Re: PESO: Didgeridoos in View

2006-08-29 Thread Badri A
 Aah - Peets.   The company that has taken the Starbucks technique of
 over-roasting coffee beans to a whole new level.  Sadly, the American
 consumer has been conditioned to think that bitterness is goodness.

I cannot agree more.  No, in fact, I agree completely g  I subscribe
to the conspiracy theory that Starbucks habituates its unwitting
consumers to such horrendously bitter smoked coffee that in comparison
real, well-roasted coffee seems 'weak'.  Local roasters are definitely
the way to go.  The Santa Barbara Roasting Company does a fair job
where I live, but I prefer Trader Joe's Kauai (Kona's not-so-ugly
cousin) for my morning cup.

badri

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Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Badri A

So it turns out quite a few people feel the way I do.  I would print
my most important images and try to store them archivally.  Print and
transparency are, after all, the only storage media that don't require
readers (apart from human vision, and I don't know when that will be
antiquated).  I don't think posterity will care about my photography
(but then that's what some Indian cave-painters might have thought
too!).  At any rate I'd like my great-grandchildren to know I fooled
around with cameras for a while.

Badri



On 4/28/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well you are taking about theory and I am talking about observed prints.

Those prints I were made about 6 months ago on a current model Epson
with Epson ink and Epson paper. However it is a low end model printer as




Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Badri A
very good thread and probably very useful for designing an archival
storage system for digital media.

I have a sub-poll: how many of those who primarily shoot digital think
it's a good idea to also invest time and money in retaining an
'analog' (print/transparency) copy of your photos in a suitable
archive?

I find this attractive because, unlike digital storage, analog storage
will likely degrade but not be destroyed barring fire/other calamity. 
Some (fuzzy and faded) memories are better than no memories.


On 4/27/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think it has to do with computer experience rather than production
 levels.




Re: Run Windoze on your Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Badri A
I'd have to agree that this certainly makes Apple computers more
buy-able for me.  I have been a Windows person all my life.  I used a
Mac for a while and it does do some things better.  However the
learning I needed to do to get some tasks done was rather frustrating
and didn't seem to be worth the pain.

And what's the deal with the single mouse-click? G  It's downright
silly to do Ctrl+Click when you could just use another button.  As
silly as having one button change both shutter speed and aperture as
some all-auto starter SLRs do.  Mac seems to have forgotten the
'simple user interface' rules it built its GUI by.

btw I work on Windows, surf the net all the time and have never (knock
on wood) been afflicted by bugs of the virulent kind.  Or spyware.  It
helps that my office network is administered really well.  And you
just have to shut all the open doors (or as many as you can).  Use
Zone Alarm and so forth.

I also heard that the Windows-Mac dual boot idea may not work so well
because of some differences in the way some drivers are/will be
implemented (in the BIOS and not the OS in the Mac but not so in
Windows).   Does anyone know more about this?

Badri

On 4/6/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Probably time to chime in.  This is not meant to push one direction or
 another, just offering a viewpoint.  One thing to keep in mind is that
 many Windows users (myself included) are plenty happy with their
 computing.  I have no desire or need to consider a Mac, because I am
 not bothered or annoyed by my current system and I can get all the
 work done that I want.  It seems that many of the Mac users are
 disgruntled Windows users who have made the switch and are much
 happier.  That is great for them, but there is still a huge number of
 users who are not going to switch to a Mac, because they don't care
 to.  That is one of the reasons that the Mac market share hasn't
 changed all that much since it was released.  It has floated in the
 under 10% range for as long as I can remember.



Re: Semi-OT: Notebook PC for Photo Editing

2006-03-29 Thread Badri A
Hi all,

I too recently bought a notebook for all-around use including photo
editing.  I was also wondering about the merits of the extra-brite
screens for photo viewing/editing.  I was too lazy to research it so I
just got a Dell with the TrueLife screen to try it out.  I haven't
received it yet..

