Re: MBP RIP

[Rick Womer]

Cotty,

I went to the Rossman website, and they provide free estimates; and say that 
repair of liquid damage is usually $325-$450.

I bought a new (to me) 2015 MBP Friday, because I’m as dependent on it for work 
as you are. If I can have a second working computer for $325-450, though, it 
would be dandy.

Alas, no trips to the Mother Country planned. Heading across the pond for a 
conference in Rome in a few days, though.

Rick


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 4/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other
>> components later...
> 
> Understood Rick.
> 
> If there is an area of 'corrosion' on the PCB, I certainly stand corrected. 
> Have you ever spilled liquid on top of the keyboard or has it ever got wet? 
> In normal domestic operation 'corrosion' on PCBs is not very common.
> 
> The capacitor I mention is a design flaw in that it doesn't seem to have the 
> longevity to do the job it's supposed to, hence when it fails the machine 
> won't usually boot up. Replacing this cap will doubtless allow it to boot 
> again.
> 
> I'm not saying that this is viable for you, or that you should be doing this 
> - all I'm saying is that most repair techs won't know about this (bad cap) 
> issue and will put it down to anything else that fits into their sphere of 
> recognition.
> 
> I simply mention it because it is highly likely to be the cause of your 2008 
> MBP not booting up. If you're ever due this way, by all means bring it along 
> and I'll fix it for you :-)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
> ||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other
>components later...

Understood Rick.

If there is an area of 'corrosion' on the PCB, I certainly stand corrected. 
Have you ever spilled liquid on top of the keyboard or has it ever got wet? In 
normal domestic operation 'corrosion' on PCBs is not very common.

The capacitor I mention is a design flaw in that it doesn't seem to have the 
longevity to do the job it's supposed to, hence when it fails the machine won't 
usually boot up. Replacing this cap will doubtless allow it to boot again.

I'm not saying that this is viable for you, or that you should be doing this - 
all I'm saying is that most repair techs won't know about this (bad cap) issue 
and will put it down to anything else that fits into their sphere of 
recognition.

I simply mention it because it is highly likely to be the cause of your 2008 
MBP not booting up. If you're ever due this way, by all means bring it along 
and I'll fix it for you :-)

Cheers!

-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Rick Womer]

Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other 
components later…

Rick

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 2/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that there
>> was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some moisture
>> entering through the row of ports on the right side at some point.
> 
> Haha - yep - old slow corrosion :-)
> 
> Tell them to replace one capacitor as in this video and I bet you 10 bucks it 
> will start up fine
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
> ||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
> --
> _
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[John]

When I saw the subject line I was afraid some former stalwart of the PDML had 
passed on to his/her final reward.


On 11/2/2018 20:46, Rick Womer wrote:

On January 14, 2009 my wife and I had reservations on an early evening flight
from PHL to LHR; we were on our way to Oxford for a six-month sabbatical (Joy
doing research for a book at the Bodleian ; me working in a lab at “The
Churchill” learning about interactions between malignant tumors and their
hosts).

That morning, the high-end HP laptop provided by the hospital I work at died,
3 months past its 3y warranty. Slicing and dodging through meters of red tape
in a half-hour, I rushed it over to the repair shop the hospital used. They
phoned a couple of hours later (~1pm) to say that the northbridge was
cracked; they had shimmed it with some folded electrical tape, but didn’t
think it would last long.

I scurried over, retrieved the HP, strode briskly to the university's
computer store, and bought a late-2008 MacBook Pro. I phoned our computer guy
from the store, trotted back to my office, and we spent a few hours shoveling
software and data from the HP into the MBP. We finished, and I went home,
took a shower, and we left for the airport.

Since then the MBP has been my work computer, getting heavy use every day.
Almost every evening I carried it home, worked on it, carried it back, put it
in its docking station, and worked on it more. I upgraded the RAM, replaced
the spinny drive with an SSD, and replaced the battery a few times. It was
utterly faithful for 9 years and 10 months (almost 9 years past the end of
its 1-year warranty).

