Re: reagan cortege
Stop pretending to be me. DagT På 13. jun. 2004 kl. 17.37 skrev Dag T: You play with fire, you get burned. It's not like you didn't ask for it you damn fool idiot. Do you think you can just insult people without consequences??? YOu're a bigger idiot than anyone on this list if you think thats the case Anthony!!! Dag T På 13. jun. 2004 kl. 18.57 skrev Dag T: -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: reagan cortege This is very weird. My original message is not in the mail archives, and I never received it back. Did anyone receive it? The Man of a Thousand Email Addresses apparently did, and forged a response from Dag in a transparent and feeble attempt to get me offside with Dag, with whom I've never had a cross word. Shawn, you are no Machiavelli, it's pathetic that you even try. You sad git. no regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 2:33 AM Subject: RE: reagan cortege Heh, More stupid comments from his highness the king of stupid. (LOL) Dag T -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: reagan cortege In my mind's eye it's his knuckles that are dragging along the forest floor ;-) regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) You can go back to dragging branches around the forest floor now. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: PAW: Venus - of course
Thanks! This is, in fact a little bit more complicated. In stead of a pin hole I used a monocular to project the image to the floor. It makes the process a bit more simple, but the principle is the same. DagT På 11. jun. 2004 kl. 18.02 skrev Gonz: That is awesome! I remember as a kid seeing this effect in my grandmother's house, which had tiny little holes in the clay tile roof, and let the sun in, creating little images on the ground, complete with very clear sun spots and clouds etc. I didn't know at the time I was looking at a crude camera... Thanks for sharing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..passing by my living room... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2435150size=lg DagT
Re: PAW: Venus - of course - and Shawn
Thanks, to you and all the rest of you who have taken the time to comment. Because of Shawns use of my email address I will be quite for a while. With the kids I don´t have much time anyway. But to those who are uncertain of what was me, I never use a space between the g and the T in the signature. DagT PS: Yes, I´m sorry, I do have a problem with Neanderthal brutes using height and weight to support the arguments, so I guess it is partially my own fault. På 11. jun. 2004 kl. 22.06 skrev Steve Desjardins: Cleverly done. That aside, it's actually a pretty striking photo.
Re: reagan cortege
Well, it may have been stupid, but it made him angry enough to steal the email address. Sorry :-) DagT På 12. jun. 2004 kl. 18.32 skrev Anthony Farr: Hey, you can insult a guy, but that was just idiotic, sorry man. Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: reagan cortege AHAHAHAHAHA That is funny!!! Who's it about?? AHAHAH ITS EVEN FUNNIER!!! (This is a sarcastic joke because you think you need a professional psychologist to understand you.) DagT På 12. jun. 2004 kl. 18.17 skrev Shawn K.: AHAHAHAHAHA That is funny!!! Who's it about?? ME ??? AHAHAH ITS EVEN FUNNIER!!! (This is a sarcastic joke for those of you prone to amateur psychological rants) -Shawn -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: reagan cortege LOL regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: Re: reagan cortege (snip) there should be a comma between your face and your asshole. As written, it means you have an asshole on your face.
Re: reagan cortege
På 12. jun. 2004 kl. 23.18 skrev Cotty: More stupid comments from his highness the king of stupid. (LOL) Dag T Blimey, it takes a fair bit to rattle a Norwegian's cage! Cheers, Cotty Especially since this is one of Shawns fake emails. :-) DagT
Re: reagan cortege
My g... how pathetic. It reminds me of some really bad B-movie. This isn´t barbaric. The barbarians had a civilization, but you don´t. DagT På 11. jun. 2004 kl. 03.28 skrev Shawn K.: You'd break your leg kicking my hard ass tough guy. I've fought tougher than you before, and would welcome a good scuffle, I always did feel good after a fight, mainly because I won, and because it's in my blood to fight. It's notable that you say all that you said like you're just the toughest mofo on earth, then you go and ignore me. Pretty weak William Robb. My right hand has met more jaws than you can probably count, and it has the broken bones and scars to prove it... And before you go commenting on what a barbarian I am, remember that I have a computer degree, a bachelors for that matter, so even us barbarians can learn to use fancy shmancy computers. -Shawn
PAW - -Cup and Candle
While everybody else is at GFM... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2411256size=lg DagT
Re: PAW: Drop
På 15. mai. 2004 kl. 08.11 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! dcn Being bored on the train dcn http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2360305size=lg My wife's response: so what's the point? (loosely translated from Russian g). DT The point of making the picture? DT Because I like these small details that we overlook. The silent DT details, the boring things :-) Hmmm, indeed the ends were quite loose here. I suppose she meant - what was the point of the image? What you were trying to say? She appears to approve my explanation. As I said. To describe something small and silent. It is not how we learn to photograph. We learn to look for the spectacular image. Sometimes I look for something else. DagT
Re: PAW: Drop
I hear both of you. Yes I realize that it is not perfect, but that´s where the comments come in. I need to find out what it is. Thanks both of you for taking your time to tell me what you think. DagT På 15. mai. 2004 kl. 08.33 skrev TMP: I hear you Frank. I WANT to love this one, but there seems to just be something missing. Dag, I *think* that for me, it is the drop. I completely understand that when you are on a train, you can't exactly be picky about drops BUT in retrospect, if the opportunity ever arises again... lol. I would have liked to see a larger bit at the bottom - a nice big, heavy teardrop to show how it has worked its way down the window... iykwim? hmmm, I also tend to agree with Frank here on one other thing - I am not articulating well either, in fact, I sound like I am full of, well, you know what. But anyways, I think it is a cool shot, and I thankyou for sharing it with us! tan. -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2004 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Drop I'm just not sure about this one. What? What's that? Here's a photo of Dag's that frank doesn't absolutely love? Well, I guess they do exist... vbg It's not a bad photo, Dag. Far from it. It has potential. But, it just doesn't turn my crank. And, I don't know what it is that, for me, is missing. You know, all the components are there. Out of focus background. I like the sharp focus on the window pane (even the scratches on the glass that are always on train windows - great detail), the drop is neat. I keep asking myself, what's missing. It's like I need something else, something to pull it all together. I'm not articulating well, I know that. But, I want it to work. It just won't work all the way. It must be me. Let's go see what everyone else thought now. cheers, frank ps: Upon further reflection, I think it would be really neat as a series of similar shots, all with the drop (maybe even the same one, taken sequentially) in a different position. I think that would work. Just a silly thought... -ft The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: Drop Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:56:27 +0200 Being bored on the train http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2360305size=lg DagT _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Drop
Maybe the same that I did when I made it :-) Actually, a friend of mine reacted by interpreting it like this. It has been raining, but now the sun is coming. I want to get outside, but I can´t. ...which is pretty close to the truth. OK, the idea needs more work, but as someone likes it, maybe it is worth another try. Thanks to Shel, as well as Frank :-) DagT På 15. mai. 2004 kl. 14.12 skrev frank theriault: Shel, I mean no disrespect to Dag's photo here, but: What were you smoking last night? LOL -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Drop Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 00:10:35 -0700 Hi Dag ... Well, Frank and Tan are wrong. They wouldn't know a good drop if ... well, if it dropped right on them LOL Seriously, this is a great shot for several reasons. First, it captures the randomness of all drops, it represents the unique properties of every drop while, at the same time, standing by itself, apart from all other drops. It's perhaps symbolic of the significance, and insignificance, of drops. Unique, yet nothing special, and that, of course, is what gives it its special qualities. That a drop of water so small can be so deep in its ability to represent ennui while at the same time relieving ennui is a remarkable characteristic, a duality that's rarely seen in photographs, be they landscapes, macro or micro photographs, human interest, or even street photography. To be able to have captured a thing so basic and natural using modern digital technology, juxtaposing the mundane with high tech, making the unnoticed noticed, giving depth and meaning to a drop of water, so basic a substance, and elevating it to art, is an undertaking that most would find daunting. Yet, seemingly with ease and great aplomb, you've done just that. An amazing piece of creativity. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: TMP [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/14/2004 11:35:03 PM Subject: RE: PAW: Drop I hear you Frank. I WANT to love this one, but there seems to just be something missing. Dag, I *think* that for me, it is the drop. I completely understand that when you are on a train, you can't exactly be picky about drops BUT in retrospect, if the opportunity ever arises again... lol. I would have liked to see a larger bit at the bottom - a nice big, heavy teardrop to show how it has worked its way down the window... iykwim? hmmm, I also tend to agree with Frank here on one other thing - I am not articulating well either, in fact, I sound like I am full of, well, you know what. But anyways, I think it is a cool shot, and I thankyou for sharing it with us! tan. -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2004 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Drop I'm just not sure about this one. What? What's that? Here's a photo of Dag's that frank doesn't absolutely love? Well, I guess they do exist... vbg It's not a bad photo, Dag. Far from it. It has potential. But, it just doesn't turn my crank. And, I don't know what it is that, for me, is missing. You know, all the components are there. Out of focus background. I like the sharp focus on the window pane (even the scratches on the glass that are always on train windows - great detail), the drop is neat. I keep asking myself, what's missing. It's like I need something else, something to pull it all together. I'm not articulating well, I know that. But, I want it to work. It just won't work all the way. It must be me. Let's go see what everyone else thought now. cheers, frank ps: Upon further reflection, I think it would be really neat as a series of similar shots, all with the drop (maybe even the same one, taken sequentially) in a different position. I think that would work. Just a silly thought... -ft The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: Drop Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:56:27 +0200 Being bored on the train http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2360305size=lg DagT _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Drop
Hi På 14. mai. 2004 kl. 15.55 skrev Boris Liberman: dcn Being bored on the train dcn http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2360305size=lg My wife's response: so what's the point? (loosely translated from Russian g). The point? What point? :-) That´s at least two questions. The point of showing it? To get comments like your g Also, it is PAW, so it has to be something I´ve done the last few days... The point of making the picture? Because I like these small details that we overlook. The silent details, the boring things :-) My response: bored you are. It shows. Except bore which is mentioned by you, it does nothing to me. That´s OK Well, at least you got two comments in one message... g Thanks g DagT
Re: infinitycameras.com
Take a look at this: http://www.resellerratings.com/seller_info.pl?seller_id=2684 DagT På 12. mai. 2004 kl. 19.06 skrev Timothy Sherburne: Hello all... Can anyone vouch for the integrity this outfit? Not to get everyone too excited, but they have *ist-D bodies for $1020. No DA lenses from what I could tell. The price seems too good, and I suspect they may be selling gray-market bodies that may have warrantee complications. Any thoughts? t
Re: how gravity works...
