RE: The slippery slope of LX and 67 ownership was: More Pentax news/rumors (Now taking a poll)
-- -Original Message- -- From: gfen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:44 PM -- -- I met Cesar's LXen this weekend... I think I could be taken, -- its almost as -- pleasant to look through as my 645. I'm hoping my bargain MX -- will be good -- neough to keep me happy, though. -- -- In other news, that 77ltd sure is a mighty nice looking lens, too. -- -- -- -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a -- poke in your eye. -- http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. -- Be happy I did not bring them all along - with accessories. Sorry about showing off and taking a picture of the crew by placing the camera on the table removing the prism and focusing using the ground glass ;-) I will have to see which screens I actually have in the two I brought with me. I don't even notice them anymore. Unless I use someone else's camera and I am shocked as to how different the view is... I left the 31 Limited behind this time too, maybe next trip... Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland
Re: J Focus Collar (was Re: More Pentax news/rumors (Now taking apoll))
Oh... I opened that URL and find it's about Nikon, so I didn't continue reading it. I am only interested in Pentax, not Nikon. But thanks... keith whaley Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Try reading it again. It says plastic construction and not plastic mount. I own one, I know what they mean. I suggest you actually look at one. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here some recommended reading: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/emfgfg20/eserieslenses/
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I suppose Pentax are just following the pack, as N***N have released aperture ring-less lenses of late - squarely aimed at enthusiasts. Not so. Part of the reason for release of G lenses was in response to requests from certain pro photogs, apparently. True some G lenses are enthusiast targeted but can we say the same about the VR 2.8 zoom? I feel that it is certain that aperture ring lenses in AF are on their way out, certainly in Nikon. Kind regards Peter
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Joseph wrote: If the *ist is a medium-level camera -- which it could be from its features -- then why package it (or even show it) with a crippled J lens? Because Canon sell loads of lenses without aperture rings For that matter, would photographers serious enough to buy the digital slr want it with a J lens? They want the non-serious photographers to buy into digital SLR's. This is the ony way for prices to come down to a level so that serious ones will buy them. And nothing prevent the serious shooters to pair the *ist with a non FA J lens. I sincerely hope Pentax succeeds, but their reasoning elused me. The reasoning is to sell a lot of cameras and lenss. Pål
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Peter wrote: I feel that it is certain that aperture ring lenses in AF are on their way out, certainly in Nikon. According to Nikon engineers they have no plan to remove the aperture ring from the lenses. Apart from the entry level G-lenses, the reson for removing the aperture ring were technical. Pentax BTW is of the same opinion. There are no plan for removing the aperture ring wholesale from Pentax lenses. Pål
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According to Nikon engineers they have no plan to remove the aperture ring from the lenses. Given that G lenses were actually requested by fumbling pjs, I feel sure that this is the thin end of the wedge. It's in my bones. Kind regards Peter
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- Original Message - From: Peter Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: J Focus Collar (was Re: More Pentax news/rumors (Now taking a poll)) Pål wrote: According to Nikon engineers they have no plan to remove the aperture ring from the lenses. Apart from the entry level G-lenses, the reson for removing the aperture ring were technical. The G lenses are not just entry level as evidenced by the new 70-200mm ED-IF VR G lens a 2.8 wide angle zoom (the focal length slips my mind). Read what I said: apart from entry level etc Here's a quote: In a recent meeting with Mr. Tetsuro Goto, Head of Research and Development for Nikon SLR cameras, I asked if all future professional specification Nikkors would follow suit and be of the G-type. He explained that the decision to adopt the G specification for the VR 70-200mm lens was based purely on engineering reasons, because Nikon's priority was to produce a lightweight, compact lens, and that there was no policy to dispense with a conventional aperture ring in future lenses provided it fitted the design criteria. Pål
The slippery slope of LX and 67 ownership was: More Pentax news/rumors (Now taking a poll)
Mike Johnston wrote: I just finally managed to swing for an LX, and there you go trying to entice me into the Brotherhood. Don't think I haven't been tempted...I've never shot with a Pentax 6x7 and I keep seeing tantalizing comments and examples from that new 75mm f/2.8 lens, which IMO would be just about the perfect normal lens. A couple of years back (in the days when I had 3 lenses and 2 MXs to my name), I joined the PDML and was encouraged to buy an LX - didn't take much as I had always wanted one. The LX has many accessories, interchangeable finders, screens and is such a darn good camera to use it seems rude not to explore it's capabilities g. The 67 is a fantastic camera, and although I only own the basic camera with a 105mm lens, I have already added the wooden grip. I see a trend... It is a slippery slope! Malcolm
