Re: Konica-Minolta
so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? best, mishka On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta isn't it why we haven't heard from Herb for a while? I believe Herb has decided to switch brands, and I suspect mail lists as well. William Robb
Re: Konica-Minolta
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Mishka wrote: so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Ssshhh! whisper Don't tell Herb! /whisper Kostas (who actually misses Herb's financial analyses)
Re: Konica-Minolta
- Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb
Re: Konica-Minolta
Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
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Wonder why we haven't seen his Pentax gear for sale? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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Where? fra: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman
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Don't you remember? He thinks it will rise in value when Pentax goes out of business. That's one reason he keeps bashing Pentax. John On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:07:32 -, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder why we haven't seen his Pentax gear for sale? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:08:57 -, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Mishka wrote: so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Ssshhh! whisper Don't tell Herb! /whisper Kostas (who actually misses Herb's financial analyses) If you had ever worked for a public company, you would know that analysts know less than nothing about the companies they write about and advise on. If you can, do. If you can't, analyse. If these people knew anything at all, they wouldn't sell their advice to you and me. They'd be acting on it on their own account, like Warren Buffet, and a few others who prefer to remain less visible. Analysts? Parasites, the lot of them. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Probably went straight to e-bay... Kenneth Waller wrote: Wonder why we haven't seen his Pentax gear for sale? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. On 1/20/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mishka so it is nikon then that's about to go belly-up some time real soon? Nah, he's singlehandedly keeping them afloat with lens purchases. William Robb -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- You have to hold the button down -Arnold Newman PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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On 20 Jan 2006 at 0:00, Kenneth Waller wrote: Wonder why we haven't seen his Pentax gear for sale? He is still using his Pentax kit, plus he's probably spent more money with Pentax than most people here. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta Surprisingly (or not), he's still bashing Pentax. Go figure. Better there than here, I suppose. He had a huge investment in Pentax glass and felt they should be offering a camera that was competitive with something other than the bottom feeding cameras that the other manufacturers are producing. Personally, I agree with him, but this has been a problem with Pentax for more than 20 years. I've mellowed out on the subject. William Robb
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On 20 Jan 2006 at 19:14, John Forbes wrote: If you had ever worked for a public company, you would know that analysts know less than nothing about the companies they write about and advise on. If you can, do. If you can't, analyse. If these people knew anything at all, they wouldn't sell their advice to you and me. They'd be acting on it on their own account, like Warren Buffet, and a few others who prefer to remain less visible. Analysts? Parasites, the lot of them. I appreciate that we are all entitled to our opinions but I know for a fact that Herb sources analysts reports from some of the top Japanese securities companies. These businesses provide are very industry aware and house hoards of analysts with a very narrow range of industry focus and good historical knowledge they sound very unlike the analysts that you describe. Parasites they maybe but virtually every business but primary production is to one extent or another, as you know some parasites are useful too. :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On 19 Jan 2006 at 9:46, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... A hint of what's to come for Pentax possibly. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:46:40 +0100 schreef Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html Yes, sad :( It's a bit unclear what really is going to happen: it seems KM will keep on producing SLR's and lenses for Sony? If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Pentax _stated_ they would keep marketing camera's under their own brand. The announcement of the Samsung GX-1S (before any takeover announcements) is consistent with this. Besides: the deal with Samsung excludes camera's over $1500,-, like the D645 (and of course the D-LX :p). I think Pentax will stay around for a while... __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. This is probably not what I think it is :o) Would be handy to carry a tripod through the Andes, though... -- Regards, Lucas
OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Another great example of how capitalism produces more choice and diversity. :-/ Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
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In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Cheers, Cotty And the same thing couldn't happen with Pentax and Samsung? Not trying to be a doom sayer, and negative, but just wondering if things might go a little different from has been speculated about on this list. Recently. I don't want it to go the same way... but... maybe better to be semi-prepared if it does... Marnie aka Doe Lenses would still be good.
