Re: Official K-30 page
On 12-05-22 0:38, Darren Addy wrote: A quick comparison of the K-5 specs with the K-30 seems to show only minor(?) differences. So why buy the two years younger K-30 when the K-5 actually does cost the same money? Here in Europe both are down to 750 EUR. The price drop of the K-30 still would have to come, although current exchange rates are not encouraging to buy if you don't have to. (K-5 with 18-55 WR: 790 EUR, K-30 with 18-55 WR: 850 EUR) - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax price curves
On 11-01-28 1:32, Larry Colen wrote: I was trying to find the price history of various Pentax DSLRs, to get some idea of when the K-5 might next drop in price, but while I've seen such charts, I can't find any. Other than two weeks after I bought mine, anybody have a good idea of what the price curve of Pentax DSLRs looks like? Aren't there any sites which do provide price comparisons, including charts? Prices in Europe are much higher and have their own dynamics, but there are some good trackers such as http://geizhals.at/eu/?phist=571969age=180 - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 07.02.2010 00:56, schrieb steve harley: On 2010-02-06 17:24 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Thanks, so the price now is up to $40 or even $90, saving $2 for the former built-in option. yeah i guess Apple sold too few to keep the product alive; i'd try eBay for a better price I'll have a look, but my current computers all still got the modem function. The next one won't - and I'm not sure whether any usb modem would be sufficient. Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs? Thanks, Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 07.02.2010 09:56, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs? Example of a cheap one: ebay #180458160070, 6.80 € (about $9) - should this work with any computer, including Mac? - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays? - correction
Am 06.02.2010 14:06, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/6 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... Source or bust. Watch the keynote. Or more easily: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ Display * 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen Multi-Touch display with *IPS* technology * 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi) * Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating * Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 06.02.2010 14:07, schrieb steve harley: On 2010-02-05 10:33 , Martin Trautmann wrote: eSATA? for that you need the 17 MacBook Pro, or an older 15, there are ExpressCards that do eSATA seamlessless (no drivers) And if you don't want the 17 you are lost. fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. a while back i got one in a bag of stuff at a yard sale for $2 and got it for the sense of readiness it gives me (smile), though i have not used a modem for 5 years or so (sent one fax maybe three years ago, but used an online service) I needed one some weeks ago within vacation, no DSL, no WLAN, but just a phone line. And fax is still very common for many people. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 06.02.2010 22:23, schrieb Charles Robinson: On Feb 6, 2010, at 13:34, Martin Trautmann wrote: fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?complete=0hl=ensource=hpq=apple+usb+modemum=1ie=UTF-8cid=9832728713848179501ei=f91tS8uGF5O4M4K72dgEsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CBYQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers Thanks, so the price now is up to $40 or even $90, saving $2 for the former built-in option. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 05.02.2010 16:12, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 Within MBP 13 there are dedicated color profiles: 9C8C (?) 9C9E (Samsung) 9C9F (LG-Philips) 9CA0 (Chi Mei) 9CA1 (?) 9CBD (LG-Philips) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 05.02.2010 16:15, schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi: Yes, I use Apple systems, been using them (along with many others) since 1983-4. They do what I need in a way I find satisfying and productive, and get in the way less of the time, for me. Their warts are warts I can live with more easily than the warts I find in other systems. Nothing's perfect. Unfortunately their's a major lack of alternatives, once you are addicted to OSX. matte 13 screen? firewire? express card slot? eSATA? fax modem? Once in a while Apple does react on furious feedback (returning the firewire port on some models), while you don't have any alternative as long as there's no matching MacBook around. You may add some stuff via USB (or one of the many expensive display adapters), but you don't have any choice for other models, as long as you don't use hackintosh - and most of the times the OSX86 models lack some essential functions afterwards. Waiting for a usable Mac-Pad or at least a reasonable MBP upgrade this month. My iBook fell back to the C-clamp serial error, which is not considered as a design flaw by apple, and does require resoldering about every 6 months. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 05.02.2010 19:09, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? ioreg is easy to type, but difficult to understand. Copy/paste of a line should be easy enough. However, and of course, there are guis which do exactly the same but may show you the result in another font and order more nicely. I feel it's easier than to take the computer apart in order to find the model inside. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
Am 05.02.2010 19:11, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 So tell us, Martin! Are they 6 bit TN panels or something decent? You might google this easily. However, I guess that they are all TN, first of all considering my personal experience: when you open and close the lid more or less, the colors do change significantly. Second, I guess that Apple would advertise it if it was the better quality. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays? - correction
Am 05.02.2010 05:01, schrieb Jim King: Sorry, but I need to correct myself - evidently I was thinking of the latest iMac displays, which are said to be IPS. I can't find any credible source to support my statement above that the MacBook Pro displays use IPS. Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mac experts
Here at the college we have both Mac and Windows systems. The Mac in my office won't ever boot for me on the first try. It always locks up just before the Dock should appear and has to be re-booted via the front panel power switch. Second try always works. Any suggestions? Which Mac, which Mac OS? -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wide angle for K-X?
Bruce Dayton wrote: Very well said Boris. I tend to agree with this. The biggest reason for Pentax is the glass. The only time to buy 3rd party is when there is not an equivalent Pentax lens. There's plenty of glass around where Pentax just added the label to it. There's plenty of glass around which is not named Pentax, but may provide excellent results on the K-x. And Pentax once offered very good glass for very reasonable price - but the price advantage seems to be gone by now. So I do feel that any lense is justified to be used on a suitable Pentax body, while there may be much worse combinations of certain Pentax optics and bodies - and although Pentax does offer the major compatibility between former and now, Pentax and Non-Pentax, there's plenty of incomplete support between original Pentax lenses and body. Concerning the support itself: from the European point of view it's an argument against Pentax by now. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wide angle for K-X?
David Savage wrote: I agree, but it's the DOF control offered by the fast stuff that gives creative possibilities. For wide angles which are the topic here? I'm more concerned by the max. opening which does provide good quality. I do prefer a f/2.8 which becomes excellent at f/4.0 to a brighter f/1.8 which sucks up to f/5.6. So I'm more interested in image quality for wide angles than for max. opening. The more tele it becomes, the more I do prefer the opposit tendency and do accept slight quality decrease at max. opening. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Battery for iBook G4
David J Brooks wrote: My battery up until very recently, would last about 2 1/2 hours, now about 20 minutes. I see that Apple is still having issues with these batteries from what i read. Any 3rd party i could look at.?? Mac G4 iBook, 13 screen iBook G4 with 13? I assume it's 12 only. I got any battery from ebay sellers. You never know about the quality that much - especially how new the cells are, since li-ion does degrade by aging. My battery here dropped from 4400 mAh (which it never actually had) down to now 3644 mAh after 486 cycles. Seems to be good enough. It does fit sufficiently well and is slightly more grey than the white casing. Apple batteries are speced at 4000 mAh, AFAIR. There are some better recommended brands - but I'd suggest to ask e.g. in news:comp.sys.mac.portables or any of the common web forums. I think it's my third battery since 2004 - the first one was replaced by Sony's recall action. I'm more annoyed by the fact that Apple claims much better battery quality for the current MacBooks with internal cells, but does not reflect this by any increased warranty - it's always limited to one year only, regardless of AppleCare, for manufacturing defects only. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Battery for iBook G4
David J Brooks wrote: I went on the apple store site, and read a lot of battery reviews and most of them are very negative in regards to reliability from apple and or the supplier, thus the inquiry for 3rd party. I don't know their expectations. Mine here just says Replacement Li-Ion Battery for iBook Model No.:A1008 11.1V 4700mAh ... Made in China No real manufacturer, model number, date code of manufacturing, but probably much cheaper and not really worse than the original type. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung NX10
Brian Walters wrote: Just came across this while looking for something else. http://forums.steves-digicams.com/pentax-samsung-dslr/163567-samsung-nx10.html Does this have basically the same sensor as the K20/K7? What puzzles me more: what kind of mount is this? I can't imagine that Samsung does want to build a full range of lenses on their own. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: a Pentax article in a daily read blog
Von: Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net Betreff: a Pentax article in a daily read blog http://photocritic.org/the-case-for-pentax/ not a bad article Hm, it's more a kind of an apology to Pentax customers, although it does not sound as that much of a recommendation. It's more a kind of advertisment, including to tell Pentax to pay them for another round of advertisment. And obviously they just added Pentax to C and N, even more than Sony/Minolta, but ignored Olympus completely. Maybe that's right if 4/3 will move further to Micro Four Thirds, away from DSLR to electronic viewfinder - but up to then there's some more competition within this field. Since the author took care to mention some of the 3rd party lens manufacturers, I wondered about the miss on Olympus. The article lacked most of a perspective how CNP are set up for the future, considering e.g. the new Pentax mother - I feel that's more important than the minor chance of a pro level mid format Pentax system to come, or not. -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: a Pentax article in a daily read blog
paul stenquist wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Martin Trautmann wrote: Von: Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net not a bad article Hm, it's more a kind of an apology to Pentax customers, That wasn't my take on it. It's just a rambling, poorly written blog. I never heard about this blog before and probably never will do again. I did not know whether this blog was related to any serious magazine, I did not mind. However, the page layout was done pretty well and feels good. The level of the article might be sufficient for the editorial - but I now checked the article which might have been the reason: http://photocritic.org/top-entry-level-dslr/ That's not a recommendation, not a guide, just some basic and more or less true assumptions, highly simplifying and not much of any help, IMHO not worth to read or recommend to anyone else. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: time to switch? :)
