date:20170627


Don't know about that. Sounds like you know more about it than I do.

I do know that California Redwoods were heavily logged, back in logging 
days, 80-90% cut down. And I know, while there are a few old growth 
Redwoods in the Berkeley Hills, most I have seen are not that old 
(because they aren't that big). And Berkeley is perfect for Redwoods, 
since Redwoods like fog. So I suspect these were planted, or some were 
planted (since Redwoods spread), but no idea when or why. But it is 
EXTREMELY likely the hills were covered with Redwoods to begin with, so 
I would view them as replacement Redwoods if they were planted.


HTH, Marnie aka Doe

On 6/27/2017 6:04 PM, John wrote:

It's in its own thread this time.

Are these from the guy who took revenge on the City Council by
surreptitiously planting redwood trees in all the city parks?

On 6/27/2017 15:03, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of
little Redwood stands there.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil


It's in its own thread this time.

Are these from the guy who took revenge on the City Council by
surreptitiously planting redwood trees in all the city parks?

On 6/27/2017 15:03, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of
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http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil


It seems to be threaded under "Stupid Car Question".

On 6/27/2017 14:30, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Is this showing up as a reply to Stupid Car Question, or is it showing
up on its own?

Still figuring out Thunderbird.

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/27/2017 11:02 AM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of
little Redwood stands there.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones


Shoot a fixed color balance - doesn't matter what it is, as long as it's
the same one for everything you shoot in that light.

Include a gray card in your first & last frames. Use the white balance
eyedropper on the gray card in Lightroom or Photoshop (ACR).

Synchronize the images in between.

On 6/27/2017 14:51, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead of
the less power hungry LED bulbs.
And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.

I have attached a sample photo which shows the yellow color cast - though
surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0

The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??

I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
Temperature in Lightroom.

Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

May the Force be with you.
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PESO Mr. Downey

At dusk in the backyard. Yeah, it’s noisy.  It’s an ISO 18,000 photo at dusk. 
But to my mind, the detail more than makes up for the noise, which is mainly 
restricted to the out of focus elements. K-1 with the D FA 150-450 on a 
monopod, f5.6 at 1/1000th. 450 mm focal length.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18402855/mr-downey
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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil

2017-06-27 Thread Jack Davis

Guess I fumbled my message, 
Marnie. Not a biggie.

J

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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> I had to read that several times to decode it. Heh.
> 
> Point.
> 
> Well, it is if you WANT static. And it isn't exactly half and half.
> 
> I loved the needle covered ground, which is not uncommon with Redwoods, but 
> not always present either. The combo of the soft ground and the closely 
> growing Redwoods, makes for a lot quietness and... tranquility.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
> 
>> On 6/27/2017 3:21 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Marnie, if I may, I got the message
>> years ago to be careful to avoid
>> cutting photo elements in half.
>> Not that prominent in this case, but
>> well back on the right I saw an
>> example that may not be seen by a
>> well adjusted centered viewer.
>> Nice image,BTW!
>> Jack
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very nice. Just the thing to enjoy with an end of day cocktail.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  
 wrote:
 
 Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.
 
 Still working on updating my photography web page.
 
 This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of little 
 Redwood stands there.
 
 http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm
 
 Comments welcome.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)
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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

2017-06-27 Thread Jostein

A few years back I did a series of reproduction of oil paintings in 
private homes where i HAD to get the colours right. I bought a gray card 
that I took one shot of at each location. Then, in Lightroom I could 
select all images from that location, use the WB eye dropper on the gray 
card, so that LR synchronised the change to all the images.


"Should we"? No collective "we" here, as far as I'm concerned. :-)
Pentax got infamous for its white balance in tungsten light, and have 
implemented a camera setting that allow you to moderate the degree of 
compensation for tungsten lights. Try tweaking that first to see if it 
makes you happy.