På 10. mai. 2004 kl. 14.14 skrev Cotty: Also, could an anti-gravity drive work by simply blocking that exchange of gravitons. Stay tuned for further announcements. :) Possibly. But what would you build the blocking screen from? Easy. Deck plates from the Enterprise. No, no, this is the wrong approach. Consider what we know: Time slows down under heavy gravity, it has even been measured at different altitudes on earth. So, if we make time go faster, we should weaken gravity. What makes time go faster? Having fun! So, by having a great time you levitate. We all know that is true! You should try it at GFM! DagT
Re: PAW #10 - First cooperation
Thanks! And of course, we will continue playing. DagT På 7. mai. 2004 kl. 22.28 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! Dag, your son should be encouraged. He has a point here g... Let us see more of fruits of your cooperation. The start is quite promising. g Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAW #8 Play
På 8. mai. 2004 kl. 21.08 skrev Boris Liberman: Dag, you're very creative. Thank you :-) Sometimes I think I should concentrate more on one theme Nonetheless g, I do think that foot (yours?) in the right bottom corner does not belong... Well, I don´t think I agree. I liked the small hint of a story. It is his little brother, by the way... DagT
Re: PAW: Do not disturb
På 7. mai. 2004 kl. 19.10 skrev Ann Sanfedele: Dag T wrote: I hate hotel rooms... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2342795size=lg :-) DagT Me too! However, I have a kinda charming counterpart to yours - that is, probably something you would find more appealing and shot with the same kind of geometry , so to speak - I'll try to PAW it soon, but I'm buried under a pile of household problems at the moment. :-) I know some nice hotel rooms too, especially in small french villages. But I usually don´t get that kind on business trips. I like the shot -but womdering if you did a horizontal take on it too -- with maybe a bit more to the right and without the soft focus whatever it is in the left hand corner... The bag (the thing in the corner) was put there to make the rest even more sterile. I didn´t get a horisontal shot, the composition didn´t fit, and I would have needed a wider lens. I really look forward to the 14mm... Thanks for commenting! DagT
Re: PAW: Do not disturb
På 7. mai. 2004 kl. 22.05 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! Dag, this photo leaves me indifferent. I don't travel much and hence I don't have any particular feelings towards hotels and rooms therein g... So I suppose I should say this photo does not work for me... That´s OK, I can understand why... DagT
Re: PAW: Do not disturb
På 8. mai. 2004 kl. 00.22 skrev frank theriault: Really, Dag? You hate hotel rooms? I love 'em. Probably because I've not been in all that many of them. When I'm in one, it means I'm on vacation (I've never had to travel for business). This was a business trip, last weekend :-) I get to bring beer and chips up to the room, and lie down on the bed, and watch TV and eat and drink. Then, someone comes in the next morning to clean it all up. Does life get any better than that? I think not! I can think of something! Something involving company... I really like your photo, btw. It's bare and austere, like many hotel rooms. Almost monochrome, except for that yellow ticket. Beautiful compostion. Lovely use of the reflection in the mirror - you've got 1/2 the door in the mirror and 1/2 the mirror is clear. It's all so clinical and without soul. If hotels fill you with despair and emptiness, then that's what you caught in this photo. Great shot!! Thanks, with three small children at home I hate going away, especially to this kind of places, so I guess I succeeded. Thanks! From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: Do not disturb Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:52:57 +0200 I hate hotel rooms... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2342795size=lg :-) DagT _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Saturday Survey
På 25. apr. 2004 kl. 01.19 skrev Mark Roberts: OK, here's a new question: What camera or lens have you bought that you regretted purchasing? I'll go first because my answer will startle you at first: Pentax A20/2.8 (Now the other shoe drops). because now that I have an ist-D I wish I'd bought the autofocus version, the FA20/2.8 instead. Well, I bought mine two ears ago, and yes, I now want the AF version :-) But it is still a great lens, and I´ve still got the LX (and ME Super), but most important I´ve got some picture I am satisfied with the lens. I think my priority will be the 14mm, as I miss the field of view. I do regret buying any zoom (anybody want an A 24-50 and A70-210?) as I never use them. DagT
Re: where is the crossing line ?
To me that line is nonexistent. Photos have been altered in the dark room from the beginning. Also, any decision you make before or during the exposure is a manipulation, as I have illustrated in this folder of unmanipulated photos: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=366144 So photos have never been proof. They have only been an illustration of what a person has claimed to be the truth. If the person lies, so does the photo. Maybe you could say that the lines goes in how I use the photo. If I say that is tells the truth, it should of course do so, according to my subjective opinion. DagT På 24. apr. 2004 kl. 07.36 skrev Markus Maurer: Hi Cotty that's an interesting point for me: Where is the crossing line for manipulating photos? And has there to be one? Times where a photo was a proof are long gone. I feel already like cheating a bit if I change anything on a photo, even cropping. I don't know why actually. I will answer more on your comments later Markus
Re: Pentax A20/2.8 Query
It is a great lens. Here´s some examples: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=83826 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=72128 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=71919 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=71209 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=59814 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=57280 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=50426 I don´t write down the technical details, so I can´t help you there. DagT På 25. apr. 2004 kl. 06.25 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Goes anyone have a full-frame photo that they can post that was made with the above lens? I'd love to see one. If no pics are available, any comments on the quality, sharpness - center and edges - light falloff, and so on. Thanks!
Re: Pentax A20/2.8 Query
How large do you want it :-) I´ve got a 60MB 16bit TIFF-file with 3816x2604 pixels scanned with a Minolta Elite II scanner, but I have to send it by mail... DagT På 25. apr. 2004 kl. 17.30 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Some very nice pics, there ;-)) Do you have a large one of this: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=71209 which I REALLY like quite a bit. It seems to have just the elements I'm looking for in order to make a comparison to my 20mm and 18mm Thanks! Dag T wrote: It is a great lens. Here´s some examples: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=83826 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=72128 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=71919 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=71209 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=59814 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=57280 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=50426 I don´t write down the technical details, so I can´t help you there. DagT På 25. apr. 2004 kl. 06.25 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Goes anyone have a full-frame photo that they can post that was made with the above lens? I'd love to see one. If no pics are available, any comments on the quality, sharpness - center and edges - light falloff, and so on. Thanks!
Re: PAW - Just some kids hanging out
I really like this. Relaxed, some of them just ignore you others give you a smile, but they really just let you be. DagT På 24. apr. 2004 kl. 19.46 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Perhaps you remember this gang from an earlier pic. Here they are again, hanging out on the sidewalk in San Francisco's Mission District one summer afternoon. Comments and crits are always welcome. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/paw/justkids.html
Re: OT - Rare Alert: a Mac virus!
På 18. apr. 2004 kl. 16.23 skrev Cotty: http://www.intego.com/news/pr40.html Cheers, Cotty Thanks, Cotty. Both Mac users have been alerted. -- John Mustarde LOL. So there's someone other than me! Cheers, Cotty Sure, me too Thanks for the information! DagT
Re: PAW #7 Easter paw
Thank you Paul, Frank, Tanya and everybody else for your kind comments! Glad you liked it. DagT På 18. apr. 2004 kl. 14.14 skrev Paul Stenquist: I like the dark background, and the rich color. Great composition and framing. From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #7 Easter paw Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:49:54 +0200 My wife bought them yesterday... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2271481size=lg DagT _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #8 Play
Thanks for your comment! The reason for letting the detail be in the image was almost exactly what you describe. I´ve always learnt to remove everything but the main object, but sometimes this leaves esthetic, but empty pictures. So I wanted too leave some clues about the place and situation, in a home, with little brother watching, without loosing the abstract shape. I guess there is a minimalist disorder in the image :-) Regarding the title, the picture was shown another place without a title, so more was left to the details. Thanks again for taking you time. I appreciated this comment a lot. DagT På 18. apr. 2004 kl. 21.22 skrev Mark Cassino: The sense of motion in the main subject is great - very cool! In regards to the details along the edges - they seem to provide more of a set and setting than just a plain wood floor, so they seem to add to the shot, but I don't know if they really contribute a lot to the image. Without the details we'd know nothing about this spinning person - maybe they are hanging from the yardarm on a boat. With the details there is a _sense_ of setting and we know that they are not alone, but there are no clues that really set it in a theatrical setting. Your title does more to set the scene in that regard than the visual details. But, including them is the right choice, IMO. (One exception - the white bar on the red carpet is more of a distraction than anything else, since it is not recognizable as anything in particular.) Since the details were left in intentionally - what is the intent behind them? - MCC At 06:43 PM 4/18/2004 +0200, you wrote: I´m a little late, so I have to use an old one (2 weeks :-). I have had very different reactions to this. The details along the edges of the photo are there intentionally, but not everybody like them. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2295716size=lg DagT - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: HAPPY EASTER!!
