Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 18/4/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: have a look in the manual, Frank, see if you can find anything about 2nd-curtain sync. Good point from Bob. I did some second curtain stuff with my lad ages ago on this page here: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html I think this would be right up your alley, Frank. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
frank theriault wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank not for me, kiddo if you really need the flash to get enough light shoot as fast as possible and as wide open as possible, then the flash will not be so obvious... xo, ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Frank, I think you overdid it at least by a full stop or may be even more. No, it does not work for me. Sorry. Boris frank theriault wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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LMAO Hi Frank, no, it doesn't work, but getting the hang of flash is sometimes difficult with new gear. Why am I laughing? Well, it's not at you or the pic, but for the longest time I've contended that since the advent of the popularity of digital many photogs who were shooting documentary or street photos all of a sudden starting showing flower and macro pics. So many have told me that there's no difference between what subjects they shot with film and the work that they are currently doing with digital, yet looking at their body of work I saw a greater frequency of cute photos and flower pics. Welcome to the club ... you're a real, official digi-head now. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
Looks to artifical to me.:-) Maybe a tad to bright Frank. Not washed out but over bearing abit. Not sure how to say it. Dave On 4/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 4/18/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, it's not at you or the pic, but for the longest time I've contended that since the advent of the popularity of digital many photogs who were shooting documentary or street photos all of a sudden starting showing flower and macro pics. snip It's not that I've started shooting flowers, but I was in a coffeeshop, and where I wouldn't have wasted film on those flowers, it cost me nothing to point and shoot at something that I could see from my seat. The real subject of that particular coffeeshop visit is my next PAW, that I'll post in about two minutes. Maybe you'll like that one a bit better? ;-) cheers, frank, suddenly the experimenter -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Regardless of the rationale Frank, you've shot and posted a flower pic. I've done it as well since I started shooting digital. I'm not making a critical judgement, just an observation - and people are doing it because it's so easy to do, and because flowers may be nice to photograph, and because they have nice colors, and perhaps because the digi works in color rather than BW. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault It's not that I've started shooting flowers, but I was in a coffeeshop, and where I wouldn't have wasted film on those flowers, it cost me nothing to point and shoot at something that I could see from my seat. The real subject of that particular coffeeshop visit is my next PAW, that I'll post in about two minutes. Maybe you'll like that one a bit better? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/18/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks to artifical to me.:-) Maybe a tad to bright Frank. Not washed out but over bearing abit. Not sure how to say it. It certainly does look artificial. That's kind of what intrigued me about it. In any event, I'm glad that I took the other one while I was there (Sipping Tea). I guess people are my forte. ;-) Thanks for commenting, Dave. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Frank - you spend way too much time in Coffeehouses... Norm frank theriault wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
In a message dated 4/18/2007 10:32:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank = Not. Too much flash. Since I have never used the onboard flash on the DS, can't help you with how to do it better. Helpful as always, Marnie aka Doe ;-) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/18/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank - you spend way too much time in Coffeehouses... ...And not enough time in bars? ;-) -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 4/18/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knarf, I'm by no means an expert on the use of flash, but I can tell you the light is too harsh. Some sort of diffuser would help. I don't really want or need to learn how to do it. I just snapped the flowers and thought the resulting look was something interesting. Apparently, no one else thinks so. ;-) I'll just stick with what I know best... Thanks to everyone who's commented. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
not really... it looks about the same as what I have achieved with flowers (or anything else :) and on-board flash. Therefore I moved to shoe/handle mount flash, which as Shel already mentioned, is difficult to get the hang of. I have yet to post any picture where I used flash because every attempt I have made has ended in utter catastrophe! So good luck :) Russ (whose pictures are also blurry, but not intentionally) On 4/18/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Legacy Air, Inc. 11900 Airport Way Broomfield Colorado 80021 (303) 404-0277 fax (303) 404-0280 www.legacy-air.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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A bit stark and flat. Over exposed appearance. Does the D on-board flash provide TTL? Not a flash issue, but the background is somewhat distracting. Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