Sasha Sobol wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180438980987 Seller seems to be pretty pissed of. But is this a valid behavior on ebay.com? I have the right to cancel this auction at any time if the lens sells through other media outlets, regardless of bids here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand
Two examples, list of august 2008 - new list: DA 12-24: 699 - 1299 DA 35 Limited: 399 - 729 Somewhat above inflation and in no relation to recent exchange rate variations. I checked myself by now, since both 2007 and 2008 are still on their site. They raised the price of about 300 products significantly, most of it +20% and more. DA 16-50/2.8:829 - 1199 DA 300/4.0: 1199 - 1699 645: FA 45/2.8: 949 - 1449 FA* 300/4.0:4399 - 6379 ... and many more up to 70%: FA 120/4.0 1299 - 2199 Some more highlights: Frontdeckel 10-17 mm 24.99 - 59.90 (+ 140%) K-Adapter/M42 29.90 - 74.90 (+ 150%) Blitzschuhadapter F35.90 - 92.90 (+ 160%) Frontdeckel 35 Macro9.99 - 39.99 (+ 300%) SMC-A 1.4x S 279 - 1599 (+ 473%) SMC-A 1.4x L 449 - 2399 (+ 434%) SMC-A 2.0x S 489 - 2599 (+ 431%) SMC-A 2.0x L 669 - 2199 (+ 229%) -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand
I checked myself by now, since both 2007 and 2008 are still on their site. I found my 2005 list now as well: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg274600.html I do not know about the prices before, but the prices remained all the same for 2005/2007/2008. Spreading 20 % across four years would be 4.7 %/year - still much more than the local inflation, but not that exaggerated (2005: 1.5%, 2006: 1.6%, 2007:2.3%, 2008:2.6%, total since 2005: 6.6%) - Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand
Some more statistics: smc35: +76% smc35: +30% without smc-A convertors smc645: +43% smc67: +15% all:+33.5% Mostly some bags kept their price. Not a single product became cheaper, not even the K20D. -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand
Here's their new German pricelist: http://www.pentax.de/de/news/1214/media/bd210b383b89e271ae354bae55fcded3 /Produkinformation_Juli_09.pdf As if the wrecking of their customer service hadn't been enough. What's your point? I did not check how much lens prices exploded. Do you care about the recommended price of the K-7 at 1379 EUR? The DA 18-55 WR costs 70 EUR extra (instead of 229), the DA 50-200 WR costs 150 EUR extra (instead of 329) The K20D is at 1249, +50 EUR for the DA 18-55 II (instead of 229) Street price for the K20D was down to 630 EUR, now slightly higher. K200D was down to 449 EUR, gone by now? K-m: 499, +150 EUR for DA L 18-55 and DA L 50-200 (worth 558) K-m only together with 50-200? Street price was down to 465 EUR instead of 659 EUR... - Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand
Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:04:43 +0200 Von: fotor...@gmx.de An: pdml@pdml.net Betreff: Re: As of today, Pentax has become a luxury brand Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de wrote: What's your point? I did not check how much lens prices exploded. Exactly. Look at the prices of the better lenses, i.e. SDM, DA* and Limited... I don't know last year's prices by heart. Do you have them for direct comparison? It was to expect that prices would become much higher, since the same happened in UK + USA (and whereelse?). Sell 100 for 1 % profit or 4 with 25 % is the same for the company (and more much to expect within the current global market) - and increasing the price from 99 to 129 (add a currency of your preference) can be reasonable. Pentax has never had a significant market share within the last years. I guess that the new marketing stopped fighting for higher market shares by being much cheaper. Maybe they are convinced that people will run for the K-7 and will accept higher lens prices. Maybe they are perfectly wrong and Pentax will drown at all. Or maybe prices will drop soon again when the big CN would have cheaper options. - Martin -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax repair service question
Hey kids! I've got a couple auto-focus film bodies in need of service and was thinking about sending them back to Pentax. Anyone have some experience with out-of-warranty repairs at Pentax vs. the other guys (KEH, Essex, etc.)? I've checked their list and the *ist is still on it. The PZ-1 will have to go somewhere else. Repair service Germany is gone. It's either a Canon service now, which also does Pentax, or it's Pentax in Paris / France, instead of Hamburg / Germany. - Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Big Changes
My salary stays the same, in fact it might even be a bit better, since I'll be on a guarantee plus commission if I break my guarantee, so that's all good. And this is a great time of the year weather-wise to be back on the road; I hate the winter, but love riding in the summer, so this should be fun (at least for a while). Depends on the area - where do you work? Personally, I do prefer winter to a hot summer. It must be cold enough to be dry, while I do hate a wet autumn. On the other hand the frequent change between the could outside and overheated, dry office rooms is not that good for ones health. I'll also be taking my camera along with me from time to time, so this could be a good opportunity to document the messenger life for a bit... Take a DSLR with you along the rides? I'd prefer a Weather Resistant Point And Shoot camera here - or maybe somethin with video function during the ride itself ;-) The down-side (for me, if not for you) is that I don't have a home computer and since I won't be sitting at this work computer after today, my posts to the list will be way down. CU later - is some used computer and some network connection that expensive? No chance to live without it any more ;-) Good luck to you, no flats, no accidents and good health, Martin -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Who nose?
No guns, religion, abortion or politics on this list! I know, Frank. :-) Given the current state of affairs maybe one should include Bean counting on that list too. How many are in the average bean bag? Do you need more for a K7, compared to a Nikon D300? SCNR, Martin -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How many DA/DFA lenses do you own?
If I believed that camera development took just a couple of months, I could easily have imagined that Pentax had read my wish list for their next DSLR. Only I posted my list in February. This year... :-) Hm, I do not see that they did that much from your list? http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/02/my-next-camera-wishlist.html I don't know whether personally I'd ask for fuel cells or SSDs. No one in here for a swivel display? The new resolution sounds great. Let's see how bright and power consuming this will be. - Martin -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: new addition, new country, etc
Additionally, the entire family moved to Germany at the end of January, as my husband changed from Army National Guard to Active Duty Army, and we live on a tiny base in the south of Germany called Hohenfels. If anyone is terribly bored, here is an long albeit interesting article about the base and its purpose: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/hohenfels.htm Welcome to Germany, welcome to the Oberpfalz. You're lost in the middle of nowhere (I do come from there). Make sure to visit Regensburg - the best photo shop I did know there is Foto Zacharias, close to the bookstore Pustet. Very small, but rather good. I'm sure soon I'll be regaling everyone with photographs of all the amazing castles here, as well as all the adorable villages and beer fests. Castles? Yes, there are plenty of them. Just plenty of them, very few very special. But we do not mind about houses which are several hundred years old that much. Beer fests as well, and not only that. In some villages the house owner still keep the right to brew (and sell) beer of their own. There's a village around where four houses still may do so. In one of them you just enter their sitting room one week, until the beer is drank up. The next house which is on duty the week after may have a real restaurant, while the former house starts brewing again and will store it up to their term in four weeks again. Food is very rich (that means: lots of pork, potato dumplings) Don't think that this is the same food all over Germany - but try Schweinshaxe, Spanferkel etc. Oh, and the local German dialect is more some kind of barking, lots of ou within the words :-) Enjoy the summer - autumn may be long, wet, grey in this area, while winter probably is not cold enough for lots of snow. I once did some nice (photo) shots in snow at one of the shooting ranges when I was on duty their. - Martin -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pictures of K-7
Any bets on when this camera will hit the market? I'd guess about Thanksgiving. But I have no idea which year. :-) It seems like with cameras, they announce quite close to availablity. It seems to me that both the K10 and k20 were available very soon after they were announced (like a matter of a few weeks). There's no visible price drop on the former models yet. Let's wait for the usual order of announcements: 1) official announcement of model 2) official announcement of availability 3) first market samples 4) first street prices 5) real street prices 6+x) I buy -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: KAF3 - now the official name for SDM support?
I think the official thing about KAF3 is lack of support for camera-driven AF, leaving the lens or camera with SDM as the only means of AF. Hi Jostein, could be. Is there any reasonable explanation for http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/digital_camera--K2000_Lens_and_Flash_System/reqID--10540163/subsection--digital_slr - other than stupidity? K2000 names the KAF3 lens mount (for the body itself!) - and names compatibility for KAF2. I doubt that KAF3 would be KAF2 without mechanical AF drive, but it's hard to say as long als Pentax messes up those things themselves. Thanks, Martin -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: KAF3 - now the official name for SDM support?
Is there any change, other than adding support for SDM (Supersonic Drive Motor) support? side note: pentax.de names SDM as Super Dynamic Motor (google: 18 instead of 88 hits) I'm afraid that Pentax never ever will learn how to use matching names for their products. Upper or lower case, with or without dashes, maybe it's all the same for a company which is used to Japanese text. -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
KAF3 - now the official name for SDM support?
Hi all, is KAF3 the official name now? Is there any change, other than adding support for SDM (Supersonic Drive Motor) support? http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/summary/index.html ends at crippled KAF2 for 1997. It does name the latest models up to the K20D, but does not name the K-m (K2000D) yet. It does not differ between KAF3 and KAF2. Same for e.g. dpreview.com: they did not update the specs for K10D (after firmware update), K100D super and upwards. Thanks, Martin -- GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit Pastry Passion! http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DA 18-55 Version I vs. II
Hi all, the 18-55 kit lens might lack some quality compared to other, much more expensive lenses. But AFAIK it does perform surprisingly well for its price or value (about $50 to $100?). How is the difference to its current successor? = 18-55mm = f 1:3.5-1:5.6 - lenses 12 - 11 - groups 9 - 8 = distance 0.25 m = fmin 22-38 = filter 52mm = length 67.5mm = diameter 68mm - weight 225 g - 220 g Apart from the different label with an extra red II I do not see any outside difference. Specs are almost identical, mainly one lens and one group less, thus less weight and probably less manufacturing cost. Did they improve optical quality by omitting a lens? I guess it does improve profit only. Are there any side-by-side comparisons? -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax's Tatamiya Interview Part II, #1
On 2006-11-01 19:25, K.Takeshita wrote: Q; How about the weather proofing of lenses? A: We cannot claim weather-proof for the current line up of lenses. However, as we expressed in the case of LX, which was dust sealed, it is difficult for water to seep into the lens because of its construction, i.e., the combination of tight cylindrical tubes. While it depends on the severity of the environment, in most cases, there should be no major concerns. In the case of the latest DA lenses, as they have no aperture rings, it is one less negative element for the water seeping possibility. The lenses which we can formally claim as water-proof are those 3 DA* lenses that we announced in Photokina this year. Do those new lenses have a fixed outer size? Otherwise every zoom movement will suck in some air, causing changing humidity and condensation inside. However, I guess there's no major 'fog' problems within lenses and sensors? - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D vs D80
