Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[John]

Sometimes you gotta' take what you can get.

On 8/9/2017 22:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

Now that you cut it out of context that's going to end up on the quotes
list.


Only if Mark were the sort to go for the easy cheap shot.




On 8/9/2017 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:


I've never managed to get any decent photos though.


I know the feeling.







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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[P. J. Alling]

You're right it really is.

On 8/9/2017 11:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

It is a thrilling event, isn't it?


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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:42 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:


I've been in the middle of the field where one of those took place,  a
couple of times.  You really can only distinguish the noise from the
closest balloon.  I've never managed to get any decent photos though.


On 8/3/2017 10:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote:


What a cool(u)rful event!

I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly
impressive, too.

Cheers,

Rick


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wrote:

The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
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2/mass-ascension
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It is a thrilling event, isn't it?


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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:42 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I've been in the middle of the field where one of those took place,  a
> couple of times.  You really can only distinguish the noise from the
> closest balloon.  I've never managed to get any decent photos though.
>
>
> On 8/3/2017 10:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>
>> What a cool(u)rful event!
>>
>> I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly
>> impressive, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
>>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/8/
>>> 2/mass-ascension
>>> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 mm F3.5-5.6 zoom
>>> Comments are always appreciated.
>>>
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

Now that you cut it out of context that's going to end up on the quotes
list.


Only if Mark were the sort to go for the easy cheap shot.




On 8/9/2017 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:


I've never managed to get any decent photos though.


I know the feeling.





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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[P. J. Alling]

Now that you cut it out of context that's going to end up on the quotes 
list.



On 8/9/2017 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:


I've never managed to get any decent photos though.


I know the feeling.



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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:


I've never managed to get any decent photos though.


I know the feeling.

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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[P. J. Alling]

I've been in the middle of the field where one of those took place,  a 
couple of times.  You really can only distinguish the noise from the 
closest balloon.  I've never managed to get any decent photos though.



On 8/3/2017 10:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

What a cool(u)rful event!

I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly impressive, 
too.

Cheers,

Rick



On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ann.

I hope things are going better for you now.

Dan

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 2:54 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I think it was pretty damn successful.. reminds me of the one in
> Albuquerque Richard and I went to in 1982 -
> Since it is mostly sky and balloons it could have been there as well as NJ
>
> ann
>
>
> On 8/4/2017 12:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Rick, Paul and Larry!
>>
>> There is not much noise in the spectators' area, but I'm sure it gets a
>> bit
>> noisy in the middle of the pack when they are all starting to inflate.
>>
>> There was a huge crowd, and a lot of balloons almost directly overhead,
>> since the wind was very weak.  I was trying to get one image to include as
>> many of the balloons as possible and still include a feeling for the size
>> and activity of the crowd.  This was not entirely successful, but it was
>> the most of each I was able to capture in the same frame.
>>
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>
>> What a cool(u)rful event!
>>>
>>> I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly
>>> impressive, too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 

>>> wrote:
>>>
 The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
 http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-

>>> pesos/2017/8/2/mass-ascension
>>>
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[ann sanfedele]

I think it was pretty damn successful.. reminds me of the one in 
Albuquerque Richard and I went to in 1982 -

Since it is mostly sky and balloons it could have been there as well as NJ

ann

On 8/4/2017 12:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Rick, Paul and Larry!

There is not much noise in the spectators' area, but I'm sure it gets a bit
noisy in the middle of the pack when they are all starting to inflate.

There was a huge crowd, and a lot of balloons almost directly overhead,
since the wind was very weak.  I was trying to get one image to include as
many of the balloons as possible and still include a feeling for the size
and activity of the crowd.  This was not entirely successful, but it was
the most of each I was able to capture in the same frame.


Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:


What a cool(u)rful event!

I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly
impressive, too.

Cheers,

Rick



On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-

pesos/2017/8/2/mass-ascension

K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 mm F3.5-5.6 zoom
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Rick, Paul and Larry!

There is not much noise in the spectators' area, but I'm sure it gets a bit
noisy in the middle of the pack when they are all starting to inflate.

There was a huge crowd, and a lot of balloons almost directly overhead,
since the wind was very weak.  I was trying to get one image to include as
many of the balloons as possible and still include a feeling for the size
and activity of the crowd.  This was not entirely successful, but it was
the most of each I was able to capture in the same frame.


Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> What a cool(u)rful event!
>
> I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly
> impressive, too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-
> pesos/2017/8/2/mass-ascension
> > K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 mm F3.5-5.6 zoom
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Larry Colen]

Nicely done.

Rick Womer wrote:

What a cool(u)rful event!

I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly impressive, 
too.

Cheers,

Rick



On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Paul Stenquist]

The Rapture! He had risen!

Paul via phone

> On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> What a cool(u)rful event! 
> 
> I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly impressive, 
> too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> The mass ascension at the New Jersey Festival of Ballooning:
>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/8/2/mass-ascension
>> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 mm F3.5-5.6 zoom
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Re: PESO: Mass ascension

[Rick Womer]

What a cool(u)rful event! 

I imagine that the roar of all of those propane burners is fairly impressive, 
too.

Cheers,

Rick


> On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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Re: PESO: Mass Ascension

[Christine Aguila]

That's a very funny photo, Dan!  Good one.  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO: Mass Ascension

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Thanks, Christine.

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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 That's a very funny photo, Dan!  Good one.  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO: Mass Ascension

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Dan, Elvis is gonna leave.  Excellent timing.  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: Mass Ascension

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Thanks, Bob.

I was trying to capture the excitement of the morning sky full of hot
air balloons while at the same time having some foreground interest.
This is the one that worked best for me.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dan, Elvis is gonna leave.  Excellent timing.  Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO: Mass Ascension

[John]

The people on the ground look a little burnt in, like the
saturation/exposure was pushed too far to get the balloons to show up
clearly in what is obviously a very unforgiving light.

In Photoshop I could mask that off with a layer mask so that the
exposure/saturation applied only to the balloons. There's probably a way
to do it in Lightroom as well, but someone else would have to tell what
it is.

On 8/6/2013 4:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Bob.

I was trying to capture the excitement of the morning sky full of hot
air balloons while at the same time having some foreground interest.
This is the one that worked best for me.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

Dan, Elvis is gonna leave.  Excellent timing.  Regards,  Bob S.

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