Re: OT: possibly politics
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 6:22 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 2/8/19, Stanley Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> So, Cynical, Mike, and Cotty - am I correct to assume that the borders >> will still be open when I travel there on 4 October this year? (Via >> train from Paris.) > > You're coming over in October? Cool. How long for? Where yer headin? > >> And how about next year? Next May we are coming in via Southampton. Any >> crystal ball readings on whether we can get across to mainland Europe >> without detention at the border? > > I think there's every chance that Brexit could be cancelled completely. Watch > this space over the next couple of months > > — Definitely watching, with optimism for a good outcome all around. We are on the train from Paris 4 October, arriving late morning. Somehow, yet to be determined, we make our way to LHR vicinity to pick up a rental car, drive to Shaftsbury where we’ll be staying at the same B&B we used last time. Sat-Sun-Mon 5-7 Oct we’ll be in that region spending probably half a day with Meg’s father’s cousin’s widow who lives nearby in Gillingham. Details TBD. Monday afternoon we’ll drive back to LHR vicinity, drop off the rental car, stay overnight in a hotel TBD, mid-day departure back to the States on Tuesday. Still working on what to do when next spring. We arrive via ship in Southampton early Friday May 1st. Thinking of getting a car, heading to Devon/Cornwall for a few days, returning to the States 6-7 May. But all of that is still very open. We’ll be with another couple on the ship, I believe their intention is to heading London for a few days so we might just wish them well, we might head that direction ourselves, or we might go with them for the weekend, then out to the country for a few days. Meg’s father was born in Cornwall so that is the attraction there, but I have had only a brief exposure to the Lakes District and might argue for that. As I say, many details to be worked out! stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:10 AM John wrote: > Yeah, and if *I* had posted it, I'd be shouted down for introducing > politics. > Why should there be one rule for me and a different one for you? Snowflake. > > > > > On 8/2/2019 20:26:33, William Robb wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John wrote: > > > >> Yup. Definitely politics. > >> > > > > Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage > > negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a > > fair and impartial legal system. > > > > It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea. > > > > bill > > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On 3/8/19, John, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yeah, and if *I* had posted it, I'd be shouted down for introducing politics. >Why should there be one rule for me and a different one for you? Quit yer gripin and siddown!! ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
John, no one is arguing one side of the political divide or the other. The comments are directed simply to a rather unusual and perhaps comic situation that is underway right now. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:10 AM John wrote: > Yeah, and if *I* had posted it, I'd be shouted down for introducing > politics. > Why should there be one rule for me and a different one for you? > > > > On 8/2/2019 20:26:33, William Robb wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John wrote: > > > >> Yup. Definitely politics. > >> > > > > Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage > > negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a > > fair and impartial legal system. > > > > It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea. > > > > bill > > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On 8/3/2019 03:06:58, mike wilson wrote: Nobody knows, even though most people have an opinion. That is. of course, only one step above everyone having a bunghole. Are you sure it's "above"? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
Yeah, and if *I* had posted it, I'd be shouted down for introducing politics. Why should there be one rule for me and a different one for you? On 8/2/2019 20:26:33, William Robb wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John wrote: Yup. Definitely politics. Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a fair and impartial legal system. It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea. bill -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
I hope you are right, Coty! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 6:23 AM Steve Cottrell wrote: > I think there's every chance that Brexit could be cancelled completely. > Watch this space over the next couple of months > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On 2/8/19, Stanley Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: >So, Cynical, Mike, and Cotty - am I correct to assume that the borders >will still be open when I travel there on 4 October this year? (Via >train from Paris.) You're coming over in October? Cool. How long for? Where yer headin? >And how about next year? Next May we are coming in via Southampton. Any >crystal ball readings on whether we can get across to mainland Europe >without detention at the border? I think there's every chance that Brexit could be cancelled completely. Watch this space over the next couple of months -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/8/19, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >I don't think he will be PM long enough. The guy is >a walking dung heap. You're not being very polite to dung heaps. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>> Ok, I’ll call you Cynical. >> So, Cynical, Mike, and Cotty - am I correct to assume that the borders will >> still be open when I travel there on 4 October this year? (Via train from >> Paris.) >> >> And how about next year? Next May we are coming in via Southampton. Any >> crystal ball readings on whether we can get across to mainland Europe >> without detention at the border? >> >> stan > > Nobody knows, even though most people have an opinion. That is. of course, > only one step above everyone having a bunghole. > I have more than one. Opinion, that is. 4 October this year won't be a problem as we're not due to close down until 31 October. I don't think next year will be a problem either as by then we will have become one of the United States Minor Outlying Islands, so you won't even need a passport. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
> On 02 August 2019 at 22:05 Stanley Halpin wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Bob Pdml wrote: > > > >> > >> On 2 Aug 2019, at 18:53, Steve Cottrell wrote: > >> > >> On 2/8/19, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> > >>> I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. > >> > >> Not so fast buster. > >> > >> It could be all change shortly - Bonkers Boris could be one of the > >> shortest incumbent PMs in history. I would lay money down we will be > >> having a general election within 3 months, with Brexit on hold - possibly > >> even cancelled depending on the outcome. > >> > >> Boris is making all the sounds of heading to a no deal Brexit. Parliament > >> will not allow it - he will get voted down, leading to a vote of no > >> confidence and triggering an election. Even if he suspends parliament to > >> try and force it through, he will still haver to go see the Queen to have > >> it given Royal Ascent - which, without a rubber stamp from parliament, she > >> will not do. Catch-22. > >> > >> There are plenty of outcomes still available - a lot still to play for > >> here! > >> > > > > Call me cynical... > > > > https://youtu.be/WX_96uKZ7yQ > > > > Ok, I’ll call you Cynical. > So, Cynical, Mike, and Cotty - am I correct to assume that the borders will > still be open when I travel there on 4 October this year? (Via train from > Paris.) > > And how about next year? Next May we are coming in via Southampton. Any > crystal ball readings on whether we can get across to mainland Europe without > detention at the border? > > stan Nobody knows, even though most people have an opinion. That is. of course, only one step above everyone having a bunghole. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On 8/2/2019 8:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Sweden is a democracy. One of the few remaining. Will Boris be the last PM of the UK, the first PM of England, or possibly both? My guess is neither. I don't think he will be PM long enough. The guy is a walking dung heap. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sweden is a democracy. One of the few remaining. Will Boris be the last PM of the UK, the first PM of England, or possibly both? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:27 PM William Robb wrote: > > It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John wrote: > Yup. Definitely politics. > Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a fair and impartial legal system. It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea. bill > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yup. Definitely politics. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Bob Pdml wrote: > >> >> On 2 Aug 2019, at 18:53, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> >> On 2/8/19, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. >> >> Not so fast buster. >> >> It could be all change shortly - Bonkers Boris could be one of the shortest >> incumbent PMs in history. I would lay money down we will be having a general >> election within 3 months, with Brexit on hold - possibly even cancelled >> depending on the outcome. >> >> Boris is making all the sounds of heading to a no deal Brexit. Parliament >> will not allow it - he will get voted down, leading to a vote of no >> confidence and triggering an election. Even if he suspends parliament to try >> and force it through, he will still haver to go see the Queen to have it >> given Royal Ascent - which, without a rubber stamp from parliament, she will >> not do. Catch-22. >> >> There are plenty of outcomes still available - a lot still to play for here! >> > > Call me cynical... > > https://youtu.be/WX_96uKZ7yQ > Ok, I’ll call you Cynical. So, Cynical, Mike, and Cotty - am I correct to assume that the borders will still be open when I travel there on 4 October this year? (Via train from Paris.) And how about next year? Next May we are coming in via Southampton. Any crystal ball readings on whether we can get across to mainland Europe without detention at the border? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 02.08.19 um 19:53 schrieb Steve Cottrell: It could be all change shortly - Bonkers Boris could be one of the shortest incumbent PMs in history. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/02/boris-johnson-warned-he-could-lose-control-of-parliament Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 02.08.19 um 21:18 schrieb P. J. Alling: If you're counting Macron has serious Autocratic tendencies as well, he's just kind of a mamma's boy about it. Not to forget that he has a comfortable majority in parliament and far more power than the US president and the British PM. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you're counting Macron has serious Autocratic tendencies as well, he's just kind of a mamma's boy about it. On 8/2/2019 3:08 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 02.08.19 um 19:42 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola: American foreign policy under the current administration defies logic. I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Welcome to the club. I find it quite alarming that 4 of the 5 permanent members of the UN security council are now ruled by autocrats or mad egomaniacs. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 02.08.19 um 19:42 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola: American foreign policy under the current administration defies logic. I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Welcome to the club. I find it quite alarming that 4 of the 5 permanent members of the UN security council are now ruled by autocrats or mad egomaniacs. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The circumstances of the "Assault" are bizarre from any standpoint. There's video evidence being ignored by the Swedish state that the "Victim" actually is the perpetrator. It is unusual for the Federal Government to actually get involved in such a case, but, I feel better about the fact that the U.S. might actually care about the fate of one of it's citizens. On 8/2/2019 1:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: American foreign policy under the current administration defies logic. I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Welcome to the club. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:23 PM William Robb wrote: Why is there a US hostage negotiator in Sweden watching an assault trial? Has Sweden suddenly turned into a terrorist state? Curious bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: possibly politics
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 18:53, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 2/8/19, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. > > Not so fast buster. > > It could be all change shortly - Bonkers Boris could be one of the shortest > incumbent PMs in history. I would lay money down we will be having a general > election within 3 months, with Brexit on hold - possibly even cancelled > depending on the outcome. > > Boris is making all the sounds of heading to a no deal Brexit. Parliament > will not allow it - he will get voted down, leading to a vote of no > confidence and triggering an election. Even if he suspends parliament to try > and force it through, he will still haver to go see the Queen to have it > given Royal Ascent - which, without a rubber stamp from parliament, she will > not do. Catch-22. > > There are plenty of outcomes still available - a lot still to play for here! > Call me cynical... https://youtu.be/WX_96uKZ7yQ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 02 August 2019 at 18:42 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > > > American foreign policy under the current administration defies logic. > > I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Not for long. Even with the ~10 Northern Ireland MPs propping him up, PM Big Job has only one defection or other loss between now and a minority government. This might be a record short term. > > Welcome to the club. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:23 PM William Robb > wrote: > > > Why is there a US hostage negotiator in Sweden watching an assault trial? > > Has Sweden suddenly turned into a terrorist state? > > > > Curious > > > > bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/8/19, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: >I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Not so fast buster. It could be all change shortly - Bonkers Boris could be one of the shortest incumbent PMs in history. I would lay money down we will be having a general election within 3 months, with Brexit on hold - possibly even cancelled depending on the outcome. Boris is making all the sounds of heading to a no deal Brexit. Parliament will not allow it - he will get voted down, leading to a vote of no confidence and triggering an election. Even if he suspends parliament to try and force it through, he will still haver to go see the Queen to have it given Royal Ascent - which, without a rubber stamp from parliament, she will not do. Catch-22. There are plenty of outcomes still available - a lot still to play for here! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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American foreign policy under the current administration defies logic. I fear the UK will now find itself in a similar situation. Welcome to the club. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 1:23 PM William Robb wrote: > Why is there a US hostage negotiator in Sweden watching an assault trial? > Has Sweden suddenly turned into a terrorist state? > > Curious > > bill > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why is there a US hostage negotiator in Sweden watching an assault trial? Has Sweden suddenly turned into a terrorist state? Curious bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