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Another great example of how capitalism produces more choice and diversity. :-/ The way I read it one goes out, one goes in. Shame about the brand name. Concern about the employees. Kostas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu AM 09:55:37 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Cheers, Cotty And the same thing couldn't happen with Pentax and Samsung? Not trying to be a doom sayer, and negative, but just wondering if things might go a little different from has been speculated about on this list. Recently. I don't want it to go the same way... but... maybe better to be semi-prepared if it does... Marnie aka Doe Lenses would still be good. KM was a merger of two photography related organisations. (Incidentally, Konica is, I believe, the oldest photographic company in the world) PS is an alliance of a photo manufacturer and a selling organisation. The dynamics are considerably different. I am wondering what KM is going to do, as it could not make a living in one of the consumer growth markets. Tantos all round for senior management, I think. m p.s. Glad to see you are still here, Marnie. Your advice on Nightshade plants has worked miracles for me. I am deeply indebted. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume You can see the actual press releases here: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_02_01.html http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_01_01.html Bob
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not trying to be a doom sayer, and negative, but just wondering if things might go a little different from has been speculated about on this list. Recently. Ha! I'm glad you added 'recently' 'cos the only way things could go differently than is normally speculated on this list would be for Pentax to be succesful :-) Chris
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Yes, is definitely true. When I wrote the first message it was a thread in a forum and a link to an (easily 'fakeable') webpage, so I preferred to be prudent. Now it is in the news of all digital photo websites. Thanks, Jaume --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Jan 19, 2006, at 3:46 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume You can see the actual press releases here: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_02_01.html http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_01_01.html Bob __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Jostein the paranoid. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:52:43 +0100 schreef Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Lens mounts is one thing, RAW files another :/ -- Regards, Lucas
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fra: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:52:43 +0100 schreef Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Lens mounts is one thing, RAW files another :/ They'll be the first to charge for each exposure you make, or at least download from the camera. It's not that bad, the film manufactorers charged you both for each exposure and for each print you got. Why shouldn't digital cameras work the same way .-) DagT
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On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Jostein wrote: Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Jostein the paranoid. Sure, just try putting a Tamron lens on that sucker and it alerts the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other agencies too secret to have initials. You are immediately arrested for being a photographer, since everyone knows that photographers are terrorists. Bob
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I am wondering if it will be sony dslr with k/m mount and zeiss lenses (like samsung with pk and scneider)? dying to see a panasonic with om/rodenstock :) best, mishka
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Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:52 +0100 schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]: fra: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:52:43 +0100 schreef Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Lens mounts is one thing, RAW files another :/ They'll be the first to charge for each exposure you make, or at least download from the camera. It's not that bad, the film manufactorers charged you both for each exposure and for each print you got. Why shouldn't digital cameras work the same way .-) Makes a lot of sense: the real money is in consumables, not in equipment evil grin. -- Regards, Lucas
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. -Adam Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
Take for granted a Panasonic with FourThirds-mount Leica lenses. Dario - Original Message - From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out I am wondering if it will be sony dslr with k/m mount and zeiss lenses (like samsung with pk and scneider)? dying to see a panasonic with om/rodenstock :) best, mishka
Re: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:04:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? -Adam Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Not surprising, IMHO. They were too late to the DSLR market (way behind Pentax, even!) And I think they hurt themselves by diluting the Minolta name when they merged with Konica. There's no reason why they couldn't have marketed cameras and photographic equipment under the name Minolta even after the merger, if they'd wanted to. I also suspect they didn't weather the total lens mount revision of the 80's as well as Canon did - not having Canon's clout and user base, after all. (And who came up with that stupid proprietary flash shoe thing, anyway?) A lot of little things adding up. Now their product line will continue under the Sony brand, apparently, but they'll be competing with the Samsung-branded-Pentax products, for the most part. The Serious Photography pie is now a three-way split between Nikon, Canon and Pentax. Of course, the difference between the two is becoming increasingly blurred... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:04:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? -Adam Yep, but he's about the only one who did. -Adam