To the best of my knowledge, all the new 'extra bright' screens merely
feature a reflective coating on the LCD instead of an anti-glare
coating that supposedly increases the display contrast.  I imagine one
can re-calibrate the screen as one chooses, just like all other
displays.

My 2 cents on notebooks: Toshibas are neat but not very reliable.  I
owned two that had the same trouble: insufficient cooling due to the
fan vents being on the underside.  I think Dell makes the best
inexpensive notebooks; reliable enough though people often report
problems in the second year.  I bought an XPS M140 (P-M 1.73 GHz, 512
MB RAM, 80 GB HDD) for $900 with a 2-year warranty.  I think that
configuration is light enough but has enough processing oomph for
Photoshop.

Also, Lenovo Thinkpads are the same as IBM Thinkpads in design.  Their
service standards may be different.  Lenovo, Fujitsu and Apple all
certainly make terrific notebooks if your budget is around the $1500
mark.

Cheers
badri




 IR jtainter wrote:

 IR Gang, I am looking at various notebook computers. One of the uses would be
 IR photo editing, but mostly it is for word processing and internet. Still, I
 IR would need to be able to do photo editing on it. With all the gear that 
 Pentax
 IR will be bringing out, I can't spend a lot on it.

 IR I've noticed that some manufacturers offer screen enhancements that have 
 names
 IR like True Life (Dell) or TruBrite (Toshiba). The demo on Toshiba's 
 website
 IR suggests that this is a gamma shift that lightens parts of images.

 IR Does anyone know anything about this? Is it just a gamma shift that one 
 could
 IR do oneself?

 IR On the basis of value for money I am looking at Dell and Toshiba. Acer 
 seems to
 IR get mixed reviews for reliability. Lenovo is too new to have established a
 IR track record. (I inquired how their notebooks differed from IBM 
 Thinkpads, but
 IR the email I got back said that I had to call an 800 number. That's a good 
 way
 IR for a company to lose me as a potential customer.)

 IR Thanks,

 IR Joe






Re: lens and rental advice

2005-07-13 Thread Badri A
Now *that's* an idea...

On 7/12/05, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 shoot a multiimage panorama and stitch it.
 
 Herb



Re: lens and rental advice

2005-07-12 Thread Badri A
hey, 

Thanks all for your suggestions. 

K-mount rentals seems to be completely non-existent.  In Santa Barbara
(and LA), Samy's camera will rent Pentax 645 and 6x7 but no 35 mm
gear.  I had thought maybe things would be different in the big Bay.

Thanks Joe and Godfrey for your comments.  I am inclined to follow
your advice and take just my 50 and 135 with me and try to capture
some sense of the grandeur of a 200 foot tall tree on film.  It might
take some inventive compositions/perspectives.

As far as shooting elk goes - I can't think of a way to find a really
long lens to use, so I'll try to find a 2x tele and get by with it. 
In Yellowstone, the elk seem to not notice humans at all and let you
get fairly close.  I was able to get reasonably good shots with my
135.  When I went to Pt. Reyes I couldn't even find the Tule elk -
they are endangered aren't they? - and the only animals I found were
the happy cows that make 'real california cheese'!  I did spot some
blue whales from the point over the lighthouse though, but I didn't
even try to photograph them.. just spotting them made my trip g

Again, thanks all and I'll post the results when i get back. 
cheers
badri






On 7/12/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've attempted to photograph the Elk at Pt Reyes.  I wasn't expecting to do
 so, and therefore didn't have a long enough lens, so I viewed the elk
 through the finder of my friend's camera.  He was using a 400mm, iirc.  The
 elk in that area, while not particularly afraid of human contact, seem to
 keep their distance.  Based on the experience, a 270mm focal length may
 fall a little short.  At least be prepared with something a little longer
 if at all possible.
 
 Shel
 




lens and rental advice

2005-07-11 Thread Badri A
Hey all, 

I'm going on a little road trip this weekend: heading north from Santa
Barbara along the California coast (but not the Pacific Coast
Highway), with a stop in the Redwoods area and ultimate destination
Portland, OR.  I plan to spend a day or two in the Redwoods parks and
then drive on to Portland and spend another couple of days there
driving around.  I will not be primarily there to photograph the park
area and hence don't want to carry too much equipment, but I do hope
to come back with a few good shots..