Before the MBP I’d had two top-of-the-line Toshiba laptops and two high-end
HPs. All four snuffed it a few months after their 3-year warranties ended.

This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that there was
some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some moisture entering
through the row of ports on the right side at some point. That wasn’t
surprising, since my commute is a 1 mile walk in all kinds of weather,
carrying it in a backpack.

So I bought a refurbished 2015 MBP, took the SSD out of the old one, and our
computer guy and I will transfer the data Monday morning.

Sigh.

If anyone is interested, I have a late-2008 MBP battery in good condition,
and will have a 450MP SSD available on Monday.

Rick






--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that there
>was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some moisture
>entering through the row of ports on the right side at some point.

Haha - yep - old slow corrosion :-)

Tell them to replace one capacitor as in this video and I bet you 10 bucks it 
will start up fine



-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Steve Cottrell]

I run a 2012 MBP maxxed out and SSD, best machine ever had. Only got it as the 
2010 MBP ket rebooting with heavy editing use - graphics issue. The 2010 was 
handed down to my wife who obvs doesn't video edit or mash graphics - BUT as 
the years progressed, more and more websites require graphics intensive 
hardware as they get crazier with ads, video, you name it. So the 2010 started 
to fail again by just randomly shutting down.

Looked into replacing it, but the research threw up soem interesting stuff. It 
was originally thought that the 2nd graphics processing unit (GPU - MacBook 
Pros have 2 GPUs rather than a single in a MacBook) was failing by dry joints 
or what have you - and some reflowing repairs did solve some issues - but one 
guy chased the issue on the 2010 to a capacitor that regularly fails because it 
was *the wrong bit of hardware for the job*. Let that sink in for a moment. It 
was designed with an inherent flaw.

So, watched the video for the repair (see link below) and bought a couple of 
new caps (7 bucks the pair) and replaced one on the motherboard (a voltage 
controlling cap for the 2nd GPU) and hey presto - random shutdowns gone and 
machine in great health again.

Had to improve my soldering kit and technique but no biggy, and even with that 
the cost was a couple of dozen GBP and 3 hours of my time.

This guy is pretty interesting to listen to as well - he will readily slag off 
anything on the market due to poor design and workmanship - Apple especially! 
:-)

NB you might find links to the 2008 issue here as well.





-- 


Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
--
_



-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Jostein Øksne]

Didn't check the link before writing, but wouldn't it be awesome if they had a 
model called Rosetta? :-)
Jostein

Den 3. november 2018 10.40.59 CET, skrev mike wilson :
>My guess as well but I was curious.  We are now using Stones [8 -)] for
>computing. Designed for the education market, they are standing up
>better than the big name stuff we have used previously.
>
>https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/
>
>> On 03 November 2018 at 08:31 Jostein Øksne  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> My guess is that
>> 450MP SSD = 450MB SSD + typo
>> 
>> I bought Lenovo laptops from their "W" line for each of my boys when
>they turned 15. Both machines endured more than five years of teenage
>abuse. I chose Lenovo because of our experiences with the brand at
>work. At the time I worked at the Norwegian Medicines Agency. As with
>all brands there were a few bad apples, but overall it was easy work to
>manage and maintain them. We managed about fifty laptops then.
>> My current personal machine is also a W-series from Lenovo, and
>stocks five years of use without hardware glitches now. 
>> On a more general note, I notice that the highschool I teach at now
>switched from HP to Lenovo two years back. From what I can see, the
>brands are about equal in how much abuse they can take from students.
>Or teachers. There are about a thousand students and two hundred
>teachers. So better numbers for statistics, but less accurate
>impressions since I'm no longer a systems manager.
>> 
>> Jostein
>> 
>> Den 3. november 2018 08.15.06 CET, skrev mike wilson
>:
>> >
>> >> On 03 November 2018 at 00:46 Rick Womer 
>wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Before the MBP I’d had two top-of-the-line Toshiba laptops and two
>> >high-end HPs. All four snuffed it a few months after their 3-year
>> >warranties ended.
>> >> 
>> >> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that
>> >there was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some
>> >moisture entering through the row of ports on the right side at some
>> >point. That wasn’t surprising, since my commute is a 1 mile walk in
>all
>> >kinds of weather, carrying it in a backpack.
>> >> 
>> >> So I bought a refurbished 2015 MBP, took the SSD out of the old
>one,
>> >and our computer guy and I will transfer the data Monday morning.
>> >> 
>> >> Sigh.
>> >> 
>> >> If anyone is interested, I have a late-2008 MBP battery in good
>> >condition, and will have a 450MP SSD available on Monday.
>> >
>> >My Toshiba RV511 was assembled in July 2011.  Had four years college
>> >use and now used by me every day.  Obviously, it's going to die this
>> >afternoon.
>> >
>> >What's a 450MP SSD?  Googling 450MP brings up the screen for a
>Chinese
>> >mobile phone.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> 
>> -- 
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above
>and follow the directions.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 03.11.18 um 01:46 schrieb Rick Womer:

