Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 1/5/12, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty's coming to Australia?!? I missed this entire thread?! When? Where? How?! Give me enough time and I get everywhere :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Norm has his phone number. Norm has everyone's phone number. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Sent: April 30, 2012 4/30/12 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! Promises, promises. Just make sure it's my *front* door. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Norm has his phone number. Norm has everyone's phone number. Cheers, frank Now you've done it. Dave What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Sent: April 30, 2012 4/30/12 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Norm has his phone number. Norm has everyone's phone number. Not everyone. Some of us are outside the Norm. Larry four sigma Colen -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Norm has his phone number. Norm has everyone's phone number. Not everyone. Some of us are outside the Norm. Norm has special powers, be afraid Dave Larry four sigma Colen -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Cotty's coming to Australia?!? I missed this entire thread?! When? Where? How?! Tan. Sent from my iPhone On 01/05/2012, at 7:46 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! Promises, promises. Just make sure it's my *front* door. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Don't believe everything you read on PDML, Tan ;-) ann On 4/30/2012 21:48, Tanya Love wrote: Cotty's coming to Australia?!? I missed this entire thread?! When? Where? How?! Tan. Sent from my iPhone On 01/05/2012, at 7:46 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Cotty wrote: On 29/4/12, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. Colen, it's only a matter of time before I knock on your door buddy!! Promises, promises. Just make sure it's my *front* door. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 27/4/12, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R-D1. No money! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R- D1. No money! shoplifting has a lot to be said for it! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 30 April 2012 04:10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R- D1. No money! shoplifting has a lot to be said for it! Don't want to encourage that...he could end up down here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/29/2012 7:06 PM, David Savage wrote: On 30 April 2012 04:10, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R- D1. No money! shoplifting has a lot to be said for it! Don't want to encourage that...he could end up down here. I don't think the English transport prisoners anymore, the EU has probably decided it's inhumane to send them to Australia. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 29, 2012, at 4:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 4/29/2012 7:06 PM, David Savage wrote: On 30 April 2012 04:10, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R- D1. No money! shoplifting has a lot to be said for it! Don't want to encourage that...he could end up down here. I don't think the English transport prisoners anymore, the EU has probably decided it's inhumane to send them to Australia. I'm certain they'd agree that sending Cotty to Australia would be inhumane. The only question is, for who?. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Interesting!I can see a wedding photog not wanting to give a wannabe her shots... can you imagine Cousin Ed putting your wedding photos, framed/posed by the photog, but shot by Ed over her shoulder, on his website? Or maybe it's just a crowd-control thing... Enforcement could be one of those unpleasantries that nobody wants on their wedding day... I think it's more to stop people from buying an enlargement of Cousin Ed's photo instead of hers. Even though you should want at least a few of her prints after paying for her services for the day. She had plenty of company when taking the family group shots but it was too cold for anyone to follow us around the grounds for the couple photos, especially when there was free booze inside. Are you a newlywed, Dave? Congrats best wishes! Thanks, but where have you been?!? ;) We were married on the 3rd of March after getting engaged on new years day. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/28/2012 09:42, David Mann wrote: Thanks, but where have you been?!? ;) We were married on the 3rd of March after getting engaged on new years day. I've been in stepped out state. So please accept my belated greetings! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/27/2012 16:47, David J Brooks wrote: One more reason i took my D200 to my daughters wedding. The second photographer's SB800 died and i lent him mine. Two more reasons i took my D200 to my daughters wedding, i had my pic's up for them to see the next morning, it took the hired gun just under 11 months to get them their photos. Dave I don't think that any local wedding won't have a deadline date written down in their agreement with the production (video + stills) crew. Here such a delay as 11 months would probably get to news or something. This is outrageous. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, but where have you been?!? ;) We were married on the 3rd of March after getting engaged on new years day. Good question!! It doesn't pay to be an intermittent lurker -- you miss all the important stuff! Nice going, you crazy kids. :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/27/2012 16:47, David J Brooks wrote: One more reason i took my D200 to my daughters wedding. The second photographer's SB800 died and i lent him mine. Two more reasons i took my D200 to my daughters wedding, i had my pic's up for them to see the next morning, it took the hired gun just under 11 months to get them their photos. Dave I don't think that any local wedding won't have a deadline date written down in their agreement with the production (video + stills) crew. Here such a delay as 11 months would probably get to news or something. This is outrageous. He is also a student, and he said it would be about 2-3 months, which they seemed happy with, but the war department and i were a bit miffed at 3 months. His shots were good, but they looked over processed to me, that Barbi skin look if you know what i mean. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/26/2012 9:51 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: . They always got a tap on the shoulder and a very direct suggestion in regard to where they should go. Canada.?? That depends, just how close is Canada to H3ll? Dave Paul On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsench...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/27/2012 08:11, Adam Montoya wrote: At my Uncle's third wedding, i brought along my DSLR just to take some test shots and what not (2006 with my *ist DL). Only had the camera a few days so i wanted to play with the high iso (3200) in a poor lighting situation. Big mistake. Found out afterwords they they hadn't hired a pro, and that my noisy photo of them making the first kiss was the only photo of that from the ceremony. So lesson from the story, yeah bring the camera. You don't know if all the other cameras will die horrible deaths at an inopportune time and you'll have play the role of the photographing superhero. -Adam I am yet to be invited to the wedding where no photog was present. Yet, I always make a point to my friends who invite me that I am not going to try to deliver any special or definite photographic content. That is, I am going to be snapping around and if anything comes through, I'd be glad to give it to them. No promises made. As far as I can tell from my own wedding and from those that I've been invited to, I wouldn't want to be the official photog - too much pressure and work. No offense here to those who do shoot weddings - it is just that *I* don't think I could do it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I wouldn't take a DSLR to a wedding ceremony anymore. Then again I wouldn't take a DSLR to most places now for anything. If I did go to a wedding, I'd take my X10 which has become my go anywhere/ do anything camera. Its only weakness is at the long end of the bottle but for everything else (including fill in flash) it's continually astonishing me. The macro facility is simply superb. That said it's effectively a point and shoot and so I work within those limits - limits I wanted. If I did go to a wedding it would be the perfect companion for me. Big cameras mean big attention. The X10 is perfect for candids and I use it like that all the time. The viewfinder is very useful, but for covert shooting the rear LCD works well. I note of interest that a sensor-swap programme is about to commence and although I haven't been troubled by the white orbs I may well investigate that particular avenue of delight. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty I wouldn't take a DSLR to a wedding ceremony anymore. Then again I wouldn't take a DSLR to most places now for anything. If I did go to a wedding, I'd take my X10 which has become my go anywhere/ do anything camera. Its only weakness is at the long end of the bottle but for everything else (including fill in flash) it's continually astonishing me. The macro facility is simply superb. That said it's effectively a point and shoot and so I work within those limits - limits I wanted. [...] have you thought about the XPro-1 yet? It's a good-looking camera, interchangeable lenses, and could well be a good successor to the R-D1. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Boris, your take on this thread has been very well said and is mine as well. Jack From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:26 AM Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... On 4/27/2012 08:11, Adam Montoya wrote: At my Uncle's third wedding, i brought along my DSLR just to take some test shots and what not (2006 with my *ist DL). Only had the camera a few days so i wanted to play with the high iso (3200) in a poor lighting situation. Big mistake. Found out afterwords they they hadn't hired a pro, and that my noisy photo of them making the first kiss was the only photo of that from the ceremony. So lesson from the story, yeah bring the camera. You don't know if all the other cameras will die horrible deaths at an inopportune time and you'll have play the role of the photographing superhero. -Adam I am yet to be invited to the wedding where no photog was present. Yet, I always make a point to my friends who invite me that I am not going to try to deliver any special or definite photographic content. That is, I am going to be snapping around and if anything comes through, I'd be glad to give it to them. No promises made. As far as I can tell from my own wedding and from those that I've been invited to, I wouldn't want to be the official photog - too much pressure and work. No offense here to those who do shoot weddings - it is just that *I* don't think I could do it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