Using the eye dropper on something you wish to perceive as neutral 
should get you in the ballpark with Lightroom. Someone's white T-shirt, 
etc...




Jostein


Den 27.06.2017 20.55, skrev Bipin Gupta:

Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.

I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0

The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??

I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
Temperature in Lightroom.

Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

May the Force be with you.
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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil


I had to read that several times to decode it. Heh.

Point.

Well, it is if you WANT static. And it isn't exactly half and half.

I loved the needle covered ground, which is not uncommon with Redwoods, 
but not always present either. The combo of the soft ground and the 
closely growing Redwoods, makes for a lot quietness and... tranquility.


Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/27/2017 3:21 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Marnie, if I may, I got the message
years ago to be careful to avoid
cutting photo elements in half.
Not that prominent in this case, but
well back on the right I saw an
example that may not be seen by a
well adjusted centered viewer.
Nice image,BTW!
Jack
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Very nice. Just the thing to enjoy with an end of day cocktail.

Paul via phone


On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:

Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of little 
Redwood stands there.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Thanks, Paul.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/27/2017 1:45 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Very nice. Just the thing to enjoy with an end of day cocktail.

Paul via phone


On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:

Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of little 
Redwood stands there.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

2017-06-27 Thread Bruce Walker

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
>
> Why would you want to remove the yellow color cast? It is the way it looks
> in real life and we are all used to seeing that kind of light in rooms at
> night.

Well, for nicer skin tones for one. And for creative reasons for another.

We aren't slaves to what the camera happens to produce. It interprets
the scene one way and we are free to reinterpret that to the way we
see it in our own heads.

And in "real life" your brain adapts to the prevailing colour
temperature and attempts to make it appear neutral. So the world in
fact doesn't look blue when you are standing outdoors, except for a
brief moment when you head outside from a tungsten-lit interior.

> I buy CFL in that color range, BTW, because I can't stand blue casting
> fluorescent lighting. They say it's natural, day light, but, no, it's blue.

That's why the lamp sections in hardware stores are so big. Colour
temperatures for everyone's preferences. I prefer daylight balance in
some locations, but tungsten in others.

Warm colours supposedly help you to prepare for sleep, as I understand
it. They now make tricky lamps with ever-changing colour temperatures
that can slowly shift to warmer as evening progresses. They can be
programmed from an app on your mobile device or desktop PC.

> Marnie aka Doe   Short answer:  no.
>
>
> On 6/27/2017 11:55 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>>
>> Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
>> of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
>> And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.
>>
>> I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
>> cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
>> correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??
>>
>> I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
>> Temperature in Lightroom.
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

2017-06-27 Thread Bruce Walker

I'm with Paul: there's no right or wrong answer; it's a personal
preference choice.

If you like warm interior tones, or want to convey such, go with a
higher colour temp. If you prefer to neutralize the light for more
accurate colour values, stick with tungsten WB.

As for "leaving the photo as it is", the camera is no authority. Auto
White Balance is often fooled by the scene, or you might have set
manual white balance, so what you got out of the the camera is pretty
arbitrary.

But this example scene is even trickier because there are two distinct
colour temperatures: what the table lamp produced (likely tungsten WB,
2800K-3200K) and what's coming in through the window, which looks to
me like a cloudy dusk, so it could be anywhere from 4000K to 6000K.

Lightroom allows you to create a WB gradient so you could make the
colour balance reasonably neutral across the scene by making a
gradient between the lamp and the window. But then that would make it
look like daylight outside and remove the cue that it's late in the
day.