On 2006-09-29 14:25, Juan Buhler wrote: Of course, I suggested he goes with the K10D, saying that its specs are closer to a D200 than to a D80. He's leaning towards it, but says that he likes that Nikon has an 18-135 lens--he doesn't want to carry any extra lenses (!). He should take a compact camera instead. What's the use of having exchangable lenses, when you don't want to exchange them. Get a decent Sony etc. instead... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Exclusive Hands-On Preview: Pentax K10D
On 2006-09-29 11:13, Roman wrote: Exclusive Hands-On Preview: *Pentax* K10D http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/3126/exclusive-hands-on-preview-pentax-k10d.html Popular Photography Magazine - USA By Jonathan Barkey. Based on our test drive of a late-stage K10D prototype, we'd say *Pentax* has graduated from D-SLR underdog to serious contender. That's not much of a preview - not much which was not named before, while some claims which have no proof from real hand-on verification. Did I miss a page two somewhere? Maybe new: - number of seals: 72 (if this was of any importance) - SR improved to K100D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
viewfinder magnification (was Re: K100D SR)
On 2006-06-27 15:43, John Francis wrote: Thanks for the clarification. I now understand better what magnification means. I did not expect that what you see in the viewfinder of a DSLR is that much smaller than the image of a full frame. Note that I'm comparing an MX (an early, minimal-automation camera) with the *ist-D. The later Pentax bodies, with more information to be shown in the viewfinder, dedicate less of the total area to the image - they have to leave room for electronic readouts for aperture, shutter speed, focus point selection, focus confirmation, over/under exposure, etc. The MX had minimal additional information; the shutter speed was superimposed on the image area, and the aperture was visible through a small window that let you see the aperture ring on the lens. The only extra information was the five coloured LEDs for exposure (an electronic form of the old match needle metering). By the time you get to the auto focus bodies, though, the magnification has been cut back to somewhere between 0.7x and 0.8x. For bodies such as the MZ-6 (aka the ZX-L) or MZ-7 (ZX-7) the total image area, at 90% coverage and 0.7x magnification, is only a little larger than the *ist-D (95% coverage and 95% magnification of a rectangle only 67% of full frame). That's an interesting info. Yes, the MX seems to be very special, where MX-6/7 are special on the other edge of the scale. The *istDL / K100D is within a different range than the *istD / *istDS. From http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/viewfinder.html I learn that a magnification of 1.00 would be perfect when you have your standard lense (50 mm full frame) and crosscheck with the open other eye. I guess this technique is hardly used with current cameras? The page named above lists the magnification for different cameras. I found those results after I checked Boris' (always excellent) overview, since it lacked a viewfinder magnification for the LX (side note below). Robert Monaghan's numbers differ slightly from the spec numbers: Both PZ-1 and ZX-5 are speced at 0.8, while Robert names 0.86 and 0.78. Here's the full Pentax list from Boris: model VF vis mount MZ-6 / ZX-L 0.7 92% KAF MZ-7 / ZX-7 0.7 92% KAF MZ-30 / ZX-30 0.7 92% crippled KAF *ist0.7 90% crippled KAF MZ-S0.7592% KAF2 MZ-D0.7592% KAF2 MZ-10 / ZX-10 0.7792% KAF2 MZ-50 / ZX-50 0.7792% crippled KAF MZ-60 / ZX-60 0.7790% crippled KAF MZ-M / ZX-M 0.7792% KA2 Z-10 / PZ-100.7792% KAF2 Z-50p 0.7792% KAF2 Z-70 / PZ-700.7792% KAF2 MZ-30.8 92% KAF2 MZ-5n / ZX-5n 0.8 92% KAF2 MZ-5 / ZX-5 0.8 92% KAF2 Z-1p / PZ-1p0.8 92% KAF2 Z-1 / PZ-1 0.8 92% KAF2 Z-5p0.8 92% KAF2 Z-5 0.8 92% KAF2 Z-20 / PZ-200.8 92% KAF2 SFXn/SF1n 0.8192% KAF SFX/SF1 0.8192% KAF superA 0.8292% KA programA0.8292% KA A3/A30000.8292% KA P5/P50 0.8292% KA P3n/P30n0.8292% KA P3/P30 0.8292% KA SF7/SF100.8292% KAF MV1 0.8592% K MV 0.8592% K *ist DL 0.8595% crippled KAF2 KM(motor) 0.8793% K KM 0.8793% K MG 0.8792% K K2 DMD 0.8895% K K2 0.8895% K KX(motor) 0.8893% K KX 0.8893% K K1000SE 0.88? % K K1000 0.88? % K LX(early) 0.9 98% K LX(late)0.9 98% K ME F0.9592% KF ME Super0.9592% K ME 0.9592% K *ist D 0.9595% crippled KAF2 *ist DS20.9595% crippled KAF2 *ist DS 0.9595% crippled KAF2 MX 0.9795% K Comments on LX: there are eight exchangable viewfinders, but I did not see specs for them. Some sources name 0.9, others 0.86. Visible area is speced at 98%. Other sources confirm 98% vertically, but 95% horizontally. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 2006-06-26 19:29, John Francis wrote: Put an MX and a *ist-D up, side by side, one to each eye (you'll have to do that with the cameras in portrait position), each with a 50mm lens fitted, and objects seen through the two viewfinders *will* appear to be the same size (and will appear just a little smaller than you would see with the naked eye). It's just that the MX will crop to one rectangualr portion of the total field of view, while the *ist-D will crop to a somewhat smaller one. Most viewfinders, in fact, try to present their image at an apparent distance of around 1m from the eye. So if you imagine a wall about 1m in front of you the MX viewfinder (with a 50mm lens) is just about like looking through a rectangular 30 x 20 window in that wall, while the *ist-D viewfinder (with the same 50mm lens) is like looking through a 20 x 13.3 window. But in each case the objects, as seen through those windows, are the same apparent size. Thanks for the clarification. I now understand better what magnification means. I did not expect that what you see in the viewfinder of a DSLR is that much smaller than the image of a full frame. Some people do consider this as an advantage. Personally, I thought the wider, the better, as long as you will see the full image. Former SLRs where a good setup for me. 'tunneling' into a DSLR was an effect that I expected more from the mirror viewfinders (Olympus 4/3rds), while I now feel it's directly linked to the sensor size. But I expected 1:1.5 magnifcation of the viewfinder before (comparing SLR:DSLR). - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Thanks, that's what I would have wanted to say (only 67 % left). Since there are not that many f1.4 lenses left, it's more like 2.8 to 3.5 (or 3.43) ;-) On 2006-06-26 13:14, John Forbes wrote: Your maths is wrong. .33 darker. And as the viewfinders happen to be very good, I personally don't notice the difference. It's only like going from a 1.4 to a 1.7 lens. On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:12:53 +0100, Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 2006-06-26 12:40, John Francis wrote: You're both wrong. It's either no darker (just cropped to a smaller area) - so you assume that there's no additional magnification within the viewfinder? Personally, I assumed first that the viewfinder image is the same as before. I checked - and I'm wrong. Analog kameras where at abount 0.7 .. 0.8 magnification, covering around 92 % (MX/ZX series). *ist was 0.7 of 90 %. Digital cameras where 0.95 of 95% (*istD or *istDS) and 0.85 of 95% (*istDL and probably K100D). I guess this is somewhere in between: the viewfinder is not half area (as the sensor is, cropped from 24x36 to roughly 18x24). But it's not magnified to full format viewfinder either. so just as bright in illumination per equal area (or equal solid angle submitted at the eye), or it's 1/(1.5)^2 as much total illumination, which is a little over one stop difference (it's like going from f/1.4 to f/2.1). Hm - I guess you are right. Half sensor area translates directly to half light, which is exactly one aperture step. So what's the total? (1/2 * 0.95) / (1 * 0.7) = 0.67. The K100D has 67% brightness of a ZK-L? Please correct me when I'm wrong... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!
On 2006-06-19 10:58, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That's a reasonable argumentation. But it does lack the proof. ... I see absolutely no basis for trying to prove anything with this information unless what you want to do is complain about something. There is no possibility of proof as there is insufficient information to base a proof on. Analysis of the product will be the proof of any assertions, not some technical document offered by the marketing department. I hoped that there may be other sources which knew better - and I was told from a 3rd party by now that the electronics are a major redesign. That's no real prove for you, but I trust this source. So the improvement of the image quality should be due both to firmware and hardware. What an official document of this nature means is that Pentax marketing wants to get some attention directed at the new products and their features. These documents mean next to nothing with regard to engineering and technical information. marketing - mean next to nothing - I'm afraid you're right. Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: First K100D review with samples
On 2006-06-20 10:05, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Translated. Includes interesting interview with one of developers. Ken was right - SR was in development for about 20 years!!! And results are very good, even with shutter speeds 3 stops lower than it would be normally required. http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=ja~enu=http%3A%2F% 2Fkakaku.com%2Farticle%2Fad%2F06%2Fk100d%2Findex.html It's some fun to read the auto translation. However, one question comes to mind: They describe the SR mechanism as a kind of frictionless electromagnetic system, taking no energy loss. Ok - no energy loss is marketing speech. It will take energy to accelerate the sensor in one direction, it will take energy to stop it again, and it will take energy to move it back. Frictionless sounds like some kind of magnetic levetation. This would mean, that when powered on the CCD will lift of the zero-position for a minimum amount of space. This lifting would shift the projection area. AF needs a different focus adjustment. Does the camera refocus when you turn SR on and off? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: First K100D review with samples
On 2006-06-20 07:46, William Robb wrote: I suspect you are taking the anal-literal approach to reading these things. Yes, I'd say so. It's the view of a technical person who does try to understand the function behind. Others don't mind there anal results or oral input, as long as there's anything in between. What's your approach? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!
On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote: Hi All, Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR other K10d features. http://www.pentaxslr.com/images/SHAKE_REDUCTION_FACT SHEET.pdf What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users, upgrading their firmware? So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades? : Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models? :: Yes, it is. : : Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models? : :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!
On 2006-06-19 12:02, Perry Pellechia wrote: How do you know that these improvement can be implemented with just a firmware upgrade? Where did you find this information? It's within the documents, both referenced and quoted below. Once again: image quality is even higher [...] due to upgraded firmware They name *firmware*, not *hardware*. There may be other reasons why a firmware upgrade is not done for *istD. As long as someone else does not name better sources, you might even guess that a *istD upgrade is prevented in order to justify higher K10* sales. On 6/19/06, Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote: Hi All, Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR other K10d features. http://www.pentaxslr.com/images/SHAKE_REDUCTION_FACT SHEET.pdf What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users, upgrading their firmware? So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades? : Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models? :: Yes, it is. : : Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models? : :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!
