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Seems everyone did. Sigh At 10:12 PM 2/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: Sorry that should be: Pedant. I liked pendant much better. g --Mike Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Lens Prices - EX: Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS...
Hello everyone We have a general disagreement on what the new digital will mean for lens prices. Her is what I think: New lens prices will not be effected Used market for AF (and maybe the A) lenses will jack the prices up K and M lenses will be virtually unchanged. What does everyone else think? L On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 12:48, Brendan wrote: Actually expect the prices to GO UP all those who were dumping Pentax, are now going to jump back in and buy stuff, watch our cameras and lenses increase in value and ebay a sellers paradise for Pentax items. --- Levente -Levi- Littvay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras just took a nosedive... :-( Or it can mean that Pentax is a few years behind its competitors (Canon, Nikon, etc.) This camera does not know more then some of the top digital ones of the past two years. (unless you are a Pentax fanatic like many of us or own many Pentax lenses that you want to reutilize, hence did not go for the competitor's model) I will not go digital before 8-10 megapixels and 1 to 1 field of view crop... (and even then I will probably wait until the price becomes half way decent, which probably means another model coming out) (and of course it would have to be a Pentax) But I really don't thik that the price of K and M series machines or the LX took a nosedive though... L __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pendant. nah, he's just a lingu*ist! At 08:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS... Since we're the Pentax list, we should probably get this correct from the start. The camera is apparently called: *ist D (lower-case i, since it's a suffix) Not D *ist (which would sound like deist, a believer in deism, the rational belief in the existence of a non-interfering God not subject to revelation) Just thought the local editor should mention that. --Mike Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Peter Alling wrote: Sorry that should be: Pedant. pendant was funnier... Stephen
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Yes but unintentional. At 01:51 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote: Sorry that should be: Pedant. pendant was funnier... Stephen Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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Yes but unintentional, (damned spell checker). At 01:51 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote: Sorry that should be: Pedant. pendant was funnier... Stephen Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
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But {warning bad pun in extremely poor taste to follow] the question is:
Is he a cunning one.
At 01:39 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pendant.
nah, he's just a lingu*ist!
At 08:08 PM 2/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS...
Since we're the Pentax list, we should probably get this correct from the
start.
The camera is apparently called:
*ist D (lower-case i, since it's a suffix)
Not
D *ist (which would sound like deist, a believer in deism, the
rational belief in the existence of a non-interfering God not subject to
revelation)
Just thought the local editor should mention that.
--Mike
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS...
Sorry that should be: Pedant. I liked pendant much better. g --Mike
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras just took a nosedive... :-( -- Later, Gary
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Gary L. Murphy observed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras just took a nosedive... :-( For a retailer trying to make money selling film cameras, the value of their inventory taking a nosedive is a bad thing. For a speculative collector (i.e. one who buys collectibles as investments), likewise. But for someone who never plans to _sell_ her cameras, because they're _tools_, this only means that buying backup gear on the used market get easier, n'est-ce pas? (Though it does mean that buying _lenses_ gets tougher for a while...) As long as the profit margin on new film cameras stays just high enough for them to continue to be manufactured at all, and for Pentax to keep repairing them when they wear out, anyhow. -- Glenn
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2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras just took a nosedive... :-( Or it can mean that Pentax is a few years behind its competitors (Canon, Nikon, etc.) This camera does not know more then some of the top digital ones of the past two years. (unless you are a Pentax fanatic like many of us or own many Pentax lenses that you want to reutilize, hence did not go for the competitor's model) I will not go digital before 8-10 megapixels and 1 to 1 field of view crop... (and even then I will probably wait until the price becomes half way decent, which probably means another model coming out) (and of course it would have to be a Pentax) But I really don't thik that the price of K and M series machines or the LX took a nosedive though... L
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Brendan wrote: Actually expect the prices to GO UP all those who were dumping Pentax, are now going to jump back in and buy stuff, watch our cameras and lenses increase in value and ebay a sellers paradise for Pentax items. Guess we'll agree to disagree here, Brendan. If you owned a camera shop and everyone was coming in to trade-in their film based Pentax =bodies= for the digital SLR you would have quite a supply of used Pentax film bodies that are not moving. If that happens, you would offer less for the bodies as a trade-in and also, because of this, lower the price on them as they are not selling. Please note I'm talking =bodies=, not lenses. I will agree that the Pentax used lens market will go up. -- Later, Gary