You can also easily solve the whole problem by converting the image to
black and white. :)

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I go both ways on this. Sometimes I standardize the color by setting white 
> point on a white, gray or  near black surface. Sometimes I just bump it a bit 
> toward the cool, and I may elect to leave it warm. It's all about the 
> photographer's interpretation of the scene. There are no right or wrong 
> answers.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>>
>> Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
>> of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
>> And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.
>>
>> I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
>> cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
>> correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??
>>
>> I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
>> Temperature in Lightroom.
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil

2017-06-27 Thread Jack Davis

Marnie, if I may, I got the message
years ago to be careful to avoid
cutting photo elements in half.
Not that prominent in this case, but
well back on the right I saw an
example that may not be seen by a
well adjusted centered viewer.
Nice image,BTW!
Jack
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Very nice. Just the thing to enjoy with an end of day cocktail.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.
>> 
>> Still working on updating my photography web page.
>> 
>> This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of little 
>> Redwood stands there.
>> 
>> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome.
>> 
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)
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>> On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> A punctured tyre can usually be
>>> vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.
>> 
>> "Fascinating" ;-)
>
>You've lost me, there. But you're welcome to continue this discussion in 
>Dutch, French or German if you feel up to it.

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On 27/6/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>One of many fascinating things you can pick up if you hang out at the
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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

I go both ways on this. Sometimes I standardize the color by setting white 
point on a white, gray or  near black surface. Sometimes I just bump it a bit 
toward the cool, and I may elect to leave it warm. It's all about the 
photographer's interpretation of the scene. There are no right or wrong answers.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
> of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
> And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.
> 
> I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
> cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0
> 
> The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
> correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??
> 
> I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
> Temperature in Lightroom.
> 
> Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.
> 
> May the Force be with you.
> Bipin.
> 
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Re: Stupid car question

The Paris forage was shot in the mid 1930s. Continental kits were common on 
passenger cars. Of course they didn't refer to them as such. Edsel started that.

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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I used some footage of Paris traffic for a 1991 commercial about Edsel Ford's 
> first Continental. Numerous modest cars, Renaults in particular, were all 
> sporting Continental kit spare tires.
> 
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>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:02 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it became a style in between the world wars European auto
>> racing. Mounting the spare on the back would cut down on wind
>> resistance. Maybe some of the early steps towards streamlining.
>> 
>> Anyway, it's a "continental kit" because that's how it was done on the
>> continent (of Europe).
>> 
>>> On 6/25/2017 23:09, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:43:52 -0400, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 It was a bit of '60s styling weirdness. It served no purpose other
 than to mount the spare. The design evoked the diving platforms on
 period boats.
 
 Paul via phone
 
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:54 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:38:24 -0400, Bill
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So I saw one of these:
>> http://vefir.pressan.is/utlond/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/04/58-Edsel_Pacer-Conv-KM-08_RH-05.jpg
>> 
>> on a ferry ride last year. It's an Edsel. The question is, can
>> anyone tell me what the purpose of the very elongated back bumper is?
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> bill
>> 
>> 
> spare tire, continental kit
> 
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>>> actually the mounting of tires externally on the body goes way back in
>>> automotive
>>> history, but the trend was over by the sixties. It was still very
>>> popular in the
>>> mid to late 50's however.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

BTW, you can purchase warm light LEDs now.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
> Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead of
> the less power hungry LED bulbs.
> And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.
> 
> I have attached a sample photo which shows the yellow color cast - though
> surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0
> 
> The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
> correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??
> 
> I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
> Temperature in Lightroom.
> 
> Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.
> 
> May the Force be with you.
> Bipin.
> 
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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil

Very nice. Just the thing to enjoy with an end of day cocktail.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.
> 
> Still working on updating my photography web page.
> 
> This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of little 
> Redwood stands there.
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm
> 
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> 
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Re: Enablement (thanks to the Theta SC price drop)

2017-06-27 Thread Darren Addy

I somehow missed the earlier announcement of an upcoming Theta 4K,
which will be introduced sometime this year. If I like what I can do
with the SC, it sounds like the 4K is the one that will produce good
video and would be the one I would potentially upgrade to instead of
the S model.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1333693-REG/ricoh_theta_360_degree_camera.html
https://theta360.com/en/info/news/2017-04-21/

Also, reading reviews, it seems that people like "3rd Party" apps for
use with the Theta, than the Ricoh one. Need to do more research on
that. The App Store on my iPad Mini 4 shows a number of possibilities
when searching for "camera control for Ricoh Theta". Several apps
claim to do HDR for the Theta also.

