Wi-Fi photo/video portable storage, with SD slot, etc.

[Igor PDML-StR]

I thought this new device by WD might be worth looking at for some people 
here:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=1660
According to the description, you can move files from the camera using 
Wi-Fi, and you can use this to save files from the SD* cards.


If someone buys this, - please report back about your exerience.

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Re: PESO: Passing Storm

[Larry Colen]

Adam Montoya wrote:

It rained on the 4th. In fact, i think it rained on the 4th last year, and
perhaps the year before that as well. So i got drenched, then took a photo
of clouds and stuff.

http://www.mountainfort.com/Photography/2016/i-4fdC44T/A


That showed a very nice black and white photo of a drainage ditch then 
changed to something else.  A very nice set of photos anyways.  What 
caused the electrode to completely erode away like that?





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PESO: Passing Storm

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It rained on the 4th. In fact, i think it rained on the 4th last year, and
perhaps the year before that as well. So i got drenched, then took a photo
of clouds and stuff.

http://www.mountainfort.com/Photography/2016/i-4fdC44T/A

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Re: PESOs: Young and old

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. I could use flash if I wasn't so lazy. 

Paul via phone

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Thanks. They were both at 6400, but I had to boost  shadows a bit. Have to 
>> try to live with less shutter speed. These were 1/640th, f8, which is wide 
>> open with the 150-450 and 1.4X converter.
> 
> Thanks, it's very helpful for me to see what happens when you're pushing the 
> performance envelope of the camera?
> 
> Is there any way you could use a small amount of fill flash?  Or set up a 
> reflector to bounce a bit of light as fill?
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Re: PESOs: Young and old

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Thanks Mark. Good to know.

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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Nice pair, Paul. I think #2 is a Chipping Sparrow.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On 7/5/2016 5:37 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
>> other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256336&size=lg
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256339&size=lg
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A couple more from Mt Hamilton

[Larry Colen]

Here are a couple more from last night.  These are slightly more 
conventional nightscapes.


The luxobarge at night:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/28084127086/in/album-72157667869222073/

The milky way through trees:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/27503592244/in/album-72157667869222073/

The full album is at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157667869222073

I did a fair bit of experimentation, with straight nightscapes (how far 
can I push the rule of 600), with astrotracer, astrotracer using fill 
(in this case flashlight but speedlight would probably work better for 
consistency), and a bit of using lightroom panorama or hdr to combine 
astrotracer and conventional frames.  I certainly do not have things 
figured out, and will probably need to learn photoshop to properly 
combine frames.


I am quite pleased, however, with the combination of the Rokinon 24/1.4 
on the K-1 for night photography.


Comments, feedback and suggestions welcome and solicited on any photos 
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Re: PESOs: Young and old

[Mark C]

Nice pair, Paul. I think #2 is a Chipping Sparrow.

Mark

On 7/5/2016 5:37 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256336&size=lg
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256339&size=lg




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Re: PESOs: Young and old

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Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks. They were both at 6400, but I had to boost  shadows a bit. Have to try 
to live with less shutter speed. These were 1/640th, f8, which is wide open 
with the 150-450 and 1.4X converter.


Thanks, it's very helpful for me to see what happens when you're pushing 
the performance envelope of the camera?


Is there any way you could use a small amount of fill flash?  Or set up 
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Re: PESOs: Young and old

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Thanks. They were both at 6400, but I had to boost  shadows a bit. Have to try 
to live with less shutter speed. These were 1/640th, f8, which is wide open 
with the 150-450 and 1.4X converter.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
>> other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256336&size=lg
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256339&size=lg
> 
> Those are awesome.  What ISO are you shooting at?  There seems to be a fair 
> amount of noise in the green background, though it's not at all 
> objectionable.  The birds and birdseed are nice and sharp. I guess I don't 
> notice much noise in the grain. :-)
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Re: PESOs: Young and old

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256336&size=lg
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18256339&size=lg


Those are awesome.  What ISO are you shooting at?  There seems to be a 
fair amount of noise in the green background, though it's not at all 
objectionable.  The birds and birdseed are nice and sharp. I guess I 
don't notice much noise in the grain. :-)



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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[John]

On 7/5/2016 4:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:


Is Britain still mired in the class struggle?


Always has and always will :-(


Frankly, the USA is not very different.



The class struggle in the USA is not quite so institutionalized.


