Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Op Wed, 21 May 2008 23:35:45 +0200 schreef Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks, I proposed sunset (I'm a sucker for late-afternoon light), but in class early morning light was suggested to her. Could have saved me some sleep as well. I see a re-shoot coming, I'll post results. Thanks for all feedback. Regards, Lucas OK, so she's the art director, which makes a lot of difference - you have to do as she says. But given her target market I still don't think an indoor chair outdoors is really going to appeal very much to them. Anway, I'd say you need more sun, more light and warmth. Most of the pictures feel rather cool to me, even those shot in direct sunlight. I am almost the baby-boomer age, and I have friends relatives in that age group, and I find it hard to imagine these pictures selling anything to them. Picture number 2, for example, has the chair in bright sun, but the building is in shadow and the cool of that predominates. The composition needs to be much tighter, with better use of the building, and to be more effective the whole thing needs to be in the sun, probably the late evening sun with naturally saturated colours. Picture 3 is kind of getting there, but still the cool of the background shadows kills it. Have a look at other publications that are aiming at the same audience and see what techniques they use. In particular it's worth remembering Terence Donovan's (or possibly David Bailey's) well-worn phrase No client ever complained about a picture being too effing warm. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 21 May 2008 21:43 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO: Orange Peel Op Tue, 20 May 2008 23:33:51 +0200 schreef Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's difficult to say whether these are successful or not without knowing more about the brief. In most of them the chair seems lost She has to try to sell Artifort to a new audience. She is aiming at second homes abroad of recently retired couples with a lot of money. What we call the baby-boomers, the generation born just after the second world war. Abroad for Dutch couples would be France, the mediterranean of eastern Europe, mainly Hungary. against the background. 4 and 8 are better than the rest, but I don't really see the point of setting the chair in that context. If she's studying interior design why has she put an indoor chair outdoors? Also, the pictures don't show much evidence of having been 'styled'. Typically when I think of a stylist being involved in a shoot she is normally there to make the food or clothes look right within the scene that the art director has directed and the photographer has shot. For interior design I imagine the stylist is making sure that the details of the set are correct - for instance, that the curtains are hanging properly, the chairs are at the correct angle, the mirrors are clean, and so on. However, this is not my world, so maybe I'm completely wrong. I think her role is more what you describe as Art Director. Though it is not my world either. Thankf for commenting, I appreciate it. Regards, Lucas Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 20 May 2008 21:39 To: PDML Subject: GESO: Orange Peel Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Op Wed, 21 May 2008 01:05:39 +0200 schreef Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Doug Franklin wrote: Lucas Rijnders wrote: Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's [...] Uh, excuse my ignorance, but I've never seen the word style used as a verb. What does one do when one styles a photo? Well, I misspoke. I've heard of styling other stuff, like hair for instance, but I've never heard of styling a photo, or any other sort of image, for that matter. Or I misspoke. It's called photo styling in the Netherlands, but I am not sure these English words are used that way in actual English... She had a briefing, thought out a way to present that briefing in pictures, sketched those, and then sought a photographer to actually take that picture. She does the conceptual and artistic phase, and finds someone else with knowledge about cameras, lenses, and lighting. Of course, from a certain point on there is intewraction between the photographer and the stylist. You might compare it with the director and the photographer in a movie. Of coure, the above is my ggrasp of the idea. I mioght be wrong; like I said, it's rather new to me... -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Op Tue, 20 May 2008 23:34:19 +0200 schreef frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas Some ~very~ cool shots in there. However, the last few seem to have no chair! ;-) We lost it halfway through :( But really: those are the 'support shots': they are meant to convey atmosphere without actually showing the product. In a magazine, they would/could be added as small inserts in a larger product shot. Thanks for looking, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Op Tue, 20 May 2008 23:33:51 +0200 schreef Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's difficult to say whether these are successful or not without knowing more about the brief. In most of them the chair seems lost She has to try to sell Artifort to a new audience. She is aiming at second homes abroad of recently retired couples with a lot of money. What we call the baby-boomers, the generation born just after the second world war. Abroad for Dutch couples would be France, the mediterranean of eastern Europe, mainly Hungary. against the background. 4 and 8 are better than the rest, but I don't really see the point of setting the chair in that context. If she's studying interior design why has she put an indoor chair outdoors? Also, the pictures don't show much evidence of having been 'styled'. Typically when I think of a stylist being involved in a shoot she is normally there to make the food or clothes look right within the scene that the art director has directed and the photographer has shot. For interior design I imagine the stylist is making sure that the details of the set are correct - for instance, that the curtains are hanging properly, the chairs are at the correct angle, the mirrors are clean, and so on. However, this is not my world, so maybe I'm completely wrong. I think her role is more what you describe as Art Director. Though it is not my world either. Thankf for commenting, I appreciate it. Regards, Lucas Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 20 May 2008 21:39 To: PDML Subject: GESO: Orange Peel Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Orange Peel