On 2006-06-19 09:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It is the job of engineers at Pentax to constantly improve the image quality of the cameras they produce. Not all of these improvements are *possible* to do to older bodies, even if it were cost effective to do so. Even if there are substantial image quality gains to be had in JPEG rendering, much of the algorithm used is embedded into the hardware of the graphics rendering chip in a digital camera for both speed and cost reasons. Hi Godfrey, thanks for the comment. But do you have any insight, which of this does apply to K100D vs. *istD? - is the image quality better? Pentax says yes. - is the sensor identical? Pentax says yes. - is there any relevant different hardware? Pentax does not state this clearly. I'd expect certain improvements, although I don't know whether these differences will absolutely prevent a firmware improvement for old hardware, whether they are required for image quality or whether they focus on other limitations. - is it a firmware difference? Pentax says yes. There is no reason to assume that a firmware upgrade can change the rendering algorithm beyond a certain point. That's a reasonable argumentation. But it does lack the proof. On the other hand, we got an 'official' document. My interpretation is kind of worst case, which may be far beyond the goal of this interview. But for dicussion, I feel that it's a reasonable assumption to guess that what they write is actually true. Pentax has done what an excellent job of providing useful improvements with firmware revisions to the *ist D_ series cameras, and is supporting the existing user base very well. They have done significant improvements. I'm not that much into the details to know whether they did enough improvements (people are happy with image quality? reasonable balance between jpg quality, speed and size, compared to picture quality from RAW processing to other jpg? Small RAW sizes by now?). But I know many products which could be (almost) as good as others, as long as they were not crippled by software limitations. For example, I got an MP3 player recently (iRiver U10 2GB UMS). There's a new player around by now with better startup and better navigation (iRiver clix, although much cheaper). I know that it got an upgraded CPU, compared to the first 512 MB and 1 GB models. But I doubt that the improvements could not be ported to the former U10. On the other hand the company provided a surprising update to convert between MTP and UMS software - former models for the US market where crippled to the MTP version. Now bad omens claim that this is a final move since iRiver might leave this market, so they don't mind about decreasing Win friendliness. If you know better about the questions above, please let me know. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Local Gas Prices
On 2006-04-30 12:13, graywolf wrote: Those numbers are pretty close to what I came up with for Canada, but not for the US. Maybe your numbers include all military bases, embassies, ships or ruled countries ;-) - Martin
Re: Local Gas Prices
On 2006-04-29 20:21, Bob W wrote: Sure. In that case, North America is tiny compared with Europe. As long as you forget everything except Maryland. Check the globe or an area-true map to compare north america vs. africa... Or check China or India vs. US Or check the density of inhabitants of China and Japan... ... or whatever you like. Any comparison may teach you more than you knew before ;-) - Martin
Re: Local Gas Prices
On 2006-04-27 19:21, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What are the prices in your area? I just checked a random shell station http://www.shell-tankstelle.de/stationsfinder/station_details_view.asp?site_id=D26818 Diesel 1.164 Truck Diesel 1.159 Benzin 1.364 Super 1.384 V-Power1.479 V-Power Diesel 1.269 (No Bio-Diesel) (No Gas) (2006-04-28 15:11) As usual the gazoline companies increased the prices significantly for the easter holidays. They dropped shortly after, but they are high again. Prices in EUR/l.1 gal = 3.7854 l; 1 EUR = 1.25 $ - 1.364 EUR/l = 645.4 cents per gallon Benzin: ROZ 91, Super: ROZ 95, Super plus: ROZ 98, V-Power: ROZ 100 (all lead free) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/2b/KraftstoffpreiseNormalbenzinDeutschland.png/633px-KraftstoffpreiseNormalbenzinDeutschland.png is a price chart for local prices from 1950 until 2005: around 0.60 DM/l from 1951 until 1971 Prices here may change several times a day. Most stations change the price automatically from a central headquarter - but the prices vary from town to town by around 10 %. - Martin
Re: Local Gas Prices
On 2006-04-28 16:34, Tim Øsleby wrote: I don't have time for a large debate, I'm going away, but I just have to get this off my chest: And who says we _have_ to transport our daily life goods around the globe? IMO, doing that is plain stupidity. Buy local food slow food. I try to live by that slogan, but it is near impossible. I'm always surprised how cheap it is. Apart from ships dedicated e.g. to south american orange juice (I don't know what they transport backwards), it's amazingly cheap to ship a full container of tea or other stuff around the world, when you spread these costs on the product itself. Transporting this futher on by truck may cost much more for the final miles. That's one of the reasons why transporting apples from the other side of the continent (including low farming and harvest costs) is much cheaper that the local fruits around. Not a good idea - but still a reasonable economic behavior. This is because many of us don't care about what we do to Mother Earth. (I'm not accusing any specific persons, please have that in mind). You should not go away now. Better to stay at home instead of driving around. The individual's motorized traffic is one of the major wastes of energy (together with heating in this county or cooling elswhere). Sorry about this political outburst. Let me add a little friendly :-) Don't get me wrong ;-) Martin
Re: Local Gas Prices
On 2006-04-28 11:47, graywolf wrote: The concept that public transportation is cheaper is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at capacity. I don't think so. The numbers which I remember where always based on certain capacity averages - such as more than one, but less than five per car. In fact very little public transportation operates at more than 10% of capacity overall. I'd say that only few use more than 100 % (although many do within rush hours, while there are some countries or routes which have 90 % 'rush' hours). After all it has to be sized to carry the rush hour traffic, No - there are modular approaches. Smaller planes, less waggons or extended frequency for low traffic times. but has to run all the time or it would not be a viable alternative at all. That's ist's strength. A bus may run 12 hours a day, where you do use your own car around half an hour only. I have often noticed that Eco Freaks have a very strange concept of how economics work. I've noticed that, too. But I notice as well that people just expect their right for free traffic (streets don't come for free), consuming fossile resources, poluting the environment, creating C0_2 etc. Coould you imagine that from the Eco's point of view the other behavior may look very strange? - Martin
Re: New Announcement?
On 2006-04-05 19:32, Martin Trautmann wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060405/tc_nm/japan_pentax_dc_1 - goal to ship 3.0 million digital cameras in 2006/07 - goal to ship 240 000 DSLRs in 2006/2007 - estimated 120 000 DSLR units in 2005/2006 (what's the number of C, N, KM, O?) Unfortunately no one named those numbers. I guess it's Nikon-SLR: 140 000 (estim. 2006), 240 000 (2005), 310 000 (estim. 2005), 680 000 (2004) Nikon-Digital: 7 800 000 (estim. 2006), 6 610 000 (2005), 5 400 000 (2004) Nikon-DSLR: 1 500 000 (estim. 2006), 1 000 000 (estim. 2005), 300 000 (2004) Canon-Digital: 19 200 000 (estim. 2006), 16 900 000 (2005) Canon-DSLR: 59 % (2006), 2 200 000 (estim. 2006), 1 900 000 (2005) DSLR total: 7 900 000 (estim. 2009 by IDC), 2 500 000 (2004)
Re: Comments on 28mm F2.8 FA AL
On 2006-04-04 10:52, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Any comments on the quality of the subject lens? AFAIK it's very good value. BTW: are there any known details why 20/2.8, 24/2.0 and 28/2.8 where discontinued, although these lenses where good quality, good value and even more suitable for DSLR crop factors? 85/1.4 or 135/2.8 are other primes which where discontinued, leaving significant gaps (ok, the 77/1.8 is still around) - Martin
Re: New Announcement?
On 2006-04-05 08:20, Doug Franklin wrote: Pentax in talks on camera production with Samsung http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060405/tc_nm/japan_pentax_dc_1 Is this really news, an expansion of the agreement we knew about, or is it simply a restatement of that existing agreement? The dateline is Wed 5 Apr 2006 @ 02:13 ET. I feel it's more facts than before: - still no win, first profit expected 2006/2007 - goal to ship 3.0 million digital cameras in 2006/07 - goal to ship 240 000 DSLRs in 2006/2007 - estimated 120 000 DSLR units in 2005/2006 (what's the number of C, N, KM, O?) - common production of bodies under discussion, while at the moment it's just development. I did not understand the expected sales numbers of $1.4 billion - I guess it's for the whole company. Otherwise each digital camera would be sold for an average of $467. On the other hand, estimating about $100/camera, digital imaging would be a quarter of the company's business? - Martin
1:1 comparison Schneider - Pentax
Hi all, is there any direct comparison of Samsungs lenses with Schneider label and the matchin Pentax original? I wonder whether they are identical (apart from the labels). Does SMC apply to both? Is there any other difference? Thanks, Martin
Re: What would be a good name for the new body?
On 2006-04-01 07:10, Mark Roberts wrote: John Forbes wrote: I go with the DX suggestion. Logical, sensible, sounds good. So will Pentax use it?.. Nikon has registered DX as a trademark for their APS-C-sized series of lenses and digital cameras. In fact, they generally refer to reduced-frame digital as DX format rather than APS-C. what's the name of the DX encoding on film cartridges? It meant 'Data EXchange'. Introduced 1983 by Kodak, extended 1996 for APS as DX-iX I feel that 'DX' would have a double bonus, first as the professional series LX etc., second naming the Roman 'X' as ten for the 10 MP sensor (as in MacOSX). A DX trademark for Nikon cameras will be a killer. DiX sounds like Digital Imaging / Dimage. Maybe they stick to *ist - *istDX
Re: What would be a good name for the new body?
On 2006-03-31 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Didn't we do this about a month ago??) Yes: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:45:11 +0100 Subject: what's the name of the new Pentax 10MP camera?
Re: Good press for Pentax in Europe this month
On 2006-03-19 01:33, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: They've compared the following lenses: Canon EF 2.8/14 mm L USM, AF-Nikkor 2.8/14 mm D ED, Pentax DA 2.8/14 mm ED, and Tamron SP 2.8/14 mm asph. IF. The result is a most pleasant surprise: lens optical mechanical Canon 67 %90 % Nikon 77 %90 % Pentax89 %89 % Tamron69 %88 % Since I did not know those models, I expected a much more expensive Pentax model. However, I was surprised: price [EUR] Canon EF 2.8/14mm L USM (2508A003) 1750 Nikon AF 2.8/14mm D ED (JAA130DA)1805 Pentax smc DA 2.8/14mm (21510)630 Sigma AF 2.8/14mm EX Asp HSM RF 635 Tamron SP AF 2.8/14mm 2.8 Asp IF 1245 (German lowest prices from geizhals.at) - Martin
what's the name of the new Pentax 10MP camera?
Hi all, what's your guess about the name of the next *istD? The 10 MP camera does not show a name yet. http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/press-image/200609-04.jpg http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200609.html Will it be a *ist D2? Since Samsung did GX-1S = *ist DS2 and GX-1L = *ist DL2, they would have to name this as GX-1? How about *ist DA (advanced) or *ist DP (professional)? Or even better *ist D*... - Martin
Re: Freiburg Market
Last June my wife and I spent a couple of days in Freiburg, Germany. What a lovely town! My favorite place is the market square surrounding the cathedral, where there is a very lively market 6 mornings a week. Glad to here that you liked it ;-) Two other enticing features are interesting geometric designs inlaid on the sidewalks, and an incredible number of bicycles. Not to mention the small streams (Bächle) all over the city center - if you were here in winter, you'll have to come back between spring and autumn ;-) And yet another side note: it's one of the warmest cities in Germany. Greetings from Freiburg, Martin
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 2006-02-24 06:08, Paul Stenquist wrote: You can get two of the new Pentax for the price of one 5D. Or you could make a sizable down payment on the 645D, which apparently will be much higher spec than the 5D. So the new roadmap indicates: - 'consumer cameras' use APS sized sensors and DA-lenses with PK mount - 'pro cameras' use a full frame sensor and DFA-lenses with PK mount The professional roadmap is 6x7 cm - 6x4.5 cm - 3.6x2.4? Now the body form factor still looks big, while the lens mount is PK, mixing medium format and 35 mm? ok, I'll take that - at least this will promise some new DFA lenses for my analog bodies ;-) - Martin
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 2006-02-24 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lens mount for the new pro camera is not PK, it's the 645 mount. How do you know? And the sensor isn't 35mm full frame. I suppose that it's not really 35 mm. 36x24 mm - ø 43 mm, 60:45 @ 43 mm - 34.6 x 26.0 mm That's 4 % more area ;-) I missed the smc PENTAX-FA *645* on http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/press-image/200609-06.jpg So you're probably right that they'll keep the bigger format. - Martin
Re: what's the name of the new Pentax 10MP camera?