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Re: PESO 4 July Panorama

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I tried doing hdrs, then a panorama of those.  Something went wrong in 
the processing. I had hoped to get a panorama that showed both stars and 
city lights, I got all that and more:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/28115243085/in/album-72157670008358012/


Larry Colen wrote:

Taken from the top of Mt. Hamilton with K-1 and Bigma (sigma 50-500) 12
frames, ISO 100, 8 seconds, f/6.3, 190mm, would have worked better to
just use a 200/2.8. Full sized pano would be 4x3927

Why not use a wider angle can crop down? Because this way you can
combine more frames with fireworks and get more fireworks in the shot.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/27498852123/sizes/o

My best shots from last night were not of fireworks, actually my
fireworks shots kind of sucked, but I learned a lot about how to make
them suck a lot less next year. Not the least of which would be to show
up about 30-45 minutes sooner than we did.

We got to the pullout in Nicole's Shelby at about the same time as
someone else driving a fairly new mustang GT. He turned to me and said
"nice mustang". His reaction was rather amusing when I said "Thanks, I
wish it was mine".



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Re: PESO 4 July Panorama

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Nice. Fascinating.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Taken from the top of Mt. Hamilton with K-1 and Bigma (sigma 50-500) 12 
> frames, ISO 100, 8 seconds, f/6.3, 190mm, would have worked better to just 
> use a 200/2.8.  Full sized pano would be 4x3927
> 
> Why not use a wider angle can crop down? Because this way you can combine 
> more frames with fireworks and get more fireworks in the shot.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/27498852123/sizes/o
> 
> My best shots from last night were not of fireworks, actually my fireworks 
> shots kind of sucked, but I learned a lot about how to make them suck a lot 
> less next year.  Not the least of which would be to show up about 30-45 
> minutes sooner than we did.
> 
> We got to the pullout in Nicole's Shelby at about the same time as someone 
> else driving a fairly new mustang GT. He turned to me and said "nice 
> mustang". His reaction was rather amusing when I said "Thanks, I wish it was 
> mine".
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Re: PESOs: Young and old

[Jack Davis]

Really nice, Paul!
Especially the young'un.
J

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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
> other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.
> 
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PESO 4 July Panorama

[Larry Colen]

Taken from the top of Mt. Hamilton with K-1 and Bigma (sigma 50-500) 12 
frames, ISO 100, 8 seconds, f/6.3, 190mm, would have worked better to 
just use a 200/2.8.  Full sized pano would be 4x3927


Why not use a wider angle can crop down? Because this way you can 
combine more frames with fireworks and get more fireworks in the shot.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/27498852123/sizes/o

My best shots from last night were not of fireworks, actually my 
fireworks shots kind of sucked, but I learned a lot about how to make 
them suck a lot less next year.  Not the least of which would be to show 
up about 30-45 minutes sooner than we did.


We got to the pullout in Nicole's Shelby at about the same time as 
someone else driving a fairly new mustang GT. He turned to me and said 
"nice mustang". His reaction was rather amusing when I said "Thanks, I 
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PESOs: Young and old

[Paul Stenquist]

I think that both of these are house sparrows, one an angry old guy and the 
other a young and pretty fledgling But i could be wrong.

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Is Britain still mired in the class struggle?
> 
> Always has and always will :-(

Frankly, the USA is not very different. 

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.07.16 um 19:20 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


Does this also mean that the three other member states should not get
'special treatment' with their opt-outs also?




I'd have no problem with applying the same rules to everyone.

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Re: PESO: The Twins

[Larry Colen]

It's no wonder that everyone is fawning over this photo, it's a great shot.
How would it I look if you cropped just a bit off the right and bottom so they 
are bigger and less centered?

On July 4, 2016 4:42:16 PM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
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>
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>K-5 IIs, DA 1-135
>Comments, suggestions and criticisms are invited.
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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/16, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

>only under the same conditions that apply to all 
>other member states. No more special treatment.

Does this also mean that the three other member states should not get
'special treatment' with their opt-outs also?



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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/16, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'd be sad to see them go and I'd be quite happy if they still changed 
>their minds but then only under the same conditions that apply to all 
>other member states. No more special treatment.

I just don't understand the special treatment bit. How is it special?

UK opt-outs were fully negotiated - some things the UK does not adhere
to and for this we pay a price. We benefit less than other member states.



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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Is Britain still mired in the class struggle?

Always has and always will :-(

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/16, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Interesting conversation.
>
>As a citizen of 'the rest of Europe' my view of the UK as a member of
>the EU is:
>
>- They just want the good things of the Union (free trade) but not the
>bad things (immigration,...). Brexit leaders promised to achieve this
>perfect equation.