På 11. apr. 2004 kl. 19.00 skrev frank theriault: All you regulars know what's coming vbg: http://www.nrg666.com/pdml/portraits/pages/FrankTheriault.htm So Where are the eggs? Happy easter to you to! DagT
Re: April PUG - comments - looooong
That´s what I thought, but I wish you hadn´t told us :-) DagT På 11. apr. 2004 kl. 13.13 skrev Frits Wüthrich: Tanya, Your guess is correct. I was in doubt whether or not to submit this to the PUG, but it is so abstract that I thought it was probably OK. Glad you like it. Frits On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 01:53, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Frits, is that somebody's bottom? Very cool shot! How clever you are to think of doing that! I LOVE it! tan. -Original Message- From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2004 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: April PUG - comments - long On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 22:58, Dag T wrote: The April PUG has drowned in Easter Holiday (at least in Norway), PAW and a link that is hard to find, so I think it is my turn to go through the list. Here it is: http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr/ We´ll se how far I get. Frits J. Wüthrich - Double curved I really like this one. I think I see a part of a body, but I´m not sure. A little mystery is nice. - ...and that´s all for today DagT Thanks DagT. I used Photoshop to increase the contrast, to make it as abstract as possible. It is my first submission for the PUG for which I made a photograph, for all previous ones I used a photograph I already had. I also look at this as the start of a project with this technique, I'll see how far I get with this. -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: April PUG - comments - looooong
På 10. apr. 2004 kl. 09.05 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! DT Boris Liberman - In the sand DT Strange curves in the sand. I don´t really understand it, but that DT doesn´t matter. I think it would hav been better if the curves in the DT background had been repeated in the plant front. Or maybe concentrated DT on the curve in the background. Thanks Dag. Now, I don't understand it either. I suppose there was some creature living in this sand hole g... I don't know. I rather liked to geometric contrast between the curve and a tiny plant. Unfortunately this has been one of my PAW submissions and I made a bad mistake of submitting it to PUG too. I would try to not let it happen again. Well, as I missed it the first time I don´t complain :-) DagT
Re: April PUG - comments - looooong
På 9. apr. 2004 kl. 23.11 skrev Tanya Mayer Photography: In regards to Dag T's PUG pic, Jostein wrote: You're damn good with shapes, Dag. This one is no exception. I saw something in your shot that... erm... does not belong on a family list, and of course it's all in my dirty mind...:-) I am ashamed to admit that I saw it too Jostein - in fact, it was almost the first thing that I noticed about the pic. *eek* Well, that was intentional, so I´m wondering where the dirty mind is ;-) There's also the fruity dimension of it, the complimentary colours, and the nice shine in the red shape. I can't think of anything I would have done differently, but then again, I can't think of myself coming up with a photographic idea like that either... All I can say is well thought and well executed. Again, I totally agree with Jostein here, a very cool shot Dag, you have wonderful creative vision. Thanks to both of you! DagT
Re: April PUG - comments - looooong
På 11. apr. 2004 kl. 16.34 skrev frank theriault: Dag, First of all, thanks for taking the time to comment on all of the PUG images this month. I know, it's quite an undertaking! Somebody´s got to do it :-) And, thanks for commenting on my photo. It was really quite tongue-in-cheek, but I have to say, I thought there was something a bit different, or maybe even a bit interesting to it. What caught my eye first was the toothbrush, something you don't usually see on the street. Then, as I looked through the viewfinder, I thought, what the heck, take the picture. This is what I saw, and liked. It is not easy to make so relaxed photos. The absurd combination of objects is an image, and the lines combining is nicely used. DagT
April PUG - comments - looooong
The April PUG has drowned in Easter Holiday (at least in Norway), PAW and a link that is hard to find, so I think it is my turn to go through the list. Here it is: http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr/ We´ll se how far I get. Herb Chong - Mistaya Canyon Beautiful, I see the shape of a woman in the stream. What I don´t like is the green branches to the left, but I don´t think it is an important fault. Max McRae - Triple S Bends Funny, but the purple flowers above one of the heads draw to much attention. Also, I think I´d prefer to see more of the ducks and less of the space above their heads. The curves would be more complete that way. Martin Albrecht - Turning snail He´s making a sharp curve there :-) Nice, sharp macro, the composition underlines the movement. Alastair Robertson - Salvia Leaves Nice, soft colours, but I miss some main subject. The attention is now concentrated on three independent parts of the image, so my eyes don´t know were to settle down. Wendy Beard - Tulip Nice colours, but there is something missing in the composition. I think I would have cropped it down to the upper part of the main leaf. Bob Sullivan - Cyclamen Elegant composition, soft colours, but maybe at bit dark. Also, maybe the background should have had more colour, some contrast, but I´m not sure. It could ruin the elegance. Henk Terhell - Curves in Red on White. Nice, great shapes and curves in something that most of us have seen, but overlooked. Dag Thrane -( I leave this one to you :-) Boris Liberman - In the sand Strange curves in the sand. I don´t really understand it, but that doesn´t matter. I think it would hav been better if the curves in the background had been repeated in the plant front. Or maybe concentrated on the curve in the background. Zoomshot - Lovely bunch Repeated shapes (and curves) and good light, but maybe a bit too much... Paul Stenquist - Fruit Salad Same here, and the colours are too warm. I miss a contrasting colour here. Frits J. Wüthrich - Double curved I really like this one. I think I see a part of a body, but I´m not sure. A little mystery is nice. E.R.N. Reed - Untitled Hey, why on earth did you choose this crop. Weird, but I like it. It is an open image that shows us that you don´t need to show everything. (How and when do we start fingering our glasses...) Cotty - Sorry Sorry, Cotty :-) Funny, but not so much more. But it gave me an idea. Try to write something with the curves tool, and see how it affects the pictures... Sven Keller - Bugeisen Hmmm, I wasn´t sure about this one, but after looking at it a few times I think I like it. The repeated shaped and poles, the light in the water and buildings behind. I think I would have changes the colour temperature a bit to the colder side, though... Pat Kong - Vrm I´m impressed, especially by the pilot :-) But nice capture, good timing. Hans Imglueck - Himmelsspuren I like the use of colours, blue sky in the dirt. Nice Christian Skofteland - USS Constellation Nice and colourful detail, but in my view there is something missing. I´m, just not sure what. César A. Matamoros II - Show car Great colours, but I think I´d prefer less DOF, just to concentrate on the shapes closest to the camera. Steve Jolly - Tiers Nice curves and colours, but I miss something extra, like a cat... Youri Shostak - Lightlines Great! I like the curves, the small brown area is great, but I miss a little extra contrast. Not so much that you miss the soft light, but just a little more. Gianfranco Irlanda - Galleria Umberto I Nice picture, to me it is also an optical illusion. I can´t decide if the round area extends toward me or away from me. I like that it is not 100% symmetric. Facit - Lugo, Galicia It makes me wonder what´s going on. The worlds largest postcard stand or some festival. Why no people? I guess the picture is successful because it makes me curious, even if it really is a straight forward shot. Mark Roberts - Royal Crescent, Bath, England Beautiful light, but I think I´d prefer more sky and less grass. Chris Stoddard - Roof of the Winter Garden Definitely curved, nice detail, but I do mss some main subject, some counterpoint in the image. A white bird in the blue sky, some foreground etc. Albano Garcia - Empty Very good light, it looks like a very nice place to sit down. DJE - Bike Tour Has anybody tried panning with a fisheye? Suddenly it sounds fun. Technically there is something missing, but that could be the scanning. The repetition of curves in the bridge and the road is good, the cyclists also, the only negative is maybe that there is a bit too much in the picture. I´m not sure about this picture. Paul Rojkov - The Bridge Massiv construction, but the photo doesn´t tell me much more than just that. Think about the foreground, and how it supports the main image. Amita Guha - Over the river This one is good. Nice tones, great depth, the head of the person is
PAW #7 Easter paw
My wife bought them yesterday... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2271481size=lg DagT
Re: PAW #6 Feather
Thanks, again! DagT På 2. apr. 2004 kl. 19.10 skrev frank theriault: Dag, You blow me away as usual. Is that tremendous detail, or what? I'm glad you told us it's a feather, because I might not have known otherwise. A wonderful abstract work. Art found in the mundane; art made so by the eye and composition of the photgrapher. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #6 Feather Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:08:14 +0200 I've been trying to limit the PAW to pictures taken the last few days. I almost didn't make it this week, but then I found this yesterday: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2254584size=lg DagT _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #6 Feather
Well, I don´t think I agree.. Too close will loose the contrast between the straight line and the curve. But it is, of course, a matter of taste. Marnie would like to see more of the feather, not less :-) DagT På 3. apr. 2004 kl. 02.36 skrev Kenneth Waller: Photographically (exposure focus) this image appears to be right on. IMHO the composition is too static for me, especially with the center of the feather running parallel to the horizontal edges. Concentrating on the out of formation part of the feather, in the lower center presents a more interesting image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #6 Feather I've been trying to limit the PAW to pictures taken the last few days. I almost didn't make it this week, but then I found this yesterday: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2254584size=lg DagT
Re: PAW #6 Feather
Thanks, glad you liked it!. DagT På 5. apr. 2004 kl. 19.59 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! Dag, first I was watching it load. And thinking to myself - well, another excellent macro, but nothing more. And then came the bottom piece with the background. And then I thought to myself - now, that's quite exquisite... Your shot appeals to me with its geometry. Which by the way, would make presenting my next PAW a little easier g... Thanks! Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: One more PAW
