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For those who might be interested, here's a little progress report with first impressions of the Fuji X10. After opening the box - wow. Quality feel to it. Smth. Very black, very small. Size and weight reminds me of Leica CL, but resemblance ends there. It looks just like a flippin film camera of days gone by but in fact full of gizmotech. No strap going on this - no need. It fits in my pockets! First things first - the viewfinder is essential for me, so does it work? Emphatic yes! Phew - it passes the biggest hurdle. Not as nice as the X100 or any Leica, or even the Epson R-D1, but yes, I can easily see through it and it's actually not bad at all. Later I test the 'WYSIWYG' by looking through and comparing a shot. 85% coverage seems accurate. The pics are slightly wider than as seen. Easy to compensate for and actually better that way round - more room for error on the edges. Feel and ease of use - menus are quirky and not the easiest to figger out but I get there and still haven't looked at the manual. Settings stay locked to each operation mode and not global (P, A ,S, M) so if I set M (Manual) for 200 ISO and whatever else, when I switch back to P (Program) it goes back to the settings I used previously for that, say 800 Auto ISO and whatever else I set previously. Means I can set up M for things like landscapes and leave P for parties and grabs, S for high shutter speed shit and A for arty street shooting ;-) Whatever. Things I was interested to see that people had mentioned: Specular highlights - shit a brick! What's all the fuss about?? I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read the doom and gloom! Tried a few shots with highlights in and a complete waste of time bothering about it! I didn't buy the camera to pixel peep with - I bought it because it has a way better optical viewfinder than the Canon G12. What a relief. And Fooj are working on a fix so wtf. Parallax error - easy - close ups, just use the rear LCD. Everything else - non event. Finder is very good. For critical focus applications use rear LCD. End of. Mechanical operation - so far everything works, camera switches on and off as designed - very fast power up - in 'normal' - from switching on to 'alive' just over 1 second. In 'quick start' mode - almost instantaneous - my guess would be 2/10ths of a second. The rotating lens barrel for switch on is interesting and geared for shooting from cold. Nice. Shooting with it - fantastic. I preferred the articulated screen (and hence being able to fold away so can't bee seen) of the G12 or even the Epson R-D1 but hey. The rear LCD is visible from any angle - amazed at that. On the whole I tend not to use the rear LCD of any camera for composing - hence why I wanted a usable optical viewfinder. I would have liked Bob's X100 but for the restriction on the lens. The zoom range on the X10 isn't stellar but it suits my needs. The low light night shots are fantastic. Very impressed. To sum up - as Steve (Of The Gardens) said - it's been a long time since I've been this happy with a camera! Pics in due course. That is all. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Concerning modes: I have taken to setting the resolution to fine (12 MP) and the internal EXR setting to either High ISO/Low noise or improved DR. I then leave it on P (or A) most of the time for full resolution and flick to EXR for bad lighting, which changes to the 6 MP pixel-binning mode. It's a quick way to do business. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: For those who might be interested, here's a little progress report with first impressions of the Fuji X10. After opening the box - wow. Quality feel to it. Smth. Very black, very small. Size and weight reminds me of Leica CL, but resemblance ends there. It looks just like a flippin film camera of days gone by but in fact full of gizmotech. No strap going on this - no need. It fits in my pockets! First things first - the viewfinder is essential for me, so does it work? Emphatic yes! Phew - it passes the biggest hurdle. Not as nice as the X100 or any Leica, or even the Epson R-D1, but yes, I can easily see through it and it's actually not bad at all. Later I test the 'WYSIWYG' by looking through and comparing a shot. 85% coverage seems accurate. The pics are slightly wider than as seen. Easy to compensate for and actually better that way round - more room for error on the edges. Feel and ease of use - menus are quirky and not the easiest to figger out but I get there and still haven't looked at the manual. Settings stay locked to each operation mode and not global (P, A ,S, M) so if I set M (Manual) for 200 ISO and whatever else, when I switch back to P (Program) it goes back to the settings I used previously for that, say 800 Auto ISO and whatever else I set previously. Means I can set up M for things like landscapes and leave P for parties and grabs, S for high shutter speed shit and A for arty street shooting ;-) Whatever. Things I was interested to see that people had mentioned: Specular highlights - shit a brick! What's all the fuss about?? I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read the doom and gloom! Tried a few shots with highlights in and a complete waste of time bothering about it! I didn't buy the camera to pixel peep with - I bought it because it has a way better optical viewfinder than the Canon G12. What