One more reason i took my D200 to my daughters wedding. The second photographer's SB800 died and i lent him mine. Two more reasons i took my D200 to my daughters wedding, i had my pic's up for them to see the next morning, it took the hired gun just under 11 months to get them their photos. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/25/2012 11:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: I may be asked never to bring a camera to another wedding. The only one I've ever photographed (a couple of months ago as a favor to the bride and groom, both longtime friends of mine) didn't even survive the honeymoon and was annulled within a week. Damn! I should have had you photography my wedding. It would have saved me nearly a year of grief. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I wish there were some way I could guarantee that success rate. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: On 4/25/2012 11:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: I may be asked never to bring a camera to another wedding. The only one I've ever photographed (a couple of months ago as a favor to the bride and groom, both longtime friends of mine) didn't even survive the honeymoon and was annulled within a week. Damn! I should have had you photography my wedding. It would have saved me nearly a year of grief. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est I wish there were some way I could guarantee that success rate. There is, take photos at your own wedding(s). -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I usually will take a DSLR to a wedding, but will not try to copy what the pro is doing, and I will always try to be conscious of not stealing his shot. On one occasion the few shots I took were the only half-way decent ones taken on the day! I think if you are courteous and considerate of the pro, the other guests and the location's rules it is ok. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Nielsen Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 5:48 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Christine Nielsen wrote: I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. My take on the issue: You should bring your camera. Be discreet and base your amount of discreet on how many other people (if any) are taking photos. If it's just you and the hired photographer then you can really go for it; if there are a dozen people with cameras snapping away (especially of they're using loud cameras or - gag - flash) you should cool it. I expect the matter of scaling is the main reason guests are discouraged from taking photos - if one guest does it there's no problem but if a dozen do it could be awful. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
My reaction is the opposite. If a few others are using their cameras (especially if SLR's) I might discretely join their ranks, but only as my seating position permits. I would definitely not, however, think of becoming the only guest photographer. Actually, I'd be surprised if I found myself there with an SLR. Jack - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Christine Nielsen wrote: I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. My take on the issue: You should bring your camera. Be discreet and base your amount of discreet on how many other people (if any) are taking photos. If it's just you and the hired photographer then you can really go for it; if there are a dozen people with cameras snapping away (especially of they're using loud cameras or - gag - flash) you should cool it. I expect the matter of scaling is the main reason guests are discouraged from taking photos - if one guest does it there's no problem but if a dozen do it could be awful. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Thanks! The father-daughter dance gets me every time. (sniff!) :) -c On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Btw, nice shot! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net Sent: April 25, 2012 4/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: . They always got a tap on the shoulder and a very direct suggestion in regard to where they should go. Canada.?? Dave Paul On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I got married once. It was about (OMG!) 33 years ago. My fiancee (soon-to-be-wife and now ex-wife) and I both agreed no photos in the church. Hey, I may be an atheist (okay, for those hair-splitters among you I'm an atheistic agnostic) but I ~do~ have a sense of sacred and I just don't think it's appropriate or respectful to be snapping away in a church during what is supposed to be, after all, a pious ceremony. That is way i bought the Gary Fong Halo sphere for my up coming weeding shoot. Dave We had a Real Wedding Photographer (who did a great job, btw) who was a bit miffed, and after some discussion we decided to allow photos (by everyone) in the church during the signing of the register only. Hey, we got photos taken before the ceremony, immediately after, at a park setting during the time between church and reception, then finally at the reception. We figured that was enough. Happily everyone respected our no photos in the church request. And we still got a lovely bunch of wedding photos, which have long outlived the marriage. ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Sent: April 25, 2012 4/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Christine, I don't think it was the bride's idea for no pictures...all from the preacher. I've seen few who were so rigid. Only Rabbi's in the sanctuary. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:16 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: If i don't bring a camera to weddings people think i don't like them/:-) Oh, it not that, of course! You're just ugly. Fine, next time we are at GFM, i won't scare the bears away from your tent area, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: My take on the issue: You should bring your camera. Be discreet and base your amount of discreet on how many other people (if any) are taking photos. If it's just you and the hired photographer then you can really go for it; if there are a dozen people with cameras snapping away (especially of they're using loud cameras or - gag - flash) you should cool it. I expect the matter of scaling is the main reason guests are discouraged from taking photos - if one guest does it there's no problem but if a dozen do it could be awful. I do think discretion is the key... For me, I'm not comfortable being in the pews with a big rig (dslr + flash)... and I think it's borderline ridiculous to be trying to get over the crowd shots of the altar with an iPhone from the back rows... in both cases, too much photography is a distraction disrespectful, imho. But, there's a place for guests' cameras at (most) weddings... there has to be. Especially during the reception, I think everyone likes to get those happy snaps of friends family. In which case, like Frank said, wouldn't it be nice to have a smaller, high-quality camera for the occasion? :) Although, I have to say I was impressed with even some of the cameraphone results I saw on facebook... I guess that's part of the equation, too -- what is the final destination of those pics? If it's fb, then the dslr is probably overkill. But, if you would like to create some memorable images for the family album, then the iphone probably won't cut it. I will admit, the notion that you could potentially save the day, if properly equipped, when the pro turns out to be a moron, or has an unfortunate accident... that's appealing. :) Thanks to all who responded to my informal survey! -c -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I read our wedding photographer's contract the other day and she asks that any guest with a DSLR must shoot at a different angle from her own shots. I don't know how strict she'd be about enforcing it. Interesting!I can see a wedding photog not wanting to give a wannabe her shots... can you imagine Cousin Ed putting your wedding photos, framed/posed by the photog, but shot by Ed over her shoulder, on his website? Or maybe it's just a crowd-control thing... Enforcement could be one of those unpleasantries that nobody wants on their wedding day... Are you a newlywed, Dave? Congrats best wishes! :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I take my DSLR, but try to be an unobtrusive as possible. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
That's sad. From: Derby Chang Reminds me of this http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/23/couple-pays-750-for-the-worst-wedding-photos-ever/ On 26/04/2012 7:21 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
From: Christine Nielsen On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Something I learned in school is that churches have policies for wedding photography. Most of them do not allow *flash* photography during the ceremony, but a few do not want *ANY* photography during the ceremony. The church can't always enforce their policies against the guests, but the paid photographer has to abide by the church's rules or chance being barred from shooting there again. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