Can anybody suggest a set of must-have lenses/other equipment?  I will
probably be carrying an MX and shooting Fuji Sensia (for landscapes)
and some 400-speed print film (for snapshooting).  The only lenses I
own are an A50/2 and an M135/3.5.  I'm guessing I will need a good
wide-angle (is a 28 wide enough to shoot 200-foot redwoods?).  A good
telephoto will be handy for shooting wildlife - the Roosevelt elk is
supposedly very easy to spot there, but I'm hoping to get away with
using a 2x teleconverter (or some such) on my 135.  Also, would a
polarizing filter be necessary?

Also, can anybody recommend a good place to rent K-mount lenses in the
San Francisco area?

Any other suggestions/advice would be much appreciated!
Thanks
Badri



Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

2005-03-15 Thread Badri A
excellent bird pic!  After reading your description and having a look,
I imagine I see a perplexed look on the guy's face...

Was just wondering if you have put your feeder in a place where a long
zoom reaches it easily.. do you often try to photograph birds at your
feeder?

Cheers
Badri



Re: The Pentax Glass Phenomenon Continues!

2005-03-06 Thread Badri A
and that too for the M28/2.8 (not one of the 28/2s)!  I don't think
many people like this lens much, going by the discussion on Stan's
site.  Aww.. wish I had put that up for sale...

Badri 


  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3879053120
 
  Holy Hoppin Horny Toads!
 
  Don
 



Re: PESO - hair braiding

2005-02-15 Thread Badri A
Thanks a lot for your comments, Frank!  I really appreciate the time
you guys take to look at pics and give your opinion.. it encourages me
to keep going out there, taking pictures.

Cheers
Badri

 
 
 Very colourful.  The framing is good.  I wish I could see the
 braider's face, though, as it's very dark and without detail.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 --
 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
 




Re: PESO - hair braiding

2005-02-10 Thread Badri A
Thanks for your comments!

You're right, the hair-stylist is too dark.  Unfortunately I didn't
have my huge add-on flash with me that day.  These are the (few) times
I wish I had a newer body with a built-in flash.
Would a half-stop overexposure have worked?  Of course, I wasn't
thinking about the woman in the shadows at exposure time or I would
have tried it.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3107800

this is the original image, uncropped.  I cropped out the elements I
thought were distracting and didn't add to the theme of the
hair-braiding stall - but it does have some breathing space.  Do you
think it looks better?
 
 Also, it looks like the woman getting her hair braided is slightly out of
 focus.

Yes, she is a bit soft.  I guess my manual focusing wasn't that
accurate on this quick snapshot.

Again, thanks for looking!
Badri



PESO - hair braiding

2005-02-09 Thread Badri A
Hi, 

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3106149

A street shot from Curacao, a small island in the Caribbean I had been
to last week.  This is a stall in the weekend market (a completely
touristy affair) in Willemstad, the capital.

Since this is my first PESO I'd really appreciate your input and comments. 
Thanks
Badri



Re: PESO - hair braiding

2005-02-09 Thread Badri A
well it's a mannequin wearing the red hat alright :)

and there are two posters tacked up on the cloth below the mannequin,
which also seem to be advertisements for the braided-hair look.. I
guess that makes it three?

Thanks for the comments!
Badri

  Yeah, that was MY question, too...but I couldn't imagine a scenario
  to require just one!
  Maybe I'd rather not know?
 
 
 Maybe it's in case you need three?



Re: OT: Travel suggestions

2004-11-02 Thread Badri A
Hey Ryan

Well I'm 23 and change so I beat you by a li'l bit. 

I'd been to London, Oxford and Amsterdam (among other tiny places)
last summer and it was terrific.  Amsterdam is also quite the place
for us 'young' people... with the Rijsmuseum and the van Gogh museum
thrown in..

