Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Frank, I reckon that sometimes the beauty of the captured moment gets overshadowed by technical nitpicking. I should tell you that if you did not write all the story quoted below and just shown a picture, I wouldn't have thought about this at all. It is simply very good picture and frankly, I could care less about the amount of noise reduction you applied or specifics of b/w conversion that you used. Sorry, if this is the answer that you did not expect. Boris frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
I'm fairly certain it will happen in Foveon sensors as well, any digital recording device with a grid pattern in fact. The best way to avoid it is to not over expose especially at high ISO values. John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling Banding can be a problem with all DSLRs, it usually shows up at higher ISOs. (What a higher ISO is depends on the sensor chip). frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: No idea about the mysterious lines, but I love the photo! I wouldn't worry about noise reduction; the noise adds to this shot, IMO. Sort of a Bob Capa covers the rave scene feel to it :) Is banding inherent to the Bayer pattern sensors; something to do with the algorithm necessary to fill in the blanks? I wonder if the Foveon sensors Sigma uses have the same problem with banding at high ISOs? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
In a message dated 11/26/2008 8:17:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank == Captures the mood, but pretty noisy. I suspect those are due to high ISO. Marnie aka Doe :-) I tend to keep my ISO set at 200, most of the time. It covers most bases. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:16, frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? My first thought is: ISO 3200, slightly underexposed (perhaps)... when you jack the levels up it brings out the subtle noise and such which is present on the sensor when you push it to those extremes. I had occasional noise issues like that with the DS - and I seem to recall that there was an issue with the DS (can't speak for the D) especially when shooting in fast multi-frame mode and in high ISO settings where that horizontal banding would pop up from time to time. I doubt it's the card or the computer - it's probably whatever came from your sensor (unfortunately). It's a fun picture, in a grainy, grotty, peek-in-the-dark sort of way! The noise doesn't bother me, and actually I think it helps the image (except for that horizontal stripy stuff). -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2008 8:17:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html == Captures the mood, but pretty noisy. I suspect those are due to high ISO. Marnie aka Doe :-) I tend to keep my ISO set at 200, most of the time. It covers most bases. Marnie - 1/13 of a second at ISO 3200 comes out to... about 1 second at ISO 200. I don't think he could have gotten the shot that way! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Frank, I think I see the line, but it is in the fellows hair, not in her eye. It almost looks like either a row of pixels got dropped or maybe misalaigned. John Graves WA1JG frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Marnie, Is this the end of self-censorship? John Graves WA1JG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Captures the mood, but pretty noisy. I suspect those are due to high ISO. Marnie aka Doe :-) I tend to keep my ISO set at 200, most of the time. It covers most bases. Hey, Marnie, Thanks for the comment. You likely don't know this because you've been away for a while, but my computer's been down for a while (needs a new hard drive and I can't afford a new one right now). My computer has Photoshop, but neither my work computer nor my partner's computer have that, so I've been relegated to processing my pix at work with FS Image Viewer. It really doesn't allow much to be done - certainly no noise reduction. In PS I'd have certainly been able to reduce the noise a fair bit - and the resulting loss of detail wouldn't have hurt the photo at all. So once I get my 'puter up and running and re-loaded with PS, I'll have this thing rendered so it looks much better. I think I have the seed of a decent photo here, but clearly more needs to be done. As much as anything else I posted it to get opinions as to the horizontal striping on this, to see if it's something I can avoid in the future (it appears not). As for ISO 200 - I think it would have been a bit slow for that dark dance floor! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
It's a gorgeous shot in spite of the noise. Grain and noise don't bother me, but I would clone the line out. I think the line is just a function of all the noise. It was probably a single color before conversion. Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:16 AM, frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
ah hes baacck! I like the noise for this kind of shot.. I'd jsut crop it a bit to get out that one white thingy top left I agere with Marnie about the other one you posted -- it made me uncomfortable. ann frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? No idea about the mysterious lines, but I love the photo! I wouldn't worry about noise reduction; the noise adds to this shot, IMO. Sort of a Bob Capa covers the rave scene feel to it :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