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Hadn't really seriously looked at the Theta until this: Price drop
> info 
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ricoh-announces-199-price-for-theta-sc-360-camera-300479364.html
>
> Decided for this price that I should dip my toe in the waters of 360
> degree video (particularly since I can hang it from a drone). In my
> future may be a full blown S (with 25 minutes of video capability vs
> the 5 minutes of the SC). 360 degree stills might be interesting for
> Real Estate work also. It will also be another camera to have running
> JUST before totality hits on August 21st.
> :)
>
> Original announcement was only last October:
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2016/10/12/ricoh-theta-sc-360-camera-preview/
>
> Pentax page for the SC: https://theta360.com/uk/about/theta/sc.html
>
> I was about to order it from Amazon when my WikiBuy extension notified
> me I could save $19 by purchasing from B To my surprise, not only
> did I save the state tax, but also got to select a free Theta soft
> case (I chose the black one with a [just plain silly] $39 suggested
> retail.
>
> Darren Addy
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Re: Stupid car question

I used some footage of Paris traffic for a 1991 commercial about Edsel Ford's 
first Continental. Numerous modest cars, Renaults in particular, were all 
sporting Continental kit spare tires.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:02 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I think it became a style in between the world wars European auto
> racing. Mounting the spare on the back would cut down on wind
> resistance. Maybe some of the early steps towards streamlining.
> 
> Anyway, it's a "continental kit" because that's how it was done on the
> continent (of Europe).
> 
>> On 6/25/2017 23:09, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:43:52 -0400, Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It was a bit of '60s styling weirdness. It served no purpose other
>>> than to mount the spare. The design evoked the diving platforms on
>>> period boats.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
> On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:54 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:38:24 -0400, Bill
>  wrote:
> 
> So I saw one of these:
> http://vefir.pressan.is/utlond/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/04/58-Edsel_Pacer-Conv-KM-08_RH-05.jpg
> 
> on a ferry ride last year. It's an Edsel. The question is, can
> anyone tell me what the purpose of the very elongated back bumper is?
> 
> thanks
> 
> bill
> 
> 
 spare tire, continental kit
 
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>> 
>> actually the mounting of tires externally on the body goes way back in
>> automotive
>> history, but the trend was over by the sixties. It was still very
>> popular in the
>> mid to late 50's however.
>> 
>> 
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Re: On long lenses

2017-06-27 Thread Darren Addy

Didja notice the tooltip caption as you roll over the comic?

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Enablement (thanks to the Theta SC price drop)

2017-06-27 Thread Darren Addy

Hadn't really seriously looked at the Theta until this: Price drop
info 
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ricoh-announces-199-price-for-theta-sc-360-camera-300479364.html

Decided for this price that I should dip my toe in the waters of 360
degree video (particularly since I can hang it from a drone). In my
future may be a full blown S (with 25 minutes of video capability vs
the 5 minutes of the SC). 360 degree stills might be interesting for
Real Estate work also. It will also be another camera to have running
JUST before totality hits on August 21st.
:)

Original announcement was only last October:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2016/10/12/ricoh-theta-sc-360-camera-preview/

Pentax page for the SC: https://theta360.com/uk/about/theta/sc.html

I was about to order it from Amazon when my WikiBuy extension notified
me I could save $19 by purchasing from B To my surprise, not only
did I save the state tax, but also got to select a free Theta soft
case (I chose the black one with a [just plain silly] $39 suggested
retail.

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Re: Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

Why would you want to remove the yellow color cast? It is the way it 
looks in real life and we are all used to seeing that kind of light in 
rooms at night.