From: Paul Stenquist When I was shooting weddings, I generally didn't mind guest snappers, as long as they didn't use flash. But flashers can screw up exposures, so I would usually buttonhole those types and ask them to put the flash away. I've also run into a few snappers who wouldn't hesitate to step right in front of me. They always got a tap on the shoulder and a very direct suggestion in regard to where they should go. Paul Sic the bride's mama on 'em. If she's busy keeping people out of your way, she won't be in your way either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
The worst I've seen was at a wedding 29 years ago. The photographer set-up strobes on light stands for alter shots after the wedding. Whenever anyone with a Point-n-Shoot took a flash shot (always, film was slow), they tripped all the slaves on the strobes. The photographer was expensive and snooty, but I felt a bit sorry for him as the strobes continued to recycle. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:40 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I read our wedding photographer's contract the other day and she asks that any guest with a DSLR must shoot at a different angle from her own shots. I don't know how strict she'd be about enforcing it. Interesting! I can see a wedding photog not wanting to give a wannabe her shots... can you imagine Cousin Ed putting your wedding photos, framed/posed by the photog, but shot by Ed over her shoulder, on his website? Or maybe it's just a crowd-control thing... Enforcement could be one of those unpleasantries that nobody wants on their wedding day... Are you a newlywed, Dave? Congrats best wishes! :) -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
From: Larry Colen On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: I may be asked never to bring a camera to another wedding. The only one I've ever photographed (a couple of months ago as a favor to the bride and groom, both longtime friends of mine) didn't even survive the honeymoon and was annulled within a week. Damn! I should have had you photography my wedding. It would have saved me nearly a year of grief. Thinking back on it, I have no idea what happened to the photos from my wedding. Maybe my EX took them with her when she took off? The photographer was the local AP stringer for Raleigh, North Carolina. He was also the official photographer for the state government - took all the grip grins for the Governor and other big-wigs. My future ex-wife worked down the hall from his office. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I'd be comfortable totin' an SLR (plus flash) at the typical outdoor reception. Jack - Original Message - From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: My take on the issue: You should bring your camera. Be discreet and base your amount of discreet on how many other people (if any) are taking photos. If it's just you and the hired photographer then you can really go for it; if there are a dozen people with cameras snapping away (especially of they're using loud cameras or - gag - flash) you should cool it. I expect the matter of scaling is the main reason guests are discouraged from taking photos - if one guest does it there's no problem but if a dozen do it could be awful. I do think discretion is the key... For me, I'm not comfortable being in the pews with a big rig (dslr + flash)... and I think it's borderline ridiculous to be trying to get over the crowd shots of the altar with an iPhone from the back rows... in both cases, too much photography is a distraction disrespectful, imho. But, there's a place for guests' cameras at (most) weddings... there has to be. Especially during the reception, I think everyone likes to get those happy snaps of friends family. In which case, like Frank said, wouldn't it be nice to have a smaller, high-quality camera for the occasion? :) Although, I have to say I was impressed with even some of the cameraphone results I saw on facebook... I guess that's part of the equation, too -- what is the final destination of those pics? If it's fb, then the dslr is probably overkill. But, if you would like to create some memorable images for the family album, then the iphone probably won't cut it. I will admit, the notion that you could potentially save the day, if properly equipped, when the pro turns out to be a moron, or has an unfortunate accident... that's appealing. :) Thanks to all who responded to my informal survey! -c -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
When I was shooting weddings I *ALWAYS* asked whoever was conducting the wedding what their rules/preferences were regarding photographing during the ceremony. To a person, they were grateful I had enough respect to ask and comply with their wishes. The policies ran the gamut from If I see you taking any photos during the ceremony I will stop the ceremony and tell you to stop. to As long as you don't climb up on the altar behind me you're free to do what you think best. -p On 4/26/2012 9:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Something I learned in school is that churches have policies for wedding photography. Most of them do not allow *flash* photography during the ceremony, but a few do not want *ANY* photography during the ceremony. The church can't always enforce their policies against the guests, but the paid photographer has to abide by the church's rules or chance being barred from shooting there again. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
That worst wedding photos link pointed me to this, which is actually quite good: http://www.petapixel.com/2011/12/12/wedding-photography-from-a-cameras-point-of-view/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: When I was shooting weddings I *ALWAYS* asked whoever was conducting the wedding what their rules/preferences were regarding photographing during the ceremony. To a person, they were grateful I had enough respect to ask and comply with their wishes. The policies ran the gamut from If I see you taking any photos during the ceremony I will stop the ceremony and tell you to stop. to As long as you don't climb up on the altar behind me you're free to do what you think best. Flash was allowed at our daughters wedding in the church, but just for the hired gun. However the grooms aunt, was video taping for the family back in the Philippines, and was walking all over the alter and up and down as the Father sat in his chair and conducted prayers etc. It was, well i don't know what it was, but the Priest gave her some wonderful expressions.:-) Dave -p On 4/26/2012 9:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Something I learned in school is that churches have policies for wedding photography. Most of them do not allow *flash* photography during the ceremony, but a few do not want *ANY* photography during the ceremony. The church can't always enforce their policies against the guests, but the paid photographer has to abide by the church's rules or chance being barred from shooting there again. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 4/25/2012 22:48, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I would indicate that I /could/ bring my camera and take some shots. If they ask me to do so, I would make sure from the start that I am not going to be in the way of the official photog. Usually an exchange of few sentences with the photog would do it and of course I would have to watch my step. It usually takes me about an hour after the event to process my stuff and given that almost everyone has an e-mail, I can send them the web size previews. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/25/2012 22:48, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I would indicate that I /could/ bring my camera and take some shots. If they ask me to do so, I would make sure from the start that I am not going to be in the way of the official photog. Usually an exchange of few sentences with the photog would do it and of course I would have to watch my step. It usually takes me about an hour after the event to process my stuff and given that almost everyone has an e-mail, I can send them the web size previews. At my Uncle's third wedding, i brought along my DSLR just to take some test shots and what not (2006 with my *ist DL). Only had the camera a few days so i wanted to play with the high iso (3200) in a poor lighting situation. Big mistake. Found out afterwords they they hadn't hired a pro, and that my noisy photo of them making the first kiss was the only photo of that from the ceremony. So lesson from the story, yeah bring the camera. You don't know if all the other cameras will die horrible deaths at an inopportune time and you'll have play the role of the photographing superhero. -Adam -- http://www.mountainfort.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Christine, I always take my camera and shoot photos. I stay out of the hired photographer's way and often shoot from the pews or background. I usually put the best shots up on Picasa and send the link to the bride and groom. Mothers of the BG often love the quick feedback. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 25, 2012, at 14:48, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? Yes. Used sparingly and appropriately (ie, don't get in the way of the pro doing the posed stuff) you get good stuff that way. And why not? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Christine, I agree with every word that Bob said. When my old colleague got married last fall I sat a couple of rows back from the front and shot from the pews with my DA* 55. The pro was apparently one of the many Guy With A Rebel sorts and missed much that I got. And vice-versa of course--he did zillions of posed wedding party shots that I would never attempt. At the reception, he had no flash and only slow zooms, so he twiddled his thumbs while I got a lot of dancing shots by dragging the shutter and bouncing flash. The MIL's were thrilled I hear. I put my shots up on Facebook for them and they were very well received. Some are in my portfolio now. :-) On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Christine, I always take my camera and shoot photos. I stay out of the hired photographer's way and often shoot from the pews or background. I usually put the best shots up on Picasa and send the link to the bride and groom. Mothers of the BG often love the quick feedback. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Reminds me of this http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/23/couple-pays-750-for-the-worst-wedding-photos-ever/ On 26/04/2012 7:21 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsench...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Depends on whether you want to take photos or not. The main advantage I see for the DSLR (when shooting as a guest) is the flash doesn't turn on automatically as it does with many PS cameras. That could be a factor in some church weddings where they don't allow flash during the ceremony. From: Christine Nielsen Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