The scratch is caused by the processor rollers being dirty. Oh, errr..., sorry, wrong century :-) Looks like it will be great when you finally get a chance to do some levels and noise reduction tweaks.. Walt On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:16 AM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: No idea about the mysterious lines, but I love the photo! I wouldn't worry about noise reduction; the noise adds to this shot, IMO. Sort of a Bob Capa covers the rave scene feel to it :) Merlin Who responded in another thread when I think he meant to respond to this thread. Looks like it's called banding and it seems a problem with some Pentax DSLRs: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page22.asp Thanks for the comment on the shot itself. It was taken at my (so far) one and only wedding. They said they wanted a PJ look, and they got it! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
On Nov 26, 2008, at 8:16 AM, frank theriault wrote: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I like it just the way it is. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? They appear to be, in part, JPEG artifacts that come and go due to aliasing at different on-screen scalings. You can generally minimize these sorts of artifacts by using less compression when outputting your JPEG files. They also appear in underexposed digital captures due to how the sensor records edge conditions near the noise floor of its operation. Underexposure is always to be avoided with digital capture in order to obtain the best quality. If I'm working at the noise floor limits of the sensor, I add some randomized noise to the image and then soften it to minimize/eliminate these kinds of regular patterning. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Nice photo with plenty of emotion and mood, Frank. Very old Tri-X look. Which would explain the scatches on the film. Clean your film gate, blow the whole thing out and spray with WD-40. :-) My first thought was she was telling him to get the hell off her foot, but I suppose that is close to love - smiling and in pain at the same time. Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 26, 2008, at 08:16 , frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. That's not love, that's cannibalism. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? it might be the cheapy conversion program you've been using. Have you seen it shots you processed before you started with this cheap thing? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Banding can be a problem with all DSLRs, it usually shows up at higher ISOs. (What a higher ISO is depends on the sensor chip). frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: No idea about the mysterious lines, but I love the photo! I wouldn't worry about noise reduction; the noise adds to this shot, IMO. Sort of a Bob Capa covers the rave scene feel to it :) Merlin Who responded in another thread when I think he meant to respond to this thread. Looks like it's called banding and it seems a problem with some Pentax DSLRs: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page22.asp Thanks for the comment on the shot itself. It was taken at my (so far) one and only wedding. They said they wanted a PJ look, and they got it! ;-) cheers, frank -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
Ditto what Paul said. Nice one Frank. Really, really nice. I do see a line going through the lady's eye and some shorter lines just above the guy's ear. I bet just a tweeky-weeky will fix that. Really great angle composition here. Very festive expression on the woman's face as well. Lots of fun in this shot, Frank. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: PN Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor It's a gorgeous shot in spite of the noise. Grain and noise don't bother me, but I would clone the line out. I think the line is just a function of all the noise. It was probably a single color before conversion. Paul On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:16 AM, frank theriault wrote: Someone recently complained that my PESOs have been too sharp lately. http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/love-on-dancefloor.html Okay, but seriously, I'm happy with this. Had I processed it in PS I'd have used plenty of noise reduction which would have helped a lot, but you can only look at and comment on what's on your screen right now, I understand that. I hope you think it's a cool photo, too. Let me know. I do have a question, though. There appear to be horizontal lines going across this image, the most obvious one going through the female's upper eye. What are these? I've not noticed them on other images. I don't know if it's a problem with the camera, the card or the computer. Any ideas? thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
From: P. J. Alling Banding can be a problem with all DSLRs, it usually shows up at higher ISOs. (What a higher ISO is depends on the sensor chip). frank theriault wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: No idea about the mysterious lines, but I love the photo! I wouldn't worry about noise reduction; the noise adds to this shot, IMO. Sort of a Bob Capa covers the rave scene feel to it :) Is banding inherent to the Bayer pattern sensors; something to do with the algorithm necessary to fill in the blanks? I wonder if the Foveon sensors Sigma uses have the same problem with banding at high ISOs? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and a question) - Love on the Dancefloor
In a message dated 11/26/2008 8:35:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: == Captures the mood, but pretty noisy. I suspect those are due to high ISO. Marnie aka Doe :-) I tend to keep my ISO set at 200, most of the time. It covers most bases. Marnie - 1/13 of a second at ISO 3200 comes out to... about 1 second at ISO 200. I don't think he could have gotten the shot that way! -Charles == Yeah, I realize in that situation it wasn't possible. Marnie aka Doe :-) OTOH, in that kind of situation, if I take a shot, I don't expect much either. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