Your assumption that immigration is a bad thing puzzles me. Why is it
bad? I actually think immigration is a good thing. That said, complete
freedom of movement, unrestricted, to a relatively small island with a
population already in excess of 65 million is untenable. We have an
overstretched national health service, housing shortages (pushing prices
up) amongst many other problems. Our government has already agreed to
immigration quotas that have been negotiated within the EU frame.

Beyond this, one has to ask the question: why the UK ? Why do so many
people want to come here? Many people travel from the middle east, all
the way through Europe and strive to reach these shores. Why? This is
not the land of plenty that somehow has seemingly burned itself into the
immigrant consciousness.


>- They are (were) in, but with their own rules (currency, somehow
>restricted borders,...)

Believe it or not we are still 'in' and will likely be so until 2019. We
do have some opt-outs from the EU, currency being the main one. This was
negotiated and agreed upon by the EU. It is not a unilateral decision.
Your government, Juame, agreed to this opt-out along with all the other
EU governments. So how is this all our fault?

The somehow restricted borders are also negotiated. Britain is not the
only EU member with restricted borders. Please see this wiki page on the
Schengen Area:




>- They always try to deactivate (from within) all the attempts for a
>closer political union.

I don't understand this statement at all. To my knowledge this is not true.

Where's Bob Walkden when you need him ;-) (he's cycling in France!)

My idea of 'a closer political union' probably mirrors most Brits' by
being part of a central union of countries standing together with trade
and social links. It does *not* include any notion that overall control
of our country will be decided by a European Parliament, a European
defence force (army). I am in two minds about a single currency, but
given the financial failings of some member states, at the moment, I
would prefer to keep the British Pound.

>So, yes, probably the Brexit is a bad thing in the short term, but maybe
>is a good opportunity for both parties, specially for the Europeans that
>are willing to build a closer and more supportive Union.

How close do you want to get?

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.07.16 um 17:11 schrieb Jaume Lahuerta:


- They just want the good things of the Union (free trade) but not the bad 
things (immigration,...). Brexit leaders promised to achieve this perfect 
equation.

- They are (were) in, but with their own rules (currency, somehow restricted 
borders,...)
- They always try to deactivate (from within) all the attempts for a closer 
political union.


One more thing:

- They always were the USA's foot in the door of EU legislation.

I'd be sad to see them go and I'd be quite happy if they still changed 
their minds but then only under the same conditions that apply to all 
other member states. No more special treatment.


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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Interesting article.

"Brexit is about more than the EU: it’s about class, inequality, and voters
feeling excluded from politics."

Is Britain still mired in the class struggle?

Inequality, especially economic inequality, is a huge problem for all
economically developed democracies.


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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Doesn't that make the referendum meaningless?
>
> Yes and no.
>
> We don't have proportional representation - we elect MPs to look after
> our interests in parliament. With the way our system works, I would have
> been in favour of our elected MPs (after due diligence in listening to
> their constituents) voting in parliament on our behalf.
>
> Sadly the PM promised a public referendum and the result is now a matter
> of fact.
>
> I say this because in my opinion a lot of people were not educated
> enough to understand what they were voting for/against. There appeared
> to be a public backlash based on misinformation and lack of ability to
> seemingly gather facts independently.
>
> This article might be of interest:
>
>  britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster>
>
> alternative link:
>
> 
>
>
> >Certainly some people might
> >vote for Labour on other grounds, even though they do not want to remain
> in
> >the EU.
>
> But surely a potential government promising a superseding of the
> referendum result would attract pro-EU voters and dissuade anti-EU
> voters. The opposition party (in power) have promised to uphold the
> referendum result and leave the EU, so in a general election that might
> be their promise, though I think they would lose.
>
> >The whole idea of a referendum is to isolate those other factors
> >and get a decision on the single issue:  leave or stay.
>
> I understand and agree - but in politics there are many ways to skin a
> cat (and a voter!).
>
> >The Leave issue is a complex one, based on emotion as well as on political
> >principles.  I think Britain's departure would be a great loss for the
> rest
> >of Europe, but the British people have to decide what is best for them. I
> >just hope it all get sorted out without too much additional turmoil and
> >economic harm to all concerned.
>
> Amen to that!
>
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Re: PESO 2016 - 120-125 - GDG

[John]

On 7/5/2016 12:43 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 7/4/2016 3:29 PM, John wrote:

On 7/4/2016 2:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

A few photos from yesterday morning ...

  https://flic.kr/p/JAVoV5
  https://flic.kr/p/JD9Se4
  https://flic.kr/p/JAVnfb
  https://flic.kr/p/JD9RHV

Then we drove to Napa for our friends' annual party. "Okay, we've
arrived. Hey, isn't it time for a selfie?..."

  https://flic.kr/p/JEKJpa

Happy Fourth Of July!

enjoy!
G



Yeah, happy 4th of July.

