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On 30/01/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh. So, I guess your Canon 1D-something isn't professional anymore. Pity. Good point. Actually I consider it a stop-gap camera. As soon as Canon can get the throughput of the faster camera into the quality of the 36X24 sensor, they will pull the 1.3X crop. I'll bet you on that! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry, make that 16 bit dynamic range raw files. Jostein 2008/1/31, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/1/31, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What are the essentials or dealbreakers? In my opinion, a Pentax Of Death (POD?) would be a digital 645. FF or not. It should be a camera built for the outdoors, both in durability, glove factor, low battery consumption and support for multiple memory cards. Preferrably CF. It should also have, unlike its predecessors, a vertical grip. From the imaging chip, I'd be happy with anything from 24 Mpx and upwards as long as they are high quality pixels in terms of S/N ratio. It should deliver 16 bit colour depth raw files. And I wouldn't complain if they commenced a new series of 645 lenses featuring SDM motors. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/1/31, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What are the essentials or dealbreakers? In my opinion, a Pentax Of Death (POD?) would be a digital 645. FF or not. It should be a camera built for the outdoors, both in durability, glove factor, low battery consumption and support for multiple memory cards. Preferrably CF. It should also have, unlike its predecessors, a vertical grip. From the imaging chip, I'd be happy with anything from 24 Mpx and upwards as long as they are high quality pixels in terms of S/N ratio. It should deliver 16 bit colour depth raw files. And I wouldn't complain if they commenced a new series of 645 lenses featuring SDM motors. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/30 Wed PM 11:59:27 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... ...why did the 645 lens get stripped off the road map. Gotta love Pentax marketing. That chart is titled SMC pentax Lens development Roadmap and the listed lenses are titled Current DA lenses, DAF lenses Future DA lenses. It doesn't imply there are no other Pentax lenses. I can't wait for the DAF Teleconverter. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/1/31, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can't wait for the DAF Teleconverter. ... to see if it reads assembled in The Netherlands? :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins wrote: So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. The K10D was not far below the bottom of that range when it was introduced here.. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/31/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh. So, I guess your Canon 1D-something isn't professional anymore. Pity. Good point. Actually I consider it a stop-gap camera. As soon as Canon can get the throughput of the faster camera into the quality of the 36X24 sensor, they will pull the 1.3X crop. I'll bet you on that! -- Cheers, Cotty They've been able to for a while. There's no reason why Canon can't make a 9-10fps 12MP FF chip just like Nikon did. However there are advantages to crop sensors. The extra pixel density for a given resolution is a win when using long lenses on small subjects. This is why Nikon's D300 is the wildlife camera, not the D3. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Must have: Full K-Mount support. Didn't think you gave a sh*t about this, Will. * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cory Papenfuss Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Must have: Full K-Mount support. Didn't think you gave a sh*t about this, Will. At 1K for a camera, I don't. At 2K, I do. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/31 Thu AM 11:28:28 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... 2008/1/31, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can't wait for the DAF Teleconverter. ... to see if it reads assembled in The Netherlands? :-) 8-) I just want the acronym on my gear. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 30/01/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed: Oh. So, I guess your Canon 1D-something isn't professional anymore. Pity. Good point. Actually I consider it a stop-gap camera. As soon as Canon can get the throughput of the faster camera into the quality of the 36X24 sensor, they will pull the 1.3X crop. I'll bet you on that! Depending on your timeframe... I'll take that bet! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My thinking is that the K20D is coming out at $1400. I agree that a camera in a new category would probably come at least 1000 USD higher and drop to a street price around 2K.I wouldn't be shocked, however, by something that has a street price around 2.5K. Pentax did sell MF cameras in the range so they might try that piece of the market again. If it fails, they could have a stripped down version (same electronics, inferior body) for a much lower price. I know that I would design an advanced camera with a lower model version that could take advantage of the manufacturing arrangements. It's a good hedge for a company like Pentax that really can't afford a bust. John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/30/2008 11:47 PM On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:15:28PM -0500, Steve Desjardins wrote: So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. I can't see Pentax playing in that market space. I'd say $2500 is the upper end of their price bracket, and a $1700-$1800 camera is more likely. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47a152e6313731922417713! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He always seemed to, though he's resigned. (and he likes to p*ss off JCO). Cory Papenfuss wrote: Must have: Full K-Mount support. Didn't think you gave a sh*t about this, Will. * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/01/08, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Depending on your timeframe... I'll take that bet! 2 years. How about a meal at the Dogfish. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 31/01/08, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Depending on your timeframe... I'll take that bet! 2 years. How about a meal at the Dogfish. Yer on. Canon will keep the crazy high speed crop sensor for the crazy wildlife and sports guys. It's like a built in TC and I don't think they'll give it up. They'll pack on more pixels for sure as the noise reduction technology improves but they'll keep the 1.3 sensor. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not to mention the newspaper sports shooters, who don't need high resolution. Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cotty wrote: On 31/01/08, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Depending on your timeframe... I'll take that bet! 2 years. How about a meal at the Dogfish. Yer on. Canon will keep the crazy high speed crop sensor for the crazy wildlife and sports guys. It's like a built in TC and I don't think they'll give it up. They'll pack on more pixels for sure as the noise reduction technology improves but they'll keep the 1.3 sensor. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to mention the newspaper sports shooters, who don't need high resolution. They were included in my crazy sports guys category :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: 2008/1/31, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can't wait for the DAF Teleconverter. ... to see if it reads assembled in The Netherlands? :-) No, he just wants SDM with a Variomatic gear box... Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, it sounds much more like (sucessor of) 645D for me. I asked about it in Dubai and got an answer we are continuing to work on it. After Sony announcement, FF can easily be a semi-pro mainstream on 2009. BR, Margus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Next year's Corvette is always gonna be sexier than this years...but they don't wait for it! On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, I would agree, but I don't see that comment anywhere. And if Pentax introduced a K1D @ $2,500 each, I would be hard pressed to pass on a K20D and wait for it. So maybe this is meant to be our little secret... Regards, Bob S. On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next year's Corvette is always gonna be sexier than this years...but they don't wait for it! On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. The way I read the original text, that wouldn't be the same thing at all. It would be more like saying that next year, there will also be a formula 1 car. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next year's Corvette is always gonna be sexier than this years...but they don't wait for it! On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 1/30/2008 12:34:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, what makes you think it will be a competitor to the K20D? Could it be a digital replacement for the the larger format Pentax cameras? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f = I read the article as MF, not FF. He said they have no plans for FF. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, what makes you think it will be a competitor to the K20D? Could it be a digital replacement for the the larger format Pentax cameras? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/30/2008 12:34:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, what makes you think it will be a competitor to the K20D? Could it be a digital replacement for the the larger format Pentax cameras? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f = I read the article as MF, not FF. He said they have no plans for FF. Marnie aka Doe :-) - You're right. My bad. I didn't see the Read More link at the bottom and read just the first couple of paragraphs. I must have had my head in my ass:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you're correct. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe Pentax will follow Nikon's lead and produce a sensor that will accomodate both FF and APS. Now that would be special!! Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Perhaps. But by announcing it now, they're opening the door to conjecture and potentially delaying sales. It's just not sound marketing. -- Original message -- From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, what makes you think it will be a competitor to the K20D? Could it be a digital replacement for the the larger format Pentax cameras? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/01/08, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe Pentax will follow Nikon's lead and produce a sensor that will accomodate both FF and APS. Now that would be special!! Not for at least two years, according to the spokesman. Looks like I'll be sat at the table, twiddling my thumbs, for quite a while ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just re-read the article and I don't see where it points to MF even though he rules out a 24x36mm FF camera in the near future. So I'm mystified. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're correct. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. I think you're correct. Very unlikely. The 55mm lens for 645 has just been removed from the road map. Also, I expect that interview took place *before* Sony's announcement of the full-frame CMOS chip today. That'll change a lot of plans. From the interview section where he says full-frame is unlikely for the time being: However, he qualified his remarks with a disclaimer: What will happen in two years? Who knows. Two years is a long time and things may move faster now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If this eludes to a FF camera, and I'm not so sure it does (a larger 1.3 crop sensor maybe?), what would you be prepared to spend on such a camera. Let's assume that the FF camera retains the current mount, weather sealing, SR, and a faster shutter, say, at least 5-6 fps. Keep in mind that the Canon 5D goes for $2.5KUS, and the Nikon D3 is $5KUS. I'm leaving out the EOS 1DS Mark III since I think we all agree that it is in a class by itself...for now. -Brendan --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But he made it clear that this new much higher jump is not to full frame. That would seem to suggest it's a 645D, although it could be something along the lines of a Nikon D300 I guess. I don't know if that fits the much higher tag. I don't think that the removal of the 645 lens from the roadmap is relevant. The roadmap is all APS-C DSLR. The lens didn't belong there in the first place. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. I think you're correct. Very unlikely. The 55mm lens for 645 has just been removed from the road map. Also, I expect that interview took place *before* Sony's announcement of the full-frame CMOS chip today. That'll change a lot of plans. From the interview section where he says full-frame is unlikely for the time being: However, he qualified his remarks with a disclaimer: What will happen in two years? Who knows. Two years is a long time and things may move faster now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/30/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. -- Cheers, Cotty I'd disagree, I'm thinking a higher-spec DX body, a la D300 (but likely not quite that fast). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At least you'll be at the table when your el dente hat is served. Jack --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/08, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe Pentax will follow Nikon's lead and produce a sensor that will accomodate both FF and APS. Now that would be special!! Not for at least two years, according to the spokesman. Looks like I'll be sat at the table, twiddling my thumbs, for quite a while ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. It means that instead of a linear progression of numbers - K10D, K20D, K30D, K40D, ... - they will go K10D, K20D, K40D, K80D, ... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brendan MacRae wrote: If this eludes to a FF camera, and I'm not so sure it does (a larger 1.3 crop sensor maybe?) I think people may not be clicking on the read more link to see the entire article (which is here: http://www.cnet.com/8301-13951_1-9861087-63.html?tag=head ) He says there's a much higher spec camera coming in about a year, but that it will be APS-C. He says full-frame is unlikely but then again, What will happen in two years? Who knows. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Think I'm gonna lean back and get comfortable for awhile. Dynamic goin's on demand precise timing. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Davis wrote: --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/08, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe Pentax will follow Nikon's lead and produce a sensor that will accomodate both FF and APS. Now that would be special!! Not for at least two years, according to the spokesman. Looks like I'll be sat at the table, twiddling my thumbs, for quite a while ;-) At least you'll be at the table when your el dente hat is served. And it may not be two years. Next year's camera may do it: Remember, Cotty himself said the K1D doesn't have to be full-frame :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jack Davis wrote: --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/08, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed: Maybe Pentax will follow Nikon's lead and produce a sensor that will accomodate both FF and APS. Now that would be special!! Not for at least two years, according to the spokesman. Looks like I'll be sat at the table, twiddling my thumbs, for quite a while ;-) At least you'll be at the table when your el dente hat is served. And it may not be two years. Next year's camera may do it: Remember, Cotty himself said the K1D doesn't have to be full-frame :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Ya, they leave that for the engineering department. Sorry Paul, Evil Bill is still extant. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Hm, now I may have to rethink my camera strategy. The K10 will certainly serve my needs for another year or so, and I don't really want to obsolete 2 cameras in as many years. Pentax needs to clarify whether they are talking about a digital 645 or 35mm form camera before the K20 is introduced, or it's just not going to sell. And if it's a 645, why did the 645 lens get stripped off the road map? Gotta love Pentax marketing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I thought you might have been iced in due to this spell of global warming we've been having:-). Evil Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Ya, they leave that for the engineering department. Sorry Paul, Evil Bill is still extant. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Ya, they leave that for the engineering department. OUCH ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Ya, they leave that for the engineering department. Sorry Paul, Evil Bill is still extant. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Gotta love Pentax marketing. How about Sony? They've just announced a full-frame chip but no camera that uses it. Already Sony shooters are talking about postponing purchases until they know what's going to happen. I think they'll gasp when they see the eventual price tag, but that doesn't help Sony now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But he made it clear that this new much higher jump is not to full frame. And it would be supported by the lack of any FF 35MM lenses. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... But he made it clear that this new much higher jump is not to full frame. That would seem to suggest it's a 645D, although it could be something along the lines of a Nikon D300 I guess. I don't know if that fits the much higher tag. I don't think that the removal of the 645 lens from the roadmap is relevant. The roadmap is all APS-C DSLR. The lens didn't belong there in the first place. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. I think he's talking about a 645D. I think you're correct. Very unlikely. The 55mm lens for 645 has just been removed from the road map. Also, I expect that interview took place *before* Sony's announcement of the full-frame CMOS chip today. That'll change a lot of plans. From the interview section where he says full-frame is unlikely for the time being: However, he qualified his remarks with a disclaimer: What will happen in two years? Who knows. Two years is a long time and things may move faster now. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... William Robb wrote: Gotta love Pentax marketing. How about Sony? They've just announced a full-frame chip but no camera that uses it. Already Sony shooters are talking about postponing purchases until they know what's going to happen. For me, Sony damaged their marketing beyond repair when they started installing malware onto their music CD's. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... I thought you might have been iced in due to this spell of global warming we've been having:-). Damn near, we had our first cold snap and blizzard of the winter over the past few days. That it happened isn't unusual, that it waited until the end of January has only been usual for the past 10 or so years. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 30/01/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: And it may not be two years. Next year's camera may do it: Remember, Cotty himself said the K1D doesn't have to be full-frame :) Er, please find that quote! To the best of my knowledge, I don't recall saying that. I've always intimated that a pro-class DSLR from Pentax would have to be 36X24. The MZ-D. An APS-C camera does not work for me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...why did the 645 lens get stripped off the road map. Gotta love Pentax marketing. That chart is titled SMC pentax Lens development Roadmap and the listed lenses are titled Current DA lenses, DAF lenses Future DA lenses. It doesn't imply there are no other Pentax lenses. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Hmmm. That sounds like full frame. Apparently Pentax hasn't learned anything about marketing. You don't launch a new product with the caveat that there will be an even better product next year. Can you imagine auto manufacturer's doing that? Introducing the all-new Buzzmobile Bomber. But we'll be back with a better car next year. Maybe the K20D is going to be limited production, and they don't want to sell very many??? An annoouncement like this could put the damper on DA lenses as well. I know it gives me pause. Still, it's nice to know that Pentax will keep on keeping on. It's just unfortunate that they're such amateurs when it comes to marketing a product. Hm, now I may have to rethink my camera strategy. The K10 will certainly serve my needs for another year or so, and I don't really want to obsolete 2 cameras in as many years. Pentax needs to clarify whether they are talking about a digital 645 or 35mm form camera before the K20 is introduced, or it's just not going to sell. And if it's a 645, why did the 645 lens get stripped off the road map? Gotta love Pentax marketing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LoLetc Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you might have been iced in due to this spell of global warming we've been having:-). Evil Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Meal preparation under way... Consumers would wait for it if Chevrolet marketing said next year's model will come with 200 horsepower more than this years. But of course the Chevy marketers don't do that because they don't have their heads in their asses :-). Ya, they leave that for the engineering department. Sorry Paul, Evil Bill is still extant. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/30/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: Gotta love Pentax marketing. How about Sony? They've just announced a full-frame chip but no camera that uses it. Already Sony shooters are talking about postponing purchases until they know what's going to happen. I think they'll gasp when they see the eventual price tag, but that doesn't help Sony now. Sony showed their FF body design at PMA 2007. Sony users have been expecting an FF announcement for this spring, this is obviously going to be the sensor in the A900. I expect they'll announce the body as soon as they have production of the chip hammered out (The PR indicates Sony is not yet able to produce the sensor in quantity). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like the exponential naming system ;-) As for the article, the key word here (at least to me) is quality. Maybe a high end metal body, better AF, buffer, etc. All no fooling pro-spec stuff with a DX sensor. I just can't see them invalidaitng all those D* lenses this quickly. That would also mean they would have to fire up FA/DFA/whatever production again. Even Hoya might balk at this in the short run. Eventually, sure. The FF sensor will just get cheap enough to make it obvious. So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. (Assume this is not just due to the dollar dropping in value ;-) I'm not looking for a laundry list. What are the essentials or dealbreakers? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 4:33 PM http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. It means that instead of a linear progression of numbers - K10D, K20D, K30D, K40D, ... - they will go K10D, K20D, K40D, K80D, ... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47a0ee35313735416927315! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh. So, I guess your Canon 1D-something isn't professional anymore. Pity. Rick --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An APS-C camera does not work for me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah but it's a Canon. It doesn't matter how black Pentax make their cameras, they'll never be considered pro. Cheers, Dave :-D (Just in case it's needed) At 11:39 AM 31/01/2008, Rick Womer wrote: Oh. So, I guess your Canon 1D-something isn't professional anymore. Pity. Rick --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An APS-C camera does not work for me. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: RE: Meal preparation under way... So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. . What are the essentials or dealbreakers? 24x36 (or very close to it) sensor. Not a deal breaker, but it will need to give great head otherwise. Must have: Full K-Mount support. If it doesn't have this, it will have to be a slut in bed, have great tits, like being tied up and spanked, and be a gourmet cook. Interchangable prisms. It would be nice if they were the same mount as the LX (I have a full set). Not a deal breaker, but please, let's keep the prism behind the lens mount if it's fixed. A PC terminal. No built in flash (it goes along with the LX style prism system). Good enough specifications and build quality to be considered to be in the pro league game. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I doubt that it will be that big a ticket. I would guess a street price of around 1600. And I'd want six fps, a buffer and write speed that are the equal of the best DX cameras, exceptional build quality and more. No DX camera is going to come in at 2.5 to 4K. Too much. And Pentax is generally a leader in bang for the buck. Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: I like the exponential naming system ;-) As for the article, the key word here (at least to me) is quality. Maybe a high end metal body, better AF, buffer, etc. All no fooling pro-spec stuff with a DX sensor. I just can't see them invalidaitng all those D* lenses this quickly. That would also mean they would have to fire up FA/DFA/whatever production again. Even Hoya might balk at this in the short run. Eventually, sure. The FF sensor will just get cheap enough to make it obvious. So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. (Assume this is not just due to the dollar dropping in value ;-) I'm not looking for a laundry list. What are the essentials or dealbreakers? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 4:33 PM http://www.cnet.com/8300-13951_1-63.html?tag=nefd.lede Pentax just announced its new flagship SLR camera, the K20D, but the Japanese company has plans on the drawing board for a higher-end class of camera in 2009. On the Pentax roadmap for 2009, the SLR quality arrow jumps up much higher above the K20D--a bigger step up than the one from the K10D to the K20D--said John Carlson, Pentax's product manager for imaging systems. It means that instead of a linear progression of numbers - K10D, K20D, K30D, K40D, ... - they will go K10D, K20D, K40D, K80D, ... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47a0ee35313735416927315! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/30/08, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the exponential naming system ;-) As for the article, the key word here (at least to me) is quality. Maybe a high end metal body, better AF, buffer, etc. All no fooling pro-spec stuff with a DX sensor. I just can't see them invalidaitng all those D* lenses this quickly. That would also mean they would have to fire up FA/DFA/whatever production again. Even Hoya might balk at this in the short run. Eventually, sure. The FF sensor will just get cheap enough to make it obvious. So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. (Assume this is not just due to the dollar dropping in value ;-) I'm not looking for a laundry list. What are the essentials or dealbreakers? Steven Desjardins For me? For that money? Pro-level build (D2/D3-level). At least 5fps. Low-light AF competitive with the Nikon D300 (I don't care about AF-C speed or AF speed in good light). 1/250th or higher flash sync. 100% finder. IQ as good or better than K20D. Dual card slots with the option of writing sequentially, mirroring or JPEG to one, RAW to the other as well as copying one card to the other. 2000+ shot per charge battery option (Preferably with the option of running the K10D battery as well). I'd like the option of a removable grip, but can live with an integrated one. High-rez rear LCD is a must (A la Nikon D3/D300). Preferably articulated like a E-300 or the new Sony A300/A350. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins wrote: So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. For that kind of money it'd have to do things to me and for me that I'd ordinarily need a consenting woman for. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:15:28PM -0500, Steve Desjardins wrote: So here's my question: What does this Pentax of Death have to have before you'd drop $2.5-4K USD to buy it. I can't see Pentax playing in that market space. I'd say $2500 is the upper end of their price bracket, and a $1700-$1800 camera is more likely. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