Have a good trip and don't forget to show us your pics of the Queen (I
actually did snap the Queen, from many yards away and over the crowd's
heads)

Cheers
Badri


On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:25:21 +1000, Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gianfranco,
 
 Possibly the youngest on the list at a tiny 24. I'd like to go to Dublin
 sometime in my life, but probably not this trip because it's not too far a
 stretch from the UK (not intending step on anybody's toes!).  But I really



Re: PAW PESO - Breakfast in Bed

2004-10-30 Thread Badri A
Hi Shel and all, 

A late comment on the original photograph.  

I think it is interesting - the idea and the description, which
suggest that people in all walks of life can enjoy breakfast in bed. 
It does give me to think, and in that sense it is a good photograph.

I agree with Jostein, however, that it doesn't evoke any feelings in
me.  Maybe that means I am a little jaded and cynical.  I could defend
myself by saying that I have lived in a big city most of my life and
those many years have left me a little less sensitive to poverty or
homelessness.  I think it is but natural.  You might think it a pity. 
Maybe it is, but the fact remains that the image is just not powerful
enough.  We have all seen more dramatic, gut-wrenching images in the
media.

I also think Jostein is right when he suggests that Shel is not close
enough.  I, personally, would have liked to see this shot close-up,
tightly focused on the woman's face and her breakfast things.  In the
present image I find it hard to discern her expression, and though
there is eye contact it is not powerful.  I simply do not 'feel' the
presence of the woman in this shot.

Let me add that I also greatly admire street photographers and their
work.  Shel and Frank are two of the people whose work makes reading
PDML interesting.

Cheers
Badri



On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:00:24 +0200, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Speaking of assumptions, could you (or anyone else) answer the
 questions I have interspersed below? I'm quite certain that there's a
 fundamental discrepancy between intention and perception here, and it
 would make an interesting lesson for me, I think.
 
 If you feel it more appropriate to send it off list, please do.
 
 thanks,
 Jostein
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  You look but you do not see ... tis a shame you are so jaded and
 cynical.
 
 Ok... maybe I didn't make it clear that it was this particular photo
 that failed to induce any feelings? Did I really come across as a
 complete cynic in all questions related to poverty?
 
  She's smiling, there's direct eye contact, and she's not the least
 bit
  grumpy with my presence.
 
 This an obvious mistake on my part.
 
  Your comments are worthless since you've made
  them based on unwarranted assumptions and lack of observation.  In
  addition, apart from being totally mistaken about the photograph,
 you're
  attempting to point a negative finger at me personally.  Well, I
 won't take
  it quietly like I did with the last pic I put up.
 
 I would really like to know what I'm accusing Shel of here...
 
  My comments were not to evoke sympathy, but to show a similarity
 between
  two extreme segments of the population.  Both can enjoy a pleasant
 morning
  breakfast in bed regardless of social and economic class or their
 physical
  situation.  It's sad you only perceive the negative.
 
 I don't get it... Is the photo posted to show this person's pleasure?
 
  To judge someone and their life as you've done is just a load of
 crap.
 
 How, exactly, am I passing judgement on anything but the photo?!?
 
  Consider yourself fortunate that you don't have the problems that
 put this
  woman on the sidewalk that morning.  Consider that you're not
 mentally ill,
  that you have some form of socialized medicine to help you when you
 need
  attention, that you may have family or friends which she may not
 have, and
  you have other resources, both financial and social, to help you
 should you
  have the problems that this woman has.
 
 Excuse me, but this is exactly the kind of normative patronising I
 don't like when posted to PDML. For one simple reason; it has nothing
 to do with the photograph. Whose problem is it? Shel's or mine?
 
  It is easy to look down on someone, but, perhaps more difficult to
 show
  empathy and understanding until you've experienced some of what
 they've
  experienced.  Clearly you have not, or, if you have, you have a
 short
  memory.
 
 Whoa... Am I the only one making assumptions today?
 
  Thanks for the scanning tip.
 
 Pleasure!
 I'll make sure to look carefully at facial expressions hereafter.
 