On 2006-02-24 13:00, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: *istDX from staristdesix to staristde-x? Nice idea. (all former DSLRs had 6 MP, now it's a ten as in MacOSX) Could be. I felt the 'Mac-of-Photography' was Olympus, while Pentax was more some kind of IBM - offering the best idea many times, but being too late now.
price comparisons *istD* (was Re: Any reason not to buy a *istD?)
On 2005-11-11 14:00, Martin Trautmann wrote: On 2005-11-10 11:09, John Forbes wrote: It's not advertised much, but for the last nine months the D has generally been sold for the same price as the DS in the UK. while checking German EU prices: http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?fs=istdx=0y=0in= *istD: 1000 EUR *istDs: 600 EUR *istDL: 600 EUR What's the price level in other countries? Niko sent me some feedback for Finland. Are there other price comparisons online which show price trends of the last months? Here's a snapshot: Countrycurrency *istD *istDs *istDL price comparison --++---+++--- GermanyEUR 1000 600 600www.geizhals.at FinlandEUR700 680 670 France EUR US USD 1000 630 585www.dpreview.com UK GBP 670+560 430www.kelkoo.co.uk ... (+: UK price included 18-35) Further additions are welcome, Martin
Re: SV: Any reason not to buy a *istD?
On 2005-11-10 11:09, John Forbes wrote: It's not advertised much, but for the last nine months the D has generally been sold for the same price as the DS in the UK. while checking German EU prices: http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?fs=istdx=0y=0in= *istD: 1000 EUR *istDs: 600 EUR *istDL: 600 EUR price trend shows it down to 950 EUR, but never on *istDs level http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?phist=63313age=365 u may convert German prices almost 1:1 to USD: exchange rate is about 1 EUR = 1.20 USD, but the German tax (currently 16 %) is included. What are the UK prices? - Martin
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-16 10:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The report that caused a lot of hubbub about JPEG was Phil Askey's review of the DS on DPReview.com. Yes - and it's one of the best documented and usable setups I know. His test procedure set the camera to its defaults in Auto Picture or Program mode, I feel, this is very justified, too. Systems should be at a reasonable default setup. Only few people have the knowledge to alter this default in order to get the optimum out of it. Most people would not mind (e.g. combining the top-of-the-line SLR with a super zoom lense 24-300). But although people could obtain better results by taking a better setup, for comparions it's very reasonable to use the 'default' setup. There's a German testing organisation (Stiftung Warentest) which is blamed many times for 'crazy' test conditions. Maybe people know better. There are many things that I could critize, where I might no better. But there are some general testing rules for them: - they have no advertisment in their journal 'test' - they buy the products from the shelf (various real market source instead of triple-tested models from the manufacturer himself) (... and that's one of the explanations why their results always are very late, while the model may have disappeared from the market - they test the user interface as a typical user with little experience would expect - they test typical configurations So a superb camera may obtain poor results for image quality, since the camera comes with a rather poor set lense. You may find this by reading the rather good explanation which caused the fault - but the dealer may use the total test certificate only (such as 'sehr gut' = 'very good'). which means Vivid (highly saturated) color rendering, a high degree of sharpening and contrast, sRGB colorspace. This is documented within the manuals, as well as the effect of other settings? This degrades image quality when you're measurbating and comparing image quality at the pixel:pixel level, other DSLR manufacturer defaults are often a bit softer, but Pentax spiked up the defaults for the intended consumer/ snapshooter audience who mostly output to 4x6 prints. All other reports I've seen about JPEG problems were directly traceable to this DPReview report. Like parrots in a bordello... ;-) Agreed - but did Pentax offer any update or info which setup would be suited best for which operation? I'll have a look at http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/istds.pdf ... no occurrence of 'vivid' within this manual. Function reference 107ff tells me little about different default setups and recommendations. From page 176 I read: default saturation: 0 (of 5), sharpness 0 (of 5), contrast 0 (of 5), quality level *** (best, of 3: best/better/good), Color Space sRGB (or AdobeRGB instead) You mentionned elsewhere 'natural' image tone instead of 'bright' (default and no override for Picture modes) I normally save exposures in RAW format. dpreview stated here, that Pentax' RAW is huge, since it's uncompressed. This is true by now? The key is Natural color mode and Adobe RGB color space. Natural color mode *ONLY* works in P, Tv, Av, and M exposure modes; Auto Picture and all the program presets override the setting and go to Vivid. So you don't have any other choice there? I feel this qualifies for taking 'vivid' for comparisons, as well as for critisizing the poorer default quality. Do you know any other comparison documented online, comparing the jpeg quality of different cameras, which is of better quality than dpreview looks like? - Martin
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-19 07:46, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 19, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote: I feel, this is very justified, too. Systems should be at a reasonable default setup. ... The defaults Pentax set work very well for whom they targeted them to be useful. Hm - I feel that the result is reasonable. However, a DSLR is IMHO aimed at higher precision than ordinary PS - so the default setup could be expected to offer high quality. At least ISO and resolution defaults are high, too. The use the word Bright, not Vivid ... sorry. Page 108 in the *ist DS manual, the Color Tone option describes the setting. Thanks - So I don't have to look for vivid. But then I do understand your critique even less: Is it correct that the default setup (which is a fixed default for picture modes) will produce images that are significantly worse than those from other DSLRs? Your suggested solutions were - change the setp (which can be done for non-picture-modes only) - use RAW (which is double size compared to other companies) *ist DS PEF files are 9.7-10.8 Mbytes in size apiece. Canon 10D CRW files are 6.5-7.8 Mbytes apiece. While the Pentax files are larger, I see little reason to disparage them as being huge. I don't know how fast compression is: saving double sized raw images could be slower. On the other hand compression + compressed saving might take longer than saving uncompressed. So I don't know whether there's a speed penalty. However, there's a storage penalty when your memory device can take half the images only. For the users for whom the program presets were created, those who normally want to make modest sized prints directly out of the camera, the settings are excellent: they do a better job than the program presets on my Canon 10D, for instance. Agreed - maybe they print directly from the camera. For enthusiasts who want to get the most out of the camera, they use P, Tv, Av, M and B settings. Hm - 'enthusiasts' refused P or AF (and probably some time ago Tv and Av, too). Maybe the refuse to use auto-ISO, too. However, I'n mot sure whether auto picture modes is NOT a default setup for many enthusiasts who expect reasonably best results. Do you know any other comparison documented online, comparing the jpeg quality of different cameras, which is of better quality than dpreview looks like? I don't personally search for all possible review sites. I look at DPReview, Imaging-Resource, Steve's and a couple others as people mention them. I did not check all of them - but the logical questions would be: - what's the optimum JPEG setup for best quality - how does this compare to other cameras' optimum setup - is there a choice (e.g. via firmware updates or optios) to make this setup the new default Maybe this was answered before? I feel that your answer did not correct the info that Pentax' JPEG output is of inferior quality, but confirmed it. Normally, I just go to the store and look at a camera I'm interested in myself, shoot my own test images, and make my judgments from that. That's a good idea how the camera feels. But it's not exactly true, how well the camera performs compared to others. If you just want the look and feel of the camera - and its test shots - that's sufficient. But the digital area offers better options to compare picture quality directly. It's what should be expected from camera comparisons: where does one perform better than the other. Personally, I don't have the equipment to do those tests. That's why external verifications appear so valuable - and why I'd like to understand what should be wrong about them.