BAH! Sharpness, composition, white balance, lighting: All are bourgeois concepts! -- Walt On 4/25/2012 4:39 PM, Derby Chang wrote: Reminds me of this http://www.petapixel.com/2012/04/23/couple-pays-750-for-the-worst-wedding-photos-ever/ On 26/04/2012 7:21 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsench...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? Yes i do, but as some one stated, i stay out of the way avoid flash, and take candid shots of our area. If i don't bring a camera to weddings people think i don't like them/:-) Dave A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:16 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: If i don't bring a camera to weddings people think i don't like them/:-) Oh, it not that, of course! You're just ugly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I may be asked never to bring a camera to another wedding. The only one I've ever photographed (a couple of months ago as a favor to the bride and groom, both longtime friends of mine) didn't even survive the honeymoon and was annulled within a week. The important thing, though, is that I got back the great old pool cue I lost on a bet 20 years ago in return for the favor. I almost feel bad enough to give it back to the groom. *Almost*. -- Walt On 4/25/2012 6:16 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Yes i do, but as some one stated, i stay out of the way avoid flash, and take candid shots of our area. If i don't bring a camera to weddings people think i don't like them/:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
When I was shooting weddings, I generally didn't mind guest snappers, as long as they didn't use flash. But flashers can screw up exposures, so I would usually buttonhole those types and ask them to put the flash away. I've also run into a few snappers who wouldn't hesitate to step right in front of me. They always got a tap on the shoulder and a very direct suggestion in regard to where they should go. Paul On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I always bring the good camera to a wedding and reception. Allows me to hide behind it and not have to deal with all the standard gooey stuff.. Unless I've promised to be the photographer for them, they expect some shots as a present from me. Either that or they have paid me to shoot. That being said, I've ended up enjoying a number of the ones I was paid to shoot because the bride and groom were offspring of friends. Most of the time the pro hired to shoot is fine with me shooting too... and I dont' use flash. But once one of them got rather amusingly competitive... he checked out what I was doing and copied me! lol! ann On 4/25/2012 19:16, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Christine Nielsench...@inielsen.net wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? Yes i do, but as some one stated, i stay out of the way avoid flash, and take candid shots of our area. If i don't bring a camera to weddings people think i don't like them/:-) Dave A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On 25/04/2012 1:48 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? Yes. Going to a wedding without a camera just doesn't seem right. For a girl that my wife works with, it's a good thing. Her photographer was an idiot who blew the wedding. I got much better pictures, and ended up shooting their portraits for them on their first anniversary. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
That's an easy one: I bring it. Mostly for the reception, and as you said, just in case but I want one there. That being said if I had something smaller and very high quality (Fuji X Pro 1? M9? Hey, I can dream) I might prefer that. A bit less conspicuous than a dslr might be nice, but I have always gotten nice feedback from the wedding party and/or guests when I've shared photos of such events afterwards. Hey, the paid photographer can't be everywhere. As long as no one gets in his/her way, I don't see a problem. Geez, I've even had a wedding photog sidle up next to me and say, Yeah, this is the shot, thanks!. Sorry to go on so. To summarize, I vote bring. ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net Sent: April 25, 2012 4/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Christine, I don't think it was the bride's idea for no pictures...all from the preacher. I've seen few who were so rigid. Only Rabbi's in the sanctuary. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
Btw, nice shot! cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net Sent: April 25, 2012 4/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
I got married once. It was about (OMG!) 33 years ago. My fiancee (soon-to-be-wife and now ex-wife) and I both agreed no photos in the church. Hey, I may be an atheist (okay, for those hair-splitters among you I'm an atheistic agnostic) but I ~do~ have a sense of sacred and I just don't think it's appropriate or respectful to be snapping away in a church during what is supposed to be, after all, a pious ceremony. We had a Real Wedding Photographer (who did a great job, btw) who was a bit miffed, and after some discussion we decided to allow photos (by everyone) in the church during the signing of the register only. Hey, we got photos taken before the ceremony, immediately after, at a park setting during the time between church and reception, then finally at the reception. We figured that was enough. Happily everyone respected our no photos in the church request. And we still got a lovely bunch of wedding photos, which have long outlived the marriage. ;-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Sent: April 25, 2012 4/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Christine, I don't think it was the bride's idea for no pictures...all from the preacher. I've seen few who were so rigid. Only Rabbi's in the sanctuary. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, Last wedding I was at, the preacher told her congregation to not take photos. 'They have a professional photographer here and you should please not take photos during the ceremony.' I watched the 'Pro' for a little while and thought she was a 'Guy with a Rebel', so just ignored the Preacher. (I'm a heathen anyway...) Yikes. I wonder if that was her standard warning at weddings, or a request of the bride groom..? Or of the photographer? I can see how everyone's a photographer might inspire a bride to want to rein it in a little bit. As she walks down the aisle, instead of seeing the loving gazes of all her friends family, she sees a phalanx of iPhones held up to their faces, as they snap flash away... And of course, before the ceremony is over, the images have been uploaded to facebook tagged. lol. But, if the pro is a Guy With a Rebel, well... then you do what you gotta do. :) -c Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: In answer to your survey question; ..no. In the case of a good friend, I'd subtly reaffirm that you're still into it, but are hesitant to bring along your SLR so as not to appear to be competing with the pro. The next comment must then come from the friend. If you hear only crickets, leave it home.. From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Wedding photography (or not), + peso... Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? A good friend of mine got married this weekend... I almost didn't bring it, but in the end, I threw the k-5 FA 50 in my purse just in case I wanted it later It's funny territory, I think. There's a pro on hand to capture the day. Yet, the number of cell phone and ps cams being held aloft in the pews is almost comical... On the other hand, maybe the dslr seems a bit much? I mean, you don't want to be Uncle Harry, elbowing the pro out of the way to get your shot of the happy couple... Hmm. Maybe the K-01 (in white, of course) for this type of occasion would be appropriate. I'll have to see if it fits in an evening bag... :) -c http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/6967449816/in/photostream/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I've only been to one wedding since I got my DSLR, and I brought my gear. The first thing I did when I got to the wedding was look for the pro to tell him to let me know if I was ever in his way. In one of those small world moments, he was someone I took photography with in Jr. High school. I sat someplace where I'd have clear line of sight to the ceremony, but wouldn't be in Mark's way. I managed to get some decent shots over the course of the day. And since they weren't depending on me, I actually had fun. I could go for the higher risk, but cool if they turn out, shots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622260949366/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: I may be asked never to bring a camera to another wedding. The only one I've ever photographed (a couple of months ago as a favor to the bride and groom, both longtime friends of mine) didn't even survive the honeymoon and was annulled within a week. Damn! I should have had you photography my wedding. It would have saved me nearly a year of grief. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography (or not), + peso...