 Jostein
 
 
 
  Shel
 
 
   [Original Message]
   From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   Portraits of the Less Fortunate, as Shel calls them, can be
   interesting. With Shel's intro it seems like we're supposed to
 feel
   sorry for this lady, for all the obvious social reasons.This photo
   fails to provoke such emotions with me. She's just an obese woman,
   smoking and munching junk food on the pavement. There's no eye
   contact, and the lady looks grumpy. Possibly with the
 photographer's
   presence?
 
 
 




Re: Lunar Eclipse Tonight

2004-10-27 Thread Badri A
Hi, 

I think I'm going to try to shoot it too.. Moonrise here (California)
is at 6 pm and totality is between 7.23 pm and 8.45 pm.. I guess I'll
try to shoot the onset of totality when the moon is lower in the sky. 
It's cloudy here too, though, and there's a thunderstorm forecast - I
hope that doesn't hit!

Any suggestions on exposure?

Thanks
Badri

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:43:46 -0600, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yep... and I'm planning on shooting it... the weather is supposed to be
 partly cloudy in these parts tonight, which should allow for some interest



Re: Lunar Eclipse under way!

2004-10-27 Thread Badri A
Wish I had that luck!  It's completely clouded over here and I can't
even see the eclipse!

I don't have a long tele, so I was planning to try multiple exposures
using an old beat-up Yashica A TLR - well, maybe next time!

Do show us what you get, Mark.. Badri



On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:55:11 -0400, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
  Absolutely clear skies and a great view of the moon from my bedroom
  window!
  ist-D, Sigma EX 300/2.8 and 2x teleconverter in operation here.
  :-)



Re: Lunar Eclipse under way!

2004-10-27 Thread Badri A
Amazing pic, Mark!  Thanks for sharing. 

btw check out http://www.mreclipse.com/LEphoto/LEphoto.html

it has some really nice hints for photographing eclipses (the site
appears to be down right now), especially 'eclipse trails' or multiple
exposures

Badri



Re: So What's So Great About HCB?

2004-08-06 Thread Badri A
I don't see how the marketing of photojournalism as art or otherwise
has anything to do with the merit of the photographer, HCB or anyone
else.  Any reasonably discerning viewer would know to judge the piece
in question based on what it is, not what it is claimed to be.   Do
you really believe what the ads tell you? How does it matter if the
consuming majority or the media or the pretentious little photographer
himself calls it the next best thing after the Mona Lisa?  You can
resent it but should it affect your judgement of the artwork?

I know the evaluation of art is subjective, but I thought that means
it depends on the what the viewer 'feels' about it, not what he or she
thinks of the artist.

Badri



On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:08:55 +0200, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, but that doesn't prevent such images being prized and judged on
artistic merrits. At photographs are being marketed or published as
art in spite of being accidental snapshots, not a product of an
unique or sensitive vision, the whole thing becomes highly
speculative, as often is the case with excessive violence in the
media.
 
 
 Pål



Re: PESO: Grace...

2004-08-06 Thread Badri A
How about a collage, they're all damn good :)  If you're only going to
use one, I'd pick # 2.  All three are cute but the direct eye contact
in # 2 makes it my pick.

Good job!
Badri



Re: PAW - Gail

2004-08-05 Thread Badri A
Excellent street-shot!  

I've been there so many times, and yet, I've never 'seen' this image. 
Since we're talking a lot about HCB today, it is as he said: 'So few
people really look - I mean search with their eyes. They identify,
Quick! Quick! But looking is questioning, searching. Questioning the
relationship of one thing to another and enjoying.'

Thanks,
Badri



Re: Depth of Field Calculator

2004-08-04 Thread Badri A
Here's another DOF calculator, the page specifies the CoC values used. 

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/dofcalc.html



Re: PESO - Floating leaves

2004-08-04 Thread Badri A
Hi Jostein

 Um... Apparently, water reflects the sun at a different angle. If I

That makes sense..

 though, and rejected it because i lost the reflections...:-)

It's a great shot just as you have made it! 
Badri



Re: PESO - Floating leaves

2004-08-03 Thread Badri A
Cool abstract, you do have an excellent eye for these Jostein!  I must
agree, however, that I liked 'Waves' better.

