Re: For those who still enjoy film/darkroom
Just for you Bob! For sale friday. Pentax 110 outfit with all lenses but Pan 18, 20-40 and 70 in their original plastic holders, both flashes, most filters, 2 Pentax hard cases for 110, zip-lock bag of 20 year old Kodacolor 110 film carts, maybe 12 of them. $200 including shipping in USA. Outside US, we'll discuss. On Nov 17, 2011, at 13:19 , Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark, I know LaGrange Camera! It's in downtown LaGrange, along the Burlington railroad tracks and across from the station. I still visit them occasionally. Bought 110 film there for the mini Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: HI Bob - The store is Lagrange Camera - 104 West Burlington. I think it is the Lagrange that is out by you. They did not have a lot of Pentax gear, though. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There is no off position to the genius switch. Genius can, however, be observed as insanity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That sounds like fun. I played around with developing with coffee last summer - it is pretty simple to do and the results were not bad. Only developer that I've used that managed to get rid of the pink cast in Neopan SS. Aside from the novelty, there is not much point to it though. FWIW - I found a store in Lagrange Park, Illinois, that still has good stocks of many Kodak powder developers. Mostly in the old foil pouches, which can be good for storage. I picked up some Microdol-X and DK-50. They had lots of D76 but I already have gobs of that on hand MCC On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: If anyone ever adds a Utilitarian-Whimsy axis to the Myers Briggs personality test, we can use you as a reference standard. MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C, I wonder if that is the LaGrange Park that is just a bit east of me. What's the name of the place? Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: That sounds like fun. I played around with developing with coffee last summer - it is pretty simple to do and the results were not bad. Only developer that I've used that managed to get rid of the pink cast in Neopan SS. Aside from the novelty, there is not much point to it though. FWIW - I found a store in Lagrange Park, Illinois, that still has good stocks of many Kodak powder developers. Mostly in the old foil pouches, which can be good for storage. I picked up some Microdol-X and DK-50. They had lots of D76 but I already have gobs of that on hand MCC On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HI Bob - The store is Lagrange Camera - 104 West Burlington. I think it is the Lagrange that is out by you. They did not have a lot of Pentax gear, though. Mark C. On 11/17/2011 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark C, I wonder if that is the LaGrange Park that is just a bit east of me. What's the name of the place? Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Mark Cpdml-m...@charter.net wrote: That sounds like fun. I played around with developing with coffee last summer - it is pretty simple to do and the results were not bad. Only developer that I've used that managed to get rid of the pink cast in Neopan SS. Aside from the novelty, there is not much point to it though. FWIW - I found a store in Lagrange Park, Illinois, that still has good stocks of many Kodak powder developers. Mostly in the old foil pouches, which can be good for storage. I picked up some Microdol-X and DK-50. They had lots of D76 but I already have gobs of that on hand MCC On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For those who still enjoy film/darkroom
Mark, I know LaGrange Camera! It's in downtown LaGrange, along the Burlington railroad tracks and across from the station. I still visit them occasionally. Bought 110 film there for the mini Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: HI Bob - The store is Lagrange Camera - 104 West Burlington. I think it is the Lagrange that is out by you. They did not have a lot of Pentax gear, though. Mark C. On 11/17/2011 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark C, I wonder if that is the LaGrange Park that is just a bit east of me. What's the name of the place? Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Mark Cpdml-m...@charter.net wrote: That sounds like fun. I played around with developing with coffee last summer - it is pretty simple to do and the results were not bad. Only developer that I've used that managed to get rid of the pink cast in Neopan SS. Aside from the novelty, there is not much point to it though. FWIW - I found a store in Lagrange Park, Illinois, that still has good stocks of many Kodak powder developers. Mostly in the old foil pouches, which can be good for storage. I picked up some Microdol-X and DK-50. They had lots of D76 but I already have gobs of that on hand MCC On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For those who still enjoy film/darkroom
Yep, that's the one. You mentioned a Pentax 110 - as I recall they had 2 110 systems in their case. I resisted... On 11/17/2011 4:19 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark, I know LaGrange Camera! It's in downtown LaGrange, along the Burlington railroad tracks and across from the station. I still visit them occasionally. Bought 110 film there for the mini Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Mark Cpdml-m...@charter.net wrote: HI Bob - The store is Lagrange Camera - 104 West Burlington. I think it is the Lagrange that is out by you. They did not have a lot of Pentax gear, though. Mark C. On 11/17/2011 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark C, I wonder if that is the LaGrange Park that is just a bit east of me. What's the name of the place? Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Mark Cpdml-m...@charter.netwrote: That sounds like fun. I played around with developing with coffee last summer - it is pretty simple to do and the results were not bad. Only developer that I've used that managed to get rid of the pink cast in Neopan SS. Aside from the novelty, there is not much point to it though. FWIW - I found a store in Lagrange Park, Illinois, that still has good stocks of many Kodak powder developers. Mostly in the old foil pouches, which can be good for storage. I picked up some Microdol-X and DK-50. They had lots of D76 but I already have gobs of that on hand MCC On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe the only way I could try that is if I used a cheese sauce as the stop bath. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the only way I could try that is if I used a cheese sauce as the stop bath. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since HC110 is still available why would anyone care? Plus based on the available evidence there's a distinct possibility that the Broccoli didn't even contribute to the development. On 11/16/2011 8:21 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Here's something quite novel from APUG/Alan Johnson.Developer from Broccoli Many plant chemicals contain phenolic groups (as do hydroquinone,pyrogallol,pyrocatechol).I tried to extract the phenols from Broccoli by heating 200g Broccoli in 1% sodium carbonate (anh) solution at 100C for 15min with stirring.After filtering this Broccoli extract I added some Phenidone dissolved in isopropyl alcohol. PP-1 developer: Extract of 200g Broccoli Phenidone .0.1g Sodium Carbonate 1% to 600ml. I checked that phenidone alone was not doing the developing by developing old APX 400 30m 20C ag 10s/min in PP-1 without the Broccoli extract.The negatives were very thin and flat. For the test, APX 400 at EI=200 was developed in PP-1 30m 20C ag10s/min. The negatives were slightly underdeveloped but otherwise good.The attachments show the full negative and a 0.2in square section. To see if there was any tanning I bleached the negs in 100g/L ferricyanide/bromide and fixed them.No relief image or tanning could be seen. This surprised me as I expected plant phenols to be like hydroquinone,pyrogallol, pyrocatechol and tan the negatives.The only explanation I can find is that the oxidation products of Broccoli phenols are not very stable and do not spread through the gelatin (Photographic Processing Chemistry, LFA Mason 1975 p172).Of course all this does rely on the assumption that it is the phenols from Broccoli that are involved in the developing. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:08 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Since HC110 is still available why would anyone care? If anyone ever adds a Utilitarian-Whimsy axis to the Myers Briggs personality test, we can use you as a reference standard. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Balsamic vinegar. Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the only way I could try that is if I used a cheese sauce as the stop bath. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
