Re: OT u4/3
On Nov 23, 2020, at 4:55 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 23/11/20, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> One last bit, if you decide to own any of these cameras, please buy at >> least 1 spare battery, though from my memories of our taking pictures >> together, you would be better off buying 3 spare batteries. They are really >> cheap and off brand batteries are not too bad. I have one Olympus spare and >> two off brand ones (Wasabi power) - all is good. > > > Agreed. I have 3 batteries in total. Yes. I have three batteries each for every one of my digital cameras. I number the batteries and use them in sequence. For the shooting I do, three batteries means I can always have one in the camera, a fresh spare in the bag, and the third on the charger as needed. I have only rarely needed more than a single battery for any day's shooting, but it's always good to have an option. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT u4/3
On 23/11/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >For the shooting I do, three batteries means I can always have one in >the camera, a fresh spare in the bag, and the third on the charger as >needed. I have only rarely needed more than a single battery for any >day's shooting, but it's always good to have an option. Great minds. -- Cheers Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 23 November 2020 at 06:44 Boris Liberman wrote: > One last bit, if you decide to own any of these cameras, please buy at > least 1 spare battery, though from my memories of our taking pictures > together, you would be better off buying 3 spare batteries. I know you're probably already all over this but Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT u4/3
On 23/11/20, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: >One last bit, if you decide to own any of these cameras, please buy at >least 1 spare battery, though from my memories of our taking pictures >together, you would be better off buying 3 spare batteries. They are really >cheap and off brand batteries are not too bad. I have one Olympus spare and >two off brand ones (Wasabi power) - all is good. Agreed. I have 3 batteries in total. -- Cheers Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Nov 22, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > > Larry, you seem to have forgotten. > > When we met, earlier this year, I had my OM-D EM1 on me. I think I have it I remembered you shooting u43 I didn’t remember which model. > for like 5 or 6 years now. It is a good camera, has all the controls and > looks like a small DSLR. These you can find really cheap these days. You It looks like an em1mk1 or an em5 mk2 go for about $300 used. I also chatted with another friend who shoots u43 who has an em1 and an em5 and he says he mostly uses his em5 mk2 because it’s the best balance of features, performance and size > > One last bit, if you decide to own any of these cameras, please buy at > least 1 spare battery, though from my memories of our taking pictures > together, you would be better off buying 3 spare batteries. They are really > cheap and off brand batteries are not too bad. I have one Olympus spare and > two off brand ones (Wasabi power) - all is good. Yes, I’m very big on having multiple spare batteries. So, at the moment there are only 300-350 reasons I haven’t bought one yet. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT u4/3
Larry, you seem to have forgotten. When we met, earlier this year, I had my OM-D EM1 on me. I think I have it for like 5 or 6 years now. It is a good camera, has all the controls and looks like a small DSLR. These you can find really cheap these days. You can also look for EM1 mk2 - it is a bit bigger and improves in a number of areas over my EM1. Most current is EM1 mk3, which is the flagship of the Olympus range. I used some Panasonic cameras briefly, and I quite liked them, but because it was brief, I couldn't suggest them - don't have enough information. Compared to cameras with bigger sensors, both older (16 MP EM1) and modern (20MP EM1 mk2/mk3) cameras will exhibit some noise, even at base ISO. Nothing deal breaking, but it is there. In terms of ergonomics - they are very convenient (I did not need too much time at all to get used to my camera) but different from what Pentax offers (at least as much as I remember from the original K5). There are second tier cameras - EM5, EM5 mk2 and EM5 mk3. They are smaller, lighter, but still look like smaller still DSLRs. Most modern EM5 mk3 is very close in function to EM1 mk2, albeit with some differences caused by the smaller form factor. Did not try these, but they're probably cheaper. One last bit, if you decide to own any of these cameras, please buy at least 1 spare battery, though from my memories of our taking pictures together, you would be better off buying 3 spare batteries. They are really cheap and off brand batteries are not too bad. I have one Olympus spare and two off brand ones (Wasabi power) - all is good. Boris On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:34 