A squirrel got crosswise on a 7KV feed line at 6:00am this morning on my
street. Set the pole on fire and burned at least a foot off the top. I'd
never seen that before.

Pics at 11 or whenever I get caught up with everything else that's FUBAR
today.



I didn't think that squirrels liked fireworks.




I don't think this one enjoyed them very much.

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Jaume Lahuerta]

Interesting conversation.

As a citizen of 'the rest of Europe' my view of the UK as a member of the EU is:

- They just want the good things of the Union (free trade) but not the bad 
things (immigration,...). Brexit leaders promised to achieve this perfect 
equation.

- They are (were) in, but with their own rules (currency, somehow restricted 
borders,...)
- They always try to deactivate (from within) all the attempts for a closer 
political union.


So, yes, probably the Brexit is a bad thing in the short term, but maybe is a 
good opportunity for both parties, specially for the Europeans that are willing 
to build a closer and more supportive Union.


Regards,
Jaume


De: Steve Cottrell 
Para: pentax list  
Enviado: Martes 5 de julio de 2016 16:52
Asunto: Re: OT Brexit Aftermath


On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Doesn't that make the referendum meaningless?

Yes and no.

We don't have proportional representation - we elect MPs to look after
our interests in parliament. With the way our system works, I would have
been in favour of our elected MPs (after due diligence in listening to
their constituents) voting in parliament on our behalf.

Sadly the PM promised a public referendum and the result is now a matter
of fact.

I say this because in my opinion a lot of people were not educated
enough to understand what they were voting for/against. There appeared
to be a public backlash based on misinformation and lack of ability to
seemingly gather facts independently.

This article might be of interest:



alternative link:




>Certainly some people might
>vote for Labour on other grounds, even though they do not want to remain in
>the EU.

But surely a potential government promising a superseding of the
referendum result would attract pro-EU voters and dissuade anti-EU
voters. The opposition party (in power) have promised to uphold the
referendum result and leave the EU, so in a general election that might
be their promise, though I think they would lose.

>The whole idea of a referendum is to isolate those other factors
>and get a decision on the single issue:  leave or stay.

I understand and agree - but in politics there are many ways to skin a
cat (and a voter!). 

>The Leave issue is a complex one, based on emotion as well as on political
>principles.  I think Britain's departure would be a great loss for the rest
>of Europe, but the British people have to decide what is best for them. I
>just hope it all get sorted out without too much additional turmoil and
>economic harm to all concerned.

Amen to that!

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Doesn't that make the referendum meaningless?

Yes and no.

We don't have proportional representation - we elect MPs to look after
our interests in parliament. With the way our system works, I would have
been in favour of our elected MPs (after due diligence in listening to
their constituents) voting in parliament on our behalf.

Sadly the PM promised a public referendum and the result is now a matter
of fact.

I say this because in my opinion a lot of people were not educated
enough to understand what they were voting for/against. There appeared
to be a public backlash based on misinformation and lack of ability to
seemingly gather facts independently.

This article might be of interest:



alternative link:




>Certainly some people might
>vote for Labour on other grounds, even though they do not want to remain in
>the EU.

But surely a potential government promising a superseding of the
referendum result would attract pro-EU voters and dissuade anti-EU
voters. The opposition party (in power) have promised to uphold the
referendum result and leave the EU, so in a general election that might
be their promise, though I think they would lose.

>The whole idea of a referendum is to isolate those other factors
>and get a decision on the single issue:  leave or stay.

I understand and agree - but in politics there are many ways to skin a
cat (and a voter!). 

>The Leave issue is a complex one, based on emotion as well as on political
>principles.  I think Britain's departure would be a great loss for the rest
>of Europe, but the British people have to decide what is best for them. I
>just hope it all get sorted out without too much additional turmoil and
>economic harm to all concerned.

Amen to that!

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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> if a general election is called and (say) a new Labour Leader
> (who would be effectively campaigning to be PM) stood on a pro-EU ticket
> promising a turnaround stance on the EU - effectively saying if you vote
> us in, we cancel the referendum result - and that party won the
> election, then a clear (new) mandate will have been given and thus a new
> incoming government will have authority to cancel the U pullout (as long
> as that is done *before* Article 50 is started). This is entirely possible.
>

Doesn't that make the referendum meaningless?  Certainly some people might
vote for Labour on other grounds, even though they do not want to remain in
the EU.  The whole idea of a referendum is to isolate those other factors
and get a decision on the single issue:  leave or stay.