Re: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On 1/19/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? Yes, but he only used it to take photos of cats and flowers... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Don't be silly. The only thing that will change is that you will need an optional, propriatory, Sony finger so as to trip the shutter. Kostas
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mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? I think so. I haven't emailed him for a while but I'm pretty sure he was planning on getting one. I kind of liked the concept behind the camera. Not necessarily the in-camera IS (thought that's nice) but the idea of having most of the controls accessible via external controls rather than computer-driven menus. It resulted in an ugly camera but I'll bet it was nice to use (reviews seem to have said as much). The Pentax DSLR's sure are prettier but I often find myself wishing there were a simpler way of changing a setting or two. Of course, it would appear that the Pentax approach worked better from a marketing standpoint g. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Don't be silly. The only thing that will change is that you will need an optional, propriatory, Sony finger so as to trip the shutter. And this proprietary Sony Finger will be installed on your hand without your knowledge or permission when you're not looking... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark Roberts wrote on 19.01.06 15:00: And this proprietary Sony Finger will be installed on your hand without your knowledge or permission when you're not looking... And your credit card will be charged for 500$ every month :-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
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From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:37:13 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:04:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? -Adam Yep, but he's about the only one who did. The curse of Wislon strikes. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 02:00:39 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Don't be silly. The only thing that will change is that you will need an optional, propriatory, Sony finger so as to trip the shutter. And this proprietary Sony Finger will be installed on your hand without your knowledge or permission when you're not looking... And when a properly appointed representative of the Law asks Who's been a naughty boy, then? the finger will point involuntarily to you. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? Yes, but he only used it to take photos of cats and flowers... SPLORF! Wipes coffee off computer monitor ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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fra: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Don't be silly. The only thing that will change is that you will need an optional, propriatory, Sony finger so as to trip the shutter. And this proprietary Sony Finger will be installed on your hand without your knowledge or permission when you're not looking... And when a properly appointed representative of the Law asks Who's been a naughty boy, then? the finger will point involuntarily to you. And it will refuse to press OK for any download of unlicenced music, movies or software... DagT
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On 1/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPLORF! Wipes coffee off computer monitor ;-) I think the Mike Johnston and cat and flower photos genre of humour is nearing the end of the line, but I'm glad I could squeeze one more good 'un out of it. LOL cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? I think so. I haven't emailed him for a while but I'm pretty sure he was planning on getting one. I kind of liked the concept behind the camera. Not necessarily the in-camera IS (thought that's nice) but the idea of having most of the controls accessible via external controls rather than computer-driven menus. It resulted in an ugly camera but I'll bet it was nice to use (reviews seem to have said as much). The Pentax DSLR's sure are prettier but I often find myself wishing there were a simpler way of changing a setting or two. Of course, it would appear that the Pentax approach worked better from a marketing standpoint g. Yeah, he got one, wrote a love-in for it as a review in Black White Photography Magazine. The D had a fairly good take on the 'All controls are physical' paradigm, the only real weaknesses were that ISO and WB were on the mode dial, instead of being buttons. In fact I would have prefered the Mode Dial be replaced by a set of mode/iso/WB buttons, and on the D, Av and Tv modes are irrelevant because of HyperProgram, so just leave P and M modes. Much nicer IMHO than the 7D's knobs everywhere paradigm (I like buttons+wheel best, Knobs are at best acceptable, only buttons seriously sucks). -Adam
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Mark Roberts wrote: I kind of liked the concept behind the camera. Not necessarily the in-camera IS (thought that's nice) but the idea of having most of the controls accessible via external controls rather than computer-driven menus. It resulted in an ugly camera but I'll bet it was nice to use (reviews seem to have said as much). Herbert Kepler in Pop Photo had a comparison between the 7D and 5D. Basically, why is one more expensive than the other. He liked the controls of the 7D better because settings were not buried in menus. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
RE: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
sigh What a shame Shel [Original Message] From: Jaume Lahuerta I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know...