On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Here's a survey question... as an invited guest at a wedding, do you bring your dslr? I read our wedding photographer's contract the other day and she asks that any guest with a DSLR must shoot at a different angle from her own shots. I don't know how strict she'd be about enforcing it. She was happy with being surrounded by relatives with PS cameras and those are becoming pretty good these days. I would guess that the contract is fairly generic so it's likely to be a common clause around here. The reason I read the contract was to clarify copyright before thinking about putting an album online. We're planning to talk to her at some stage because it's hard for us to take print orders when we show relatives using the iPad. I figure a pile of 6x4 prints where we can write on the back would be easier as there's no other way we can uniquely identify each pic (there are a few groups of similar photos). Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding Photography made difficult!
You posted this because you heard I'm doing a family wedding next July, didn't you. Dave On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8292164.stm LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding Photography made difficult!
On 6/10/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: You posted this because you heard I'm doing a family wedding next July, didn't you. You know me Dave, would I do a thing like that!??! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:02:09PM -0700, Rick Womer wrote: I like to get there well ahead of the ceremony, and take some pix of the site at my own pace. I wasn't able to get there early. When I see the pro, if he or she has an idle moment, I introduce myself, and explicitly assure them that I will stay out of the way. Then I do just that. When I got there, the first person I saw was the photographer. I did not introduce myself to him. It would have been silly, since we met 36 years ago. In photo class. I try to get an aisle seat for the ceremony, but I stand up and sit down when everyone else does. Since the K10D makes a racket, I don't use it during quiet or music bits. I was going to go for an aisle seat, but it turns out that most of the front row was open for whoever. So I got front row, from the end that the sun was shining from. This has worked very nicely. Often the pro has come up to =me=, during a lull, just to have a photographic chat. When my brother got married several years ago, I ran out of film during the reception; the pro sidled over as I rummaged through my bag, with my PZ-1p open on the table in front of me, and held out her hand with three rolls of Tri-X in it. At one point I saw Mark eating alone, and invited him over to our table, but he was rushed and only had a few minutes to eat. I've gotten some photos that I (and others) have been happy with, too: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=865503 Very nice. Oh, yeah... I've also had fun. That's kind of important too. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: wedding photography ettiquette To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:22 PM I'm going to a friend's wedding this afternoon. I'll be bringing my camera and such. I sent him a quick note, but he's probably already left for setting things up. What's the polite way to deal with the pro photographer, if there is one? Should I introduce myself and ask if they mind if I take photos? Or just try to blend in with the crowd? I suppose I should stick to p-ttl rather than optically slaving strobes if I use them, so my optically slaved doesn't trigger off of their flash. :) -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen ...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On 4/9/09, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Stay out of the way. Don't get in the way. Don't ever get in the way. Just stay out of the way. Say hi to the photographer in passing if you wish, definitely smile and nod, but don't bother seeking him out. As a photographer I am there to pay attention to a particular group of people. You are not part of that group, so distracting me is getting in the way. Don't get in the way. You should not have a tripod set up where it might get in the way. Really, you shouldn't have a tripod set up at all. Use flash if you like unless it triggers the photographer's flash. If it does, then use flash every picture because the guy is a moron. It's considered polite to not set up equipment, off camera flash is OK as long as you are holding onto it. I think that's a pretty good summary. As a newsman, if I were at a friend's wedding, I would wander up and say hello, smile and nod, crack a joke. I would never use a tripod anyway, those pics are covered by you know who! You wouldn't see me, I'd always be lurking in the shadows (prolly shooting the bridesmaids :) and I certainly wouldn't ask anyone any permissions. Shoot until told not to, and then shoot with covert operations plans B, C and D at the ready. But that's just news ;-) Go and have a great time and don't fret about the pro. Get the pics that he or she can't because they are too damn busy earning a living ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
I'm glad that I was just doing this for fun, and not trying to make a living at it. I saw how hard Mark was working. I was just taking the photos that looked fun and interesting to me. I did stay out of Mark's way. Most of my chatting with him was simply because he was an old friend, not because he was the photographer. I am growing a deep and abiding hatred of the Pentax flash system. The locking lever on my 540 has broken, yet again. It seems to work, in that it'll rotate from side to side, but it doesn't actually lock the flash in place any more. The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright light in the background. If I tried to put the flash in manual and set things the way I wanted to, it would just ignore me and go back into P-TTL. Interestingly, I was having a similar problem with a promaster flash not staying in manual mode the other night, which makes me think that it may be a camera body, rather than a flash thing. Some of the problems were alleviated when I put the flash on the bracket and used the sync cable instead of mounting the flash to the shoe. However, the head doesn't hold itself tightly enough in position, and when I have my diffuser on it (bigger lumiquest), if I moved the camera into portrait mode, the head was likely to flop down. I didn't pull out my monopod, and I lost a lot of my available light shots due to camera blur. I did manage to get a few decent shots, nothing that I'm particularly happy with. It was good practice, I've learned how much I need to learn. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm glad that I was just doing this for fun, and not trying to make a living at it. I saw how hard Mark was working. I was just taking the photos that looked fun and interesting to me. I did stay out of Mark's way. Most of my chatting with him was simply because he was an old friend, not because he was the photographer. I am growing a deep and abiding hatred of the Pentax flash system. The locking lever on my 540 has broken, yet again. It seems to work, in that it'll rotate from side to side, but it doesn't actually lock the flash in place any more. When you rotate the lever, a pin descends. If the flash isn't fully inserted, the pin will miss the hole. The assembly is a bit fragile. The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright light in the background. Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that. If I tried to put the flash in manual and set things the way I wanted to, it would just ignore me and go back into P-TTL. Interestingly, I was having a similar problem with a promaster flash not staying in manual mode the other night, which makes me think that it may be a camera body, rather than a flash thing. Some of the problems were alleviated when I put the flash on the bracket and used the sync cable instead of mounting the flash to the shoe. However, the head doesn't hold itself tightly enough in position, and when I have my diffuser on it (bigger lumiquest), if I moved the camera into portrait mode, the head was likely to flop down. Yeah, I wish the detent stops were firmer. Paul I didn't pull out my monopod, and I lost a lot of my available light shots due to camera blur. I did manage to get a few decent shots, nothing that I'm particularly happy with. It was good practice, I've learned how much I need to learn. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:05 AM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Larry Colen wrote: The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright light in the background. Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that. The Nikon i-TTL system is VERY good at avoiding it. I'd expect the K-7 to be better than older Pentax bodies as my experience is that the more zones the meter has, the less likely a background point source will cause this sort of underexposure. Nikon's 1005 pixel meter is the standard here and nobody else comes close in this specific instance (flash or ambient). My new E-30 is quite bad for this sort of thing. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On 5/9/09, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I've learned how much I need to learn. Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: wedding photography ettiquette The P-TTL would massively underexpose any shots that had a bright light in the background. Yep. Any autoexposure system will do that. This is why I still use my big dumb Metz 60 CT-2. It doesn't talk to the camera, it just fires when told to and gives correct exposure. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