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On February 22, 2003 02:59 pm, William Robb wrote: I had to get used to NOT having distance information when I went to large format. Now, when I use small cameras, I find I don't use the scales anyway. For me, they are just another way to confuse me when I should be concentrating on picture taking. Only time I use the distance marks is on my folder. No viewfinder so it's either that or nothing at all . Nick
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Maybe not. But we've got a lot of mech-weenies here. If you're out shooting a party where you want and need AF, then it probably wouldn't matter. These lenses are obviously not for technical work. They're for just shooting -- production work. Looking at the pics of them on the Pentax site, something stands out to me that raises a questions: There's a manual focus ring on the front of the J75-300, but I don't see one on the J28-80. Is this correct? Collin
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Me to Joe. None of us is ever likely to but a lens like an FAJ - are we? I certainly wouldn't be interested in anything that I can't use on my LX. Although the J should work on any of the z/pz or mz series cameras. I suppose Pentax are just following the pack, as N***N have released aperture ring-less lenses of late - squarely aimed at enthusiasts. I think a couple of them even had plastic or polycarbonate lens mounts from memory Cheers Shaun Joseph Tainter wrote: If the *ist is a medium-level camera -- which it could be from its features -- then why package it (or even show it) with a crippled J lens? For that matter, would photographers serious enough to buy the digital slr want it with a J lens? I sincerely hope Pentax succeeds, but their reasoning elused me. Joe . -- Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services High Street, Broadford, Victoria, 3658. www.heritageservices.com.au/ Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Boy, after that long thread we had a while back about the wonderful virtues of the two dial/one handed operation of the PZ-1p, that at least those people would be looking on the J concept favorably... Bruce Sunday, February 23, 2003, 3:41:27 PM, you wrote: JT If the *ist is a medium-level camera -- which it could be from its JT features -- then why package it (or even show it) with a crippled J lens? JT For that matter, would photographers serious enough to buy the digital JT slr want it with a J lens? JT I sincerely hope Pentax succeeds, but their reasoning elused me. JT Joe
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Y'all need to lay off Mike. He's already twitchy enough about committing to any one system and here y'all are trying to spook him for fun. Just remember the Serenity Prayer Mike. Everything will be all right. Dan Scott -- thrilled to be typing on a real keyboard once again! Dan, Yes, making fun of the neurotic is cruelty, not sport. gg --Mike (muttering, Go placidly amidst the noise and haste...)
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Shaun Canning wrote: I suppose Pentax are just following the pack, as N***N have released aperture ring-less lenses of late - squarely aimed at enthusiasts. I think a couple of them even had plastic or polycarbonate lens mounts from memory Both C***n and N***n (should I write them as ***on ?) produced some glorious 50mm primes with plastic mounts. cheers, the *aveman
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Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the *ist is a medium-level camera -- which it could be from its features -- then why package it (or even show it) with a crippled J lens? They're probably showing it with the J lenses because they are the newest products. In the U.S. at least, only the ZX-60 will be packaged with the J lenses. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Nikon doesn't sell any 50mm primes with plastic mounts. I have their cheapest AF 50/1.8 with the crummy feel, great optics and chrome plated brass mount. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both C***n and N***n (should I write them as ***on ?) produced some glorious 50mm primes with plastic mounts. cheers, the *aveman
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Just check the first production lots of the 50mm E series. Yes, you are correct that they don't sell them anymore. Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Nikon doesn't sell any 50mm primes with plastic mounts. I have their cheapest AF 50/1.8 with the crummy feel, great optics and chrome plated brass mount. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both C***n and N***n (should I write them as ***on ?) produced some glorious 50mm primes with plastic mounts. cheers, the *aveman
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Try reading it again. It says plastic construction and not plastic mount. I own one, I know what they mean. I suggest you actually look at one. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here some recommended reading: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/emfgfg20/eserieslenses/
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3. FAJ 18-35mm along with the DSLR. Don´t know the aperature range. Wasn´t this lens rumored a year ago or so (well not the FAJ version)? -Matti Eteläperä Is Pentax off in la-la land again? How many serious photographers, like those on this list, would buy an FAJ lens without distance markings, to use on a digital or any camera? It's a serious question. Please share your thoughts. I would never buy a lens without a distance scale, even understanding that the distances on zoom lenses are only approximate. On occasion I try to figure hyperfocal distance with zooms, generally with pretty good success. Let's hope we never see an FAJ 50. If that's Pentax's future, then it will be time to jump ship. Joe