Not sure I understand how the leaves reflect the sunlight when the
water surface doesn't?  Shouldn't the water reflect better?  The only
explanation I can come up with is that stagnant water on the leaves
reflects better than the water which is being perturbed by the
ripples.

Also wonder if a lower camera position would have made for a better perspective?

Great shot,
Badri



Re: MZ50 (or maybe 60) vs MZ5n viewfinder

2004-08-01 Thread Badri A
Hi, 

I don't suppose there's a (pro) fix to make my (newbie) ZX-M
viewfinder any better?  I've never used any other MF body but I know
from comparing specs that it's small, and not terribly bright.  It's
also got specks of dust on it, but the screen's 'fixed' so I don't
know if it's cleanable.  I love the split-image focussing, but the
microprism collar is useless and a pain.

Thanks
Badri

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:30:00 -0700, Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just remove the screen and blow of the dust. You might even fit a MZ-M
 screen for split image.



Re: MZ50 (or maybe 60) vs MZ5n viewfinder

2004-08-01 Thread Badri A
the SF story graywolf mentions is 'A Feeling of Power' by Isaac
Asimov, I think.  A lowly technician 'discovers' division and the
military gets interested in the human algebra project because of the
potential of having 'unmachined' combat vehicles that'd give them the
competitive edge.  Asimov could never resist a little satire, I guess.



Re: MZ50 (or maybe 60) vs MZ5n viewfinder

2004-08-01 Thread Badri A
Thanks, Don.  I'll try it when I'm feeling brave enough.. Badri.

 There's a small release clip hiding behind the mirror bumper foam that
 releases the focusing screen.
 A paper clip with a bent end works to release it.



Re: PESO: waves

2004-07-29 Thread Badri A
Superb abstract.  I love it!  Badri.

  Hi,
 
  Just back from a family holiday at my parents' cottage. Lots to do
  entertaining the kids, thinning undergrowth and picking berries in the



Re: PAW - LU Window

2004-07-23 Thread Badri A
Brian's right, this image has all the potential for being an 'optical
illusion' demo.

I'm wondering what the original image looks like, with detail in the
background instead of pure black?

Neat work.
Badri

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:17:50 -0500, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cool shot.
 Norm




zx-m/mz-m metering questions

2004-07-14 Thread Badri A
Hi, 

I am a novice photographer, learning the game with a ZX-M (MZ-M in
Europe, I believe) behind a SMC-A 50/2 lens (I own no other equipment
whatsoever, though I intend to get a tripod and maybe a flash).

The manual says it does 'Multi (2)-segment metering' if the lens has
an information contact (KA and subsequent mounts) but reverts to
'Center-weighted metering' for K mount lenses (SMC, SMC-M).  Further,
Center-weighted metering results in 1-stop overexposure and hence the
user should compensate (or leave the aperture ring on A).

Two questions: one, what is 2-segment metering?  Does anyone know
which areas in the viewfinder comprise the segments, or is there an
easy way to find out?  Are the two segments weighted equally or
differently when calculating the (average) exposure?  Second, I can't
figure out why center-weighting results in 1-stop overexposure.  Could
someone illuminate me?

Some more questions: the camera can't pass information to a K mount
lens, hence Tv and P modes don't work.  Then how would setting the
aperture at A work?  The camera (presumably) can't stop the aperture
down as required.

Finally, how does flash metering work in the ZX-M?  I am totally
ignorant about using flashes: how do I set exposure when using a
flash?  Can I use a Pentax flash (say AF220T) as a fill flash?

Thanks,
Badri



Re: zx-m/mz-m metering questions

2004-07-14 Thread Badri A
Thanks, Don.  I see what you mean now: I thought the 50/1.2 was quoted
as an example for all SMC/SMC-M (i.e. K mount) lenses.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:40:23 -0500, Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can answer one of those.