The Leave issue is a complex one, based on emotion as well as on political
principles.  I think Britain's departure would be a great loss for the rest
of Europe, but the British people have to decide what is best for them. I
just hope it all get sorted out without too much additional turmoil and
economic harm to all concerned.


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Re: PESO: The Twins

[Bulent Celasun]

Beautiful creatures nicely captured... in a sense.

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2016-07-05 2:42 GMT+03:00 Daniel J. Matyola :
> These twins visited my back yard this morning:
>
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Re: PESO 2016 - triptych 126-128 - GDG

[Bulent Celasun]

Feels almost like an animation with timely eye contacts.

Funny end enjoyable.

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2016-07-04 22:15 GMT+03:00 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> Hooligans and Hilarity.
>
>   https://flic.kr/p/JCWyT7
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> enjoy!
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>
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Re: OT Brexit Aftermath

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/7/16, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Is this right?  The PM resigned, and then the Brexit leaders in his party,
>Johnson and Gove, said they are not interested in the job,

Not true. Michael Gove is standing for election as leader of the
Conservative Party, which effectively means Prime Minister, given that
they are in power at the moment. He stands a very slim chance.


>leaving the
>field open to a steon Remain Supporter.

The other contenders are a mixture of Remain and Leave supporters. The
favourite is Theresa May, Remain.

>Farange, who started it all, said
>"My work here is done," and resigned the leadershipof his party., but
>remains a member of the European Parliament.

This is true. He's been going a long time as UKIP leader and has
fulfilled one of his ambitions. He was never elected a UK Member of
Parliament, and there is only one serving UKIP MP.

>The Labour Leader won't quit,
>so everyone else in his party leadership quit instead.

Jeremy Corbyn is the Labour (and therefore opposition) leader. Many
Labour MPs feel he is unelectable (q.v.) and want a change of leader.
Corbyn has a vast support of the Labour Party membership, but alas no
the Parliamentary Labour Party (the Labour MPs) which is an untenable
situation. The honourable thing for him to do would be to step down but
he is having non of it. He will be ousted shortly - there is no way he
can continue without the support of the PLP.

> No one on either
>side of the referendum made any plans for what to do if Leave won, and the
>current PM refuses to do anything, leaving it up to his successor, who may
>be opposed to leaving.

David Cameron, the current Conservative PM has stated that he feels he
is unable to lead the UK out of the EU, and so is stepping down. His
total convictions were to remain in the EU. There is an argument that he
should have stayed on to fight for the best deal in withdrawing from the
EU, but he has served one previous term as PM, as well as the current
term and has previously publicly stated that he does not wish to seek a
third term of office. I think his actions are fully understandable in
the circumstances.

>Europe wants Britain to leave now, but Britain
>refuses to do anything.

This is simply not true and these are dangerous words. The above
statement is a non-sequitur.

The UK leaving the EU is a lengthy process, not previously attempted by
any country. The process starts by the UK PM going to the EU Parliament
and invoking 'Article 50' which is a trigger to begin a 2 year process,
at the end of which the UK is then no longer a member of the EU. During
this 2 years, negotiations would take place to secure terms of the
withdrawal. It simply cannot be done overnight. There is no time limit
on when the start of the process happens. The current PM has stated that
the next PM will have to do this. Realistically I think this will happen
some time in 2017.

> Even if they do, the Scots may have veto power
>over the UK's withdrawal, and everyone in Northern Ireland appears to be
>applying for Irish passports.

I have not heard of this.

There will be issues with Scotland and northern Ireland.

The whole thing could collapse though under certain conditions. For
instance, if a general election is called and (say) a new Labour Leader
(who would be effectively campaigning to be PM) stood on a pro-EU ticket
promising a turnaround stance on the EU - effectively saying if you vote
us in, we cancel the referendum result - and that party won the
election, then a clear (new) mandate will have been given and thus a new
incoming government will have authority to cancel the U pullout (as long
as that is done *before* Article 50 is started). This is entirely possible.

13 million people did not use the vote in the UK EU referendum. I
suspect most if those were Remain supporters who clearly thought they
wouldn't need to vote because it would be a walkover. Even if less than
half utilised their vote, the outcome would have been different. If they
then use that vote in a new pro-EU govt, then that's all it takes.

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Re: PESO: Bambi

[Bulent Celasun]

Thanks Meg,

That picture is truly refreshing...

Now I am seriously thinking, once again, to get up early.

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2016-07-03 23:04 GMT+03:00 Stanley Halpin :
> I wish I could claim this but I wasn’t up early enough this morning. Shot by 
> Meg this morning with her K-x, DA L 50-200/4-5.6
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