Since then the MBP has been my work computer, getting heavy use every day. 
Almost every evening I carried it home, worked on it, carried it back, put it 
in its docking station, and worked on it more. I upgraded the RAM, replaced the 
spinny drive with an SSD, and replaced the battery a few times. It was utterly 
faithful for 9 years and 10 months (almost 9 years past the end of its 1-year 
warranty).


In 2010, someone dropped a friend's early 2008 MBP and caused a dent in 
the rear left corner. Fortunately, the guy was insured and the insurance 
asked for the computer to be sent to their expert for evaluation. The 
expert dropped it yet again, this time on the rear right corner. So, 
without any further hassle the insurance paid my friend a new MBP and 
that was that for him.


Unimpressed by all this, the dented MBP was still working. Being a 
really nice guy, my friend gave it to me. Two years later, it wouldn't 
boot anymore. Not being one to give up easily, I found out that this was 
a known prob with some NVidia graphics chip failing. It took a little 
prodding but Apple eventually replaced the mainboard at their - or 
rather NVidia's - expense.


This MBP has been my faithful companion until a few weeks ago when I 
finally decided I'd want a little more computing power. It still works 
flawlessly but has been getting a bit slow with the large files from the 
K-3 and a bunch of newer software didn't run under El Capitan, the 
latest system it would accept.


So, I got myself a mid 2012 MBP, second-hand from a dealer with one 
year's warranty, in almost mint condition. Gee, this things runs circles 
around my old MBP and surprisingly around my home system, a 2012 Mac 
Mini. Seems to be the GPU in the Macbook that makes the difference.


Let's hope it will also live to the grand old age (over ten years and 
counting) of its predecessor which is still doing fine and has found a 
new lease of life as a test and measurement system for my vintage hifi gear.


Ralf

--
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Web   : http://www.fotoralf.de

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[mike wilson]

My guess as well but I was curious.  We are now using Stones [8 -)] for 
computing. Designed for the education market, they are standing up better than 
the big name stuff we have used previously.