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-19 09:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:32 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote: I did not check all of them - but the logical questions would be: - what's the optimum JPEG setup for best quality I already gave you the settings I use. yes, you did. But up to now I don't know any comparison about the results, telling me the details. - how does this compare to other cameras' optimum setup On the 10D, to get JPEGs the way I want them requires similar changes to the parameters. - is there a choice (e.g. via firmware updates or optios) to make this setup the new default No. I guess not yet. Maybe there'll come the day that this info is layed open. You pointed out very well that Pentax' decision is suited very well for direct printing. Sigh. Inferior quality is a judgement based upon many factors. I feel that it is inappropriately ascribed to the use of the Pentax at its automated defaults compared to the competition at their defaults because the Pentax defaults are intended to be used a certain way and the other cameras are providing results which meet the test inspection criteria for a different use. Agreed - but Pentax did not label this setup as 'best for direct print' vs. 'better for processing'. If I carry my card case with a few SD and CF cards, make 10 exposures with each camera I'm interested in of standard targets, and then take my cards home and study the results at my leisure... I'm learning a lot more about the cameras than just how they feel. That's what I do. Congrats if you can do so. Thanks, Martin
Re: new German pricelist
On 2005-09-15 14:37, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I looked at the list you posted and found that, of the six new lenses on your list that I have purchased, my average price was 32% less than what they're listed for in germany. Hi Godfrey, you payed the recommended price (UVP) or the street price? Description UVP [EUR] street smc-DA 12-24/4,0 ED (AL) Preis folgt smc-DA 1645/4,0 ED (AL) 549.00 439 smc-DA 1855/4,05,6199.00 80 smc-DA 50200/4,05,6 ED 299.00 227 smc-DA 14/2,8 ED (IF) 799.00 601 smc-DA 40/2,8 Limited Edition 399.00 325 smc-FAJ 1835/45,6 AL 499.00 415 smc-FA 2035/4,0 AL699.00 555 smc-FAJ 2880/3,55,6 AL 99.00 83 smc-FA 28-90/3.5-5.6105 smc-FA 28105/3,24,5 AL (IF), silber 329.00 257 smc-FA 28105/3,24,5 AL (IF), schwarz 329.00 257 smc-FA 3580/4,05,6129.00 93 smc-FAJ 75300/4,85,8 AL 149.00 119 smc-A80200/4,75,6 129.00 103 smc-FA 100-300/4.7-5.8 229 smc-FA 20/2.8 606 smc-FA 31/1,8 AL Limited Edition, silber 1.099.00 920 smc-FA 31/1,8 AL Limited Edition, schwarz1.099.00 920 smc-FA 43/1,9 Limited Edition, silber 619.00 485 smc-FA 43/1,9 Limited Edition, schwarz 619.00 485 smc-FA 77/1,8 Limited Edition2), silber919.00 775 smc-DFA 50/2,8 Makro 1:1549.00 489 smc-DFA 100/2,8 Makro 1:1599.00 524 smc-FA 100/2.8 Makro619 smc-FA 100/3.5 Makro209 Those German street prices are best prices from geizhals.at, most listed from dnet24.de, a dealer I've never used before (Foto Thun in Eisleben, Eastern Germany, charges 5 EUR extra when you fetch it from the store) So 30 % off is hardly to beat in Germany (where Pentax is much less known than CNM). However, the set lense DA 18-55 is a bargain ;-) - Martin
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-13 20:17, Glen wrote: At 05:06 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote: On 2005-09-12 18:09, Adam Maas wrote: The DS creates poor JPEG images? What's wrong with them? Check e.g. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds/page18.asp - they had to compare RAW since JPEG was surprisingly poor. Image quality issues? Yes - with the default setup File size issues? No - file size is a matter for RAW since the DS does not compress the files, as others do. Are there any comparions around about different JPEG settings? - Martin
Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-13 12:45, Shel Belinkoff wrote: LONG URL's: Perhaps those posting messages with long URL's can use Tiny Url to shorten these addresses Please: http://tinyurl.com/ I prefer long URLs instead of a redirect via tinyurl where I don't know where I'll end up. However many URLs could be limited. For ebay the item number alone is sufficient. BOTTOM POSTING: many listers post their replies to the bottom of original messages, or at the bottom of a series of replies and threads. Often the post is just a simple me too type post, or something simple and short. How about posting such responses ABOVE the messages, and, while you're at it, perhaps trimming the messages to reflect just the relevant comments to which you're responding. No. It's a much discussed problem. But when you prefer Top Postings - then the best is to delete the complete full quote. It won't make any difference whether it's top or bottom ;-) Instead of your full quote you should use References/In-Reply-To instead: (maybe you never noticed them: they are hidden within the header lines) This is required by the standards and should be included by every email software as soon as you reply to a message. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting is a good overview of pro/con TRIMMING MESSAGES: How about taking a moment to delete some earlier messages in a thread instead of just automatically including huge amounts of text that has to be waded through to finally get to the most recent post. Exactly. Some people discussed archives recently. Archives could be improved and compressed significantly by omitting all those fullquotes. Those quotes are very important for forwarding messages to other people. However, for replies they mainly show that the poster either did not understand how email should operate or he does not mind about his readers. JM2C Martin
Re: CC warning: 10 megapixel camera
On 2005-09-13 21:05, Mark Roberts wrote: The CC in CC warning stands for coffee cats. This means that if you are drinking coffee and have a cat in your lap when you visit the following web page, the subsequent convulsions of laughter may result in deep scratches in your thighs and coffee all over your keyboard. You have been warned: http://www.fivefingerdiscount.co.uk/Trupixflip.htm How does a camera with a 2048 x 1536 sensor yield 10 megapixels? ...by using a breakthrough process called interpolation! ;-) Hm... I guess it's really a 3.1 MP sensor only. However, 1) by using a breakthrough process called interpolation, this camera will bring you exceptionally sharp digital images Isn't this true for every* camera? 2) Isn't interpolation used in every* camera, lying by a factor of about 4? When using a sensor with a four pattern matrix +---+---+ |1:R|2:G| +---+---+ |3:G|4:B| +---+---+ ... the green and blue color info of the red pixel 1 are just interpolated from their neighbours. So even RAW data is not RAW but interpolated? Or is there any camera that does output its data as it actually is detected? Are external programs around that can to this interpolation externally - and possibly better than a current internal algorithm? I suppose almost every camera has some kind of test mode where the real sensor data could be read out. However, this feature probably is a hidden business and service secret. *: every means: most of the current cameras. One of the exceptions is the Foveon sensor with pixels staggered on top of each other Other examples sound even worse. Here's a scanner example: http://www.microtekusa.com/smi800_specs.html # Optical Resolution: 4800 x 9600 dpi # Interpolated Resolution (maximum): - 65,535 dpi (PC) - 32,767 dpi (Mac) # Scan Area: - 8.5 x 14 reflective # Image Sensor: 41,300-element tri-linear CCD array Unfortunately there's no standard that pixels, dpi or GB must be given in effective numbers, such as * harddisks: free space (without file system overhead) * displays: real pixels (computer screens count an 'RGB pixel' only once) * scanners: effective resolution * cameras: optical resolution ... - Martin
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
Hi Shel, your E-Mail software is broken: X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.0.129.0 (Windows) From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Some Posting Suggestions Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:10:45 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's neither references nor In-Reply-To, such as In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] See e.g. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html section 3.6.4 I guess you know what 'SHOULD' in upper case means in RFCs. Is Earthlink aware of this RFC violation? Proper software permits much more efficient methods of threading and navigation through discussions, improving reading, understanding, quoting. Thanks, Martin
Re: CC warning: 10 megapixel camera
On 2005-09-14 07:44, Cory Papenfuss wrote: RAW *is* RAW sensor data. No interpolation or other processing done. The external programs are called RAW converters and every one of them does the interpolation. Some better than others. Thanks! Since I'm still analogue, I never checked RAW files up to now. So I know very little about RAW: - it's not a standard, but proprietary (Sigma is open, Nikon is protected) - it may include a jpeg preview - it may be compressed (while noise at higher ISO will reduce the compressiability) So where does the masking of defective pixels, pixel calibration, white balancing or 'anti-vignetting' occur? Is RAW absolutely uncorrected? Is there some kind of 'golden raw' which may be used by the processing software in order to compensate known errors? If it's not preprocessed into the raw output, is it included within every raw file? Thanks, Martin
Re: Water repelling lens coat?
On 2005-09-14 13:54, Frits Wüthrich wrote: A friend of my in the UK asked me this question: Was wondering if you could help me. I've recently bought a Pentax Optio WP. Great little camera, even more intuitive than my old Casio and excellent being able to use the camera canoeing, swimming etc. (Not actually taken pics from underwater yet.) One issue though. Once it has been in the water, or if it is raining, the droplets on the lens spoil a lot of the pics. Do you know of anything which would coat the lens, which would repel the water, or break the surface tension without distorting the pics? One idea could be some kind of anti lense fog chemical, used e.g. for glasses. There must be certain lense coating - see e.g. http://www.heliopan.de/startver.html (SH-PMC lense coating on heliopan filters; German text) - Martin
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-14 05:53, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've not a clue as to what you're talking about ...
ok... Let's discuss email headers:
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's you, I guess.
Subject: Re: Some Posting Suggestions
That's the thread you replied to.
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:10:45 -0700
That's when you did it.
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
You answered to this list.
This was obvious? Ok, let's increase the level:
X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.0.129.0 (Windows)
This is your software, isn't it? At least your program claims to be this.
I guess it's a web interface, email frontend?
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Your email program created this message id. The program has to ensure that
an ID will never be used twice. Thus this id is a unique identifier of an
email.
This message-id, as well as the other headers where extracted from your
reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
His headers included:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Some Posting Suggestions
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:55:14 +
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You get the idea?
Now, there's a standard how email software should behave. This standard is
very useful - otherwise you would not be able to send emails between
different platforms.
Some programs do support this standard very well - and some do just the
minimum in order not to produce major problems.
This standard suggests (or requests), that a 'reply' to another message
SHOULD contain the message-id of the original message.
It should reuse this message id in a certain way, as you do for
From/To/Date/Subject. The standard explains how this should be done. Use
'References' or 'In-Reply-To'.
('SHOULD' in an RFC means: you should have very good reasons and should
carefully think about your reasons if you won't do so.)
Maybe you've never seen your message-id before. No problem. Maybe you've
never seen References or In-Reply-To. That's ok as well: it's your software
that has to ensure that it's done proberly.
Thus your reply should have included Paul's Message-ID. A simple method is
just to take the Message-ID of the original message and repeat it.
Your reply to the message above takes:
To - from the 'Reply-To'
Subject - from the Subject, typically with one prefix 'Re:'
From- from your setup
Date- from the current date
Message-ID - from your program
In-Reply-To - from the original Message-ID
You see: all those email fields are filled automatically. You should not
have to edit anything here by hand. ok?
As soon as the original Message-ID is available, a good email software can
detect that your message is an answer to the former message. It can build
the thread as a message tree, where your answer is close to the former
message. Example:
flags date time namesize subject
r 09-13 21:45 Shel Belinkoff (3.1K) Some Posting Suggestions
09-13 21:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1.1K)
r 09-13 22:10 Shel Belinkoff (3.8K)
09-13 23:41 Graywolf(4.1K)
F 09-14 12:47 To Pentax Discu (2.6K)
09-14 01:13 Jack Davis (3.8K)
09-13 22:13 Godfrey DiGiorg (3.7K)
09-13 22:24 Shel Belinkoff (3.6K) *
09-13 22:45 Godfrey DiGiorg (1.9K)
09-13 22:56 Christian (2.3K)
So finally: this is the reason why you do not have to include the full
quote. The original article is referenced within your message itself!
You suggested proper handling of URLs. A Message-ID is some kind of URL: You
don't have to quote the full text, but take the URL only.
But unfortunately your email software is broken...
It violates the email standard - I gave the URL before:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html section 3.6.4
Feel free to ask again if this reply was insufficient.
I simplified a little bit - the expert will know the difference, while I'd
welcome corrections where I might have been completely wrong.
Now you could ask earthlink whether they know about their software bug
- or use a better email software which works better.
I'm no Windows expert - but I guess Mozilla works reasonably well both
for web (less security problems than Internet Explorer) and
for email (supports threading and behaves very well).
Maybe others will recommend better solutions.