Well, the first impression is the trees in the foreground. I think I would have tried to use the foreground more in the composition. Find some lines that point at the building, past the trees. The other option is to go closer. There are lots of interesting reflections here, and the outline of the building is not the most interesting part, so why not omit it? Some concrete part with the abstract reflections towering above it is what I would look for. But of course, that is a very different image. This one is good, but could use some more contrast, I think, in the building. DagT På 5. apr. 2004 kl. 20.03 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! I know I am posting a little too often. But then I haven't been posting PAWs for quite some time before that. Anyway - here's Mark Cassino's K 24/2.8 on Leon Altov's ME Super with some Kodak TMAX 400 loaded in it g. I have some particular question to the wizards of Land of Pentax: You see, I've been told numerous times that this is a very good picture. Nonetheless, I would like to hear how it can be improved provided that I don't have wider lens than K 24/2.8... Please notice also that I've applied some perspective correction. I've left a little falling effect in, so that IMHO the impression still would be that one is looking from below on this building... So, I'd appreciate suggestions as to how to improve, as I am sure it could be improved... And now the link: http://boris.isra-shop.com/local/paw/clal.jpg Thanks in advance. Boris
Re: PAW #5 - Sludd
På 28. mar. 2004 kl. 19.48 skrev Boris Liberman: DT which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow: DT http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042size=lg Mokryj Sneg - Wet Snow is the Russian term. Sounds wet, even in Russian. Dry snow is nice, you can brush it off before entering a house, rain is OK, a good coat can handle it, but sludd is like rain with some glue on it. It sticks to the surface long enough to let the water penetrate almost anything... :-) Everything is moving in this photograph. The snow, the rain (the sludd?! g), the people, the photographer himself... Thanks, that was what I was trying to tell... This is high fidelity image, if you know what I mean. I almost want to run for a rain coat... I´m not sure if I know what you mean, but I consider it a compliment :-) So, how you *istD came out of this experience? It handled it OK, even though it got a bit wet. Thanks to its small size and low weight (with a 50mm 1.4 attached to it) I managed to hold an umbrella as well DagT
PAW #5 - Sludd
which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042size=lg DagT
Re: My own DOF confusion
I think I prefer reading Marx to define Marxism... DagT På 23. mar. 2004 kl. 16.07 skrev Collin Brendemuehl: To say that Hitler was not a Marxist is to not have studied him. He opposed religion in general, using Christians to oppose Jews and then secularizing the state, having the later goal of destroying the church that he (unfortunately) manipulated so well. He went so far as to remove SS marriages from being social/church events to being only civil events. This redefinition and secularization is common in all socialist Marxist system.s
Re: DOF and angle of view or focal length (long)
One problem is that if the CoC is much less than the usual number today, 0.035mm, the diffraction limit comes into play. With a CoC at half this value, 0.017mm, you will never achieve a sharp image with the aperture set at 22. DagT På 22. mar. 2004 kl. 17.18 skrev Peter J. Alling: The Circle of confusion required for an acceptable depth of field changes depending on the format. The smaller the sensor size, the smaller the cof must be. Also the desired enlargement factor should also be taken into account, (although that last is difficult). This unfortunately isn't hard science it's more like cooking.
Re: PAW#4: Kid
På 22. mar. 2004 kl. 20.49 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! DT I´ve got three of them, so I get some pictures of them. Boys will DT never be as cute as Shels daughter, but... Substituting Shel for Boris... g Sorry about that :-) DT http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2217012size=lg Dag, I really think that leaving a piece of his eyes out does hurt the frame. I wouldn't care about ears for example, but eyes - they make the whole frame and one of them is not fully there... I could produce various theories (a.k.a. excuses) why you might have wanted to leave a tip of an eye out, but I wouldn't. I'd rather ask you - why? To me it is simply because it adds some intensity to the image. Being unable to see the eye makes the face seem closer. I liked this intensity because it fits very much to his interest in what I was doing, or rather, the interest any child has in his parents. If I had left the eye uncropped (I do have a couple of more exposures with the whole eye) the kid would seem calm, which he wasn´t. I do appreciate the thought though. I almost feel like the only daughter photographer here... No offence to other fathers of daughters... Somebody has got to do it g. I´ve got three sons at 4.5, 2.5 and 1 year old, so that is my job... DagT
PAW#4: Kid
I´ve got three of them, so I get some pictures of them. Boys will never be as cute as Shels daughter, but... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2217012size=lg DagT
Re: PAW#4: Kid
Oooops! DagT :-) På 19. mar. 2004 kl. 20.03 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Hey ;-)) I don't have a daughter ... Dag T wrote: I´ve got three of them, so I get some pictures of them. Boys will never be as cute as Shels daughter, but... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2217012size=lg DagT
Re: PAW#4: Kid
I was thinking of Boris... På 19. mar. 2004 kl. 20.15 skrev Dag T: Oooops! DagT :-) På 19. mar. 2004 kl. 20.03 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Hey ;-)) I don't have a daughter ... Dag T wrote: I´ve got three of them, so I get some pictures of them. Boys will never be as cute as Shels daughter, but... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2217012size=lg DagT
Re: PAW #6: Tough Boy
Great shot! I like the expression as well as the balance you´ve obtained from the background and the things on the table. DagT På 19. mar. 2004 kl. 02.13 skrev frank theriault: Shooting from the hip. Uncropped I couldn't get the scan to come anywhere close to the print, for some reason. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2215439 As always, comments are encouraged and appreciated. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: OT: Mac OSX 10.3.3 and card readers
Do you use a firewire or USB card reader? DagT På 18. mar. 2004 kl. 14.21 skrev Paul Stenquist: Hi Cotty, It seems that only Lexar card readers have a problem with 10.3.3. I did repair the disk permissions. I spent an hour on the phone with an apple tech and he took me through a whole range of troubleshooting steps, even to the extent of pressing a reset button on the motherboard. I'm just going to download in system 9 and wait for a bug disk. I also have a sandisk reader at work. I'm going to bring that home tonight and try it here. Paul On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/3/04, PAUL S discumbobulated: I upgraded from OSX 10.3.2 to 10.3.3 this morning, and now my flash cards won't open on the OSX desktop. Fortunately, I have a dual system G4, so I can boot in 9.2 and download my files. I spent almost an hour on the phone with apple techs trying to work through the problem. They apparently don't have a fix. I expect a patch to appear on software update in a day or two. But OSX users who don't want to deal with the card reader problem might want to hold off on installing 10.3.3. Note: All my cards are Lexar. Others might be readable, but I doubt it. Paul Thanks for the heads-up Paul. I have the .3 update but was going to hold off for a few weeks in case anything obvious reared up. Now it has. Sorry for the obvious, but did you repair the disk permissions after you installed the update? FSCK in single user mode? I'll hunt about for any info I can find... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: OT: Mac OSX 10.3.3 and card readers
OK, I have a Lexar Firewire card reader, but no Lexar cards. I´m not sure if I should take the chance to upgrade from 10.3.2 yet... DagT På 18. mar. 2004 kl. 19.40 skrev Paul Stenquist: I was using the Lexar USB card reader that comes with their 1 gig cards. I'm going to try my sandisk reader tonight. I think the problem is restricted to Lexar. Dag T wrote: Do you use a firewire or USB card reader? DagT På 18. mar. 2004 kl. 14.21 skrev Paul Stenquist: Hi Cotty, It seems that only Lexar card readers have a problem with 10.3.3. I did repair the disk permissions. I spent an hour on the phone with an apple tech and he took me through a whole range of troubleshooting steps, even to the extent of pressing a reset button on the motherboard. I'm just going to download in system 9 and wait for a bug disk. I also have a sandisk reader at work. I'm going to bring that home tonight and try it here. Paul On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/3/04, PAUL S discumbobulated: I upgraded from OSX 10.3.2 to 10.3.3 this morning, and now my flash cards won't open on the OSX desktop. Fortunately, I have a dual system G4, so I can boot in 9.2 and download my files. I spent almost an hour on the phone with apple techs trying to work through the problem. They apparently don't have a fix. I expect a patch to appear on software update in a day or two. But OSX users who don't want to deal with the card reader problem might want to hold off on installing 10.3.3. Note: All my cards are Lexar. Others might be readable, but I doubt it. Paul Thanks for the heads-up Paul. I have the .3 update but was going to hold off for a few weeks in case anything obvious reared up. Now it has. Sorry for the obvious, but did you repair the disk permissions after you installed the update? FSCK in single user mode? I'll hunt about for any info I can find... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PAW#4: Just something I found....
Thank you Frank, and the others, for your comments! A nice thing about the *istD is that it is easy to bring along. It is compact and while it with film it was depressing to have to throw away a whole film of useless photos, I now can just delete and forget ... DagT På 13. mar. 2004 kl. 04.56 skrev frank theriault: It always amazes me that beauty can be found in the most mundane and unexpected of places - like quite literally under our feet. It amazes me even more that some people are able to see that hidden beauty, and record it in a way that is meaningful. Quite a lovely PAW, Dag. It pays to keep your eyes open, doesn't it? And then, to have a camera with you! cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW#4: Just something I found Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:53:58 +0100 ...outside our apartment: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2199777size=lg DagT _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #3 - Winter
Thanks again! (but master? Well... :-) Look carefully and you will see a small pun in most of my captions. The composition is reflected in the caption, in this case it is oT DagT På 7. mar. 2004 kl. 03.13 skrev frank theriault: ~Very~ cool, Dag (pun intended). You are a master at composition - taking the seemingly mundane, and making it look interesting in a photo. Stark, but that's why it's beautiful. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #3 - Winter Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:58:37 +0100 I shouldn´t, because I haven´t had time to look at your photos, but http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2186930size=lg DagT _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: What gear is on your lust list ?