When I shoot a wedding, I prefer that guest photographers remain in their seat and avoid using flash during the ceremony. No one has ever asked if they could get up and shoot or use flash. A few have used point and shoot flash from their seats, but they're usually far enough away that it's not a problem. At the reception, you should feel free to wander and shoot as you wish as long as you don't shoot any of the photograher's setups or get in the way of a shot. Paul On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I'm going to a friend's wedding this afternoon. I'll be bringing my camera and such. I sent him a quick note, but he's probably already left for setting things up. What's the polite way to deal with the pro photographer, if there is one? Should I introduce myself and ask if they mind if I take photos? Or just try to blend in with the crowd? I suppose I should stick to p-ttl rather than optically slaving strobes if I use them, so my optically slaved doesn't trigger off of their flash. :) -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
- Original Message - From: Larry Colen Subject: wedding photography ettiquette I'm going to a friend's wedding this afternoon. I'll be bringing my camera and such. I sent him a quick note, but he's probably already left for setting things up. What's the polite way to deal with the pro photographer, if there is one? Should I introduce myself and ask if they mind if I take photos? Or just try to blend in with the crowd? I suppose I should stick to p-ttl rather than optically slaving strobes if I use them, so my optically slaved doesn't trigger off of their flash. :) Stay out of the way. Don't get in the way. Don't ever get in the way. Just stay out of the way. Say hi to the photographer in passing if you wish, definitely smile and nod, but don't bother seeking him out. As a photographer I am there to pay attention to a particular group of people. You are not part of that group, so distracting me is getting in the way. Don't get in the way. You should not have a tripod set up where it might get in the way. Really, you shouldn't have a tripod set up at all. Use flash if you like unless it triggers the photographer's flash. If it does, then use flash every picture because the guy is a moron. It's considered polite to not set up equipment, off camera flash is OK as long as you are holding onto it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
On Sep 4, 2009, at 19:54, William Robb wrote: Use flash if you like unless it triggers the photographer's flash. If it does, then use flash every picture because the guy is a moron. This is my second-favorite piece of advice after stay the hell out of the way! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: wedding photography ettiquette
I like to get there well ahead of the ceremony, and take some pix of the site at my own pace. When I see the pro, if he or she has an idle moment, I introduce myself, and explicitly assure them that I will stay out of the way. Then I do just that. I try to get an aisle seat for the ceremony, but I stand up and sit down when everyone else does. Since the K10D makes a racket, I don't use it during quiet or music bits. This has worked very nicely. Often the pro has come up to =me=, during a lull, just to have a photographic chat. When my brother got married several years ago, I ran out of film during the reception; the pro sidled over as I rummaged through my bag, with my PZ-1p open on the table in front of me, and held out her hand with three rolls of Tri-X in it. I've gotten some photos that I (and others) have been happy with, too: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=865503 Oh, yeah... I've also had fun. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: wedding photography ettiquette To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:22 PM I'm going to a friend's wedding this afternoon. I'll be bringing my camera and such. I sent him a quick note, but he's probably already left for setting things up. What's the polite way to deal with the pro photographer, if there is one? Should I introduce myself and ask if they mind if I take photos? Or just try to blend in with the crowd? I suppose I should stick to p-ttl rather than optically slaving strobes if I use them, so my optically slaved doesn't trigger off of their flash. :) -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen ...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Assisting is probably the best way to get introduced to the business. Let someone else deal with the details, you do the work and cash the check. Then see if it is where you want to be. Hope you are feeling better. jm - Original Message - From: John Celio n...@neovenator.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? Hey guys. I've been under the weather the last few days and hadn't read anything until just now. I, uh... I've got a lot to learn. Maybe I should see about being someone's assistant before I go out on my own. Of course, I've already got a good chance of getting a wedding gig for later this year, but at least that gives me time to get my ducks in a row. Thank you all for your input. I'm more frightened than ever John ;) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: The real problem with it is the CORPORATION's POLICY and copyright law. Somewhere, the CORPORATION has a POLICY that says the photolab will not reproduce copyright works or photos by professional photographers. The CORPORATION I work for has one. Ninety-nine and forty-four one hundredths percent of the time it ain't gonna' be no problem. But it only takes ONE TIME to fuck up the rest of your life. According to the DMCA copyright law, those photos are NOT the property of the bride and groom, they're the property of the photographer who took the photos. The DMCA copyright law is written so that the OWNER of the photolab equipment and the *OPERATOR* of the photolab are liable for the violation instead of the customer who uses the equipment. The DMCA copyright law allows the photographer to SUE THE PHOTOLAB and collect $500,000 per instance of copyright infringement; where each photograph printed is defined as one instance. The CORPORATION POLICY is there just in case a photographer does sue the photolab to enforce their copyright, the CORPORATION can use that POLICY to push all of the liability off onto the poor schlub running the equipment. Of course, if you're that poor schlub, you're between a rock and a hard place. If you follow the CORPORATION's POLICY and the customer complains, MANAGEMENT will shit all over you. You'll get at least a reprimand for pissing off the customer, and you might get fired for poor customer relations just for following the CORPORATION's POLICY. And if you don't follow the CORPORATON's POLICY, they can use that any time they want an excuse to fire you and leave you all alone to face the legal liabilities for violating the DMCA copyright law. Because the DMCA copyright law says the equipment OWNER and/or OPERATOR are the liable parties. The CORPORATION POLICY shields the company and leaves all the liability on the operator who didn't follow the CORPORATION POLICY. I have to walk a fine line all the time. As long as I don't KNOW the customer is violating the DMCA copyright law, I can ignore what they're doing. They can use that instant printing kiosk all day long and I won't interfere - as long as I can get away with denying I knew they were violating the DMCA copyright law, and plausibly claim I would have enforced the CORPORATION POLICY if only I had known. If the customer does something that forces me to acknowledge they're printing copyrighted images, like asking me to help them do so, I'll call the store manager, point out the relevant CORPORATION POLICY to the manager and leave the manager to explain to the customer why the photolab can't print their photos. And if the customer sends it through the one hour printer and it's got Olan Mills or Life Touch Studios or J.C. Penney's Studio or ANY OTHER copyright notice on the face of the image, I'll stop the job, and again I'm calling the manager over and dumping it off on him. He can deal with the customer when they come looking for their photos. He can explain the CORPORATION POLICY regarding copyrighted images. I'm fairly flexible. I don't balk at someone trying to copy their grand-parents portrait from the 20s, 30s or 40s. And I won't get bent out of shape over old school photos and such, even from the 50s, 60s or 70s. In fact, I'll use all the magic I can to get them something special. But I ain't touchin' anything printed on modern professional paper that has the copyright notice pre-printed or stamped on the back. And if a CD or DVD has the photographer's name on it or if the images have the photographer's name embedded in the image, they gotta have a release. It can be the first JPEG on the disc, that's the easiest way to do it from the lab's point of view, because I can see the release right there on the selection screen ... but they gotta have a release of some kind. I'm covering MY ass! Refusing to allow myself to be left holding the bag if a legal shit-storm descends on that photolab don't make me an idiot, sniveling or otherwise. They don't pay me enough for that kind of risk. You've clearly been attending the JCO ONLINE SCHOOL OF INTERNET ETIQUETTE!!! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Hey guys. I've been under the weather the last few days and hadn't read anything until just now. I, uh... I've got a lot to learn. Maybe I should see about being someone's assistant before I go out on my own. Of course, I've already got a good chance of getting a wedding gig for later this year, but at least that gives me time to get my ducks in a row. Thank you all for your input. I'm more frightened than ever John ;) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Thank you all for your input. I'm more frightened than ever Speck! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Ok, I'm missing something here, I can tell. Dave On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: At least he spelled it right grin -- Bruce Friday, March 20, 2009, 6:20:52 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: David J Brooks WR Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? One thing i have never had, is a customer come back to me, after buying a day CD, and saying Wally mart etc would not print the photos. WR Dave, think about what you are saying. WR -- WR PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List WR PDML@pdml.net WR http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net WR to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
David J Brooks wrote: Ok, I'm missing something here, I can tell. You're missing that you can't enforce copyright after giving them a CD full of images. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: David J Brooks wrote: Ok, I'm missing something here, I can tell. You're missing that you can't enforce copyright after giving them a CD full of images. :-) Ah. That's fine. I tell them that when they buy the CD.:-) Dave -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? Agreed. It just never occurred to me that I should, and I'm a bit surprised that no one has had a problem buying prints. When I was still at the Wally-Lab I had several long and somewhat testy conversations with various of my co-drones about this very thing. The theory was that we couldn't print professional work, my take was that if the photographer had put a disc of full resolution files into his customer's hands, he wasn't really in a position to enforce copyright, were he so inclined. But, the fact that it even came up in conversation sensitized me to the problem that customers could run into with getting their own property printed if they ran into a sniveling idiot behind the counter. William Robb The real problem with it is the CORPORATION's POLICY and copyright law. Somewhere, the CORPORATION has a POLICY that says the photolab will not reproduce copyright works or photos by professional photographers. The CORPORATION I work for has one. Ninety-nine and forty-four one hundredths percent of the time it ain't gonna' be no problem. But it only takes ONE TIME to fuck up the rest of your life. According to the DMCA copyright law, those photos are NOT the property of the bride and groom, they're the property of the photographer who took the photos. The DMCA copyright law is written so that the OWNER of the photolab equipment and the *OPERATOR* of the photolab are liable for the violation instead of the customer who uses the equipment. The DMCA copyright law allows the photographer to SUE THE PHOTOLAB and collect $500,000 per instance of copyright infringement; where each photograph printed is defined as one instance. The CORPORATION POLICY is there just in case a photographer does sue the photolab to enforce their copyright, the CORPORATION can use that POLICY to push all of the liability off onto the poor schlub running the equipment. Of course, if you're that poor schlub, you're between a rock and a hard place. If you follow the CORPORATION's POLICY and the customer complains, MANAGEMENT will shit all over you. You'll get at least a reprimand for pissing off the customer, and you might get fired for poor customer relations just for following the CORPORATION's POLICY. And if you don't follow the CORPORATON's POLICY, they can use that any time they want an excuse to fire you and leave you all alone to face the legal liabilities for violating the DMCA copyright law. Because the DMCA copyright law says the equipment OWNER and/or OPERATOR are the liable parties. The CORPORATION POLICY shields the company and leaves all the liability on the operator who didn't follow the CORPORATION POLICY. I have to walk a fine line all the time. As long as I don't KNOW the customer is violating the DMCA copyright law, I can ignore what they're doing. They can use that instant printing kiosk all day long and I won't interfere - as long as I can get away with denying I knew they were violating the DMCA copyright law, and plausibly claim I would have enforced the CORPORATION POLICY if only I had known. If the customer does something that forces me to acknowledge they're printing copyrighted images, like asking me to help them do so, I'll call the store manager, point out the relevant CORPORATION POLICY to the manager and leave the manager to explain to the customer why the photolab can't print their photos. And if the customer sends it through the one hour printer and it's got Olan Mills or Life Touch Studios or J.C. Penney's Studio or ANY OTHER copyright notice on the face of the image, I'll stop the job, and again I'm calling the manager over and dumping it off on him. He can deal with the customer when they come looking for their photos. He can explain the CORPORATION POLICY regarding copyrighted images. I'm fairly flexible. I don't balk at someone trying to copy their grand-parents portrait from the 20s, 30s or 40s. And I won't get bent out of shape over old school photos and such, even from the 50s, 60s or 70s. In fact, I'll use all the magic I can to get them something special. But I ain't touchin' anything printed on modern professional paper that has the copyright notice pre-printed or stamped on the back. And if a CD or DVD has the photographer's name on it or if the images have the photographer's name embedded in the image, they gotta have a release. It can be the first JPEG on the disc, that's the easiest way to do it from the lab's point of view, because I can see the release right there on the selection screen ... but they gotta have a release of some kind. I'm covering MY ass! Refusing to allow myself to be left holding the bag if a legal shit-storm descends on that photolab don't make me an idiot, sniveling or otherwise. They don't pay me enough for that kind of risk. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? Agreed. It just never occurred to me that I should, and I'm a bit surprised that no one has had a problem buying prints. When I was still at the Wally-Lab I had several long and somewhat testy conversations with various of my co-drones about this very thing. The theory was that we couldn't print professional work, my take was that if the photographer had put a disc of full resolution files into his customer's hands, he wasn't really in a position to enforce copyright, were he so inclined. But, the fact that it even came up in conversation sensitized me to the problem that customers could run into with getting their own property printed if they ran into a sniveling idiot behind the counter. The real problem with it is the CORPORATION's POLICY and copyright law. Somewhere, the CORPORATION has a POLICY that says the photolab will not reproduce copyright works or photos by professional photographers. The CORPORATION I work for has one. Ninety-nine and forty-four one hundredths percent of the time it ain't gonna' be no problem. But it only takes ONE TIME to fuck up the rest of your life. According to the DMCA copyright law, those photos are NOT the property of the bride and groom, they're the property of the photographer who took the photos. The DMCA copyright law is written so that the OWNER of the photolab equipment and the *OPERATOR* of the photolab are liable for the violation instead of the customer who uses the equipment. The DMCA copyright law allows the photographer to SUE THE PHOTOLAB and collect $500,000 per instance of copyright infringement; where each photograph printed is defined as one instance. The CORPORATION POLICY is there just in case a photographer does sue the photolab to enforce