Have fun,
Martin
Re: CC warning: 10 megapixel camera
On 2005-09-14 05:52, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: A RAW format image file is generally an enclosure file that contains the following: - Camera metadata: all the parameter for JPEG conversion that would have been used in-camera for JPEG format image files plus bits like time/date/manufacturer private data/etc. such as the camera's serial number I guess this could include - sensor faults (defective, calibration) - image info (lense model, aperture, time, focal length, distance) I guess it should be a simple task to build a poor lense with strong vignetting or strong distortions - and compensate most of these flaws by software later on? This would require some kind of reasonable characterisation how to compensate those flaws. I guess part of it is the reasons for proprietary raw formats. http://openraw.org/faq/?id=14 does not show that many infos about What is metadata and what is it good for? I don't know how much of this error correcting options are used now and will be used in the future. But I wonder how big this portion of raw info is, the more detailed it becomes. - typically a JPEG thumbnail and JPEG preview rendering at low resolution (maybe more) - sensor data either uncompressed or losslessly compressed, a simple 2D matrix Is there some kind of 'golden raw' which may be used by the processing software in order to compensate known errors? If it's not preprocessed into the raw output, is it included within every raw file? Some of the parameters are constants fixed by the manufacturer for a particular camera and built into the RAW converter at compile/link time (that's why RAW conversion software usually needs to be revised to accommodate new camera models), the rest are supplied in the camera metadata. There are two RAW standards efforts going on to normalize and regularize the representation of RAW camera data: Adobe's Digital Negative specification and the OpenRAW effort. Both of these propose a standardized enclosure format and a way of representing metadata/ processing parameters such that a generic RAW conversion algorithm can be devised independent of camera specific software development. They are both still young efforts. I wonder whether they are sufficient for all the manufacturer's needs. The current abuse of EXIF maker notes is a sign that either the standard is not suited very well, or manufacturers don't mind the standards. - Martin
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-14 06:53, Shel Belinkoff wrote: The software works fine for me - I get the email, I can read it, it can thread nicely on my system, Earthlink has good built in spam and virus protection. You offered suggestions - I offered my opinion. Most of the techno stuff you're talking about is over my head. Have no idea, for example, what a web interface email front end is. So let's keep it simple: I'm sure you mean well to point all this out, but I've no idea what it has to do with the subject and the thread. My ignorance, probably. Using proper software would improve readability, usability etc. Your topic was: use Top Posting. My Answer is:use reasonable quoting styles. Don't use fullquotes. Do you have any reason against removing fullquotes? Thanks, Martin
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-14 15:02, Cotty wrote: On 14/9/05, Martin Trautmann, discombobulated, unleashed: ok... Let's discuss email headers: Who is this guy?? to discombobulate to unleash ... had to look them up in my dictionary. Thanks for improving my English ;-) Who's me? A lurker who lurks since he's overwhelmed by the mass of postings, where the helpful info is hidden very well in lots of garbage (such as fullquotes).
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-14 10:13, Kenneth Waller wrote: T M I ! SED? Yepp - that's my problem. Sometimes the list looks like an IRC. TM GIGO for a MUG
Re: Travel (and shopping?) to Vienna
On 2005-09-14 11:33, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote: So: do you know any reliable stores in those cities? (I think Vienna is the best bet). Warranty is an important issue, I don't think I'll be able to travel often to Austria - and, even if we (Romanians) have a Pentax authorized service, they won't accept the international warranty. One question is the availability of the DS - or its successor, the DS2. Only few shops in Austria stock Pentax :-( you could check www.geizhals.at (IMHO the best price comparison for Austria and Germany). e.g. http://www.geizhals.at/?a=118975t=abholungv=l http://www.geizhals.at/?a=118977t=abholungv=l (on stock in shop): none The tax in Austria is higher than in Germany - one of the reasons why German prices are lower. See http://www.geizhals.at/?fs=Pentax+ist+dsx=0y=0in= for price comparisions (e.g. from 644 EUR on for body, best price in Austria: 723.10 EUR). European warranty is two years, European return policy from internet orders is two weeks. Be aware of some dealers with overpriced delivery costs - or maybe grey market. Good luck, Martin
Re: Some Posting Suggestions
On 2005-09-14 11:27, P. J. Alling wrote: People who endlessly hector others with details they don't want or need to know are annoying. Shel is happy with his e-mail client, it does what he needs. You can top or bottom post, it's up to you. Sorry. It's not me who started this thread. I understand that any helpful attempt is not what you want. Never change a running system. We should change over to cat's pictures - a topic I know far less above. ;-) Martin
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-12 18:09, Adam Maas wrote: The DS has been discontinued in favour of the DS2. Pricing should be identical. There's very little difference between the DS and DS2, only the larger LCD and Auto ISO. Is there any insight knowledge whether the poor jpeg rendering was improved, too? I guess we'll have to wait for the first samples... - Martin
Re: Uh what happened to the *ist DS
On 2005-09-12 17:38, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Be sure that you're getting a US version of the camera, not grey market. Where could this grey market be? Rumors claim that the DS2 won't be available in Europe - so better grey market than nothing :-( http://shop.pentax.jp/defaultMall/sitemap/CSfLastGenGoodsPage_001.jsp?GOODS_NO=845IMG_ROOT=/defaultMall lists the *ist DS2 at 89,800? - Martin
new German pricelist
Hi all, there's a new German pricelist of Pentax products around. The announced link is incorrect - here's the correct one: www.pentax.de/downloads/photo/de/news/Produktuebersicht_01_09_05.pdf Find an extract of the current lenses below. A tab delimted version is available here. Almost all full frame primes are gone by now. The 43/1.9 won't be available any longer. The German price in EUR (including 16 % tax) can be compared 1:1 to US$ (without tax). Art.Nr. Description Preis [EUR] barcode 21577 smc-DA 12-24/4,0 ED (AL) Preis folgt 114173 21507 smc-DA 1645/4,0 ED (AL) 549,00 079762 21547 smc-DA 1855/4,05,6 199,00 108646 21567 smc-DA 50200/4,05,6 ED 299,00 113695 21510 smc-DA 14/2,8 ED (IF)799,00 086098 21510 smc-DA 40/2,8 Limited Edition399,00 111004 27727 smc-FAJ 1835/45,6 AL499,00 075313 27960 smc-FA 2035/4,0 AL 699,00 045569 27707 smc-FAJ 2880/3,55,6 AL 99,00 071971 27997 smc-FA 28105/3,24,5 AL (IF), silber329,00 050655 28007 smc-FA 28105/3,24,5 AL (IF), schwarz 329,00 052239 27189 smc-FA 3580/4,05,6 129,00 047259 27717 smc-FAJ 75300/4,85,8 AL 149,00 071988 27577 smc-A80200/4,75,6 129,00 036451 20280 smc-FA 31/1,8 AL Limited Edition, silber 1.099,00051133 20290 smc-FA 31/1,8 AL Limited Edition, schwarz1.099,00051157 20170 smc-FA 43/1,9 Limited Edition, silber619,00 042568 20180 smc-FA 43/1,9 Limited Edition, schwarz 619,00 050617 27970 smc-FA 77/1,8 Limited Edition2), silber 919,00 048263 21530 smc-DFA 50/2,8 Makro 1:1 549,00 108639 21520 smc-DFA 100/2,8 Makro 1:1 599,00 108622 30942 1,4x S 279,00 033382 30944 2x S489,00 033405 30943 1,4x L 449,00 033399 30945 2x L669,00 033412 30924 1,7x AF-Adapter 199,00 023321 26910 smc-FA 645 35/3,51.399,00050679 26335 smc-FA 645 45/2,8949,00 042520 26121 smc-FA 645 75/2,8499,00 042513 26735 smc-FA 645 120/4,0 Makro 1.299,00046085 26345 smc-FA 645 150/2,81.249,00048577 26745 smc-FA 645 200/4,0999,00 046382 26505 smc-FA* 645 300/4,0 ED (IF) 4.399,00042537 26565 smc-FA 645 300/5,6 ED (IF) 1.699,00051119 26555 smc-FA 645 400/5,6 ED (IF) 2.799,00042544 26775 smc-FA 645 3355/4,5 1.999,00063228 26725 smc-FA 645 4585/4,5 1.999,00042551 26765 smc-FA 645 55110/5,61.499,00054554 26755 smc-FA 645 80160/4,51.899,00046405 26785 smc-FA 645 150300/5,6 ED (IF) 1.899,00074095 38405 Konverter 1,4x 619,00 028890 38406 Konverter 2x769,00 028906 29830 smc-67 55100/4,5 1.999,00044197 29854 smc-67 90180/5,6 1.859,00053700 29120 smc-67 35/4,5 Fish Eye 1.699,00027961 29250 smc-67 45/4,0 1.049,00027954 29210 smc-67 55/4,0 1.199,00027930 29284 smc-67 75/2,8 AL 1.199,00054264 29220 smc-67 75/4,5 Shift 2.699,00027978 29248 smc-67 90/2,8 789,00 003170 29840 smc-67 100/4,0 Makro 1.499,00044227 29029 smc-67 105/2,4 629,00 027527 29294 smc-67 120/3,5 Soft 959,00 025394 29824 smc-67 135/4,0 Makro 849,00 027589 29300 smc-67 165/2,8 899,00 027947 29301 smc-67 165/4,0 LS 1.199,00027909 29340 smc-67 200/4,0 999,00 027916 29330 smc-67 300/4,0 1.699,00027923 29464 smc-M* 67 300/4,0 ED IF 2.799,00048331 29415 smc-M* 67 400/4,0 ED IF 7.999,00022836 29404 smc-67 500/5,6 3.399,00003323 29424 smc-Takumar 67 600/4,0 5.999,00003361 29436 smc-M* 67 800/6,7 ED IF 14.999,00 003408 37932 Konverter 1,4x 819,00 028074 37934 Konverter 2x969,00 028081
Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses
Hi all, as a side note to digital cameras: Does Pentax build the Optio 50 on their own? I was surprised that the camera very much looks like models from premier, escpecially from the back. See e.g. http://www.premierimage.pl Looks to me as if Premier builds the Konica Minolta Dimage E40 and E50, too. I don't know about the recent cooperations of Pentax. I remember the cooperation of HP (C618, C912) and Pentax. While the 3rd party analog lenses are gone by now (such as the Cosina 100/f4 macro), there may be more and more OEM and relabel prodcuts for the digital market. Are there any 3rd party DSLR lenses behind the Pentax label? Here's a short overview of some 'Premier' models: That's the model with 5 MP (5.2 MP CCD) and 2.5 display. * Premier DS-5330 * BenQ DC E53 * Konica Minolta E50 * Maginon Slimline X5 * Minox DC 5222 * Rollei Prego dp5200 * Traveler Slimline X5 * Voigtlaender Virtus D5 The smaller version (4 MP, 2 display) matches to * Premier DS-4330 or better * Premier DS-4331 * BenQ DC E43 * Centon DC4s * Konica Minolta E40 * Minox DC 4211 * Rollei Prego dp4200 * Voigtlaender Virtus D4 Pentax Optio 50 is 5 MP, but 1.8 display only. There's no other low cost manufacturer with 2.5 display, other than Sony (but 132 000 pixels only, instead of 201 000 pixels).
Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses
On 2005-05-04 12:42, Martin Trautmann wrote: Does Pentax build the Optio 50 on their own? I've found the answer on http://www.premierimage.com.tw/premiere/products/newproducts-contents-DC5345.htm The Pentax Optio 50 is the same stuff as the Premier DC-5345
Re: Who builds the Optio 50? OEM DSLR lenses
On 2005-05-04 09:29, Mark Roberts wrote: Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pentax Optio 50 is the same stuff as the Premier DC-5345 And they're both manufactured by Sanyo. Hi Mark, is this common knowledge? Does Sharp build for Premier or is it Premier who builds for Sharp? Premier claims to be one of the major manufacturers with a market share of 15 %. The Optio 50 sensor probably is not from Sanyo, but from Sharp. I don't know about the lenses - maybe actually the Premier lenses are from Pentax? The LCD could be Sanyo? Maybe that Sanyo does not sell the items they build with a Sanyo label: All they name is VPC-R1 (1.3 MP) VPC-MZ3 (2.0 MP) VPC-J1 Xacti (3.2 MP) VPC-AZ3 (4.0 MP) I guess you might know better than I do - but for the moment I'd expect Premier as the real builder!?
MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
Hi all, is it possible to take out the matte screen from a MZ-5n (ZX-5n)? I see a small gap at the outher edge which might be there for any (special?) replacement tool. There's a small grain of dust just in the center of the screen which is really annoying - on the inner side. Are there any service manuals around how to clean this body? I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. Thanks, Martin
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 12:12, Martin Trautmann wrote: Are there any service manuals around how to clean this body? Hopefully it's as easy as described in http://webhome.idirect.com/~trini/mztips.html I did not see any replacement matte screens for the MZ-5 - thus I wonder whether this part is exchangeable easily. ... but I did not find any for MZ-3, either. Maybe it's a good time to replace it by a split finder. Does it really affect spot metering? Thanks, Martin
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 04:44, Alan Chan wrote: There is a metal clip, just lift it up a little and the frame will pop down. You need to use a rigid tool with an angled tip for the job. Just be extra careful with the screen however. Never ever try to wipe it with anything, use a rubber hand blower to blow off the dust very gently only. http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600649 http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/42600650 Thanks for the confirmation and the images! Martin ... but I did not find any for MZ-3, either. Maybe it's a good time to replace it by a split finder. Does it really affect spot metering? The MZ/ZX-M split screen will fit, but the spot meter won't be reliable. It can be purchased from Pentax's parts department. The grid would be handy many times. Is the GG-60 Cross-Hair Matte from the MZ-S suited as well? http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/products/filmcamera/accessory/image/fa-fuc-gg60.gif http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/237428.jpg ($35 .. $50) Thanks Martin
Re: MZ-5n / ZX-5n: replace matte screen
On 2005-04-26 05:27, Alan Chan wrote: --- Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The grid would be handy many times. Is the GG-60 Cross-Hair Matte from the MZ-S suited as well? You may use any grid screens for Pentax AF 135 bodies, that included FG-40 (SFX/SFXn), FG-50 (Z-1), FG-60(Z-1p) GG-60 (MZ-S). They have the same dimension. However, I have no idea how much exposure compensation will be required if you shoot slides. For negatives, the difference is too little to bother. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/focusing/screens/index.html I wonder whether Bojidar will update his pages any more. Thus here's some further input which is missing there, including part numbers. Please correct as appropriate... According to your comment, all F*-*0 and G*-60 share the same physical dimensions. They are exchangable in all bodies? SFX/SF1, SFXn/SF1n: FG-40 30872 FI-40 30880 (SF-7/SF-10?) Z-1/PZ-1, -1n, -5: FG-50 30819 FI-50 30820 FS-50 30818 FF-60 30785 FG-60 30789 FI-60 30790 FK-60 30791 FM-60 30788 FP-60 30786 FS-60 30787 (-1p, -10, -20, -50p, -70?) MZ-S: GF-60 30771 GG-60 30772 (-3, -5, -5n, -6, -7, -10, -30, -50, -60, -M?) *ist D/Ds: LF-60 38571 LL-60 38572 LI-60 38573 *ist?
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
On 2005-03-17 14:34, Peter J. Alling wrote: I don't know why you'd say that. The D-FA lenses are full frame 35mm and if you actually visit the Pentax JP site you'd see that there is still a full line of Pentax Primes listed. Maybe Pentax in Europe isn't importing them but they are still available according to the Pentax Japan web site Did you actually check through this list? How many do you feel are still around? I guess it's rather unclear about the long teles, such as smc PENTAX 500mm F4.5 - 12 smc PENTAX M Reflex 2000mm F13.5 smc PENTAX-A1200mm F8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX-A300mm F2.8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX-A600mm F5.6 ED [IF] - But how about e.g. smc PENTAX-A 15mm F3.5 - smc PENTAX-A 20mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 - smc PENTAX-FA 35mm F2 AL smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.4 smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.7 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 50mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F3.5 smc PENTAX-FA 135mm F2.8 [IF] I doubt that this page is really up to date. It's from September 2004, and even in that time many of those products were no longer available, I suppose. The better Macros where replaced by DFAs, the cheap Cosina Macro is no longer listed. I was told by now that there was little market for the 50 mm standard lenses recently - I wonder why. It could be an excellent portrait lense for digital bodies!? Cheap and bright (although the 50/1.7 was never as cheap as the Nikon/Canon/Minolta plastic models).
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
On 2005-03-17 12:45, MartinTrautmann wrote: 2005: in: 2 / out: 24? / total: 14? DA14 / 2.82005 ~ @ Actually, the DA 14 / 2.8 was announced around 2004-05, should be available 2004-06. another new 2005: DA12-24 / 4 2005 ~ n.y. So it's 2005: in: 2 / out: 24? / total: 15? 2004: in: 5 / out: 15 / total: ? ... which may be a new record not only for out, but for in too.
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
On 2005-03-17 09:47, Scott Loveless wrote: I've looked at pentax.de. I've also looked at the rest of the European official Pentax sites. The offerings vary from region to region. I have noticed that the European online catalogs just don't have quite as much listed as the US or Canadian catalogs. If you really want to see what's really available, check out the Japanese site. It's available in English and, well, Japanese. http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/index.php Then call BH. Thanks - I've checked both http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens and http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/products/filmcamera/lens/index35_ichiran.html by now. On one hand, the result is ok: The FA macros where replaced by DFA macros. However, this list still names e.g. the FA 50/1.4 on end of February. I feel that skipping both the FA 50/1.4 and 50/1.7 leaves a surprising gap. Maybe this will be closed soon this year again... The digital list obviously does not include the A lenses. The digital list includes e.g. FA 28-70/2.8, FA 35/2 and FA 80-200/2.8 which were excluded for 2004 on the KMP site - and still shows e.g. FA 135/2.8 which was exluded on KMP for 2002. The analog section from last september lists lenses such as the K 500/4.5 from 1977 which Boris delisted for 1998. However, it's interesting to see that the last, new analog lense was FA 28-80 / 3.5-5.6 II (2002) which is not listed any more. Thus the 'newest' FAs are e.g. FA 31/1.8 or FA 28-105/3.2-4.5, both from 2001. vv checked: + 2005-02-23 http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/ * 2004-09-16 http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/products/filmcamera/lens/index35_ichiran.html 2005: in: 2 / out: 24? / total: 14? + DA 14 / 2.8 2004 ~ @ DA 12-24 / 4 2005 ~ n.y. + DA 16-45 / 4 2003 ~ @ +* FAJ 18-35 / 4-5.6 2003 ~ @ + DA 18-55 / 3.5-5.6 2004 ~ @ +* FA 20-35 / 4 1998 ~ @ +* FAJ 28-80 / 3.5-5.6 2003 ~ @ +* FA 28-105 / 3.2-4.5 2001 ~ @ +* FA 31 / 1.8 2001 ~ @ + DA 40 / 2.8 2004 ~ @ +* FA 43 / 1.9 1997 ~ @ DA 50-200 / 4-5.62005 ~ @ + DFA 50 / 2.8-Macro2004 ~ @ +* FA 77 / 1.8 1999 ~ @ + DFA 100 / 2.8-Macro 2004 ~ @ others not on www.pentax.de: +* FA 20 / 2.8 1995 ~ ? +* FA 24 / 21991 ~ ? +* FA 24-90 / 3.5-4.5 2001 ~ ? +* FA 28 / 2.8 1991 ~ ? +* FA 28-90 / 3.5-5.6 2001 ~ ? +* FA 50 / 1.4 1991 ~ ? +* FAJ 75-300 / 4.5-5.8 2003 ~ ? +* FA 85 / 1.4 1992 ~ ? +* FA 200 / 2.8 1993 ~ ? +* FA 200 / 4-Macro 2000 ~ ? +* FA 300 / 2.8 1994 ~ ? +* FA 300 / 4.5 1991 ~ ? +* FA 400 / 5.6 1997 ~ ? +* FA 600 / 4 1991 ~ ? * A35-80 / 4-5.6 1995 ~ ? * A80-200 / 4.7-5.6 1995 ~ ? * A400 / 2.8 1986 ~ ? * FA 28 / 2.8-Soft 1997 ~ ? * FA 28-80 / 3.5-5.6ii 2002 ~ ? * FA 35-80 / 4-5.6 1999 ~ ? * FA 50 / 2.8-Macro1990 ~ ? * FA 80-200 / 4.7-5.6 1999 ~ ? * FA 100 / 2.8-Macro 1991 ~ ? * FA 100-300 / 4.7-5.8 2000 ~ ? 2004: in: 4 / out: 15 / total: ? * A15 / 3.5 1984 ~ 2004 * A16 / 2.8-Fish 1985 ~ 2004 * A16 / 2.8-Fish 1985 ~ 2004 * F17-28 / 3.5-4.5 F 1995 ~ 2004 FA 28-200 / 3.8-5.6 1996 ~ 2004 +* FA 28-70 / 2.8 1994 ~ 2004 * K28 / 3.5-Shift1977 ~ 2004 +* FA 35 / 21999 ~ 2004 * A50 / 1.2 1984 ~ 2004 * FA 50 / 1.7 1991 ~ 2004 +* FA 80-200 / 2.8 1994 ~ 2004 * FA 85 / 2.8-Soft 1996 ~ 2004 * FA 100 / 3.5-Macro 1998 ~ 2004 * FA 250-600 / 5.6 1991 ~ 2004 * A400 / 5.6 1984 ~ 2004 * K1000 / 11 1977 ~ 2004 2003: in: 4 / out: 0 / total: ? 2002: in: 1 / out: 2 / total: ? +* FA 28-105 / 4-5.6-ii 1999 ~ 2002 +* FA 80-320 / 4.5-5.6 1997 ~ 2002 2001: in: 4 / out: 2 / total: ? * A20 / 2.8 1985 ~ 2001 FA 28-80 / 3.5-5.6-i 1998 ~ 2001 2000: in: 2 / out: 6 / total: ? * FA 28-70 / 4 1996 ~ 2000 FA 70-200 / 4-5.61991 ~ 2000 +* FA 135 / 2.8 1991 ~ 2000 A200 / 4-Macro 1984 ~ 2000 * A600 / 5.6 1984 ~ 2000 * A1200 / 8 1986 ~ 2000 before: * A 300 / 2.8 1984 ~ 1998 * K 400-600 / 8-12 1984 ~ 1999 * K 500 / 4.51977 ~ 1998 * M2000 / 13.5 1982 ~ ?