På 7. mar. 2004 kl. 18.19 skrev Mark Erickson: So what's on your list? Always: A 15mm (especially after letting one chance go last year) A 135 1.8 After getting the *istD I have started thing about AF lenses, so: 31, 43 and 77mm (all black, of course :-) DA 16-45 DA 14 DagT
Re: PAW #3 - Winter
Does it matter :-) It is a tree and a round table with about 50cm snow on top of it... DagT På 6. mar. 2004 kl. 09.17 skrev Tanya Mayer Photography: DagT, cool pic, but what the heck is it?? tan. -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2004 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #3 - Winter I shouldn´t, because I haven´t had time to look at your photos, but http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2186930size=lg DagT
Re: PAW #3 - Winter
Thanks! Glad you liked it! I never though of marsmallows that way, but this soft, thick, new snow was something I loved as a child (now I had to remove it just to find my parents house, so I hated it :-) DagT På 6. mar. 2004 kl. 10.33 skrev Tanya Mayer Photography: That is amazing! What an absolutely phenomenal shot! It looks like a great big soft marshmallow! That is SUCH an optical illusion! I saw that you used a 50mm lens, and I honestly thought that it was something small (like the size of a marshmallow), and that the tree to the side was actually a part of a stick that you had placed there! I am amazed, what a thought provoking, technically superb (nothing blown out ANYWHERE, amongst all of that white!), and creative shot. Thanks so much for sharing it Dag T. LOVE it! tan. -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2004 6:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #3 - Winter Does it matter :-) It is a tree and a round table with about 50cm snow on top of it... DagT På 6. mar. 2004 kl. 09.17 skrev Tanya Mayer Photography: DagT, cool pic, but what the heck is it?? tan. -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2004 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW #3 - Winter I shouldn´t, because I haven´t had time to look at your photos, but http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2186930size=lg DagT
Re: PAW #3 - Winter
På 6. mar. 2004 kl. 19.57 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! DT I shouldn´t, because I haven´t had time to look at your photos, but I'd say you should. You know, if privilege of putting a shot to PAW would depend on how many other's shots one looked at and commented, then we'd be in big trouble... OK, it´s just me... DT http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2186930size=lg I really wonder how it would look if shot with proper b/w film. You know, with little effort, really little, almost no effort at all, I can see all of the boundary of that pile of snow on the table. What a wonderful exposure. Thanks! I think I could have done the same thing with b/w, but taking a bit more time. I was thinking the same that I do in the darkroom, pushing the highlights as far as I dare towards the light and adjusting the contrast to let the darkest part be almost black. As long as the contrast in the light parts of the picture is not too high the *istD performs nicely in snow. Pity, in this country of eternal warmth, such thing is virtually impossible to try... Well, I was wondering why I didn´t join my brother in Malaysia when I tried to make a path for my parents to get into their house or to get my car out of the snow, but you´re right, it is pretty and soft and the kids love it. What I didn´t realize was that this picture is more abstract in your part of the world than it is in mine :-) Tanks! DagT
Re: PAW #4 - Haley's Ring
Hey, I suspected that. I like the tones and intensity of the image. The hand is very good! DagT På 7. mar. 2004 kl. 00.13 skrev frank theriault: Paul, Go back and look again. You've missed something that I think is obvious (it's why the ring thing might raise some questions). If you don't know what you've missed, go back to the photo. I've answered it in my response to your comment on photo.net. Thanks for the comment. I'm pleased with the way it turned out. It's my first roll of Neopan 1600 pushed to 3200. The LX handled the exposure beautifully, IMHO (it was set to auto, aperture f2.0). thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #4 - Haley's Ring Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:38:58 -0500 Great shot, Frank. It hooked me immediately. I love the tonal range, the way the woman's eyes are closed, the spread of the man's hand. Super. On Mar 6, 2004, at 5:27 PM, frank theriault wrote: I was a bit late on week 3. Now I'm a bit early on week 4. Oh well. The Kiss was taken by Shel (and likely thousands before him), but I think it would have been a good title (have I whetted your appetite yet? g). So, I settled on Haley's Ring, a title that I hope raises more questions than it answers: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2188556 I'd really like to hear your comments on this one. Okay, Albano, the right body, and this time, the right brand of lens, okay? g cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE*http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: photography as art
På 5. mar. 2004 kl. 06.48 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Had to think about that for a bit. But then it came to me that the guys who make catalog sketches and such are considered artists. So why not photographers? Maybe because of the perception that anybody can do it? But then that is not true. Anybody can draw lines on paper but that does not make them an artist. It is only when the lines mak a meaningful picture that the person is considered an artist. I've always thought that the problem it is pretty hard to make a photograph of something that did not PHYSICALLY exist at the moment you triggered the shutter. You can imagine an elephant with 5 legs and paint it, but to photograph such a thing you'd actually have to make one somehow, or alter the photo after taking it. You can do tricky things with light that create an effect captured on film that never existed at one time in the real world, or multiple-exposure stuff, but straight photography is fairly limited by physical reality, which is not the case with other arts. Well, the point I tried making when referring to my unmanipulated photos was that they do, in fact, refer to the reality that existed in front of the camera during the exposure. Still, they are not real. and very manipulated. It is like the fifth foot of the elephant that suddenly appeared because there was a second elephant behind the first. The truth shown in a photo does not have to be a reality. DagT
Re: Hockney on photography
I see it this way: A photograph, video, newspaper story, book or story is a statement made by human beings. The statements are no more reliable than the person that made them. I agree with you in that digital is a good thing, because it makes the manipulative aspects of a photograph more obvious. We are becoming more aware that a photograph may not tell the truth, but some of us know that it never has. One of my grandmothers was a photographer before 1940. I believe she knew a lot more about retouching than we do... DagT På 5. mar. 2004 kl. 04.08 skrev frank theriault: Christian, All photographs are manipulated. All video is manipulated. All TV news stories are manipulated. All newspaper stories are manipulated. All print media sources are manipulated. All radio is manipulated. All news sources are manipulated Nothing is factual and true unless we see or hear it directly for ourselves. Or, can we even trust our senses? Is the world that we think we experience even real? Maybe I'm taking this to absurd lengths, Christian, but just because a photograph ~can~ be manipulated doesn't mean that it has been. Just because every photo has the bias of the photographer and/or editor doesn't mean that it doesn't reflect reality, or isn't true and factual. Everything has a point of view, it's true, but ~some~ points of view must be accurate, mustn't they? Maybe the fact that digital is easier to manipulate by more people is a good thing. It makes us question. It makes us a bit more skeptical. I think that in the past, photographs were not questioned (at least not like they are today). It allowed the Soviets to remove Trotsky from that balcony, standing next to Lenin. They altered history, and did a pretty damned good job of it. I bet that no one in the USSR was the wiser. Nowadays, more people would wonder how accurate things are, and that's a good thing. But, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Photographs are just as reflective of reality as any other media source. And, BTW, my grandmothers (both of them) were saints, are now in heaven, and would never have taken a snapshot that was not absolutely accurate and real. So there! vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hockney on photography Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:29:38 -0500 His first statement: Hockney told the Guardian newspaper that photographs can be so easily altered these days that they can no longer be seen as factual or true. is crap! I've said it before and I'll continue to say it: ALL PHOTOGRAPHS ARE MANIPULATED. It happens before the shutter is tripped with the selection of film, focal length, etc. You are seeing what the photographer wants you to see and in the way he/she wants you to see it. No photograph can be seen as factual or true not even snap shots taken by grandma. Christian - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: Hockney on photography Hi, on my home from work tonight I listened to an interview with David Hockney about the trustworthiness of photography. Here is an article about it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3532483.stm I agree with him about art photography, but, like Russell Roberts, I thought his arguments about factual photography were rather simplistic. Still, it's interesting to hear him, nevertheless. -- Cheers, Bob _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/ premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/ encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Are Canon owners really this stupid?
På 6. mar. 2004 kl. 00.44 skrev Cotty: On 5/3/04, MARK ROBERTS FOR IT IS HE disgorged: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3800946535 Maybe some people really need the manuals? The people bidding on this need a manual to tell them how to drink a glass of water without drowning. Oh come on Mark, for heaven's sake! You know as well as I do that's bloody stupid. How can they try to drink the water without learning how to fill the glass first I guess it works if you fill the glass for them. DagT
PAW #3 - Winter
I shouldn´t, because I haven´t had time to look at your photos, but http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2186930size=lg DagT
Re: March PUG
På 1. mar. 2004 kl. 11.51 skrev Cotty: Fra: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dag, that is so cool. Thanks :-) I wish I could do shots like that. Why can't you? DagT You know what I mean. I suppose I possibly could, but I think that most photographers settle into making pics they feel most comfortable with. Especially being able to 'see' the shot. For me, the story is in the eyes. I admire when I see the story in something else - like fingers. Yes, I know, sorry if I was a bit short. I shouldn´t try to read pdml mail at work... Anyway: what I mean is that we should try to free ourselves from conventions and that we shouldn´t sit back and say I can´t do this. Most of us can. I was not sure about how all of you would react, but once again I find this list to be a nice place to show such photos. Nobody says NO! This is wrong, this is not how it is done, a portrait must show a face!. Not that I am very experimental, but sometimes I try. :-) Thanks again for you comments! DagT
Re: PAW
I liked that one. There is some strange sense of humor at work here. A bit weird. A small objection to the pink colour. DagT På 27. feb. 2004 kl. 16.41 skrev William Robb: Something a little different today. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/mirror1.html And quite boring, I am sure. Rip it apart folks. William Robb
Re: Which wide Pentax primes show the least distortion?
