Re: Prints from slides questions
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Tom Reese wrote: get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. Now to my questions: I took my first slide to print to a commerical Ritz lab which usually makes me happy, and took a slide loaded with vibrant colour.. http://www.eighteenpercent.com/c4.html I got something back that has NONE of this colour in it, and I'm confused. I'm going to take a digital copy of this and ask for teh same thing, and then ask them to explain why they can't reproduce this as that was done. I was told you can only get those kinds of colours from a cibachrome, and while I'll buy that the colours won't be AS vibrant, surely the washed out thing I got back can't be right, can it? (wish I had a copy of what they gave me, but I do not) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
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Hey Bruce, Talk about weird sleeping, slept all day from 6am on to 6pm, was up till 11pm then slept till 6am. Just making my coffee nowseems not a lot of posting happening. Anyhow, I hope you are right! I see all these amazing photos and just shake my head as if I'm not even in the same area code. I do think that oh, I forget his name, that has that wonderful 1000mm mirror should temporarily give it to me until he learns to stop staring at the sun ;-) (Say about year?) Oh, and I gripe this and gripe that but I am really proud of my equipment. Need a wide angle, need a telephoto and I'm set. Well took this a little OT, oh well, I haven't had coffee yet. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: Re[4]: Prints from slides questions Brad, Not only that, you might find out that you are a much better photographer than you thought you were and might find out that your equipment is better than you thought it was. Bruce Monday, October 28, 2002, 6:28:34 PM, you wrote: I've had better luck with a well set up Agfa D-Lab. I find the Fuji Crystal Archive paper just a bit too contrasty. But I certainly agree with staying away from Ritz and Walmart/Sams Club. Pretty much you have to go with a lab that doesn't cater to people who only care about the price and actually know how to take pictures. The lab I use mostly processes sports team photography and weddings/portraits. They do individual walk in stuff but it costs 3 times more than Sams club. BD Considering the amount of money we spend to take these images, and the time, BD and the care, paying a higher price for processing is just plain common BD sense.
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- Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan Subject: Re: Prints from slides questions hi William Probally a dumb question but, do these machines have a lens like a normal darkroom enlarger or is the image made from this laser? No lens. The image is derived entirely from the laser. William Robb
Re: Prints from slides questions
Tom Reese wrote: I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. Now to my questions: The slides had to be scanned somehow. Are scanners that bad at reading color slides? If what I got is the best a film scanner can do then I've lost all interest in buying one. ... Thanks for any info you can provide. No machine can perform better than the humans that planned, made, set up and operate it does. The last is the weak link. Most non pro places (and some of the pro ones) just expect machines to do all their work for them. Customer is there to teach them they're wrong. Unemployment too. I think Bill Robb and a few more can add something on this matter... Flavio
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Ritz Camera Stores uses the Fuji Frontier system to make quick prints from slides. I have found that the results are quite good. There is some loss of detail and color saturation, but all in all quite acceptable. By the way I've only had 4X6 prints made there and they charge $1.00 per print. DG At 11:42 AM 10/27/02 -0500, you wrote: At 08:20 AM 27/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. My experience too. I took a 67 velvia slide in to Blacks to get an enlargement made. I'd tried scanning the slide on my HP flatbed without much success (unmounted, I couldn't keep it flat enough). Terrible print. I've now taken it somewhere else to see if the results are any better. (of course it could just be that my slide's rubbish!) Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
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Butch, I've had better luck with a well set up Agfa D-Lab. I find the Fuji Crystal Archive paper just a bit too contrasty. But I certainly agree with staying away from Ritz and Walmart/Sams Club. Pretty much you have to go with a lab that doesn't cater to people who only care about the price and actually know how to take pictures. The lab I use mostly processes sports team photography and weddings/portraits. They do individual walk in stuff but it costs 3 times more than Sams club. Bruce Monday, October 28, 2002, 4:43:10 PM, you wrote: BB The best results I've seen has been with a well set up Fuji Frontier BB printing on Fuji Crystal archive paper and running Fuji chemistry. We have a BB Noritsu 2711 at work and it hoovers compared to the Frontier. The trick is BB to find a lab with one that is well set up, maintained, and operated by BB someone that knows both photography and photo printing. Stay away from the BB Ritz's and Wal*Marts on this one. BB BUTCH BB Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself BB Hermann Hesse (Demian) BB PS Thanks Doug for getting the digest working again
Re: Re[2]: Prints from slides questions
I've had better luck with a well set up Agfa D-Lab. I find the Fuji Crystal Archive paper just a bit too contrasty. But I certainly agree with staying away from Ritz and Walmart/Sams Club. Pretty much you have to go with a lab that doesn't cater to people who only care about the price and actually know how to take pictures. The lab I use mostly processes sports team photography and weddings/portraits. They do individual walk in stuff but it costs 3 times more than Sams club. Considering the amount of money we spend to take these images, and the time, and the care, paying a higher price for processing is just plain common sense.