RE: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
The future does indeed look bleak for some of the old-line camera manufacturers. Shel [Original Message] From: Cotty It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Christian wrote: Herbert Kepler in Pop Photo had a comparison between the 7D and 5D. Basically, why is one more expensive than the other. He liked the controls of the 7D better because settings were not buried in menus. I agree. I liked the 7D much better than any other current DSLR. I'd have bought one if I had the money to spare. But after March I can buy one with Sony's name on it. And the new one coming in the fall should be dynamite. Bob
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:) Ursprungligt meddelande Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Jan 19, 2006 12:52:43 PM Till: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Ärende: Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Jostein the paranoid. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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Unfortunately that would be a two and a half way split, pentax being the half. Ursprungligt meddelande Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Jan 19, 2006 2:36:03 PM Till: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Ärende: Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Not surprising, IMHO. They were too late to the DSLR market (way behind Pentax, even!) And I think they hurt themselves by diluting the Minolta name when they merged with Konica. There's no reason why they couldn't have marketed cameras and photographic equipment under the name Minolta even after the merger, if they'd wanted to. I also suspect they didn't weather the total lens mount revision of the 80's as well as Canon did - not having Canon's clout and user base, after all. (And who came up with that stupid proprietary flash shoe thing, anyway?) A lot of little things adding up. Now their product line will continue under the Sony brand, apparently, but they'll be competing with the Samsung-branded-Pentax products, for the most part. The Serious Photography pie is now a three-way split between Nikon, Canon and Pentax. Of course, the difference between the two is becoming increasingly blurred... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Well if the sky wasn't falling, maybe it was getting a little lower. Who knows how this will turn out for Minolta users. Tom C. From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:59:53 +1000 On 19 Jan 2006 at 9:46, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... A hint of what's to come for Pentax possibly. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
In a message dated 1/19/2006 2:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: m p.s. Glad to see you are still here, Marnie. Your advice on Nightshade plants has worked miracles for me. I am deeply indebted. == Hey, great! Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Don't be silly. The only thing that will change is that you will need an optional, propriatory, Sony finger so as to trip the shutter. And this proprietary Sony Finger will be installed on your hand without your knowledge or permission when you're not looking... And when a properly appointed representative of the Law asks Who's been a naughty boy, then? the finger will point involuntarily to you. Thus the phrase getting fingered. (Why do you think they call it digital photography, anyway?) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
This doesn't surprise me, Konica despite a long history in the industry isn't primarily a photography company. They wanted Minolta for a lot of reasons when they bought them, but the Camera division probably wasn't one of them. The fact that Sony will continue to manufacture DSRL's using the Maxxum/Dynax, (anyone else notice that description manes it a MD mount, well kind of), mount at least means the Minolta users won't be left out in the cold. Sony has entered the DSLR market but at the same time Minolta leaves it. Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
I liked the in-camera IS idea. Keeps lens prices down. Tom C. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:44:52 -0500 mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? I think so. I haven't emailed him for a while but I'm pretty sure he was planning on getting one. I kind of liked the concept behind the camera. Not necessarily the in-camera IS (thought that's nice) but the idea of having most of the controls accessible via external controls rather than computer-driven menus. It resulted in an ugly camera but I'll bet it was nice to use (reviews seem to have said as much). The Pentax DSLR's sure are prettier but I often find myself wishing there were a simpler way of changing a setting or two. Of course, it would appear that the Pentax approach worked better from a marketing standpoint g. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Unlike Minolta and Konica, Pentax is primarily a Photography company, it's not part of a large conglomerate, and it's very identity is based on a Camera. They may leave the photo market but they'll probably fight tooth and nail not to. Konica had left the SLR camera market once already. It was just a business decision for them. Rob Studdert wrote: On 19 Jan 2006 at 9:46, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... A hint of what's to come for Pentax possibly. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:46:40 +0100 schreef Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html Yes, sad :( It's a bit unclear what really is going to happen: it seems KM will keep on producing SLR's and lenses for Sony? Not by my reading, they will in the interim make DSLR's for Sony. Sony will take over manufacture and marketing by the end of the year. They will probably be hiring some or all of the people involved in designing and manufacturing the DSLRs and be buying all dies and equipment from Konica. Anything not applicable to DSLR's will be junked and those workers not involved in design and manufacture of DSLRs will be remaindered to Konica to be reassigned or let go. At the same time Konica will be giving whatever film and photo developing business is left over to Noritsu. I wonder if they, Konica, will still manufacture film, (do they still manufacture film, I haven't seen any of theirs in a very long time). If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Pentax _stated_ they would keep marketing camera's under their own brand. The announcement of the Samsung GX-1S (before any takeover announcements) is consistent with this. Besides: the deal with Samsung excludes camera's over $1500,-, like the D645 (and of course the D-LX :p). I think Pentax will stay around for a while... __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. This is probably not what I think it is :o) Would be handy to carry a tripod through the Andes, though... -- Regards, Lucas -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On 1/19/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlike Minolta and Konica, Pentax is primarily a Photography company, it's not part of a large conglomerate, and it's very identity is based on a Camera. They may leave the photo market but they'll probably fight tooth and nail not to. Konica had left the SLR camera market once already. It was just a business decision for them. Don't Pentax make more $$ from their medical imaging division than their photography division? That's just off the top o' my head, but I'm sure I read that somewhere recently. Time to Google! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Looks like Sony is going to have the DSLR entry that they wanted. I was kind of figuring a move like this might happen. KM has been in trouble financially for several years, and Sony's been itching for a DSLR entry point. A Sony (KM) DSLR system would not be a bad thing. Sony brings a lot of imaging and sensor expertise to the market. As well as a fair bit of clout=money. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Panasonic has a relationship with Olympus, and Olympus has been in financial trouble too ... and Panasonic has announced a 4/3 system DSLR ... hm. What does it mean for the Pentax/Samsung relationship? I have no idea... ;-) Godfrey On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
Capitalism giveth Capitalism taketh away... Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Another great example of how capitalism produces more choice and diversity. :-/ Ralf -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
It could, but Pentax as a company is much more invested in the Photography market. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:23:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Cheers, Cotty And the same thing couldn't happen with Pentax and Samsung? Not trying to be a doom sayer, and negative, but just wondering if things might go a little different from has been speculated about on this list. Recently. I don't want it to go the same way... but... maybe better to be semi-prepared if it does... Marnie aka Doe Lenses would still be good. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: film and photo developing business is left over to Noritsu. I wonder if they, Konica, will still manufacture film, (do they still manufacture film, I haven't seen any of theirs in a very long time). I don't know who manufactures it where and when, but I have been buying 50-50 Konica Centuria Super and Fuji Superia (all 400) over the past 2 years. I just checked my usual supplier and they have added a Stock indication to their film. The Konica above appears to be plentiful. Kostas
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
Bob Shell wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Jostein wrote: Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Jostein the paranoid. Sure, just try putting a Tamron lens on that sucker and it alerts the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other agencies too secret to have initials. You are immediately arrested for being a photographer, since everyone knows that photographers are terrorists. Bob and Child molesters... and just perverts in general... -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