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Joseph, The trick to jumping ship is that seems to be the future of the other brands, too. Perhaps you are meaning If Pentax starts moving downstream in target audience then it is time to jump ship? I believe there are a few on the list who would strongly argue that this has already occurred many years ago. All I can say, is I have never been happier once I moved off 35mm as being my *serious* platform. Using MF has been so much better than 35 in both results and enjoyment of the equipment and process. Now I find that Pentax directions fit just fine with my 35mm needs - mainly, decent automation and portable (small). After all, that is one of the greatest strengths of the 35mm format. I intend on being one of the early *ist-ites and will give a full report of my impressions and experiences. Now I just need to find out when/where I can get one. Bruce Saturday, February 22, 2003, 10:32:51 AM, you wrote: JT 3. FAJ 18-35mm along with the DSLR. Don´t know the aperature range. JT Wasn´t this lens rumored a year ago or so (well not the FAJ version)? JT-Matti Eteläperä JT Is Pentax off in la-la land again? How many serious photographers, like JT those on this list, would buy an FAJ lens without distance markings, to JT use on a digital or any camera? It's a serious question. Please share JT your thoughts. JT I would never buy a lens without a distance scale, even understanding JT that the distances on zoom lenses are only approximate. On occasion I JT try to figure hyperfocal distance with zooms, generally with pretty good JT success. JT Let's hope we never see an FAJ 50. If that's Pentax's future, then it JT will be time to jump ship. JT Joe
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Matti wrote: 2. He told me that both cameras (DSLR and *ist) are fully compatible with K/M -lenses. For me, seeing is believing... I'm not sure about this. The *Ist is entry level regardless of the arguments thrown around from Pentax reps and price levels: it is designed as entry level. Hence, they may have opted for limitations in the lens mount like on the older MZ-series entry bodies. The *Ist Digital will be Pentax entry level DSLR. Pål
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Joseph wrote: Is Pentax off in la-la land again? How many serious photographers, like those on this list, would buy an FAJ lens without distance markings, to use on a digital or any camera? About 95,6% of the camera buying public in this segment. Mind you, I have no idea if theres truth in the rumors about the 18-35 FAJ lens. However, the *Ist is netry level and the FAJ's are entry level too. It then follows that provided the FAJ 18-35 exist at all, it is a cheap entry level wide angle zoom targeted at *IST buyers; people who are after making a good deal. The FAJ 18-35 lens, again provided it exist, is therefore an obvious candidate for a cheap lens to bundle in a kit with the *Ist digital (or the regular *Ist). Pål
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Joseph wrote: Is Pentax off in la-la land again? How many serious photographers, like those on this list, would buy an FAJ lens without distance markings, to use on a digital or any camera? I had to get used to NOT having distance information when I went to large format. Now, when I use small cameras, I find I don't use the scales anyway. For me, they are just another way to confuse me when I should be concentrating on picture taking. William Robb
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Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The *Ist is entry level regardless of the arguments thrown around from Pentax reps and price levels: it is designed as entry level. Hence, they may have opted for limitations in the lens mount like on the older MZ-series entry bodies. It's been confirmed from several sources that the lens mount is not limited: Full compatibility with K lenses. Pentax considers the *ist to be one step above the MZ-5n. The *Ist Digital will be Pentax entry level DSLR. That sounds right. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mike, Sorry...All I can say, is if you heft a 67II, you will get hooked if you like nice, big, clear viewfinders and that wonderful mechanical feel of old. The 67II gives you just enough automation (about on par with the LX) to be used in faster moving situations and has the nicest grip for your hands. And yes, I suspect that the 75/2.8 is probably the most ideal lens to have. One I am still planning on getting. As to how nice images turn out, the 55/4, 90/2.8, 165/2.8 or 4 LS are superb. Who knows, maybe someday I'll succomb to the LX hood - about the time you get into the 67 hood VBG. Bruce Saturday, February 22, 2003, 1:50:45 PM, you wrote: The trick to jumping ship is that seems to be the future of the other brands, too. Perhaps you are meaning If Pentax starts moving downstream in target audience then it is time to jump ship? I believe there are a few on the list who would strongly argue that this has already occurred many years ago. All I can say, is I have never been happier once I moved off 35mm as being my *serious* platform. Using MF has been so much better than 35 in both results and enjoyment of the equipment and process. MJ Now cut that out, Dayton! I just finally managed to swing for an LX, and MJ there you go trying to entice me into the Brotherhood. Don't think I haven't MJ been tempted...I've never shot with a Pentax 6x7 and I keep seeing MJ tantalizing comments and examples from that new 75mm f/2.8 lens, which IMO MJ would be just about the perfect normal lens. MJ And just imagine my conundrum if, as Pål has been fantasizing, Pentax MJ actually comes out with a new, more compact 6x7 MJ Maybe, cf. my comments in my column today, the LX is *not* my last hurrah MJ with Pentax, but second-to-last. The last will be a 67 with a 75/2.8 MJ --Mike MJ Mike Johnston MJ MJ See The Sunday Morning Photographer, my weekly online column about MJ photography at any of these three locations: MJ http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sunday1.shtml MJ http://www.steves-digicams.com/smp/smp_index.html MJ http://www.photo.net/mjohnston/ MJ Also, check out my regular monthly column in the U.K. _Black White MJ Photography_ magazine!