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hi William Probally a dumb question but, do these machines have a lens like a normal darkroom enlarger or is the image made from this laser? Feroze - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Prints from slides questions - Original Message - From: Butch Black Subject: RE: Prints from slides questions The best results I've seen has been with a well set up Fuji Frontier printing on Fuji Crystal archive paper and running Fuji chemistry. We have a Noritsu 2711 at work and it hoovers compared to the Frontier. The trick is to find a lab with one that is well set up, maintained, and operated by someone that knows both photography and photo printing. Stay away from the Ritz's and Wal*Marts on this one. The Noritsu 27 series is the first generation of digital printer from Noritsu. And you are right, they don't do the best job. We have a 2811 in the system, and it does a lot better. The image density of the scan has been increased over the 27 series, the dpi output size has been decreased, and colour gamut is somewhat expanded. The 27 series uses a fairly normal LED printing system. The 28 series uses (this is what the TSR told me) something like a small disco ball that reflects laser beams to the paper. With lick, the lab I work in will be equipped with a 31 series machine (3rd generation printing system) in the not to distant future. William Robb
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I get prints from my slides in one of two ways: 1. Scan it myself on the old HP PhotoSmart at 2400dpi, tweak it for contrast, etc and then print it (max 8x10) on my epson 880. For this cheap equipment I get some pretty fantastic results. 2. Bring it to the custom lab that has a Nikon 8000 scanner and high-end epson printer. Amazing results at a price for prints up to 24x36. The problem with scanning slides is that most consumer labs probably just batch scan without paying attention to the results. When I bring in a slide that I want printed I talk to the lab guy and tell him how the final print should look with regards to color, contrast, etc. I'm totally hooked on digital printing. I wouldn't think of printing my slides any other way. sigh one day i'll have the Nikon 8000 and mega-epson in my office.. Christian - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: Prints from slides questions I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. Now to my questions: The slides had to be scanned somehow. Are scanners that bad at reading color slides? If what I got is the best a film scanner can do then I've lost all interest in buying one. What process do you recommend for printing from slides? Is the consensus that Ilfochrome is better or does the Kodak Ektachrome paper yield a better print? Any differences that I should be aware of? Thanks for any info you can provide.
Re: Prints from slides questions
At 08:20 AM 27/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. My experience too. I took a 67 velvia slide in to Blacks to get an enlargement made. I'd tried scanning the slide on my HP flatbed without much success (unmounted, I couldn't keep it flat enough). Terrible print. I've now taken it somewhere else to see if the results are any better. (of course it could just be that my slide's rubbish!) Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
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I had the same experience with prints from slides, disappointing results, dull colors, no comparison to the slides. It was the same with every local lab I tried, digital or conventional process. Then I got this tip to try Overlake Photo in Bellevue. http://www.overlakephoto.com/main.html I had a few 5 x 7 test prints made from slides recently. The results were awesome. The high gloss prints are as vibrant as the slides themselves. Totally professional results. The prints were on Agfa paper, but don't know if they use the same Agfa D-lab that Bruce mentioned previously. One complaint that I have was the edges of the slides were cropped all the way around, which unfortunately affected the composition in a couple cases. Haven't dealt with that yet. Guess I'll have to contact them about that sometime to make sure it doesn't happen on a larger more costly enlargement. Or is that common that slides to prints process crop the edges? Harald
Prints from slides questions
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The slides had to be scanned somehow. Are scanners that bad at reading color slides? If what I got is the best a film scanner can do then I've lost all interest in buying one. scanner operators are lousy. even Kodak PhotoCDs and Canon HyperPhoto CDs are so-so, and they are the best of the lot. if you want good scans, you pay $20USD each or you get a decent film scanner and do it yourself. Herb
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I use a local lab which prints slides on Kodak LED digital printer. I had a Sensia 100 slide print on 11x16.5 Kodak paper recently and the result is great. It was able to reproduce the colour and shaded areas of the slides nicely. My sister can see no problem with the print. But inspect closely, I can still some noise which I believe was caused during the PS manuplication. However, since my untrained sister said it's great, I think it's good enough for most people for display purpose. I think for traditional prints, Ilfochrome Fuji are the best. regards, Alan Chan I've been shooting a lot of slides lately and took a few to a local digital print place for some quick enlargements. I didn't expect them to measure up to a custom print but I didn't expect them to be trash either. I thought I'd get something usable from a commercial lab but they were awful. No contrast, colors were off, highlights were washed out. Just terrible. Now to my questions: The slides had to be scanned somehow. Are scanners that bad at reading color slides? If what I got is the best a film scanner can do then I've lost all interest in buying one. What process do you recommend for printing from slides? Is the consensus that Ilfochrome is better or does the Kodak Ektachrome paper yield a better print? Any differences that I should be aware of? Thanks for any info you can provide. _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
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Christian, I assume you talking about 35mm slides. Are the sizes of your prints in inches or cm? then print it (max 8x10) ... Amazing results ... up to 24x36. Alex -Original Message- From: Christian [mailto:c_skofteland;mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Prints from slides questions I get prints from my slides in one of two ways: 1. on my epson 880. For this cheap equipment I get some pretty fantastic results. 2. Bring it to the custom lab that has a Nikon 8000 scanner and high-end epson printer.