It's Sony, why not. Jostein wrote: Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's official: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0601/06011901konicaminoltaout.asp Hmmm... Wonder if Sony will introduce the same level of copy protection to lens mounts as they do to music CDs...:-) Jostein the paranoid. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:04:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? I think he did. He also was in love the the *ist-Ds, called it the Digital K 1000 or some such. I wonder what he's saying now... -Adam Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Hi, I have just seen this in dpreview forum: http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html If true, I hope that it is not an exemple for another brand that we all know... Regards, Jaume __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Ooh, if he reads this you're in trouble... frank theriault wrote: On 1/19/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? Yes, but he only used it to take photos of cats and flowers... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Well yes, but Konica makes office equipment, medical equipment, chemicals, God knows what else. Pentax makes optical equipment, medical, and cameras, and renamed their company after a camera. frank theriault wrote: On 1/19/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlike Minolta and Konica, Pentax is primarily a Photography company, it's not part of a large conglomerate, and it's very identity is based on a Camera. They may leave the photo market but they'll probably fight tooth and nail not to. Konica had left the SLR camera market once already. It was just a business decision for them. Don't Pentax make more $$ from their medical imaging division than their photography division? That's just off the top o' my head, but I'm sure I read that somewhere recently. Time to Google! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
Actually a Pro-photographer of my acquaintance uses Minolta gear, I ran into her at an event not long ago and she was using a 7D. Not a bad camera for a huge honking monster, lots'o knobs and buttons though. I miss the buttons on my D but... Adam Maas wrote: mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/19 Thu PM 01:04:54 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand? Unusurprising. KM was years late to the DSLR game and it seems to have killed them. Even Pentax has a much larger share of the (profitable) DSLR market, but then again, the *istD was on the market almost 2 years before the Maxxum 7D arrived. Didn't Mike Johnston buy one of those? -Adam Yep, but he's about the only one who did. -Adam -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: OT: End of Konica Minolta brand?
In a message dated 1/19/2006 9:57:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't Pentax make more $$ from their medical imaging division than their photography division? That's just off the top o' my head, but I'm sure I read that somewhere recently. Time to Google! cheers, frank Yes, frank. Herb used to mention that on list quite often when he was breaking down Pentax's revenues. So, right, it's NOT that different. Marnie aka Doe
Konica-Minolta
Just read on Yahoo news that Konica-Minolta is shutting down production of all cameras by 2007. They said this was being done because in todays digital camera market it became too difficult to timely provide competitive products. This will slash 3700 jobs which amounts to 11% of their work force. Their high end digital cameras will be sold off to Sony. They will also quit making film by 2007. I hope this is not a sign of the direction our beloved Pentax will be forced to take! DG
Konica-Minolta
Because Konica Minolta started working with Sony last year to develop SLR's it makes me nervous that Pentax, which has a similar working agreement with Samsung, will follow suit and drop their point and shoot digitals and sell the DSLR end out to Samsung. After all Pentax had the about the same financial loss last year that Konica-Minolta did. DG
Re: Konica-Minolta
You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. John On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:31 -, dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because Konica Minolta started working with Sony last year to develop SLR's it makes me nervous that Pentax, which has a similar working agreement with Samsung, will follow suit and drop their point and shoot digitals and sell the DSLR end out to Samsung. After all Pentax had the about the same financial loss last year that Konica-Minolta did. DG -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Konica-Minolta
On 1/19/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. I don't know about the rest of you, but I believe that I live in several universes at once. That way if things are going badly in one universe, I can just flip over into another one... However, in all universes that I've visited lately, Pentax made a profit last year, and they expect to make one this year. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Konica-Minolta
John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dick graham wrote: Because Konica Minolta started working with Sony last year to develop SLR's it makes me nervous that Pentax, which has a similar working agreement with Samsung, will follow suit and drop their point and shoot digitals and sell the DSLR end out to Samsung. After all Pentax had the about the same financial loss last year that Konica-Minolta did. You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. Yep. IIRC, the news was that Pentax's profits were down, not that they had actually incurred a loss. Things are certainly looking up this year. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT - Konica Minolta Bows Out