I buy CFL in that color range, BTW, because I can't stand blue casting 
fluorescent lighting. They say it's natural, day light, but, no, it's blue.


Marnie aka Doe   Short answer:  no.

On 6/27/2017 11:55 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.

I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0

The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??

I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
Temperature in Lightroom.

Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

May the Force be with you.
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Incredibly Rusty Photographers – Who? – Those who have not shot for two weeks.


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PESO - Redwood Tranquil


Sorry for the resend, still figuring out Thunderbird.

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of 
little Redwood stands there.


http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

2017-06-27 Thread Bipin Gupta

Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead
of the less power hungry LED bulbs.
And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.

I have given the link to a sample photo which shows the yellow color
cast - though surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0

The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??

I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
Temperature in Lightroom.

Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

May the Force be with you.
Bipin.

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Yellow Home Lighting - Color Cast & Skin Tones

2017-06-27 Thread Bipin Gupta

Many homes still use yellowish light for internal illumination instead of
the less power hungry LED bulbs.
And photos come out with a strong color cast especially skin tones.

I have attached a sample photo which shows the yellow color cast - though
surprisingly the skin tone is fairly OK.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svjhqjveewcwt0d/Yellow%20Light%20Example.jpg?dl=0

The Question: Should we neutralize the overall yellow color cast and
correct the skin tone in post, or leave the photo as it is??

I often end up with "sick" looking skin tones when I adjust the WB
Temperature in Lightroom.

Looking forward to your feedback on your preferences.

May the Force be with you.
Bipin.

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weeks.
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Re: PESO - Redwood Tranquil

Is this showing up as a reply to Stupid Car Question, or is it showing 
up on its own?


Still figuring out Thunderbird.

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/27/2017 11:02 AM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of
little Redwood stands there.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: Google's getting into the on-demand photo book printing business

2017-06-27 Thread Bruce Walker

Brilliant! Not.

Mark, have you tried Blurb's magazine format yet? The prices are
really low for those and seem -- on paper at least -- to be a good
idea for little projects.



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> I thought this might be worth a look as an alternative to Blurb for
> doing the PDML Photo Annual. After all, with Google's resources they'd
> surely be able to do better than Blurb's high prices, right? Wrong.
> They're even more expensive than Blurb. Oh well.
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Re: Stupid car question


On 6/27/2017 05:45, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 26.06.17 um 21:52 schrieb Toralf Lund:


I think most new cars no longer have a spare tyre as standard
equipment around here, although it may be available as an option.
Instead, some kind of repair kit is included. Typically a contraption
that will fill the tyre with a mixture of air and a gluey substance. I
guess it works pretty well on simple pinhole type punctures, but if
you get a proper tear you're in trouble...


There is another major drawback to this. A punctured tyre can usually be
vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.

But not after the chemical repair kit has been used. Then it will only
be good for the way to the next garage at no more than 80 km/h. There,
you'll have to buy a new one. Now, have this happen with a tyre that's
worn by more than, say, a third and you'll have to buy not one but two
new tyres where you'd have had a simple 20 euro repair before.

With all my driving around in ports and former industrial sites I end up
with a punctured tyre about once a year. Buying one or two new tyres
each time would soon add up to a lot of money.

Ralf



When I was driving my MGB, I carried a spare tube & a kit for patching
punctured tubes, along with a couple of irons & a bottle of soap.
Eventually, I got pretty proficient at getting the the tube out & back in.

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Re: On long lenses

I love it!

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> https://xkcd.com/1855/
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Re: PESO - Posed ant

Incredibly fine detail!