På 27. feb. 2004 kl. 20.39 William Robb: - Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: Which wide Pentax primes show the least distortion? Looks like a few have problems with barrel distortion. Which 20/24/28 primes show the least? -Lon The A20mm f/2.8 seems good. I tend to be pretty sensitive to barrel distortion, and I have used the 20 pretty extensively ove rthe past few months with the home reno pictures, and nothing has jumped out at me. I agree that the A20 f/2.8 is quite good, and the 28 f/2.0 too. I had an M 24 2.8 that had too much for my taste. DagT
Re: PAW (... )
Yes, it is in Oslo. You can see the Royal Castle hidden in the fog. Thanks! DagT På 24. feb. 2004 kl. 15.20 skrev Albano Garcia: I like it. I like the pano crop. Where it is? Norway? Regards Albano --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's another one. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2158144size=lg DagT
Re: Whisky (was Re: PAW: A good breakfast)
Glenmorangie is great among the smoother ones, but usually I prefer Lagavulin. DagT På 23. feb. 2004 kl. 20.51 skrev Shel Belinkoff: O! I like Glenmorangie, and also Springbank 21 or 25. Yu! Keith Whaley wrote: An Islay (Lagavulin) is just a wee bit intense for me. I'll have a Dalwhinnie or maybe an Oban, if you please. Or, if you still have that bottle of 18-year-old Glenmorangie hidden under the counter, a dash of that, please! g
Re: OT: Canon and Nikon and Curmudgeons
I´ve always thought that they were used to hide the extent in which we were talking about other brands. Search for Nikon in the PDML archive and the number of hits is probably less than half of what i could be :-) DagT På 22. feb. 2004 kl. 18.49 skrev frank theriault: Can we spell out these two words, please? Try it: Canon Nikon There. That wasn't so hard, was it? The list is still here. Pentax hasn't suddenly gone bankrupt. No one's had a heart attack (have they? g). All sarcasm aside, using asterisks between the first and last letters, or whatever, seems really silly and almost juvenile to me. We all know what you're referring to. It doesn't change the content of your posts to not spell them out fully. We don't do it for Minolta, Leica, or any other brand. Why The Big Two? Do we fear them? Is it out of some sort of respect? Are they seen as God-like - you know, like those religions who can't actually use the word God, but refer to him/her/it in the 3rd person: He Who is All-Seeing? I'm a former offender, I must admit. When I first joined the list, I thought it was kind of cute. Then, the more I thought about it, it seemed that if Pentax is a player in the game, whether big or not, showing such deference to these guys doesn't make sense. I guess people can do what they want. I'm just in a curmudgeonly mood this morning. BTW, I said several weeks ago that maybe Shel was the Official List Curmudgeon. I've changed my mind. Now I think it's Graywolf. And, BTW, for me, curmudgeons are loveable (whatever the dictionary definitions mght say). Sort of like Andy Rooney. You can't hate the guy... cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: A few photos.
På 22. feb. 2004 kl. 20.48 skrev Malcolm Smith: This is a REAL car http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2153283size=lg Hey, my mom had one of those in ´69. She still remembers driving into the gas station and hearing the guy commenting on the engine: Nice little thing you got there... Even I remember that one, I was 6 DagT
Re: PAW Sherwood Island
Nice, quite landscape. I think the tree on the right draws a little to much attentions but the soft light works well. DagT På 19. feb. 2004 kl. 21.24 skrev Butch Black: I'm in Here is a winter image I took a week or so ago. http://www.usefilm.com/image/310763.html
Re: Dag's bikes (was Re: OT: Not sure about this one)
På 20. feb. 2004 kl. 17.28 skrev Gianfranco Irlanda: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6637 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6264 The second one, however, with the circular pan lines, well, I'm not sure about it yet. Interesting, that's for sure! and then Lon Williamson replied: I liked the second one better. 'Course, I got the taste of a dead carp. I got the same taste, it seems, 'cause I too prefer the second shot. :-) It has a graphic look that I like a lot. Great shot. Ciao, Gianfranco OK, OK! I give up, you´ve all got better taste than me. Thanks any way :-) DagT
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
I like this one, the look and light on his face and the balance between where he looks and the light parts of the background works for me. Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more chaotic... DagT På 20. feb. 2004 kl. 17.04 skrev Gianfranco Irlanda: Hi everybody, I'd like to hear some comments about this one: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 I'm not sure if I like it or not... The man is a shoeshine, he works (worked? not sure I saw him recently) along one of the shopping streets in Naples. I took few pictures of his hands at work and a couple of portraits too. There's another one I prefer for his expression, but there something I like about this shot that I'm not able to catch... Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: Lens Cleaning Problem - Volatile Liquids
På 20. feb. 2004 kl. 19.02 skrev Andre Langevin: The glass of a lens should be about the same Moh's hardness as quartz, 7, since it's predominately quartz. I have no idea about the hardness of coatings, but aren't they only a few molecules thick? Bill Pentax says its SMC coating is harder than glass. Very hard molecules... I think it IS glass, but glass being doped with impurities to increase the refractive index. The refractive index is related to the hardness of the glass. DagT
Re: PAW
På 20. feb. 2004 kl. 20.16 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I humbly submit a small action picture. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/flyingpoodle.jpg William Robb Boy, that poodle is really flying! Kewl. It´s a UFP (Unidentified Flying Poodle) DagT
Re: OT: Not sure about this one
Thanks! I think I agree with you in which of my pictures is the best. The second got a little too messy because of the hard light in the woods. By the way: the circular lines were made by panning with a 24mm (actually the A 24-50 @ 24). I think I´ll try the same with a 20mm some time, at the danger of being run down DagT På 19. feb. 2004 kl. 03.34 skrev frank theriault: I'm nuts, but it has nothing to do with waving cameras at bikes. I agree with you, Cotty, in that Dag's photos rock. Especially the first one. I'm a black and white guy, but colour really works on that one! And, I really like the framing - works much better than mine dead centre. Reminds me that I must crop mine. The second one, however, with the circular pan lines, well, I'm not sure about it yet. Interesting, that's for sure! Great work, Dag!! cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Not sure about this one Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:18:26 + On 18/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Sometimes I like it. Others, I think it's horrible. If you have an opinion, feel free to share. I like it. Maybe because it reminds me of something: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6637 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6264 :-) DagT Nice again! You guys are all nuts, standing on streets waving cameras back and forth. Great results though. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: OT: Not sure about this one
På 18. feb. 2004 kl. 23.18 skrev frank theriault: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2142532 Sometimes I like it. Others, I think it's horrible. If you have an opinion, feel free to share. I like it. Maybe because it reminds me of something: http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6637 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=6264 :-) DagT
Re: Two new Pentax products to be announced today
På 12. feb. 2004 kl. 16.25 skrev Dario Bonazza: However, what about a decent performer over 45mm? Why the hell Pentax has not still introduced a DA 50-150 f/4 or the like? Do they assume we have to buy Sigma/Tamron? I find this amazing! I don´t. It is not as difficult or expensive to make these focal lengths with full frame coverage, so why bother. DagT
Re: Two new Pentax products to be announced today
På 12. feb. 2004 kl. 19.37 skrev Dario Bonazza: Dag T wrote: På 12. feb. 2004 kl. 16.25 skrev Dario Bonazza: However, what about a decent performer over 45mm? Why the hell Pentax has not still introduced a DA 50-150 f/4 or the like? Do they assume we have to buy Sigma/Tamron? I find this amazing! I don´t. It is not as difficult or expensive to make these focal lengths with full frame coverage, so why bother. Ok, so where are they? Please don't list standard zoom lenses (24-90, 28-80, 28-105 and so on), which are too short and overlapping. Also, please don't list 80-320 and 100-300, which are too long and slow. None of the above match my simple requirement. I just need 50-150mm focal length (more or less equivalent to 70-210 on film), f/4 and good performance on the *ist D (APS or FF). Do I have to explain such a simple concept further? No. They may come, but I think they will be FAJ, not DA-lenses specially made for the small chip. Why omit the possible full frame or film cameras when it hardly affects the price to make the a lens that fit both formats? DagT
Re: does anyone have experience with high speed freezing the action photograp...