Knarf, I'm by no means an expert on the use of flash, but I can tell you the light is too harsh. Some sort of diffuser would help. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'll just stick with what I know best... Besides, flash makes it hard to blur. VBG Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers On 4/18/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knarf, I'm by no means an expert on the use of flash, but I can tell you the light is too harsh. Some sort of diffuser would help. I don't really want or need to learn how to do it. I just snapped the flowers and thought the resulting look was something interesting. Apparently, no one else thinks so. ;-) I'll just stick with what I know best... Thanks to everyone who's commented. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 4/18/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, flash makes it hard to blur. VBG Throwing down the gauntlet are we? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 4/18/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll just stick with what I know best... Besides, flash makes it hard to blur. VBG MARK. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers On 4/18/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knarf, I'm by no means an expert on the use of flash, but I can tell you the light is too harsh. Some sort of diffuser would help. I don't really want or need to learn how to do it. I just snapped the flowers and thought the resulting look was something interesting. Apparently, no one else thinks so. ;-) I'll just stick with what I know best... Thanks to everyone who's commented. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Frank, it doesn't work. Too much flash light on the flowers. I'm not an aficionado on any subject, other than maybe procrastination, but these are my personal rules for on-board flash. They were developed, more or less, since getting a DSLR. 1. If the on-board flash is the primary source of light, it's probably gonna suck. 2. If the photograph looks as though I used the on-board flash, it probably sucks. 3. Move back. Zoom or change lenses to retain framing. 4. Reduce the power output of the flash. 5. ? 6. Profit! Or something. HTH. Better yet, I hope someone else has better advice for you. g -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com/ -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 18/4/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. Not. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/18/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not. A consensus seems to be building... g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
there's a lot of truth in what you say. Although I don't think I've tumbled quite so far as to do flower pics, I have photographed a lot of things with digital that I wouldn't have bothered about with film, and had some results I've been pleased with even though they're not really my kind of thing really. I think the explanation is that the marginal cost of digital photography is much lower than that for film photography. -- Bob LMAO Hi Frank, no, it doesn't work, but getting the hang of flash is sometimes difficult with new gear. Why am I laughing? Well, it's not at you or the pic, but for the longest time I've contended that since the advent of the popularity of digital many photogs who were shooting documentary or street photos all of a sudden starting showing flower and macro pics. So many have told me that there's no difference between what subjects they shot with film and the work that they are currently doing with digital, yet looking at their body of work I saw a greater frequency of cute photos and flower pics. Welcome to the club ... you're a real, official digi-head now. Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
Besides, flash makes it hard to blur. VBG Throwing down the gauntlet are we? ;-) cheers, frank have a look in the manual, Frank, see if you can find anything about 2nd-curtain sync. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
On 4/18/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have a look in the manual, Frank, see if you can find anything about 2nd-curtain sync. I checked - it doesn't work with the pop-up flash, and my Big Flash isn't one of those all-singing all-dancing Pentax auto-wonders, so it won't work. I'll figure something out, though. ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a bit over exposed. The flash overpowered the flowers in the forground and the ambient light seems to have completely blown out the background. Unless you were trying for something like that. frank theriault wrote: I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
frank theriault wrote: On 4/18/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a tad to bright Frank. Not washed out but over bearing abit. It certainly does look artificial. That's kind of what intrigued me about it. Needs about -1, -1.5, -2 flash Ev compensation to balance the flash with the brightness of the window in the background. As it is, it seems like the photographer or camera was glowing white hot to illuminate the vase, while the only apparent source of light is behind the vase. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers
Slightly over-lit, in my opinion, Frank. I tend to dial in at least half a stop underexposure when using the RTF on the *ist-D John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net; PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:31 AM Subject: PAW - Coffeehouse Flowers I still don't really know how to do this stuff, but I was experimenting a bit with the on-board flash of the *istD. Work or not? http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5865680 Comments are always appreciated. thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
