, and up two
floors to the office.  In effect, we are throwing four engineers at the
job.  In the real world, what would happen would be that a real
business
would send their installer out, with a box of cable, a fish line, and a
drill, who would spend 10-20 minutes tracking down the existing wires,
another half hour running the line, and 10-20 minutes terminating the
line.

But, this isn't the real world, this is engineerland.  The first
step is
to find out where the cable starts, and where it ends, then to figure
out if a new cable can be easily run.  This process takes something
like
forty minutes.  We determine that it can, indeed be done.  But, I'm an
engineer, I have to look for any opportunity to optimize. So, I ask the
question, "while we're doing this, are there any other lines that it
makes sense to run or upgrade?".

Now, we start reverse engineering the existing network.  Two hours
later, we've decided to replace the cat 5 of the existing DSL line with
cat 6, move the DSL modem from the downstairs office in the kitchen to
the server room, and to upgrade the cat 5 lines from the server room to
the wall plates in each of the kitchen office and the dining room.

In short, it has taken us about two hours to change the scope of the
job
from running a single cable from the phone box to the server room, to
running two cables, and to replace four cat 5 cables from the server
room with an effective 1 gigabit bandwidth, to cat 6 cable with a
theoretical 10 gigabit bandwidth.

One of the most important things I've learned in my engineering career
is to get a good set of job requirements before you start. There are
few
things more important than being able to know when you have actually
finished the job.  Yes, the requirements may change while you are
working on things, but it's important to note (for billing purposes if
nothing else) that they have indeed changed.

The next step is for the customer to get a rough estimate of the
distances and send me a note, or spreadsheet, that says:
2 wires from point A to B, approximately 60 feet
2 wires from point B to C, approximately 10 feet
2 wires from point B to D, approximately 40 feet

RJ 45 connectors at points B,C, and D.

What I received was a PDF diagram with 15 different locations, color
coded lines marking each of the different cables, notes on the
distances
between each location, and notes as to which distances are to be the
installed cat 6, and which are to be patch cables.

At this point we start discussing the drawing over email and SMS,
considering such vital details as color of the wire, how to mark the
wire and jacks, running pull string for future enhancements (already
implicit in the plan), where to get the various items, scheduling and
just about every other detail except for the color of the electrons in
the cable.

At this point we have ordered the specially colored jacks, scheduled
the
work for Monday, and have spent probably close to 15 engineering hours
on a task that would take a technician approximately an hour to do.

On the other hand, the customer will be able to surf the web from his
kitchen on a home network that is more finely engineered than the
one in
an NSA supercomputer lab.









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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[John]

On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney  wrote:

Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
even more than they already were.


Wait till you ask cats questions.

Dave




I thought we agreed to redirect all cat questions to T.O.P.?


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Re: OT: "Stand development" of B film

[John]

On 2/3/2016 2:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 3 Feb 2016, at 15:15, Darren Addy  wrote:


[...]

I understand that properly exposed chromes are amazing, but I
never have understood the appeal of a chrome as the medium. Pass
the slide viewer... ooh! I realize that there was a time when
Cibachrome was a thing for getting impressive prints from
positives.




I used to shoot Kodachrome back in the day. When I went for my RPS
distinctions they projected them in a cinema to cinema screen size
(35mm is a cinema format) using the top-end Leitz projector onto a
top-end screen, and I can tell you that the experience for me was
stunning. Until then I never realised how good 35mm could be.

When I took some digital shots to another distinction day and they
were projected, I was deeply disappointed with how flat and meh they
looked. The evaluators told me that they recommend people to print
digital stuff rather than project it.

That was a few years ago. Nowadays with very large OLED  monitors I
think it's likely that the best results would be to show them on a
good monitor; they're not yet cinema size, but I reckon in less than
10 years they will be.

B



To really understand the appeal of large format transparencies, you
probably need to actually see them on a light table. They have an impact
that mere words can't describe.


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Re: Interesting info on the SR & differences of Pentax models

[John]

I don't know how much credence to invest in the writings of anyone who
doesn't have the "patients" to proof-read before hitting send.

On 2/3/2016 3:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Found this post informative over at DPReview:


"Many people don't realize that it takes 0.58 sec for the SR to spool
up from the initial half press, if for some reason you take a picture
before the SR has fully spool the act of spooling can cause a blurred
image even at a 1/8000th sec shutter speed. So avoid SR when shooting
action, or at higher shutter speeds or any time you don't have the
patients to wait for the spool up. Also depending on which camera you
have you will want to turn SR off when following a fast moving subject
(panning) In my experience i could pan without issue on anything from
the K-5 and older, however the K-5II/s and K-3 changed things by
turning SR off when it detected camera movement (beyond shake) and
every time the SR was turned off it would spool up again which of
course ruins photos if you're bursting away. Apparently the K-3II
detects the pan and compensates by stopping the SR horizontally but
keeping the SR vertically.

So anytime there is no action and you're not blasting off shots in
split seconds then SR will be fine, just remember to be patient to let
it spool up before firing. Also yes of course SR is supposed to be
turned off when on a tripod."

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Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

[John]

On 2/3/2016 6:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/3/2016 8:01 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


And a sad commentary on them at that, that you can't even get away from
the internet by laying around on the beach in a tropical paradise.


You can get away from the internet anywhere in the world. All it takes
is willpower.




Willpower and a dead battery.



Never had a battery die in a book with paper pages.