På 23. jan. 2004 kl. 07.54 skrev mike wilson: Bob W wrote: I'm speaking from a position of almost total ignorance here, but surely a bullet is travelling 2 or 3 times faster than sound? Over the short distances involved is it really possible to do this? It's possible to get bullets that travel at subsonic velocity. They make less noise. Even supersonic ones are not that fast, I think. I think the trick is to put the acoustic trigger close to the gun. The resulting electronic signals travel much faster than sound and may trigger the flash before the bullet reach the target. By the way, I have seen photos of supersonic bullets WITH shock waves (polarization effects), so they do not have to rely on slow bullets for these photos. DagT
Re: Cameras in the Snow-was: Digital good
The camera would probably take it anyway. Some years ago we made a small ski jump in a slope, and as grown up kids we started making more or less stupid tricks, so my contribution was to take a photo of the ski jump from the jumpers point of view. I made two mistakes, the first was deciding on a 24mm, the second was looking through the finder on my way down. I was, of course, fooled by the wide angle and thought the ski jump was further away than it was, so when I was unprepared when I reached the jump. The result was a very funny photo taken by one of the others as I came through the air, camera first, then arms, head, etc. I remember hearing someone saying Oh my ... when I was in the air. Luckily the slope below the jump was soft and powdery snow. The camera, a SuperA, was drowned in a lot of snow and survived, so did I. Also, I got a diploma for the best fall (but not the best picture) :-) DagT På 20. jan. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev frank theriault: This weekend, I went toboganning with my youngest daughter. Brought along the LX with Viv S1 24-48. We had a blast - the temp warmed up (!) to around -8C, and there was plenty of snow and sun. We were taking turns going down, and Claire had the camera around her neck when it way my turn. Just for fun, one time we went down together. I knew I was going to fall off the back of the toboggan (nothing to hold onto back there), and I was ready to make sure that I held the camera up in the air, no matter what my body did on the snow underneath. I hoped to snap off a few before my expected demise. So, I strapped the camera to my right wrist (my favourite way to hold the camera whilst out walking), and down we went. Got off one shot, and promptly hit the snow. Kept the camera as high in the air as a could while I tumbled, and was quite successful in doing so. The camera got covered with snow, but never hit the ground! I, on the other hand, took the brunt of the punishment (better me than the camera!) Took off the filter (which was covered with snow, too), and I was all set to go! LX worked just fine after that. I think everyone there thought I was nuts. I couldn't disagree with that assessment. Hope the shot turned out (I was shooting about 2 stops wider than the meter told me to, due to the white snow in the background). Your comment on the safety of shooting out windows in snow storms with AF reminded me of that, Cory. Sorry for your loss. Sounds like everyone appreciated your digital, though. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cory Thinks it's much safer to snap photos of the snowfall out the windshield of the car one's driving at ~65 Mph when one's using an AF camera. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004 _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: OT: Fake or Foto
På 20. jan. 2004 kl. 19.55 skrev Bob W: Hi, most of the flying saucer photos have been fake snapshots and the remainder have been what? When even the photographer thinks it´s for real. Not all fakes are intentional. DagT
Re: OT: I've become my Parents-was:PUG Deadline Approaching
In Norway we had a monopoly with one channel until the middle of the 80s. The lucky ones had the two Swedish channels as well :-) Regarding photography I´ve promised not to give up the darkroom before all three kids have made their own prints. They will really have something to tell their grandchildren... DagT På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 23.42 skrev frank theriault: Why I remember back when we had to scan our prints... Daddy, what's a 'print'? Which reminds me of a story. I realized that I'd become my own parents when I was telling my kids of a pre-computerized, pre-VCR/DVD, pre-videogame world of broadcast-only television, where everyone had either rabbits ears on the telly, or a great honking antenna on their roof or on a mast lashed to the house. And even at that, we got only 5 channels (two Canadian, and three 'Murrican). We thought we were Living Large 'cause we had one of them motors on the antenna that could rotate it to get the best reception! I think my kids thought I was bullsh**ing them! cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scanning, what scanning? :-) _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: Freezing BW Film
If that was true most of my films would have cracked, not only from freezing during storage, but some of them also from use in similar temperatures. There is, however, a story of a Norwegian expedition to Antarctica where they used an LX being modified to roll the film the opposite way around the spool in the camera to avoid cracking, but the temperatures may be well below the temperature in the freezer. If the film holds freezer temperatures during use I´d be careful with winders and motor drives. DagT På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 08.20 skrev John Coyle: Shel, I would strongly advocate not freezing film, but simply fridging it. I read many years ago that freezing could lead to some emulsions cracking on loading, but that may be a myth!
Re: PUG Deadline Approaching
Scanning, what scanning? :-) DagT På 16. jan. 2004 kl. 19.07 skrev Adelheid v. K.: Folks get scanning. It's Wet outside and this month's theme Cheers Adelheid
Re: TC and Tubes for macro
På 13. jan. 2004 kl. 11.42 skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! I have never done that but my brain tells me to put TC between extension tube and the lens. However, the Pentax TC manual mentions they were not designed for macro works. I second that. The TC (I have MC) I think is/was? constructed specially for the lens to be attached right to it. So first comes the body, then tubes, then converter(s), then lens... I also have no experience with such kind of set up but I guess I'd try it some day as I do have MC and tubes. Vivitars 2x macro teleconverter works in exactly that way. The lenses are kept in position while the lens mounted on the TC is moved. It makes a good 100mm macro lens when combined with a 50mm. Another thing is that the FREE concept of some Pentax lenses uses a similar idea. DagT
Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?
Computer prizes has fallen partially because they have put more into the same silicon area. This will not work with digital cameras. The rest of the digital cameras is similar to the analog cameras so there is not much to gain there. DagT På 10. jan. 2004 kl. 00.33 skrev Leonard Paris: It won't always be a $7000 camera. Digital stufff tends to decrease in price over time. Look at computer prices. Lenses may never get cheaper, however. Eventually, they are going to almost give the cameras away to get you locked into their lenses. For example, look at printer prices. A good printer can be had for not too much cash. It's the ink and paper that they make the real money from. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:31:44 -0500 but then they are compromising again and there will be the same issue with wide-angle focal lengths, etc. Canon has a full frame sensor. How could the Canon user-base afford such a camera? it's a $7000 camera. - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip? - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35mm K-bayonet why would you put it in anything else? Until only a few hours ago I thought exactly the same thing, but then someone (in another thread) pointed out that the cost of a FF digicamera would be prohibitive to practically all of the current Pentax K customer base. I suspect Pentax would have a much larger potential for a 24x36 chip based camera if it was directed towards their 645 customer base. Cheers, Jostein _
Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?
På 10. jan. 2004 kl. 04.29 skrev Rob Studdert: On 9 Jan 2004 at 23:42, Dag T wrote: I agree, the cost of high quality silicon wafers per area has been constant for decades. More than doubling the area will increase the prize, as well as the demand for calculating power, memory, speed etc. It is in the professional prize range anyway, so why not based the FF sensors on the 645 system. I could not agree less on both counts. Silicon wafer growth has been constantly increasing in diameter as has purity and yield, silicon even as huge wafers is getting cheaper by the day. Pentax would be fools for not implementing a 24x36 mm sensor in a 35mm camera, surely you'd expect that they'd fit a FF 645 sensor in a 645 body or are Pentax shooters that damned cheap? :-( Wafers have been growing, yes, but prize per area has not decreased much. If you place an FF sensor in a 35mm system you get an expensive camera with a lot of lenses that are not good enough. They have some problems with this in the 1Ds. If you place an FF sensor in a 645 system you get a camera within the expected prize range, most lenses are good enough but you lack the wide angle. The photographers I know who uses the 1Ds sees it as an alternative to the medium format, so I guess this also defines the market. DagT
Re: Some *istD questions
The raw converter lets you choose between 8bit and 16bit TIFF formats. DagT På 10. jan. 2004 kl. 03.36 skrev Shel Belinkoff: Paul, CS doesn't yet support pentax RAW. Pentax uses a CCD sensor. Like you, I wasn't too interested in the istd until the new lenses could readily be used. Don't know about the RAW converter, though. Paul Stenquist wrote: I know that the *istD has a raw file option. Does the PhotoShop CS (PS8) RAW converter support the Pentax files? I assume Pentax has a RAW converter. Does it offer different file size options? Is the Pentax sensor a CMOS or a CCD? I'm sure all these topics have been covered here, but I wasn't interested until the K lens compatibility came along.
Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?
Sure, as all the initial research and new technology has been payed and the market has opened. There is, however, a limit. Maybe it hasn´t been reached just yet, but it´s getting close. Anyway the APS-size cameras will always be a lot cheaper than the FF cameras, and use cheaper optics, and you can never expect the pro dSLR´s to be any cheaper than the pro SLR´s were. I´d expect them to be a bit more expensive, as their market is smaller and the sensors are very large. More like the MF market today. DagT På 10. jan. 2004 kl. 13.03 skrev Len Paris: Unless you've been asleep for quite a while, the prices of digital cameras has been decreasing quite nicely over time, as well. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 1:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip? Computer prizes has fallen partially because they have put more into the same silicon area. This will not work with digital cameras. The rest of the digital cameras is similar to the analog cameras so there is not much to gain there. DagT På 10. jan. 2004 kl. 00.33 skrev Leonard Paris: It won't always be a $7000 camera. Digital stufff tends to decrease in price over time. Look at computer prices. Lenses may never get cheaper, however. Eventually, they are going to almost give the cameras away to get you locked into their lenses. For example, look at printer prices. A good printer can be had for not too much cash. It's the ink and paper that they make the real money from. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:31:44 -0500 but then they are compromising again and there will be the same issue with wide-angle focal lengths, etc. Canon has a full frame sensor. How could the Canon user-base afford such a camera? it's a $7000 camera. - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip? - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35mm K-bayonet why would you put it in anything else? Until only a few hours ago I thought exactly the same thing, but then someone (in another thread) pointed out that the cost of a FF digicamera would be prohibitive to practically all of the current Pentax K customer base. I suspect Pentax would have a much larger potential for a 24x36 chip based camera if it was directed towards their 645 customer base. Cheers, Jostein _
Re: version 1.1
Very nice! There´s an M* 300mm for sale here for about $350. Maybe I can buy it now :-) DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 04.59 skrev William Robb: Friends, we have improved K-mount compatability. Now, with the lens off A, putting the camera into manual and pressing the green button will give the correct shutter speed. EV comp im manual is a nice touch. The ist D camera just got a whole lot better. William Robb
Re: Two Things That P***ed Me Off Today!