AM Larry Colen wrote: > Today the friend I had loaned my u4/3 camera to returned it. There are a > lot of things to like about micro 4/3, but using that camera is pretty > miserable. It’s an oly E PL1, doesn’t have a viewfinder and trying to make > adjustments on it is terribly awkward. However, I can see a lot of > advantages to u43 over even my K3 when I’m going for a bike ride. > > I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 systems > I’m curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles like a > real camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it would be > something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. It’s not that I > have the money for one, but it’s generally better to start looking sooner > rather than later. > > My impression is that the OMDs are some of the nicer ones to use. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have two mFT cameras at present: the Olympus E-M1 (purchased in 2013, just when it came out) and the Panasonic GX9 (purchased a couple of months ago). I had an E-PL1 in the past, a cheapo that I got from Ebay at under $75, but it eventually locked up the IBIS and wasn't worth repairing. I wanted a camera that was small and light for my cycling, and that was reasonably inexpensive in case I dropped the bike or otherwise lost my pack. The GX9 fit the bill: nice size, nice controls, great features, and I found one offered on Ebay for $500 or so. I had both Olympus Body Cap Lenses (15/8 and 9/8 Fisheye) already, as well as the Lumix 14/2.8 along with its wide converter. The controls are pretty easy to work with, the IBIS is excellent, the sensor is very very good. The EVF is "good" (not quite as good as the Leica CL) and has a tilting feature to allow easy low angle shooting or copy stand shooting. The LCD is a good size and also swivels in the vertical direction. The top deck includes a discrete mode selector, EV Compensation selector, and both thumb and index finger dials that allow discrete operation of shutter and aperture control. The whole package with the OBCL 15mm is very trim and light. GX9 with two body cap lenses: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50428294896_388818a40b_b.jpg Still life with OBCL 15mm: https://flic.kr/p/2k1dfkw Fitted with the Summilux-DG 25mm f/1.4 ASPH (another Ebay acquisition at <$400), superb image quality and fast speed net lots of DoF control and very fast operation. GX9 next to Leica CL, both with Summilux normal lenses (a 1972 'Lux 35 on the CL): https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50598493478_4aa4635881_b.jpg Three quickie snaps with the Summilux-DG 25 ... Persimmons: https://flic.kr/p/2k67mTd Panic Button: https://flic.kr/p/2k8xTuL Morning Espresso: https://flic.kr/p/2k8xTuk (The huge lens hood on the Summilux-DG makes a little bulky, but is mostly unnecessary. I keep it on most of the time, though, as it helps protect the lens from my clumsiness.) Given that you can find the GX9 (or the previous GX85 model) for between $300 and $500 on Ebay, and Olympus body cap lens 15mm for between $60 and $140 (used or new) as well, it's a very approachable and modestly priced camera that produces excellent results. It has pretty easy to get along with controls and ergonomics too, much better than the E-PL1's push button control interface. (Oh yes, and never mind that you can adapt other lenses to it.) And it fits very nicely with cycling for size and weight. G > On Nov 21, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Today the friend I had loaned my u4/3 camera to returned it. There are a lot > of things to like about micro 4/3, but using that camera is pretty miserable. > It’s an oly E PL1, doesn’t have a viewfinder and trying to make adjustments > on it is terribly awkward. However, I can see a lot of advantages to u43 > over even my K3 when I’m going for a bike ride. > > I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 systems > I’m curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles like a real > camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it would be > something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. It’s not that I > have the money for one, but it’s generally better to start looking sooner > rather than later. > > My impression is that the OMDs are some of the nicer ones to use. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT u4/3