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Re: PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

[John]

On 2/4/2016 9:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you know the 
park.

   https://flic.kr/p/DEr5EZ

enjoy,
G

The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.




I never really thought about the trees changing their names as the 
seasons progress.  8-D



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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Nolan Hinshaw]

On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> Darren Addy wrote:
>> The problem was throwing more than one engineer in there. Once you
>> have more than one engineer, you are no longer engineering a solution
>> you are playing a game of "Who's the Alpha Engineer". This phenomenon
>> is not limited to engineering, of course.
> 
> Nope, the problem is artistic pride. Everyone involved wants to make sure 
> that this is the very best home network that it is possible to make.  First, 
> we need to define "best".

Some guys at DAVID Systems in Sunnyvale had their own home-brew phone switches 
at home, using step-by-step switching gear salvaged from updating central 
offices. Others used engineering prototype instances of the DAVID Information 
Manager product to do the digital version of same, including supporting T-3 
spans.
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Lens Re-coating

[Bipin Gupta]

This is a public service on my part in case some of you have scratched
lenses, worn hard coating or etched glass due to fungus.
Note this man is not a Lens or Camera Repair Shop. He owns an Optics
Factory manufacturing Lenses, Mirrors, Prisms, Filters etc.
He does nor accept the full lens as he will not dismantle it.
You will have to get the glass removed locally and then ship it to him.

The job is helluva good and the charge may be half of that or lesser
than that in the USA. Actually I have no idea.
We are a bit clannish here in India, and hearing that the white faced
Rolleiflex F2.8 TLR was my Dad's, he did not charge me anything.
The front element had coating wear due the leather from the case
touching the front element - my Dad had lost the lens cap.
The lens was hard coated - perhaps a tad better than the original
circa 1962, perhaps due to technological advances.
Worked just as good as new on the camera, with my dad swearing the
photos were brighter, colorful, contrasty and glare was way lower.

Mr. Mukul Garg, CEO
http://www.universaloptics.in/
mukul garg 
UNIVERSAL OPTICS.
D-1, INDUSTRIAL ESTATE.
ROORKEE - 247667.
(UTTARAKHAND)
INDIA.

Regards.
Bipin
from the world's IT capital - Bangalore.

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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[P.J. Alling]

On 2/4/2016 10:29 AM, John wrote:

On 2/3/2016 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote:

Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
even more than they already were.



Glad we could be of service.  8-D


Wait, we didn't convince him to buy something.

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Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

[Ken Waller]

I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to 
me.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Bulent Celasun" 

Subject: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall



Natural light.
Ricoh GXR A12 module.
A toned monochrome.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/


Comments appreciated.

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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[WILSON MICHAEL]

> On 04 February 2016 at 15:31 John  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney  wrote:
> >> Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
> >> even more than they already were.
> >
> > Wait till you ask cats questions.
> >
> > Dave
> 
> I thought we agreed to redirect all cat questions to T.O.P.?

Ah, yes.  The curiosity subclaws of our trolling protocol.

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PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

[Bulent Celasun]

Natural light.
Ricoh GXR A12 module.
A toned monochrome.

https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/


Comments appreciated.

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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[Ken Waller]

Wait, we didn't convince him to buy something.


Maybe a new Nikon or Canon  ;-)

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Subject: Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)



On 2/4/2016 10:29 AM, John wrote:

On 2/3/2016 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote:

Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
even more than they already were.



Glad we could be of service.  8-D


Wait, we didn't convince him to buy something.

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Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

[Ken Waller]

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From: "WILSON MICHAEL" 

Subject: Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)



On 04 February 2016 at 15:31 John  wrote:


On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney  wrote:
>> Thanks PDML for all the responses.  You've managed to muddy my waters
>> even more than they already were.
>
> Wait till you ask cats questions.
>
> Dave

I thought we agreed to redirect all cat questions to T.O.P.?


Ah, yes.  The curiosity subclaws of our trolling protocol.


That should make us all paws for a moment.


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Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

[Jack Davis]

What Ken said.
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to 
> me.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bulent Celasun" 
> Subject: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall
> 
> 
>> Natural light.
>> Ricoh GXR A12 module.
>> A toned monochrome.
>> 
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/
>> 
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> Bulent
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>> http://celasun.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
>> http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun
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Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

[Bulent Celasun]

Ken, Jack,

Thank you both for your comments.

I know that the presence of blurry foreground objects can distract many viewers.
Still, that same "defect" seems to help adding some depth to this
particular image for me.
The central spike might have been to... (?) obvious / overt /
dominating, whatever, without the foreground distractor.


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2016-02-04 22:02 GMT+02:00 Jack Davis :
> What Ken said.
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>
>> I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to 
>> me.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Bulent Celasun" 
>> 
>> Subject: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall
>>
>>
>>> Natural light.
>>> Ricoh GXR A12 module.
>>> A toned monochrome.
>>>
>>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/
>>>
>>>
>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>
>>> Bulent
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>>> http://celasun.wordpress.com/
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>>> http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun
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Re: PESO: Perched Too

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A slightly reworked version on the image in my previous post.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183273=lg
K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
Comments invited.


Much improved.  I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about 
half the space between him and the left and between him in the bottom. 
This would put the front of his body rather than the back of it on the 
"one third" line.





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Re: OT: Life in engineerland

[Bob W-PDML]

Probably a question best addressed to your chiropractor.

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> On 4 Feb 2016, at 02:13, Philip Northeast  wrote:
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> What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone?
> 
> Philip Northeast
> 
> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
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