https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/

> On 03 November 2018 at 08:31 Jostein Øksne  wrote:
> 
> 
> My guess is that
> 450MP SSD = 450MB SSD + typo
> 
> I bought Lenovo laptops from their "W" line for each of my boys when they 
> turned 15. Both machines endured more than five years of teenage abuse. I 
> chose Lenovo because of our experiences with the brand at work. At the time I 
> worked at the Norwegian Medicines Agency. As with all brands there were a few 
> bad apples, but overall it was easy work to manage and maintain them. We 
> managed about fifty laptops then.
> My current personal machine is also a W-series from Lenovo, and stocks five 
> years of use without hardware glitches now. 
> On a more general note, I notice that the highschool I teach at now switched 
> from HP to Lenovo two years back. From what I can see, the brands are about 
> equal in how much abuse they can take from students. Or teachers. There are 
> about a thousand students and two hundred teachers. So better numbers for 
> statistics, but less accurate impressions since I'm no longer a systems 
> manager.
> 
> Jostein
> 
> Den 3. november 2018 08.15.06 CET, skrev mike wilson 
> :
> >
> >> On 03 November 2018 at 00:46 Rick Womer  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Before the MBP I’d had two top-of-the-line Toshiba laptops and two
> >high-end HPs. All four snuffed it a few months after their 3-year
> >warranties ended.
> >> 
> >> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that
> >there was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some
> >moisture entering through the row of ports on the right side at some
> >point. That wasn’t surprising, since my commute is a 1 mile walk in all
> >kinds of weather, carrying it in a backpack.
> >> 
> >> So I bought a refurbished 2015 MBP, took the SSD out of the old one,
> >and our computer guy and I will transfer the data Monday morning.
> >> 
> >> Sigh.
> >> 
> >> If anyone is interested, I have a late-2008 MBP battery in good
> >condition, and will have a 450MP SSD available on Monday.
> >
> >My Toshiba RV511 was assembled in July 2011.  Had four years college
> >use and now used by me every day.  Obviously, it's going to die this
> >afternoon.
> >
> >What's a 450MP SSD?  Googling 450MP brings up the screen for a Chinese
> >mobile phone.
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[Jostein Øksne]

My guess is that
450MP SSD = 450MB SSD + typo

I bought Lenovo laptops from their "W" line for each of my boys when they 
turned 15. Both machines endured more than five years of teenage abuse. I chose 
Lenovo because of our experiences with the brand at work. At the time I worked 
at the Norwegian Medicines Agency. As with all brands there were a few bad 
apples, but overall it was easy work to manage and maintain them. We managed 
about fifty laptops then.
My current personal machine is also a W-series from Lenovo, and stocks five 
years of use without hardware glitches now. 
On a more general note, I notice that the highschool I teach at now switched 
from HP to Lenovo two years back. From what I can see, the brands are about 
equal in how much abuse they can take from students. Or teachers. There are 
about a thousand students and two hundred teachers. So better numbers for 
statistics, but less accurate impressions since I'm no longer a systems manager.

Jostein

Den 3. november 2018 08.15.06 CET, skrev mike wilson :
>
>> On 03 November 2018 at 00:46 Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Before the MBP I’d had two top-of-the-line Toshiba laptops and two
>high-end HPs. All four snuffed it a few months after their 3-year
>warranties ended.
>> 
>> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that
>there was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some
>moisture entering through the row of ports on the right side at some
>point. That wasn’t surprising, since my commute is a 1 mile walk in all
>kinds of weather, carrying it in a backpack.
>> 
>> So I bought a refurbished 2015 MBP, took the SSD out of the old one,
>and our computer guy and I will transfer the data Monday morning.
>> 
>> Sigh.
>> 
>> If anyone is interested, I have a late-2008 MBP battery in good
>condition, and will have a 450MP SSD available on Monday.
>
>My Toshiba RV511 was assembled in July 2011.  Had four years college
>use and now used by me every day.  Obviously, it's going to die this
>afternoon.
>
>What's a 450MP SSD?  Googling 450MP brings up the screen for a Chinese
>mobile phone.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: MBP RIP

[mike wilson]

> On 03 November 2018 at 00:46 Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Before the MBP I’d had two top-of-the-line Toshiba laptops and two high-end 
> HPs. All four snuffed it a few months after their 3-year warranties ended.
> 
> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that there was 
> some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some moisture entering 
> through the row of ports on the right side at some point. That wasn’t 
> surprising, since my commute is a 1 mile walk in all kinds of weather, 
> carrying it in a backpack.
> 
> So I bought a refurbished 2015 MBP, took the SSD out of the old one, and our 
> computer guy and I will transfer the data Monday morning.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> If anyone is interested, I have a late-2008 MBP battery in good condition, 
> and will have a 450MP SSD available on Monday.

My Toshiba RV511 was assembled in July 2011.  Had four years college use and 
now used by me every day.  Obviously, it's going to die this afternoon.

What's a 450MP SSD?  Googling 450MP brings up the screen for a Chinese mobile 
phone.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.