I have two OMDs - the original E-M10 and the EM-5II. I like them a lot, so much so that I rarely fire up my K-5 any more. The EM-10, despite being about 6 years old is still my favourite of the two because of its compact size & light weight. It loses very little in comparison with the 5. The 10 series has moved on to the Mk 4 now but they all still retain the compact size & weight. The Mk 4 has a 20MP sensor - the earlier ones have a 16MP sensor. Combined with the little 14-42mm EZ zoom, the 10 series are the ideal travel cameras in my opinion, although they aren't weather sealed (unlike the EM-5 series). If you can pick up a good used Mk2 (probably the best of the series), it shouldn't set you back more than a few 100 dollars. Cheers Brian On 22 November 2020 at 13:33 Larry Colen wrote: > > > Today the friend I had loaned my u4/3 camera to returned it. There are a lot > of things to like about micro 4/3, but using that camera is pretty miserable. > It’s an oly E PL1, doesn’t have a viewfinder and trying to make adjustments > on it is terribly awkward. However, I can see a lot of advantages to u43 over > even my K3 when I’m going for a bike ride. > > I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 systems I’m > curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles like a real > camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it would be > something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. It’s not that I > have the money for one, but it’s generally better to start looking sooner > rather than later. > > My impression is that the OMDs are some of the nicer ones to use. > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT u4/3
On 21/11/20, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 >systems I'm curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles >like a real camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it >would be something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. >It's not that I have the money for one, but it's generally better to >start looking sooner rather than later. I have the Pen F and love it. Haven't had any camera-envy whatsoever since owning it. Matched with a lens like the Voigtlander 15/4.5 it's pretty compact and will fit in my coat pocket. Available used. -- Cheers Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22 Nov 2020, at 02:34, Larry Colen wrote: > > […] > I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 systems > I’m curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles like a real > camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it would be > something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. It’s not that I > have the money for one, but it’s generally better to start looking sooner > rather than later. > > My impression is that the OMDs are some of the nicer ones to use. I have an OMD E-M1 MkII and several lenses. The whole system is very good indeed and I like the cameras and lenses a lot. I haven’t taken the E-M1 on a multi-day bike tour yet, but I did make my E3 (4/3rds but not micro 4/3rds) on a couple of trips to France a few years ago in a Domke F5 strapped to the handlebars. That worked quite well but the camera and lens were a bit bulky, and the bag is not meant to be strapped to a bike and I wore a hole in it. I’ve been carrying the E-M1 on day trips in a Crumpler insert inside a proper handlebar bag (https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/gilles-berthoud-handlebar-bag-gb905-black-53-litre/) which also fits other bits and pieces such as my wallet, phone, glasses, map and compass, sandwich and so on. This works well. This set-up will take the body and my 12-40/2.8 lens, but that combo is quite bulky so I bought a pancake zoom (https://www.olympus.co.uk/site/en/c/lenses/om_d_pen_lenses/m_zuiko/m_zuiko_digital_14_42mm_13556_ez/index.html), which is not too bad for on-the-bike use, but on a long multi-day trip I’d pack a proper lens as well. To reduce bulk further, and to get to your question, I’ve been thinking of getting one of the less SLR-like bodies and the choice seems to me to between the rangefinder-like Olympus Pen-F and the Panasonic GX8 or GX9, which all have viewfinders rather just squint at the screen on the back. However, the Pen-F is discontinued and still rather pricey; the others are also quite pricey, even used, so I’m not sure I want to go there now that I’ve stopped working. If I pursue this idea of bulking down I might look at something else altogether. I have used my Fuji X20 a lot, but the viewfinder is too small and picture quality could be better; it has also found its way apparently irretrievably into somebody’s handbag. But something small, robust with a decent VF, good picture quality, manual settings, RAW, and a zoom range of about 25-100mm 35mm-equivalent would be a winner. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT u4/3
Today the friend I had loaned my u4/3 camera to returned it. There are a lot of things to like about micro 4/3, but using that camera is pretty miserable. It’s an oly E PL1, doesn’t have a viewfinder and trying to make adjustments on it is terribly awkward. However, I can see a lot of advantages to u43 over even my K3 when I’m going for a bike ride. I know that there are a few folks on this list that also have u4/3 systems I’m curious about the most cost effective u4/3 body that handles like a real camera, and how much it would set me back. I expect that it would be something used to keep an eye out for in the usual places. It’s not that I have the money for one, but it’s generally better to start looking sooner rather than later. My impression is that the OMDs are some of the nicer ones to use. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