OK, so she's the art director, which makes a lot of difference - you have to do as she says. But given her target market I still don't think an indoor chair outdoors is really going to appeal very much to them. Anway, I'd say you need more sun, more light and warmth. Most of the pictures feel rather cool to me, even those shot in direct sunlight. I am almost the baby-boomer age, and I have friends relatives in that age group, and I find it hard to imagine these pictures selling anything to them. Picture number 2, for example, has the chair in bright sun, but the building is in shadow and the cool of that predominates. The composition needs to be much tighter, with better use of the building, and to be more effective the whole thing needs to be in the sun, probably the late evening sun with naturally saturated colours. Picture 3 is kind of getting there, but still the cool of the background shadows kills it. Have a look at other publications that are aiming at the same audience and see what techniques they use. In particular it's worth remembering Terence Donovan's (or possibly David Bailey's) well-worn phrase No client ever complained about a picture being too effing warm. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 21 May 2008 21:43 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO: Orange Peel Op Tue, 20 May 2008 23:33:51 +0200 schreef Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's difficult to say whether these are successful or not without knowing more about the brief. In most of them the chair seems lost She has to try to sell Artifort to a new audience. She is aiming at second homes abroad of recently retired couples with a lot of money. What we call the baby-boomers, the generation born just after the second world war. Abroad for Dutch couples would be France, the mediterranean of eastern Europe, mainly Hungary. against the background. 4 and 8 are better than the rest, but I don't really see the point of setting the chair in that context. If she's studying interior design why has she put an indoor chair outdoors? Also, the pictures don't show much evidence of having been 'styled'. Typically when I think of a stylist being involved in a shoot she is normally there to make the food or clothes look right within the scene that the art director has directed and the photographer has shot. For interior design I imagine the stylist is making sure that the details of the set are correct - for instance, that the curtains are hanging properly, the chairs are at the correct angle, the mirrors are clean, and so on. However, this is not my world, so maybe I'm completely wrong. I think her role is more what you describe as Art Director. Though it is not my world either. Thankf for commenting, I appreciate it. Regards, Lucas Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 20 May 2008 21:39 To: PDML Subject: GESO: Orange Peel Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Lucas Rijnders wrote: You might compare it with the director and the photographer in a movie. Of coure, the above is my ggrasp of the idea. I mioght be wrong; like I said, it's rather new to me... Ahhh. OK, I understand. I don't know what you would call that job in English, either. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Orange Peel
Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Orange Peel
it's difficult to say whether these are successful or not without knowing more about the brief. In most of them the chair seems lost against the background. 4 and 8 are better than the rest, but I don't really see the point of setting the chair in that context. If she's studying interior design why has she put an indoor chair outdoors? Also, the pictures don't show much evidence of having been 'styled'. Typically when I think of a stylist being involved in a shoot she is normally there to make the food or clothes look right within the scene that the art director has directed and the photographer has shot. For interior design I imagine the stylist is making sure that the details of the set are correct - for instance, that the curtains are hanging properly, the chairs are at the correct angle, the mirrors are clean, and so on. However, this is not my world, so maybe I'm completely wrong. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: 20 May 2008 21:39 To: PDML Subject: GESO: Orange Peel Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am currently working on a fun project: a friend of mine is studying for interior designer. Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's (four product shots, two supporting shots) and have them taken by an unpaid photographer. For some reason, 'unpaid photographer' made her think of me. At http:\\www.jenny.dds.nl/lucas/orange/peel/index.html are our first results. (Six of) These shots should be useable for use in a trade show booth and in magazines. As this is rather new for both of us, all feedback is very welcome. If the weather permits, we will do a second shooting session next week. Oh: technical details: All shots taken with a K10D and an F50/1,7. One of the shots is a HDRI composite, made of three base images. Thanks in advance, -- Ciao, Lucas Some ~very~ cool shots in there. However, the last few seem to have no chair! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Lucas Rijnders wrote: Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's [...] Uh, excuse my ignorance, but I've never seen the word style used as a verb. What does one do when one styles a photo? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Orange Peel
Doug Franklin wrote: Lucas Rijnders wrote: Her current assignment is 'Photo styling' where, among other things, she has to style six photo's [...] Uh, excuse my ignorance, but I've never seen the word style used as a verb. What does one do when one styles a photo? Well, I misspoke. I've heard of styling other stuff, like hair for instance, but I've never heard of styling a photo, or any other sort of image, for that matter. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
