Re: Minor question of Englsih
Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have invaded Star Trek universe... Boris On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jeffery Smith My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Scottish are all Irish really. Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have invaded Star Trek universe... Boris On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jeffery Smith My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. Boris On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote: The Scottish are all Irish really. Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have invaded Star Trek universe... Boris On 11/6/2010 5:44 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jeffery Smith My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/7 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have invaded Star Trek universe... James Doohan who played Scotty was Canadian ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Is Colm Meanie Scottish? Drat, he's also Irish. It seems Irishmen have invaded Star Trek universe... James Doohan who played Scotty was Canadian ;-) Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish. Apart from the Albanian ones. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/7 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish. Apart from the Albanian ones. anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance? It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania / much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ... Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle single: Albania! Albania! Not nearly as repressive as Roumania Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia And if we don't win any games The secret police will confiscate our dentures The secret police will take away our extra meat ration The secret police will shout at our slippers... ring a bell anyone? 2010/11/7 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: 2010/11/7 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish. Apart from the Albanian ones. anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance? It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania / much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ... Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/7/2010 11:32 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!! ROTFLMAO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Albania or Elbonia? Boris On 11/7/2010 12:39 PM, eckinator wrote: found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle single: Albania! Albania! Not nearly as repressive as Roumania Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia And if we don't win any games The secret police will confiscate our dentures The secret police will take away our extra meat ration The secret police will shout at our slippers... ring a bell anyone? 2010/11/7 eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com: 2010/11/7 Bob Wp...@web-options.com: Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish. Apart from the Albanian ones. anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance? It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania / much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ... Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm an American playing an American. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Albania or Elbonia? Boris On 11/7/2010 12:39 PM, eckinator wrote: found part of it from a source that attributes it to a 1982 Alexei Sayle single: Albania! Albania! Not nearly as repressive as Roumania Easier to spell than Boueftsgwachgznia And if we don't win any games The secret police will confiscate our dentures The secret police will take away our extra meat ration The secret police will shout at our slippers... ring a bell anyone? 2010/11/7 eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com: 2010/11/7 Bob Wp...@web-options.com: Canadians and New Zealanders are all Scottish. Apart from the Albanian ones. anyone have the lyrics of Spitting Image's Albanian anthem by any chance? It went something like Albania / much less repressive than Romania / much easier to spell than Bophuthatsvania / ... Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think Bob W was commenting on one of history's more interesting jokes. At some time not too long after the fall of the Roman Empire, the Scots and the Irish switched places. Scotland is actually named after the Irish, who were known as the Scotti to the Romans. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. Boris On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote: The Scottish are all Irish really. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That I did not know. Thanks. On 11/7/2010 4:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I think Bob W was commenting on one of history's more interesting jokes. At some time not too long after the fall of the Roman Empire, the Scots and the Irish switched places. Scotland is actually named after the Irish, who were known as the Scotti to the Romans. -Adam On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. Boris On 11/7/2010 10:58 AM, Bob W wrote: The Scottish are all Irish really. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/7/2010 4:32 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/11/7 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: All peoples on the Earth are brothers. And sisters. I am NOT your sister!!! Get that outta yer rotten mind!!! Does that you won't be wearing the wimple then? -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/7 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Does that you won't be wearing the wimple then? if it is rainproof and made by Kata... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Jeffery Smith My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:44 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Jeffery Smith My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. Don't forget Mister Beam me up Scotty Scott. Who was born in Vancouver, BC, not Scotland. In fact James Doohan isn't even Scottish by background, his parents were Irish. Doohan did have a gift for accents though and did a fair Scots accent in Star Trek. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. On 11/3/2010 7:38 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 10:07 AM, Bob W wrote: ... It almost never appears in 'natural' English, and where it does I wonder if the writer is a native speaker. So Boris, believe Walt when he says to you... I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native English speaker or not. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My only points of reference are Sean Connery and the Fat Bastard. Jeffery On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Scottish, no matter how much the Scots deny it, is an English dialect. Sting certianly didn't grow up speaking Gaelic. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native English speaker or not. I have a biography of his life prior to The Police somewhere (or I gave it to my brother). IIRC his mother or father came from the Isle of Man, but he was born and grew up in Wallsend, Northumberland (near Newcastle On Tyne). Native English speaker ... I can't judge. That's awfully close to Scotland ... ];-) Wallsend is England's equivalent to RabCNesbittland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7VoFiagfs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:16 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native English speaker or not. I have a biography of his life prior to The Police somewhere (or I gave it to my brother). IIRC his mother or father came from the Isle of Man, but he was born and grew up in Wallsend, Northumberland (near Newcastle On Tyne). Native English speaker ... I can't judge. That's awfully close to Scotland ... ];-) Wallsend is England's equivalent to RabCNesbittland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7VoFiagfs Maybe that *is* native English ... ! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey, hold up Mike - I once worked in Wallsend, lovely people - shame about the place! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Minor question of Englsih Wallsend is England's equivalent to RabCNesbittland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7VoFiagfs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I may not be the best person to explain the difference, but I'll try. The difference is subtle. In When I say to you -- the word to indicates that I am communicating with you particularly. In using When I'm saying you, there's no indication that anyone in particular is being addressed. For example, Believe me when I'm saying nice things -- I could simply be trying to emphasize that when I say nice things, I mean it -- and I could be saying nice things to anyone, and mean it just as much. On the other hand, if I were to say, Believe me when I say to you that you're beautiful ... the difference is that I'm trying to emphasize a personal connection with you ... the person I'm actually speaking to. I should point out that, in conversational English, you'd almost never hear it spoken that way by a native speaker. Most often, people would say, Believe me when I *tell* you rather than Believe me when I *say to* you, which I can only imagine being used in song lyrics or poetry for the purpose of phrasing and meter. I hope that helps somewhat, and hasn't caused you even more confusion. Best, Walt Contact Me Facebook http://www.facebook.com/walt.gilbertFlickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/Twitter http://twitter.com/walt_gilbert --- @ WiseStamp Signature http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhbsite=www.wisestamp.com/email-install. Get it now http://my.wisestamp.com/link?u=ypgdb385pypw7fhbsite=www.wisestamp.com/email-install On 11/3/2010 12:39 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Each time I listen to Russians by Sting (lyrics here, e.g.: http://www.lyricattack.com/s/stinglyrics/russianslyrics.html), what is the difference between I'm saying you smth and I say to you like Sting sings? Thanks in advance. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Walter. I think it clears this issue completely. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You're more than welcome, Boris. I have to admire anyone who manages to learn English as a non-native speaker -- or any other language, really. :-) -- Walt On 11/3/2010 1:48 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Thanks, Walter. I think it clears this issue completely. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] I should point out that, in conversational English, you'd almost never hear it spoken that way by a native speaker. Most often, people would say, Believe me when I *tell* you rather than Believe me when I *say to* you, which I can only imagine being used in song lyrics or poetry for the purpose of phrasing and meter. that's a very interesting observation. The first thing I thought of when you wrote believe me when I tell you was the Beatles song Oh Darling, which includes exactly that phrase. I Googled when I say to you and in the first 100 results it appears almost exclusively in lyrics, with probably the second most common occurrence being in biblical quotes or otherwise rhetorical styles of speech and writing. It almost never appears in 'natural' English, and where it does I wonder if the writer is a native speaker. So Boris, believe Walt when he says to you... [...] On 11/3/2010 12:39 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Each time I listen to Russians by Sting (lyrics here, e.g.: http://www.lyricattack.com/s/stinglyrics/russianslyrics.html), what is the difference between I'm saying you smth and I say to you like Sting sings? Thanks in advance. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 10:07 AM, Bob W wrote: ... It almost never appears in 'natural' English, and where it does I wonder if the writer is a native speaker. So Boris, believe Walt when he says to you... I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There are just too many snappy replies to this one, Boris. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/3/2010 10:07 AM, Bob W wrote: ... It almost never appears in 'natural' English, and where it does I wonder if the writer is a native speaker. So Boris, believe Walt when he says to you... I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 10:07 AM, Bob W wrote: ... It almost never appears in 'natural' English, and where it does I wonder if the writer is a native speaker. So Boris, believe Walt when he says to you... I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native English speaker or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 5:38 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I have no reason not to. But speaking of native speakers, I suppose Sting is native enough, isn't he? If memory serves he's from Scotland. I don't know if that makes him a native English speaker or not. I have a biography of his life prior to The Police somewhere (or I gave it to my brother). IIRC his mother or father came from the Isle of Man, but he was born and grew up in Wallsend, Northumberland (near Newcastle On Tyne). Native English speaker ... I can't judge. That's awfully close to Scotland ... ];-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi! Each time I listen to Russians by Sting (lyrics here, e.g.: http://www.lyricattack.com/s/stinglyrics/russianslyrics.html), what is the difference between I'm saying you smth and I say to you like Sting sings? Thanks in advance. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