their copyright, the CORPORATION can use that POLICY to push all of the liability off onto the poor schlub running the equipment. Of course, if you're that poor schlub, you're between a rock and a hard place. If you follow the CORPORATION's POLICY and the customer complains, MANAGEMENT will shit all over you. You'll get at least a reprimand for pissing off the customer, and you might get fired for poor customer relations just for following the CORPORATION's POLICY. And if you don't follow the CORPORATON's POLICY, they can use that any time they want an excuse to fire you and leave you all alone to face the legal liabilities for violating the DMCA copyright law. Because the DMCA copyright law says the equipment OWNER and/or OPERATOR are the liable parties. The CORPORATION POLICY shields the company and leaves all the liability on the operator who didn't follow the CORPORATION POLICY. I have to walk a fine line all the time. As long as I don't KNOW the customer is violating the DMCA copyright law, I can ignore what they're doing. They can use that instant printing kiosk all day long and I won't interfere - as long as I can get away with denying I knew they were violating the DMCA copyright law, and plausibly claim I would have enforced the CORPORATION POLICY if only I had known. If the customer does something that forces me to acknowledge they're printing copyrighted images, like asking me to help them do so, I'll call the store manager, point out the relevant CORPORATION POLICY to the manager and leave the manager to explain to the customer why the photolab can't print their photos. And if the customer sends it through the one hour printer and it's got Olan Mills or Life Touch Studios or J.C. Penney's Studio or ANY OTHER copyright notice on the face of the image, I'll stop the job, and again I'm calling the manager over and dumping it off on him. He can deal with the customer when they come looking for their photos. He can explain the CORPORATION POLICY regarding copyrighted images. I'm fairly flexible. I don't balk at someone trying to copy their grand-parents portrait from the 20s, 30s or 40s. And I won't get bent out of shape over old school photos and such, even from the 50s, 60s or 70s. In fact, I'll use all the magic I can to get them something special. But I ain't touchin' anything printed on modern professional paper that has the copyright notice pre-printed or stamped on the back. And if a CD or DVD has the photographer's name on it or if the images have the photographer's name embedded in the image, they gotta have a release. It can be the first JPEG on the disc, that's the easiest way to do it from the lab's point of view, because I can see the release right there on the selection screen ... but they gotta have a release of some kind. I'm covering MY ass! Refusing to allow myself to be left holding the bag if a legal shit-storm descends on that photolab don't make me an idiot, sniveling
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: This guy is a good photographer ... Sadly, he's a Canon shooter... Your story doesn't make any sense. Makes perfect sense. A good photographer can use any old beater to produce quality work. He has a series (gold, titanium, etc) of LXs at home. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: This guy is a good photographer ... Sadly, he's a Canon shooter... Your story doesn't make any sense. Makes perfect sense. A good photographer can use any old beater to produce quality work. He has a series (gold, titanium, etc) of LXs at home. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
One thing i have never had, is a customer come back to me, after buying a day CD, and saying Wally mart etc would not print the photos. Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? Agreed. It just never occurred to me that I should, and I'm a bit surprised that no one has had a problem buying prints. When I was still at the Wally-Lab I had several long and somewhat testy conversations with various of my co-drones about this very thing. The theory was that we couldn't print professional work, my take was that if the photographer had put a disc of full resolution files into his customer's hands, he wasn't really in a position to enforce copyright, were he so inclined. But, the fact that it even came up in conversation sensitized me to the problem that customers could run into with getting their own property printed if they ran into a sniveling idiot behind the counter. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? One thing i have never had, is a customer come back to me, after buying a day CD, and saying Wally mart etc would not print the photos. Dave, think about what you are saying. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:20 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Wedding photography, starting price? One thing i have never had, is a customer come back to me, after buying a day CD, and saying Wally mart etc would not print the photos. Dave, think about what you are saying. That the tech thinks my shots or not professional.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: David Savage wrote: Every time a hear a discussion about giving away photographs (and pricing in such a way as it's almost the same thing) this interview with Harlan Ellison comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE That absolutely rocks. Certanly rocks my machine. Every time (I only did it twice) I click on it multiple pages of YouTube open in extremely rapid succession. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Christine Aguila wrote: snip Me: Then we would need to talk terms, right? consulting assistant: (He begrudgingly hands me his business card and doesn't look too happy.) Everybody wants something for nothing. A few years ago in Rochester I took a great shot of the start of the Lilac Festival 10k: Head on view through a 300mm lens of all the runners coming toward the camera, with former U.S. Olympic team member John Tuttle in the middle and leading. There was a late spring that year and there were almost no lilacs blooming - except for the big patch I got in the background of this photo. I had it on my web site, of course, and the following spring one of the organizers of the race asked if I'd let them use the photo in their race promotions. I said, Yes, of course, for an appropriate fee. He suggested (predictably to all of you by now) that I should let them use the shot for free because it would be good promotion for me. Here's my response: The fact that you found my image and liked it enough to use it is proof that I don't *need* any additional promotion. What I do need is money and that's what I require in return for use of my work. Never heard back from them. The same kind of thing has happened to me many times :( Now the concept is becoming institutionalized with things like the CNN iReport, which is just photos and videos shot by passers-by of news events and sent in to CNN. With, of course, no compensation paid to the iReporter. They never meet the standards that one would expect from a professional photographer or videographer, but they *do*, as a whole, take work away from the Paul Stenquists and Cottys of the world. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Wedding photography, starting price?
Mark Roberts wrote: Christine wrote ...[ snip snip] Everybody wants something for nothing. A few years ago in Rochester I took a great shot of the start of the Lilac Festival 10k: Head on view through a 300mm lens of all the runners coming toward the camera, with former U.S. Olympic team member John Tuttle in the middle and leading. There was a late spring that year and there were almost no lilacs blooming - except for the big patch I got in the background of this photo. I had it on my web site, of course, and the following spring one of the organizers of the race asked if I'd let them use the photo in their race promotions. I said, Yes, of course, for an appropriate fee. He suggested (predictably to all of you by now) that I should let them use the shot for free because it would be good promotion for me. Here's my response: The fact that you found my image and liked it enough to use it is proof that I don't *need* any additional promotion. What I do need is money and that's what I require in return for use of my work. Never heard back from them. The same kind of thing has happened to me many times :( Me too -- and my photos at this point are the only thing keeping a roof over my head besides my ss check I dig a gig where I photo'ed an event the showing of a film on the little known poet Htam Plutzik... followed by a panel discussion... I got paid for the shoot and a CD for the PLutzik foundation, and I made public for viewing on the web on my site the shots I took... The panel moderator asked if he could have the wonderful photo I took of him for his website... I said if he wanted the photo on his site he could buy a jpg file from me on a pay what you will' basis , but he could also just include a link on his web site to the photo on my web site for no fee. Never heard back from him, either sigh ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