Ask the producer for a new firmware update... DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 09.34 skrev Ryan Lee: Ahh.. I thought it was a banner between the lampposts/phone poles. :-) Need to recalibrate my eyes.. Regards, Ryan
Re: A low end Pentax DSLR coming this year
It´s not surprising, as C and N does the same. I would have bought the *istD anyway, as I hated the plastic 300D. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 09.54 skrev Alan Chan: Another Pentax DSLR will be released this year at 1/2 the price of the *ist D. The new model will be made of plastic to reduce the manufacturing cost. I have copied the translation below. http://www.jij.co.jp/news/car/art-20031225202640-GQXZLDNFQD.nwc Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan A pen tack, the low price model injection which will be a lens exchange formula digital camera also at next year (Nihon Kogyo Shimbun 2003/12/26) A pen tack supplies the low price model for beginners also in next year as part of the sales promotion strategy of a lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera. Although the lens exchange formula digital single-lens reflex camera market monopolizes the market mostly with market share about 80% at two companies, NIKON and Canon, a pen tack is supplying a low price model, and aims at the improvement in a market share in this market. A pen tack will enter into a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera market in August, this year. pen tack *ISUTO D of No. 1 -- the amount of these weights -- the world -- the maximum -- having held down to 550g which becomes lightweight -- the feature It developed adopting as a main part material the stainless steel which has lightweight and high durability etc. for a photographer, a pro called a report, or upper persons. Since the expensive material was used, the main part price became a large sum setup 200,000 yen order. The company judges that it is necessary to throw in the goods of the low price belt which can also purchase an amateur layer easily, in order to expand the foot of a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera. It decided to decide on the injection of a low price model. It designs so that it can equip with the interchangeable lens undecidedly [ detailed spec. ] for the lens exchange formula film single-lens reflex cameras of the company where the lens mount portion shipped the 6,500,000 [ about ] total but. Although a price will be packed from now on, it is expected that it becomes just over or below 100,000 yen. Because a lens exchange formula digital single lens reflex camera can expect sale of accessories, such as an interchangeable lens with thick profit margin besides a large sum main part, and a flash, the new goods from the competition other companies, such as NIKON which has entered into this market, and Canon, Olympus, are also likely to be thrown in one after another. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca
Re: version 1.1
I used the card, and date and time was preserved. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 13.46 skrev Stan Halpin: I downloaded direct to the camera instead of putting the installer on a CF card and putting that to the camera. Date - time and all other settings were preserved. Stan Thomas Stach wrote: this is Thomas from Germany! I also just installed the new firmware; all language settings and user settings are kept after doing this - nice! Only date and time had be set again.
Re: Lens for *istD
There is. Such things as noise/sensitivity considerations and diffraction limits. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 15.00 skrev keller.schaefer: A full frame DSLR would just not fit into this picture - and there is no reason to believe that APS sized sensors cannot be developed further to achieve higher resolutions.
Re: *istD question
Yes, and the Pentax Photo laboratory save in 16 bit TIFF which Photoshop is able to handle. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 18.07 skrev J. C. O'Connell: Does the istD RAW file contain 36 bit color images and if so, can they be converted to 48 bit TIFFS for use in photoshop? JCO --- - J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com --- -
Re: digital imaging question
I always try to stretch the scale so that the image contains both areas being close to the lightest and darkest values. Anything else will often seem grey. It´s the same thing I do in the darkroom, it is done by controlling both contrast and the overall exposure. In Photoshop I use the curve tool. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 18.13 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I have a question concerning digital capture (scanning or digital photography) that need answering. If I have a scene or negative that has a contrast range that it less than the sensor/scanner ( i.e. the histogram width is narrower that the histogram width range), is it better to: 1. center the recorded histogram 2. bias the histogram towards the lighter tones taking care not no clip any highlights 3. bias the histogram towards the darker tones taking care not to clip any of the darker/black tones I have a feeling the correct way is #2 or possibly #1 but I am not sure. Anyone know? --- - J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com --- -
Re: digital imaging question
A nice thing in Photoshop is that there are many ways to achieve the same. It´s just a matter of preferences, I like the kind of control the curves give, probably because it was the first tool I learned. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 19.31 skrev Frits Wüthrich: Why not use levels for that? On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 19:04, Dag T wrote: I always try to stretch the scale so that the image contains both areas being close to the lightest and darkest values. Anything else will often seem grey. It´s the same thing I do in the darkroom, it is done by controlling both contrast and the overall exposure. In Photoshop I use the curve tool. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 18.13 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I have a question concerning digital capture (scanning or digital photography) that need answering. If I have a scene or negative that has a contrast range that it less than the sensor/scanner ( i.e. the histogram width is narrower that the histogram width range), is it better to: 1. center the recorded histogram 2. bias the histogram towards the lighter tones taking care not no clip any highlights 3. bias the histogram towards the darker tones taking care not to clip any of the darker/black tones I have a feeling the correct way is #2 or possibly #1 but I am not sure. Anyone know? - -- - J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com - -- - -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: digital imaging question
It depends on the film. I certainly would with Velvia, but I´ve never used it. The films I´ve used most, Provia 100F and Agfa 50 RSX are neutral and easy to scan with this scanner, which has a very good Dmax. As it hits on target in most cases I scan in normal 16bit mode first. Afterwards I see if the highlights and shadows are good compared to the original. If they are, all the details from the film is in the scan, and I can do the rest in Photoshop. If not, I adjust the scan. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 22.29 skrev J. C. O'Connell: You dont set the exposure level during scanning? I certainly do. JCO -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I rarely do anything during scanning. Only of the slide is particularly difficult, but Provia 100F is a very easy film to scan with the Minolta Elite II, so it doesn´t happen often. As I scan in 16bit Photoshop has enough information to work on later. DagT På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 20.05 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I do that too, but I am talking about when you capture/scan the original. Not what you do to it afterward.
Re: What would you do with a 24x36 digital chip?
På 9. jan. 2004 kl. 23.23 skrev Jostein: - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 35mm K-bayonet why would you put it in anything else? Until only a few hours ago I thought exactly the same thing, but then someone (in another thread) pointed out that the cost of a FF digicamera would be prohibitive to practically all of the current Pentax K customer base. I suspect Pentax would have a much larger potential for a 24x36 chip based camera if it was directed towards their 645 customer base. I agree, the cost of high quality silicon wafers per area has been constant for decades. More than doubling the area will increase the prize, as well as the demand for calculating power, memory, speed etc. It is in the professional prize range anyway, so why not based the FF sensors on the 645 system. The wide angle problem can be solved, and you need the upper class of the 135 lenses to get any quality at all from an FF camera, so why not use the 645 lenses? DagT
Re: Polarizers...
På 7. jan. 2004 kl. 22.56 skrev Tanya Mayer Photography: Just a question in regards to polarizers... Can someone explain to me the difference between a circular and linear polarizer? Could I use a linear polarizer on my Oly which has internal AF ie. the lens doesn't rotate? A circular polarizer is in principle a linear polarizer with a depolarizer on the back, first filtering out light with a certain polarization and then depolarizing the light coming through the filter. It works on all cameras, but is a bit more expensive. Most modern cameras, and I think all AF cameras, have beam splitters in their AF-system (as well as their light meters). These beam splitters are polarization dependent. Therefore, to get correct metering and AF the light coming into the camera should not be polarized. Try placing a linear polarizer in front of another and rotate them relative to each other, and you see what you AF sensors or light meters will see if you put a linear polarizer on a modern camera. You can get anything from almost all the light through the second filter to absolute darkness, if the polarizers are good. DagT
Re: *ist D: hooray!
What I was thinking of was this: http://www.pentaxusa.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=169 PENTAX U.S.A. will preview the lens at the PEPCOM Digital Focus media event on January 7 in Las Vegas during the 2004 Consumer Electronics Show. Maybe there is more... DagT P 8. jan. 2004 kl. 17.19 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bloody hell. Don't tell me i need to clear another enablement with my Beloved Wife! Quoting Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the 16-45 was scheduled today or something like that... DagT P 8. jan. 2004 kl. 16.20 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ah, yes. When is this firmware update due to appear? Quoting Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Keep watching Pentax websites :-) Sorry, I cannot tell more, so please don't ask. Dario Bonazza - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: It's Stopped Raining
På 8. jan. 2004 kl. 17.16 skrev Kostas Kavoussanakis: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, mike.wilson wrote: Kostas wrote: Which bits does one mop (and therefore check for condensation)? It was me. I put the lens cap on before going inside. All surfaces were beaded with moisture immediately and I spent about 20 minutes mopping it off. I concentrated on the areas of joints, where the moisture might penetrate the lens or body. Am I right to infer that you don't need to remove the lens to dry the insides? What are the chances of condensation forming inside a (zoom perhaps) lens? I read something about using an airtight bag to bring the camera in. How airtight need it be? Supermarket bags for example have holes for the kids not to suffocate in a flash. In general, I only take the camera out when we are above zero temperatures. Unlike Shel, I had about 8 non-flash pictures in the last 74 that I took delivery of today :-( Not happy. I prefer another method. Just wrap the camera in wool. It absorbs the condensation and smoothens the temperature changes. Never take the lens of during the condensation period. DagT
Re: It's Stopped Raining
På 3. jan. 2004 kl. 20.53 skrev mike wilson: Hi, Jostein wrote: Quoting Dag T [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like this type of cold. It is easy to get sufficient clothing (usually around here there is no wind when the temperature creeps below -20), the air is dry and extremely clear and there is this crunching sound when you walk on the snow. Combinations of wind, snow and rain around zero feels much colder. After living 10 years on the west coast, I couldn't agree more. Downside is that it drains batteries faster. And that it takes a lot more time to acclimatise the gear to room temperature afterwards... I was very impressed with the MZ-S in this respect. Coming out of well below 20degrees under zero into a warm and moist cafe, it produced enough condensation to soak about 30 paper napkins. I just kept mopping it off until it had warmed up sufficiently to cease creating. Never had a problem of any sort. I was also using the 28-70/2.8 FA* lans. ME Super, Super A and LX also handles this great. Have anybody taken the chance on the *istD yet? I didn´t take the chances on new years eve... DagT