- Original Message - From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure, just try putting a Tamron lens on that sucker and it alerts the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other agencies too secret to have initials. You are immediately arrested for being a photographer, since everyone knows that photographers are terrorists. LOL... I was thinking more about implementing a scheme of, for example, reduced functionality with 3rd party lenses. Well anyway... hehe... Jostein
Re: Konica-Minolta
isn't it why we haven't heard from Herb for a while? best, mishka On 1/19/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. John
Re: Konica-Minolta
Sssh! J On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:18:56 -, Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't it why we haven't heard from Herb for a while? best, mishka On 1/19/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Konica-Minolta
He seems to have moved on to DP Review's Pentax Forum. Mishka wrote: isn't it why we haven't heard from Herb for a while? best, mishka On 1/19/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to exist in a parallel universe. Pentax made a profit last year, and expect to make a profit this year. John -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Konica-Minolta
- Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Konica-Minolta isn't it why we haven't heard from Herb for a while? I believe Herb has decided to switch brands, and I suspect mail lists as well. William Robb
Konica Minolta revises business projections and plans
http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2005/1104_01_01.html
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
Bob wrote: I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, REPLY: You mean something that only sells in north America and Japan? Pål
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, You mean something that only sells in north America and Japan? We think of them as nice foreign cars that are actually supported by a dealer network. William Robb
Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
In this interview with the head of Sony in Spain he touches on all of these topics. I find it interesting that Sony was considering buying Nikon. Even more interesting that they are talking to Zeiss about making lenses for their forthcoming DSLR cameras. I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, and adding Zeiss glass would be one way to do that. http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/Sony-SLR-R1-N1,1_en_2084 Bob
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
It was barely an interview and something must have been lost in translation. The most I could gather is that the Castillio doesn't understand the SLR photography market, doesn't see the need for interchangeable lenses, and if they are going to be interchangeable he wants them to have have the Zeise brand on them. (If I were working in Konica/Minoltas marketing department I'd be cradling my head in my hands right now sobbing softly, while looking to remove the knife from between my ribs). Bob Shell wrote: In this interview with the head of Sony in Spain he touches on all of these topics. I find it interesting that Sony was considering buying Nikon. Even more interesting that they are talking to Zeiss about making lenses for their forthcoming DSLR cameras. I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, and adding Zeiss glass would be one way to do that. http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/Sony-SLR-R1-N1,1_en_2084 Bob -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
Well, I would say that if Sony is coming directly into the battle with their own DSLR's, then it really behooves Pentax to find another supplier of sensors - they would be killed by cost/accessibility of sensors from Sony. You would have Sony, Minolta and Nikon probably ahead of them. Seems that perhaps the Samsung route is quite necesary, if you ask me. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, October 15, 2005, 4:13:12 AM, you wrote: BS In this interview with the head of Sony in Spain he touches on all of BS these topics. I find it interesting that Sony was considering buying BS Nikon. Even more interesting that they are talking to Zeiss about BS making lenses for their forthcoming DSLR cameras. I was told weeks ago BS by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, BS and adding Zeiss glass would be one way to do that. BS http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/Sony-SLR-R1-N1,1_en_2084 BS Bob
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
Given that Samsung is now a much bigger electronics company than Sony, and much more focussed, I would say that this is probably the best arrangement Pentax could have made. I am sure Samsung will wish to move pretty fast on this. My guess is that they have a sensor on the blocks. John On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:11:14 +0100, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would say that if Sony is coming directly into the battle with their own DSLR's, then it really behooves Pentax to find another supplier of sensors - they would be killed by cost/accessibility of sensors from Sony. You would have Sony, Minolta and Nikon probably ahead of them. Seems that perhaps the Samsung route is quite necesary, if you ask me. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Sony Nikon Konica Minolta Zeiss news
