Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
I was told at my pre meeting, that Ontario law provided me with 8 weeks in lou of notice, then up to 26 weeks depending on position and years of service.My manager asked if i would work the 8 weeks, on a relatively quiet survey, then he said he would add those 8 weeks to the deal. After that, and this is strictly up to the company but my firm does this, they add what they call, Lawyer money. They will add a specific number of additional weeks, again depending on service years and position.In my case another 18. If i decide i want more, and they dont think its a good deal, then the lawyers get involved and we all know who makes the money when that happens. Besides, its not uncommon for people to return to the company a year or so later when things turn around, so i don't want to burn any bridges. Its not quite what i heard from our payroll people, but its close enough. I'm going to ask if they'll cover benefits until Sept when i turn 55. I doubt it, but if you don't ask... I also have shares in the firm, so they will have to buy those back, and i have about 6-7 weeks vacation banked, so i;l get that to. Then its taxed. I have a few leads i can send resumes out to, surveyors that only work a few days a week, so i can atleast generate a bit of income. But i really am looking out side that, for a full change, school bus driver, maybe, crossing guard, who nows, Wlmart gretter.D'oh.:-) Dave Grrr Dave On 4/5/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received 40 weeks severance from BBDO after working there for ten years. (I did have to threaten them with a lawyer.) I got six weeks severance from my last employer. I worked there 18 months as a contractor and one year as a staff employee. It's not all that bad this side of the river. Paul On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Adam Maas wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. Thankfully, Canada has resisted becoming part of your glorious republic. (Dave is in Ontario) William Robb Actually, Canuck law is the same. 2 weeks, that's it. However it is traditional to give a better severance, and Canadian law basicly states that if you give some a good severance, the rest can sue for the same. -Adam 0 for 11 layoffs at WorldCom/MCI/VerizonBusiness/Whatever we're called this week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck, Dave! In this day and age, no 'job' lasts forever. Sorry gang but i;ll be shooting more Nikon now, since Pentax is not a Pro camera, i have to be a pro, i cannot afford to wait for metering linkage. LOL Harumph. Don't need no stinkin' metering linkage. Or was that for the Nikon? ;-) General humor LOL Dave G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
Hi Dave, Welcome to the ranks of the gainfully unemployed:-). Seriously, I hope this all works out for the best. Sometimes change has a way of making things better. Paul Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 5:24:31 PM, you wrote: DJB Well, the chat with the big boss finally happened today. I may have DJB mentioned that since we have the new(April 2006) CEO, the cowboy from DJB Calgary, that my old survey department here in Ontario was up for DJB major resturcture. DJB The old CEO was happy to get jobs that as long as we broke even and DJB kept people employeed, he was happy. DJB Well new dud says if we cant make tons of money, like we do here in DJB oil rich Alberta, its no longer worth bidding on these jobs. DJB Sooo, after 33 and a 1/3 years with the same company, the drafting DJB department in shambles, we are talking about the handshake. DJB I knew it was coming, just a suprise, but glad its out in the open now,. DJB I'll mostlikly will take it, i have untill after Vegas to decide, but DJB i'm pretty sure i can get parttime work with a few small surveyors i DJB know in the city. Thats all i want anyway. DJB Looks like i'll try and add more equestrian weekends so that shoulds help. DJB I stiil plan on taking the courses at Geoargan College for studio DJB lighting and the PS for photographers class as well. DJB Sorry gang but i;ll be shooting more Nikon now, since Pentax is not a DJB Pro camera, i have to be a pro, i cannot afford to wait for metering DJB linkage. DJB LOL DJB I'l also be attending GFM. That is a given. DJB Dave B DJB -- DJB Equine Photography DJB www.caughtinmotion.com DJB http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ DJB Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
Hi Dave. That sucks methinks. I cannot say how it is in US of A, but in Israel your severance package (right term?) would be enormous. The law has it that if a worker is fired he is to get a full (I repeat - full), monthly payment for each year he worked for the company. That's why they cannot privatize our Electric Company for example. They will have to fire some people but it will be huge sums of money. Be strong and I do hope that this change is actually for your benefit. Boris David J Brooks wrote: Well, the chat with the big boss finally happened today. I may have mentioned that since we have the new(April 2006) CEO, the cowboy from Calgary, that my old survey department here in Ontario was up for major resturcture. The old CEO was happy to get jobs that as long as we broke even and kept people employeed, he was happy. Well new dud says if we cant make tons of money, like we do here in oil rich Alberta, its no longer worth bidding on these jobs. Sooo, after 33 and a 1/3 years with the same company, the drafting department in shambles, we are talking about the handshake. I knew it was coming, just a suprise, but glad its out in the open now,. I'll mostlikly will take it, i have untill after Vegas to decide, but i'm pretty sure i can get parttime work with a few small surveyors i know in the city. Thats all i want anyway. Looks like i'll try and add more equestrian weekends so that shoulds help. I stiil plan on taking the courses at Geoargan College for studio lighting and the PS for photographers class as well. Sorry gang but i;ll be shooting more Nikon now, since Pentax is not a Pro camera, i have to be a pro, i cannot afford to wait for metering linkage. LOL I'l also be attending GFM. That is a given. Dave B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Well, the chat with the big boss finally happened today. Good luck for the future Dave. Will chat at GFM. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/5/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Well, the chat with the big boss finally happened today. Good luck for the future Dave. Will chat at GFM. Would it be better if i called you late at night then.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Boris Liberman Hi Dave. That sucks methinks. I cannot say how it is in US of A, but in Israel your severance package (right term?) would be enormous. I got the impression he was in Canada, not the USofA. Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. Thankfully, Canada has resisted becoming part of your glorious republic. (Dave is in Ontario) William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So for the longest time Canada was safe from democracy... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. Thankfully, Canada has resisted becoming part of your glorious republic. (Dave is in Ontario) William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 5/4/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Would it be better if i called you late at night then.:-) Only if Norm dials -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones So for the longest time Canada was safe from democracy... I'm thinking glass houses and thrown stones Peter. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. Thankfully, Canada has resisted becoming part of your glorious republic. (Dave is in Ontario) William Robb Actually, Canuck law is the same. 2 weeks, that's it. However it is traditional to give a better severance, and Canadian law basicly states that if you give some a good severance, the rest can sue for the same. -Adam 0 for 11 layoffs at WorldCom/MCI/VerizonBusiness/Whatever we're called this week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You have a Republic not a Democracy, we've got a Parliamentary Democracy. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: We have democracy, no one ever said we'd always like the results. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones So for the longest time Canada was safe from democracy... I'm thinking glass houses and thrown stones Peter. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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We have democracy, no one ever said we'd always like the results. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones So for the longest time Canada was safe from democracy... I'm thinking glass houses and thrown stones Peter. William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones We have democracy, no one ever said we'd always like the results. We have a thing called a Parliamentary Democracy. How it differs from Democratic Republic, I don't know. What's with you and your ongoing sniping at the Canadian political system? It's not like as if it's any worse than yours. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
I received 40 weeks severance from BBDO after working there for ten years. (I did have to threaten them with a lawyer.) I got six weeks severance from my last employer. I worked there 18 months as a contractor and one year as a staff employee. It's not all that bad this side of the river. Paul On Apr 5, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Adam Maas wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones Here in the states, he'll be lucky to get any severance package unless he's a CEO bailing out on his golden parachute. Thankfully, Canada has resisted becoming part of your glorious republic. (Dave is in Ontario) William Robb Actually, Canuck law is the same. 2 weeks, that's it. However it is traditional to give a better severance, and Canadian law basicly states that if you give some a good severance, the rest can sue for the same. -Adam 0 for 11 layoffs at WorldCom/MCI/VerizonBusiness/Whatever we're called this week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones I received 40 weeks severance from BBDO after working there for ten years. (I did have to threaten them with a lawyer.) I got six weeks severance from my last employer. I worked there 18 months as a contractor and one year as a staff employee. It's not all that bad this side of the river. We don't get the really good packages until you work for the government. Then it can be pretty sweet. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Actually we have a Requirement that each State be at minimum a Representative Republic. In reality all US States today are Representative Democracies, (a form of republic to be sure, but then so is a Parliamentary Democracy). In fact if a State decided to change it's constitution to that of a Parliamentary Democracy it could. The Federal Government was originally set up as a Federal Republic with each State defining how it's people were represented in State and Federal elections, with a minimum voting requirement for Federal Offices to be the same as the requirement of the most popularly elected body for the particular state. There are now so many federal mandates on voting rights that effectively the states have no real control over who votes, it's now a Federal mandate. The only elected official still not directly elected is the President. But then you can't say a Prime Minister is directly elected either, except from his own district. Adam Maas wrote: You have a Republic not a Democracy, we've got a Parliamentary Democracy. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: We have democracy, no one ever said we'd always like the results. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones So for the longest time Canada was safe from democracy... I'm thinking glass houses and thrown stones Peter. William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't know. I kind of thought that last statement of mine was damming the US government. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones We have democracy, no one ever said we'd always like the results. We have a thing called a Parliamentary Democracy. How it differs from Democratic Republic, I don't know. What's with you and your ongoing sniping at the Canadian political system? It's not like as if it's any worse than yours. William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's pretty much true here too. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT Down the road, kicking stones I received 40 weeks severance from BBDO after working there for ten years. (I did have to threaten them with a lawyer.) I got six weeks severance from my last employer. I worked there 18 months as a contractor and one year as a staff employee. It's not all that bad this side of the river. We don't get the really good packages until you work for the government. Then it can be pretty sweet. William Robb -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good luck, Dave! In this day and age, no 'job' lasts forever. Sorry gang but i;ll be shooting more Nikon now, since Pentax is not a Pro camera, i have to be a pro, i cannot afford to wait for metering linkage. LOL Harumph. Don't need no stinkin' metering linkage. Or was that for the Nikon? ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sorry to hear that. Hope things work out for the better! -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 5:24:31 PM, you wrote: DJB Well, the chat with the big boss finally happened today. I may have DJB mentioned that since we have the new(April 2006) CEO, the cowboy from DJB Calgary, that my old survey department here in Ontario was up for DJB major resturcture. DJB The old CEO was happy to get jobs that as long as we broke even and DJB kept people employeed, he was happy. DJB Well new dud says if we cant make tons of money, like we do here in DJB oil rich Alberta, its no longer worth bidding on these jobs. DJB Sooo, after 33 and a 1/3 years with the same company, the drafting DJB department in shambles, we are talking about the handshake. DJB I knew it was coming, just a suprise, but glad its out in the open now,. DJB I'll mostlikly will take it, i have untill after Vegas to decide, but DJB i'm pretty sure i can get parttime work with a few small surveyors i DJB know in the city. Thats all i want anyway. DJB Looks like i'll try and add more equestrian weekends so that shoulds help. DJB I stiil plan on taking the courses at Geoargan College for studio DJB lighting and the PS for photographers class as well. DJB Sorry gang but i;ll be shooting more Nikon now, since Pentax is not a DJB Pro camera, i have to be a pro, i cannot afford to wait for metering DJB linkage. DJB LOL DJB I'l also be attending GFM. That is a given. DJB Dave B DJB -- DJB Equine Photography DJB www.caughtinmotion.com DJB http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ DJB Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