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on 2/22/03 12:32 PM, Joseph Tainter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I would never buy a lens without a distance scale, even understanding that the distances on zoom lenses are only approximate. On occasion I try to figure hyperfocal distance with zooms, generally with pretty good success. Joe Once in a while I use the distance scale to confirm my own estimate of how far I am from the subject, say when using a flash, but I can't say that I would purposefully buy a camera, or not, just to get a distance scale. I really don't see much use for it. If I want to know what areas are going to be in focus, I look through the viewfinder and stop down the lens . . . Stan
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William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, when I use small cameras, I find I don't use the scales anyway. For me, they are just another way to confuse me when I should be concentrating on picture taking. I rely on distance markings--and the DOF scale--to get maximum depth of field when shooting many scenes around my house (indoors and out) with my fisheye, 20, or 28. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 12:32 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Is Pentax off in la-la land again? How many serious photographers, like those on this list, would buy an FAJ lens without distance markings, to use on a digital or any camera? It's a serious question. Please share your thoughts. Well, I know there are quite a few serious photographers on this list, but what portion of Pentax's current 35mm customers would fit into the serious, 35mm photographer category? Dan Scott
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-Original Message- From: Matti Etelapera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 3. FAJ 18-35mm along with the DSLR. Don´t know the aperature range. Wasn´t this lens rumored a year ago or so (well not the FAJ version)? An FAJ super wide Zoom?! I guess if it's cheap it'll be good for sales, but a FA* 18-35/2.8 would be nice. 4. A new limited lens next fall. Don´t know anything else, but I´m pretty sure it ain´t a FAJ :) Is the pool back on? tv
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Thanks for the news, Matti. 1.) A competitively priced DSLR based on the *ist sound good to me - I do not have that much money to spend 2.) I am happy that my K and M lenses still will be supported 3.) The news on a FAJ 18-35 is not so good - maybe it does not even cover the full frame? Well, I do not like zooms much, anyway 4.) A new Limited lens is the best of all this news Arnold
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Bruce, don't you know? Scandinavia is Pentax's select focus group. Besides, my wife, 100% Scandinavian heritage, says the most beautiful women in the world are Scandinavian! Now what in the h_ll that has to do with anything I don't know. DG At 11:13 AM 2/21/03 -0500, you wrote: What is it about Scandinavia that makes it the hotbed of Pentax news? And their attraction to Pentax? BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I talked with a guy who had held both the *ist and it's digital prototype in his hands. I´m confident he knew what he was talking about. I didn´t as very specific things so as Pål says, disclaimers apply :) 1. Yes, the DSLR *ist is coming. It will probably be introduced at PMA or Cebit. I got the impression that the DSRL basicly looks like an *ist with a BG-20 on it. 6 megapixels, APS sized sensor, aggressive pricing, released sometime in the summer. 2. He told me that both cameras (DSLR and *ist) are fully compatible with K/M -lenses. For me, seeing is believing... 3. FAJ 18-35mm along with the DSLR. Don´t know the aperature range. Wasn´t this lens rumored a year ago or so (well not the FAJ version)? 4. A new limited lens next fall. Don´t know anything else, but I´m pretty sure it ain´t a FAJ :) If all this information is valid then this FAJ thing is getting interesting... -Matti Eteläperä
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2. He told me that both cameras (DSLR and *ist) are fully compatible with K/M -lenses. For me, seeing is believing... Woo hoo, bet they will still argue like carzy over this statement though... What? Argue? Here on the PDML? ;-) I think that the PDML server must be located in Missoura - g. Fred
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Nothing, and that's why it's on the PDML. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, my wife, 100% Scandinavian heritage, says the most beautiful women in the world are Scandinavian! Now what in the h_ll that has to do with anything I don't know.
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Well, the midnight-sun, the nordic sceneries, the rational minds, the enlightened social systems, and the affinity with the Japanese! ;-) What is it about Scandinavia that makes it the hotbed of Pentax news? And their attraction to Pentax? BR Peter Smekal Uppsala, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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