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> http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/liten-jeg/
>
> This macro foray is rapidly turning into an entomology project.
> The ant is a regular wood ant worker (formica sp.) who strayed into the
> house and died on the living room floor.
> As insects often do, it had curled all its legs up underneath. So I had to
> soften it for a while in vinegar before attempting to arrange legs and
> antennae in a more lively pose. Then dry it out, remove debris and dust,
> and then place it on a piece of bark.
>
> Stacked in Zerene Stacker from 300 shots by 645Z with FA-150/2.8 and
> FA-75/2.8 as diopter (ca. 2X magnification). End result is cropped by about
> 50%.
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Re: The Road not taken... Video


Makes me kind of sad. I'd rather be there than stuck here.

On 6/27/2017 09:19, ann sanfedele wrote:

Not mine - but wanted to share one of the roads I've been virtually
traveling each morning before and during taking my blood pressure...

This one is noteable for the great light and big sky... I've been near
there, but not on that exact path...  I watched it half speed with sound
off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcYYVAktaWw

Hope others enjoy it... it's gonna make a few of you know the general
area ache to get out there again, I"m sure

I confess to wishing we had had a dash cam back in the mid 1980's

ann




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On long lenses

2017-06-27 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

https://xkcd.com/1855/


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Re: Peso-Grimes Church

Working fine now.


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>
> Pleased to hear it, Paul
> Thanks!
>
> J
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul in MKE" 
> To: "PDML" 
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:18:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Peso-Grimes Church
>
> That's got it!  Very nice
>
> -p
>
>
> On 6/26/2017 1:01 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >
> > Last attempt at Grimes Church.
> >
> > https://www.photo.net/photo/18400520/
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PESO - Redwood Tranquil


Still working on updating my photography web page.

This is from 2011. Taken in the Berkeley Hills. There are a lot of 
little Redwood stands there.


http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/tranquil.htm

Comments welcome.

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Re: Stupid car question

I think it became a style in between the world wars European auto
racing. Mounting the spare on the back would cut down on wind
resistance. Maybe some of the early steps towards streamlining.

Anyway, it's a "continental kit" because that's how it was done on the
continent (of Europe).

On 6/25/2017 23:09, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:43:52 -0400, Paul Stenquist
wrote:

It was a bit of '60s styling weirdness. It served no purpose other
than to mount the spare. The design evoked the diving platforms on
period boats.

Paul via phone

On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:54 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:38:24 -0400, Bill
wrote:

So I saw one of these:
http://vefir.pressan.is/utlond/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2015/04/58-Edsel_Pacer-Conv-KM-08_RH-05.jpg

on a ferry ride last year. It's an Edsel. The question is, can
anyone tell me what the purpose of the very elongated back bumper is?

thanks

bill

spare tire, continental kit

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actually the mounting of tires externally on the body goes way back in
automotive
history, but the trend was over by the sixties. It was still very
popular in the
mid to late 50's however.

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Google's getting into the on-demand photo book printing business

2017-06-27 Thread Mark Roberts

https://petapixel.com/2017/06/26/look-googles-20-photo-book-hands-review/

I thought this might be worth a look as an alternative to Blurb for
doing the PDML Photo Annual. After all, with Google's resources they'd
surely be able to do better than Blurb's high prices, right? Wrong.
They're even more expensive than Blurb. Oh well.
 
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Re: Stupid car question

2017-06-27 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 27.06.17 um 13:15 schrieb Steve Cottrell:

On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:


A punctured tyre can usually be
vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.


"Fascinating" ;-)


You've lost me, there. But you're welcome to continue this discussion in 
Dutch, French or German if you feel up to it.


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Re: Stupid car question

2017-06-27 Thread P. J. Alling

Yes but you must remember that a case of the crabs isn't necessarily 
seafood.



On 6/27/2017 11:32 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 27 Jun 2017, at 12:16, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:


A punctured tyre can usually be
vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.

"Fascinating" ;-)


One of many fascinating things you can pick up if you hang out at the docks 
often enough...






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Re: Stupid car question

2017-06-27 Thread Bob W-PDML


> On 27 Jun 2017, at 12:16, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> A punctured tyre can usually be 
>> vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.
> 
> "Fascinating" ;-)
> 

One of many fascinating things you can pick up if you hang out at the docks 
often enough...