a relief. And Fooj are working on a fix so wtf. Parallax error - easy - close ups, just use the rear LCD. Everything else - non event. Finder is very good. For critical focus applications use rear LCD. End of. Mechanical operation - so far everything works, camera switches on and off as designed - very fast power up - in 'normal' - from switching on to 'alive' just over 1 second. In 'quick start' mode - almost instantaneous - my guess would be 2/10ths of a second. The rotating lens barrel for switch on is interesting and geared for shooting from cold. Nice. Shooting with it - fantastic. I preferred the articulated screen (and hence being able to fold away so can't bee seen) of the G12 or even the Epson R-D1 but hey. The rear LCD is visible from any angle - amazed at that. On the whole I tend not to use the rear LCD of any camera for composing - hence why I wanted a usable optical viewfinder. I would have liked Bob's X100 but for the restriction on the lens. The zoom range on the X10 isn't stellar but it suits my needs. The low light night shots are fantastic. Very impressed. To sum up - as Steve (Of The Gardens) said - it's been a long time since I've been this happy with a camera! Pics in due course. That is all. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/12/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Concerning modes: I have taken to setting the resolution to fine (12 MP) and the internal EXR setting to either High ISO/Low noise or improved DR. I then leave it on P (or A) most of the time for full resolution and flick to EXR for bad lighting, which changes to the 6 MP pixel-binning mode. It's a quick way to do business. Cl. Nice tip, thanks! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is such a great report, I went to the Fuji web site to give a closer look-see to the camera and then to B H to the check price. If I find myself in the market for such a camera, I shall certainly consider your report, Cotty. Thanks much! Cheers, Christine On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Cotty wrote: For those who might be interested, here's a little progress report with first impressions of the Fuji X10. After opening the box - wow. Quality feel to it. Smth. Very black, very small. Size and weight reminds me of Leica CL, but resemblance ends there. It looks just like a flippin film camera of days gone by but in fact full of gizmotech. No strap going on this - no need. It fits in my pockets! First things first - the viewfinder is essential for me, so does it work? Emphatic yes! Phew - it passes the biggest hurdle. Not as nice as the X100 or any Leica, or even the Epson R-D1, but yes, I can easily see through it and it's actually not bad at all. Later I test the 'WYSIWYG' by looking through and comparing a shot. 85% coverage seems accurate. The pics are slightly wider than as seen. Easy to compensate for and actually better that way round - more room for error on the edges. Feel and ease of use - menus are quirky and not the easiest to figger out but I get there and still haven't looked at the manual. Settings stay locked to each operation mode and not global (P, A ,S, M) so if I set M (Manual) for 200 ISO and whatever else, when I switch back to P (Program) it goes back to the settings I used previously for that, say 800 Auto ISO and whatever else I set previously. Means I can set up M for things like landscapes and leave P for parties and grabs, S for high shutter speed shit and A for arty street shooting ;-) Whatever. Things I was interested to see that people had mentioned: Specular highlights - shit a brick! What's all the fuss about?? I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read the doom and gloom! Tried a few shots with highlights in and a complete waste of time bothering about it! I didn't buy the camera to pixel peep with - I bought it because it has a way better optical viewfinder than the Canon G12. What a relief. And Fooj are working on a fix so wtf. Parallax error - easy - close ups, just use the rear LCD. Everything else - non event. Finder is very good. For critical focus applications use rear LCD. End of. Mechanical operation - so far everything works, camera switches on and off as designed - very fast power up - in 'normal' - from switching on to 'alive' just over 1 second. In 'quick start' mode - almost instantaneous - my guess would be 2/10ths of a second. The rotating lens barrel for switch on is interesting and geared for shooting from cold. Nice. Shooting with it - fantastic. I preferred the articulated screen (and hence being able to fold away so can't bee seen) of the G12 or even the Epson R-D1 but hey. The rear LCD is visible from any angle - amazed at that. On the whole I tend not to use the rear LCD of any camera for composing - hence why I wanted a usable optical viewfinder. I would have liked Bob's X100 but for the restriction on the lens. The zoom range on the X10 isn't stellar but it suits my needs. The low light night shots are fantastic. Very impressed. To sum up - as Steve (Of The Gardens) said - it's been a long time since I've been this happy with a camera! Pics in due course. That is all. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/12/11, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: This is such a great report, I went to the Fuji web site to give a closer look-see to the camera and then to B H to the check price. If I find myself in the market for such a camera, I shall certainly consider your report, Cotty. Thanks much! Cheers, Christine That's very kind of you to say. I'll try and keep them coming. Whenever I read 'official' reports, they give you a good grounding of all the stuff you'd expect to read, but then I like to read the quirky stuff - the stuff you couldn't even begin to think of questions about. And also the stuff that the 'reviewers' obviously don't think are important enough for us everyday people to read. I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. By that I mean it might be easy to get blase about minor detail that actually can be the deal breaker for someone. Anyway thanks :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Cotty wrote: On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' I just figured you were barking mad. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. Don't pine for me, Argentina ... -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. Seemed appropriate then. ]'-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Den 21. des. 2011 kl. 22:37 skrev Bob W: On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? Believe me I would pour my heart out to you -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? Believe me I would pour my heart out to you But I would knot, its against my grain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? Believe me I would pour my heart out to you But I would knot, its against my grain. I won't lumber you with any more puns. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 21, 2011, at 13:55 , DagT wrote: Den 21. des. 2011 kl. 22:37 skrev Bob W: On 21/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: I think this is because people who spend their lives reviewing cameras are a bit like any professional at any profession - you can get to the point where you can't see the woof for the trees. Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? Either way it's hard, to get your trousers on, and the zipper up. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis Sorry - I'm dog tired. should be 'wood' don't worry, we all got wood. could you be more concrete? Believe me I would pour my heart out to you But I would knot, its against my grain. I won't lumber you with any more puns. You must be board. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Santa stopped by on his way to the North Pole and told me I've been a good little boy so I could have one of my presents early :) It's the same height/thickness as an MX. I'm v happy. Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I hate focus confirmation beeps so that will be immediately turned off. So how to know focus has locked with no sound and not using the rear LCD? Easy! There's a multiple function light right next to the viewfinder eyepiece - and crucially fully visible by the eye even when jammed up against the viewfinder without glasses on. It glows solid green with focus lock. Of course there's no way of knowing what it might have focussed *on* (without examining rear LCD) but that remains to be seen. Battery charging now. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh yes, I can confirm that the whole viewfinder image is fully visible while wearing glasses. As it happens I tend not to wear glasses while shooting stills, but there you are. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Frank, look away now. This reminds me **so** much of the Leica CL. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tight fit but goes in my Levi 501s front or back pockets :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: A friend of mine has been using it intensively for more than one month now. Pros: - Very low noise, - Unbelievable wide dynamic range, - Excellent exposure, even in critical situations. Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), - White dish effect on bright spots. Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. Dario Thanks Dario! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: Santa stopped by on his way to the North Pole and told me I've been a good little boy so I could have one of my presents early :) woo hoo! the focus confirmation light sounds to be the same as using the GXR with an AF camera unit and optical finder, or the Leica X1 with optical finder. It works very well. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was just cruising the Fuji website to see the X10, Cotty, and this line from the X10 pages jumped out at me: The most distinctive feature developed specifically for the X10 is its manual barrel zoom ring. Rotating the zoom ring recreates the experience of using a single-lens reflex camera, igniting your desire to take pictures. I nearly bust a gut laughing. Hate to tell you this, Fuji Marketing Droid, but turning a zoom ring was never something that ignited my desire to take pictures. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. Nope. It's not a hybrid viewfinder and doesn't have any overlays. The X10 manual says it pretty explicitly: No information is displayed. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've had mine about two weeks. It's not perfect, of course, but it does a great job for such a small camera. The lens is fast and a nice zoom range. The EXR mode is very useful. The camera will drop its resolution from 12 to 6 MP and use extra pixels to improve high iso noise or DR. The last 10 shots on this page were taken with the X10: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1444893114_F2JhRGZ Oddly, having such a nice small camera has made me more likely to keep my DSLR and not expand into micro 43. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. Nope. It's not a hybrid viewfinder and doesn't have any overlays. The X10 manual says it pretty explicitly: No information is displayed. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The white circle problem is actually worst at low iso, like 100. It gets better as the iso goes up. You can see some of them if you zoom in on this one: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1638663267_CKhHhmV It just hasn't been a big problem for me, but I can see how it could be annoying depending on what subjects you favor. The other problem I have noticed is that the AF sometimes just misses and you need to hit the half-depress again. Not often but it does happen. The PF article complained about the handling but you get used to it's quirks pretty quickly, just not fast enough to write a review ;-) One confusing thing at first is that the maximum Tv of the leaf shutter changes with modes. I should point out that it's been a long time since i've been this happy with a camera. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I've had mine about two weeks. It's not perfect, of course, but it does a great job for such a small camera. The lens is fast and a nice zoom range. The EXR mode is very useful. The camera will drop its resolution from 12 to 6 MP and use extra pixels to improve high iso noise or DR. The last 10 shots on this page were taken with the X10: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1444893114_F2JhRGZ Oddly, having such a nice small camera has made me more likely to keep my DSLR and not expand into micro 43. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. Nope. It's not a hybrid viewfinder and doesn't have any overlays. The X10 manual says it pretty explicitly: No information is displayed. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/12/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I've had mine about two weeks. You little closet X10 owner you! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A nice set of pics. The cat shot is superb. But I wonder how Fuji could release a camera with an easily recognizable problem. We fault Pentax for quality control, but at least they don't commit major engineering flubs like this. Paul On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The white circle problem is actually worst at low iso, like 100. It gets better as the iso goes up. You can see some of them if you zoom in on this one: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1638663267_CKhHhmV It just hasn't been a big problem for me, but I can see how it could be annoying depending on what subjects you favor. The other problem I have noticed is that the AF sometimes just misses and you need to hit the half-depress again. Not often but it does happen. The PF article complained about the handling but you get used to it's quirks pretty quickly, just not fast enough to write a review ;-) One confusing thing at first is that the maximum Tv of the leaf shutter changes with modes. I should point out that it's been a long time since i've been this happy with a camera. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I've had mine about two weeks. It's not perfect, of course, but it does a great job for such a small camera. The lens is fast and a nice zoom range. The EXR mode is very useful. The camera will drop its resolution from 12 to 6 MP and use extra pixels to improve high iso noise or DR. The last 10 shots on this page were taken with the X10: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1444893114_F2JhRGZ Oddly, having such a nice small camera has made me more likely to keep my DSLR and not expand into micro 43. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. Nope. It's not a hybrid viewfinder and doesn't have any overlays. The X10 manual says it pretty explicitly: No information is displayed. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've read that the WC problem may be intrinsic to the current incarnation of the EXR sensor and that firmware will never completely fix it. I know I should be more bothered by this but it just hasn't been a big problem. I suspect my first problem with it may arise during our trip to Disney in two weeks because of the range of lighting. OTOH, I saw an X-10 set from Disney on another forum and he had only one firework shot give him trouble. Of course, it can often be cloned out it needed. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A nice set of pics. The cat shot is superb. But I wonder how Fuji could release a camera with an easily recognizable problem. We fault Pentax for quality control, but at least they don't commit major engineering flubs like this. Paul On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The white circle problem is actually worst at low iso, like 100. It gets better as the iso goes up. You can see some of them if you zoom in on this one: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1638663267_CKhHhmV It just hasn't been a big problem for me, but I can see how it could be annoying depending on what subjects you favor. The other problem I have noticed is that the AF sometimes just misses and you need to hit the half-depress again. Not often but it does happen. The PF article complained about the handling but you get used to it's quirks pretty quickly, just not fast enough to write a review ;-) One confusing thing at first is that the maximum Tv of the leaf shutter changes with modes. I should point out that it's been a long time since i've been this happy with a camera. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I've had mine about two weeks. It's not perfect, of course, but it does a great job for such a small camera. The lens is fast and a nice zoom range. The EXR mode is very useful. The camera will drop its resolution from 12 to 6 MP and use extra pixels to improve high iso noise or DR. The last 10 shots on this page were taken with the X10: http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#1444893114_F2JhRGZ Oddly, having such a nice small camera has made me more likely to keep my DSLR and not expand into micro 43. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Some things nobody tells you. The optical viewfinder has no information in it other than the view. I should say that I knew that info above - I was referring to the green focus light. Poor writing. you probably can get information in the optical finder, at least if it works like the X100. Nope. It's not a hybrid viewfinder and doesn't have any overlays. The X10 manual says it pretty explicitly: No information is displayed. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We all have our secrets. I clearly need more interesting ones. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 20/12/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I've had mine about two weeks. You little closet X10 owner you! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: We all have our secrets. I clearly need more interesting ones. MARK! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist A nice set of pics. The cat shot is superb. But I wonder how Fuji could release a camera with an easily recognizable problem. We fault Pentax for quality control, but at least they don't commit major engineering flubs like this. Paul they're taking the Leica-clone thing to extremes. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: ... As I understand it, the problem is not just the approximation, but the combination between approximation and parallax error, so that you cannot really know what will show up in your picture. I understand my friend's disappointment on this, as I recall the same bad feeling when using the M9 with 21mm lens without a proper viewfinder. And you don't have the option to use the LCD for framing. Ok, we are not discussing a high-end camera here, but... 75% coverage! And someone (not me) calls a drawback 95% coverage in some DLSR's. BTW, I find 95% to be ideal and even better than 100%, because it gives you that little extra for recovering a tilted horizon or the like. But 75% is a completely different matter. ... These are not SLRs. With experience using a tunnel optical viewfinder like this, you get to know where the focus point is without thinking about it. You learn to shoot a little tighter and know what the lens is seeing. It was always like this with RF cameras: you look at the viewfinder as a framing aid, but it's only approximate at best. You see through the camera and engage your subject, you don't look into the camera and see an image. An EVF gives 100% coverage and precise framing, allows heads-up histogram and exposure information, permits extensive focusing aids, etc etc ... so there are definitely benefits for some kinds of work. I use them both, exploiting their best advantages as appropriate to my subject matter. I like the option of using either OVF or EVF that the GXR affords. Good for you. For some reason, I'm not a big fan of the GXR concept. However, not having tried it, I keep my opinion on hold until I'll have a chance. I don't care so much about the GXR concept ... I like the GXR camera. Or cameras, if you understand how I see it: with the GXR I have three cameras—a fixed lens wide camera with 28mm EFL, a fixed lens normal 50mm EFL camera with 1:2 macro capabilities, and an APS-C camera which uses any SLR or M-Bayonet mount lens I want. All either TTL or with optical viewfinder, depending on the needs of the subject, and with the same excellent control ergonomics. If I wanted, I could add a point and shoot, image stabilized, zoom camera to the mix with either an ultra-zoom or mid-zoom camera unit. All compact, all very high quality. It's a very different camera from anything else on the market. But I'm completely aware that it's not for everyone. ... it is easier to do the same with the Leica M using the RF and an optical accessory finder because your head stays in about the same position where with an LCD I have to back my head off by about six inches to focus accurately. I've used a M9 for a couple weeks last year, and I've had enough of it. Just different priorities and tastes, and that's not a bad thing. For sure. I love pulling out the M4-2 and shooting with it. I just don't have time to do it as much as I'd like because of how much time it takes to deal with film processing and scanning. I just love the way it works, and want a digital M for when the M is my favorite choice. An M9 body is my next stop on this train. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/12/11, Evan Hanson, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm fascinated by the X10 and X100. I can't wait to hear your impressions. I can do a 747-400 at full throttle from a dead stop to V2 which isn't at all bad so some shutter clicks should be a doddle. -- ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. That would kill it for me Dario. The best EVF in the world is still a bucket of horse turds compare to optical for me. And in case you'd like to see the EVF i use every day, this is it: http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/sony_dxf-20w One thing I don't understand is: Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), Where does this originate? It sounds to me like people are taking this on without ever having used a rangefinder camera - hence not understanding parallax error. And not wanting to be pedantic, but I understand it's 85% coverage. The fact there is no information in the optical viewfinder is of no consequence to me. I plan to use it in either fully manual by zone focus, or fully automatic while pissed at parties. The highlights don't bother me - - yet. I'm buying the camera for fun and easy use - if I wanted quality I'd get a 1Dx or maybe even a K-5 ;-) http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4333175133/buyers-guide-enthusiast-raw- shooting-compact-cameras/3 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: Ok, we are not discussing a high-end camera here, but... 75% coverage! And someone (not me) calls a drawback 95% coverage in some DLSR's. BTW, I find 95% to be ideal and even better than 100%, because it gives you that little extra for recovering a tilted horizon or the like. But 75% is a completely different matter. 85% coverage http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x10/ specifications/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: That would kill it for me Dario. The best EVF in the world is still a bucket of horse turds compare to optical for me. And in case you'd like to see the EVF i use every day, this is it: http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/sony_dxf-20w OK, I accept a different point of view. I am aware of the EVF in my wife's Panasonic G2 and I'd like such a thing in a compact camera like the X10, instead of the rather erratic OVF it is equipped with. One thing I don't understand is: Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), Where does this originate? It sounds to me like people are taking this on without ever having used a rangefinder camera - hence not understanding parallax error. Sure, he never used a RF camera and he is mostly a SLR guy. But he understands parallax error and he used all kinds of cameras, from PS (including the venerable Ricoh 500G) to several digicams featuring optical viewfinders, including a Canon G9 (with OVF) that was his compact camera a few years ago. He then replaced it with a Panasonic LX3 (without OVF), now replaced by the X10 mainly because of that viewfinder that he ended up not liking so much. He was prepared to some parallax error, but he told me that the image you see in the viewfinder and the picture you get are so apart and unpredictable that you could well point the camera by eye, without even looking into the OVF, and get the same precision in framing. And not wanting to be pedantic, but I understand it's 85% coverage. My friend reported me 75%, but I see official specs tell 85%. Perhaps he was referring to the area covered by the viewfinder compared to the registered picture (you know, 85% x 85% linear means 72.5% surface), or perhaps he was just disappointed and reported a wrong info. Point taken. The fact there is no information in the optical viewfinder is of no consequence to me. I plan to use it in either fully manual by zone focus, or fully automatic while pissed at parties. Good for you. The highlights don't bother me - - yet. I'm buying the camera for fun and easy use - if I wanted quality I'd get a 1Dx or maybe even a K-5 ;-) ;-) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: That would kill it for me Dario. The best EVF in the world is still a bucket of horse turds compare to optical for me. And in case you'd like to see the EVF i use every day, this is it: http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/sony_dxf-20w That might be a tad large for a pocket camera. ]'-) Currently, the best EVF in still photography are the new OLED models for Sony NEX 5n and the built in one on the NEX 7. They're pretty nice, I'd love to have one like that for the GXR. But an EVF is not an optical viewfinder, totally different animal. One thing I don't understand is: - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), The fact there is no information in the optical viewfinder is of no consequence to me. +1 ... I plan to use it in either fully manual by zone focus, or fully automatic while pissed at parties. The natural state for great photographs. ];-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 07:39:21PM +, Cotty wrote: On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. That would kill it for me Dario. The best EVF in the world is still a bucket of horse turds compare to optical for me. And in case you'd like to see the EVF i use every day, this is it: http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/sony_dxf-20w Yikes! That takes me back to the day I purchased my first Pentax. There was I with my first paycheck from my first full-time job, standing in line at Leeds Camera Centre to buy my Spotmatic II (complete with the 50mm/f1.4 lens). I got a reality check when the person in front of me at the counter bought the right-angle viewfinder accessory for his Hasselblad; just that one item cost more than my camera and lens combined. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: ... I am aware of the EVF in my wife's Panasonic G2 and I'd like such a thing in a compact camera like the X10, instead of the rather erratic OVF it is equipped with. The NEX 7 would make you happy. The EVF in that one is excellent, makes the G2 EVF seem a little crude. I'm tempted by the NEX 7 ... I think Sony finally produced a NEX camera with a usable set of ergonomics there ... but I understand it has imaging problems with many of the shorter focal length RF lenses (color shifting and corner smearing) which is unacceptable to me. I have interest in it only as a body to use with my M-bayonet lenses, and it has to perform on par with the GXR for me to get involved. I don't think it's really worth the effort since the GXR does such a good job ... better to put the money away in my M9 fund. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: but he told me that the image you see in the viewfinder and the picture you get are so apart and unpredictable that you could well point the camera by eye, without even looking into the OVF, and get the same precision in framing. I would suggest there was a problem with his actual example rather than a design fault - this is the first I have seen of this anywhere! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've owned and used a number of rangefinders over the years, from moderately expensive and small (Leica CL) to less expensive and smaller (Minolta HiMatic E) to large and bulky (Yashica Electro 35). Never had a problem with parallax error although the CL's frame moves to compensate as you focus and quite frankly, what I used these cameras for didn't require such precise framing. I cannot, however, imagine a problem as bad as Dario's friend has that wouldn't indicate a camera problem. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Sent: December 19, 2011 12/19/11 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: but he told me that the image you see in the viewfinder and the picture you get are so apart and unpredictable that you could well point the camera by eye, without even looking into the OVF, and get the same precision in framing. I would suggest there was a problem with his actual example rather than a design fault - this is the first I have seen of this anywhere! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 19/12/11, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: but he told me that the image you see in the viewfinder and the picture you get are so apart and unpredictable that you could well point the camera by eye, without even looking into the OVF, and get the same precision in framing. I would suggest there was a problem with his actual example rather than a design fault - this is the first I have seen of this anywhere! I'm rather sure my friend put some extra emphasis in commenting an optical viewfinder much less useful than he was expecting, but I'm going to suggest to have it checked for possible misalignment. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/12/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I hope you enjoy the X10! Many folks seem to find it strikes just the right balance. Others have said they like it but there seem to be some imaging problems with specular reflections in some cases. I'll be curious to see what you think of it once you've been using it a bit. I have read the forums and understand the issues. Fuji are working on a firmware update, and in any event the highlights are visible only on images with a light source visible and when blown up to 100 % - however, I will be looking at that as a matter of priority. I am more worried about dust as any zoom lens breathes air in and out. One hopes that the sensor is in an area sealed off from this flow. I want a good point and shoot with manual override, good build quality and crucially a usable optical viewfinder - the X10 ticks all those boxes. I was wondering if I should wait for the LX10 which I gather will be effectively an X100 with interchangeable lenses. But that means a lot more money! I will also be using the camera for video in places too small for a TV camera, like mounted on a magic arm in a car etc. So the video function is pretty crucial. The fact the camera looks sweet and gives me a stonking great horn shouldn't be underestimated. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm fascinated by the X10 and X100. I can't wait to hear your impressions. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A friend of mine has been using it intensively for more than one month now. Pros: - Very low noise, - Unbelievable wide dynamic range, - Excellent exposure, even in critical situations. Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), - White dish effect on bright spots. Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. Dario - Original Message - From: Evan Hanson e.r.hanso...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis I'm fascinated by the X10 and X100. I can't wait to hear your impressions. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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it = Fujifilm X10 - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:36 PM Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis A friend of mine has been using it intensively for more than one month now. Pros: - Very low noise, - Unbelievable wide dynamic range, - Excellent exposure, even in critical situations. Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), - White dish effect on bright spots. Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. Dario - Original Message - From: Evan Hanson e.r.hanso...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: OT - Photographic Oasis I'm fascinated by the X10 and X100. I can't wait to hear your impressions. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.1890 / Database dei virus: 2108/4689 - Data di rilascio: 18/12/2011 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: A friend of mine has been using it intensively for more than one month now. Pros: - Very low noise, - Unbelievable wide dynamic range, - Excellent exposure, even in critical situations. Cons: - Viewfinder frames what it wants and not what you want (due to 75% coverage and parallax), - Viewfinder gives you no info (neither exposure data nor focus point), - White dish effect on bright spots. Main improvement suggested: get rid of that optical viewfinder and replace it with a good EVF a la Panasonic. A friend of mine got one of the first ones in California. He absolutely loves it ... except for the 'white dish' business. Like Cotty, (and me to some degree), he specifically didn't want an EVF and doesn't find the more approximate framing of the optical viewfinder a problem. I think that's the current great divide in this class of fixed-lens cameras. I like the option of using either OVF or EVF that the GXR affords. However, I decided to try working for a day with a 50mm lens and a matched optical viewfinder a couple of weeks ago ... focus on the LCD, frame and expose with the optical. It worked but was clumsy as hell ... it is easier to do the same with the Leica M using the RF and an optical accessory finder because your head stays in about the same position where with an LCD I have to back my head off by about six inches to focus accurately. The optical would work much better if the lens had AF and center-spot focusing pattern, once you figured out where the spot was. Conclusion: optical viewfinder for the AF 28 and 50, or with the Manual 21-28mm lenses, for non-critical framing work. EVF/LCD for any critical framing work or longer focal lengths. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: A friend of mine got one of the first ones in California. He absolutely loves it ... except for the 'white dish' business. Like Cotty, (and me to some degree), he specifically didn't want an EVF and doesn't find the more approximate framing of the optical viewfinder a problem. As I understand it, the problem is not just the approximation, but the combination between approximation and parallax error, so that you cannot really know what will show up in your picture. I understand my friend's disappointment on this, as I recall the same bad feeling when using the M9 with 21mm lens without a proper viewfinder. And you don't have the option to use the LCD for framing. Ok, we are not discussing a high-end camera here, but... 75% coverage! And someone (not me) calls a drawback 95% coverage in some DLSR's. BTW, I find 95% to be ideal and even better than 100%, because it gives you that little extra for recovering a tilted horizon or the like. But 75% is a completely different matter. I think that's the current great divide in this class of fixed-lens cameras. I agree. Since I'm more attracted by interchangeable lenses, I'm going to wait for such a camera by Fujifilm and then decide between getting it or replacing my GF1 with a GX1 (or even keeping the GF1, as I don't have so many occasions to shoot it). I love the Panasonic lenses I got so far and the EVF option is a plus for me. I like the option of using either OVF or EVF that the GXR affords. Good for you. For some reason, I'm not a big fan of the GXR concept. However, not having tried it, I keep my opinion on hold until I'll have a chance. ... it is easier to do the same with the Leica M using the RF and an optical accessory finder because your head stays in about the same position where with an LCD I have to back my head off by about six inches to focus accurately. I've used a M9 for a couple weeks last year, and I've had enough of it. Just different priorities and tastes, and that's not a bad thing. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I sold a video camera - so have some readies. Taking a chance but have ordered an X10 (the camera Pentax shoulda made ;-) I think my photographic wilderness is just coming to a close. I hope you enjoy the X10! Many folks seem to find it strikes just the right balance. Others have said they like it but there seem to be some imaging problems with specular reflections in some cases. I'll be curious to see what you think of it once you've been using it a bit. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Congrats and looking forward to the pictures. Cheers, Christine On Dec 18, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Cotty wrote: I sold a video camera - so have some readies. Taking a chance but have ordered an X10 (the camera Pentax shoulda made ;-) I think my photographic wilderness is just coming to a close. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