Pentax is doomed!!! Run for your lives. Sell me all your prized Pentax equipment at fire sale prices. Derek of Doom In this interview with the head of Sony in Spain he touches on all of these topics. I find it interesting that Sony was considering buying Nikon. Even more interesting that they are talking to Zeiss about making lenses for their forthcoming DSLR cameras. I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus of DSLRs, and adding Zeiss glass would be one way to do that. http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/Sony-SLR-R1-N1,1_en_2084 Bob
Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage/SilverFast Ai
Trying a more appropriate Subject heading: Anyone have personal experience or an opinion re either of the following? 1) Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage Scan Elite. 2) LaserSoft Imaging SilverFast Ai color managment software. I doubtless missed related past list discussions. Thanks..once again, Jack __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage/SilverFast Ai
Trying a more appropriate Subject heading: Anyone have personal experience or an opinion re either of the following? 1) Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage Scan Elite. 2) LaserSoft Imaging SilverFast Ai color managment software. I doubtless missed related past list discussions. Thanks..once again, Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage/SilverFast Ai
Jack Davis asked: Anyone have personal experience or an opinion re either of the following? 1) Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage Scan Elite. I have one. It does what it's supposed to do. There have been some reports of unreliability. I haven't had any problems with mine but I'm only done about 40 scans. The software has a weird bug in it. It scans the slide at 5400 ppi but saves the file at 4000 ppi. No pixels are lost but the print size is increased. I know it's meaningless but it's still weird. The files for 4000 ppi (output) and 16 bit color scans are 200 megs each. The software can be annoying until you figure it out. I often exceeded my low frustration tolerance. I haven't fooled with the digital ice so I can't comment on it. Scanning the slides and saving them to file is enough for now. I don't know if I actually get 5400 ppi off the slide. The computer industry has a long history of lying about things like that and I suspect that this is more of the same. I have no evidence to support my suspicion. I'm just a skeptic. The scanner does a good job capturing detail but it doesn't seem to capture the entire dynamic range of the slide. Let me know if you'd like to have a 200 meg scan to take a look at. I'll e-mail it to you. G 2) LaserSoft Imaging SilverFast Ai color managment software. Never used it. Tom Reese
Re: Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage/SilverFast Ai
On Dec 10, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Jack Davis wrote: 1) Konica Minolta 5400 DiMage Scan Elite. A friend of mine has one of these. He managed to track down people who owned the equivalent Nikon and Canon scanners and he really wasn't that impressed. But he's happy with the Minolta. As for me, I just ordered its big brother - the Dimage Scan Multi Pro. I am not looking forward to processing 500Mb files :( As for the colour management software I've not heard anything about it. After Larry's comments about Imageprint I'm thinking about trying to get my hands on a demo version (I've heard they can supply one if you ask for it but I'm a bit put off by their international shipping rates). Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Konica Minolta?
on 18.12.03 18:57, graywolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikon belong alongside Mitsubishi already. Asahi Glass is now subsidiary of Mitsubishi too ;-P Actually it has been since 1944 :-))) http://www.agc.co.jp/english/company/history/history.html But I doubt if this company has anything in common with Asahi Pentax :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
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Konica bought Minolta Who's going to buy Pentax? Joe
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Konica bought Minolta Who's going to buy Pentax? Joe Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon. Andre
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And all will end up being owned by Sony BMG LOL Andre Langevin wrote: Konica bought Minolta Who's going to buy Pentax? Joe Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon. Andre
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Nikon belong alongside Mitsubishi already. Pentax maybeso only independent in Nippon left. (Methink pigeon english appropriate) -- Andre Langevin wrote: Konica bought Minolta Who's going to buy Pentax? Joe Eastman, as Fuji will buy Nikon. Andre -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Konica bought Minolta Who's going to buy Pentax? Not me; just spent all my spare cash on Christmas presents. :-P -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Konica Minolta?
I saw an ad on TV last night for a camera and the logo on the ad was the usual Minolta globe, but the name was Konica Minolta. Who bought who? Bill
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on 12/17/03 8:51 PM, Bill Owens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw an ad on TV last night for a camera and the logo on the ad was the usual Minolta globe, but the name was Konica Minolta. Who bought who? Konica bought Minolta. -- Regards Sylwek