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Re: The Road not taken... Video

2017-06-27 Thread Jack Davis

Thanks, Ann. 
Enjoyed!
Wonder how lost I would get? :)

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:19 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Not mine - but wanted to share one of the roads I've been virtually traveling 
> each morning before and during taking my blood pressure...
> 
> This one is noteable for the great light and big sky... I've been near there, 
> but not on that exact path...  I watched it half speed with sound off
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcYYVAktaWw
> 
> Hope others enjoy it... it's gonna make a few of you know the general area 
> ache to get out there again, I"m sure
> 
> I confess to wishing we had had a dash cam back in the mid 1980's
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Re: The rumor I heard today ...

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Collin Brendemuehl  wrote:

> Maybe PDML should buy the camera division.
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Let's organize a kickstarter!

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The Road not taken... Video

2017-06-27 Thread ann sanfedele

Not mine - but wanted to share one of the roads I've been virtually 
traveling each morning before and during taking my blood pressure...


This one is noteable for the great light and big sky... I've been near 
there, but not on that exact path...  I watched it half speed with sound off


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcYYVAktaWw

Hope others enjoy it... it's gonna make a few of you know the general 
area ache to get out there again, I"m sure


I confess to wishing we had had a dash cam back in the mid 1980's

ann


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Re: Stupid car question

On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

> A punctured tyre can usually be 
>vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.

"Fascinating" ;-)

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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

2017-06-27 Thread Yves Caudano

I know I’m late in the discussion but I just saw the thread now and, as a 
physicist, I thought I could provide some insights into this question (but no 
answer).

One way of seing the problem is to consider only the vertical movement 
(equivalent to standing in an elevator going up in small steps with stops 
between them). The stress this puts on the body would be related to the maximum 
vertical acceleration each time you step up. I did a quick estimate and perhaps 
that could correspond to a ~15% increase of stress relative to standing still 
(equivalent to adding 15% mass to the bag and to the person).

Another component of the problem is the actual biomechanics of climbing the 
stairs while maintaining balance. This is the tricky part because it involves 
"lever problems”. I expect this is the biggest source of stress, especially if 
your body position is not optimal, because lever problems involve multiplying 
factors. Therefore, the forces exerted locally by muscles and joints to prevent 
rotational and torsional imbalances can be much larger than the force required 
to simply carry the bag (equivalent to multiplying the mass of the bag by a 
possibly large factor). We normally dont’ hold heavy loads at arm’s length for 
this reason and we shouldn’t lift loads by bending forward for this reason as 
well (when lifting by bending forward, I believe the multiplying factor can 
reach ~20 in the lower back).

I guess my message is: in terms of body stress there’s more to stair climbing 
than vertical lift.

Yves

On 24 Jun 2017, at 18:33, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being 
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?
> 
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking for 
> the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
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> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
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> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
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Re: Stupid car question

2017-06-27 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 26.06.17 um 21:52 schrieb Toralf Lund:

I think most new cars no longer have a spare tyre as standard equipment 
around here, although it may be available as an option. Instead, some 
kind of repair kit is included. Typically a contraption that will fill 
the tyre with a mixture of air and a gluey substance. I guess it works 
pretty well on simple pinhole type punctures, but if you get a proper 
tear you're in trouble...


There is another major drawback to this. A punctured tyre can usually be 
vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.


But not after the chemical repair kit has been used. Then it will only 
be good for the way to the next garage at no more than 80 km/h. There, 
you'll have to buy a new one. Now, have this happen with a tyre that's 
worn by more than, say, a third and you'll have to buy not one but two 
new tyres where you'd have had a simple 20 euro repair before.


With all my driving around in ports and former industrial sites I end up 
with a punctured tyre about once a year. Buying one or two new tyres 
each time would soon add up to a lot of money.


Ralf

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