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Gary L. Murphy wrote: So, what happens when the market is flooded by Pentax film bodies because everyone is going digital? The price goes down. Simple supply and demand. I don't think there will be too many film bodies sold just because the D came out. Considering the D price, there will be quite few people to buy it in the first place. Then, even if you get the D, you might want to keep a film body too, just in case. Or because you noticed that a properly scanned slide might give better quality than the 6 MP sensor. Or for whatever other reason, like having alternate media availability. On the other hand, I suspect that lenses will be in slightly higher demand. Even if someone doesn't buy the D, its mere existence gives confidence to someone investing in K-mount lenses. cheers, the caveman
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Partial point, here at least the Pentax used market has been tough, while TONS of Nikon and Canon ( and Minolta to ) gear are flooding the stores. Mind you this may change. --- Gary L. Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brendan wrote: Actually expect the prices to GO UP all those who were dumping Pentax, are now going to jump back in and buy stuff, watch our cameras and lenses increase in value and ebay a sellers paradise for Pentax items. Guess we'll agree to disagree here, Brendan. If you owned a camera shop and everyone was coming in to trade-in their film based Pentax =bodies= for the digital SLR you would have quite a supply of used Pentax film bodies that are not moving. If that happens, you would offer less for the bodies as a trade-in and also, because of this, lower the price on them as they are not selling. Please note I'm talking =bodies=, not lenses. I will agree that the Pentax used lens market will go up. -- Later, Gary __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Caveman wrote: I don't think there will be too many film bodies sold just because the D came out. Considering the D price, there will be quite few people to buy it in the first place. Then, even if you get the D, you might want to keep a film body too, just in case. Or because you If that happens, I would agree that the value of the film bodies would go up... I'm just not holding my breath that that will happen. :-( -- Later, Gary
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Brendan wrote: Partial point, here at least the Pentax used market has been tough, while TONS of Nikon and Canon ( and Minolta to ) gear are flooding the stores. Mind you this may change. True, but the demand for them is extremly high. Pentax has never had the rep of the N*'s and C*'s. At least not in recent times. I started using Pentax with the Spotmatic and continue because of the glass, but in this day and age way too many people opt for the name because of the percieved status they bring. Too bad, they don't know what they are missing. IMHO. :-) -- Later, Gary
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. Gary wrote: Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras just took a nosedive... :-( Damn, I should have sold my MZ-S before this was announced. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
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Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if someone doesn't buy the D, its mere existence gives confidence to someone investing in K-mount lenses. Maybe not. In its quest for ever higher performance combined with compact dimensions, PENTAX has been developing lenses compatible with the new PENTAX digital SLR camera. If this means lenses with limited image circles (covering the APS-sized CCD rather than full-frame 35mm), confidence in investing in K-mount lenses will go down the toilet. I tentatively think interpretation is wrong but I'll certainly not be investing any money in Pentax glass until I'm damned sure. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, I should have sold my MZ-S before this was announced. Stop teasing me, Wendy! -- Later, Gary
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Really, I find this amazing. If Pentax comes out with a few lighter cheaper lenses than can only be used with an APS sensor, all faith will be lost in the K mount? This has no effect on the compatibility of old lenses, nor does it mean at all that all future lenses will be digital limited, especially since they will probably have a full sized sensor and continued production of film cameras. There will just be a few mutant lenses, probably at the wide end. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/26/03 03:10PM Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if someone doesn't buy the D, its mere existence gives confidence to someone investing in K-mount lenses. Maybe not. In its quest for ever higher performance combined with compact dimensions, PENTAX has been developing lenses compatible with the new PENTAX digital SLR camera. If this means lenses with limited image circles (covering the APS-sized CCD rather than full-frame 35mm), confidence in investing in K-mount lenses will go down the toilet. I tentatively think interpretation is wrong but I'll certainly not be investing any money in Pentax glass until I'm damned sure. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Steve, Doesn't look any different than Nikon making those lenses for the APS SLR's they did. We are starting to seem as fickle as the stock market. I think we are over reading everything that Pentax does. Bruce Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 1:08:23 PM, you wrote: SD Really, I find this amazing. If Pentax comes out with a few lighter SD cheaper lenses than can only be used with an APS sensor, all faith will SD be lost in the K mount? This has no effect on the compatibility of old SD lenses, nor does it mean at all that all future lenses will be digital SD limited, especially since they will probably have a full sized sensor SD and continued production of film cameras. There will just be a few SD mutant lenses, probably at the wide end. SD Steven Desjardins SD Department of Chemistry SD Washington and Lee University SD Lexington, VA 24450 SD (540) 458-8873 SD FAX: (540) 458-8878 SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/26/03 03:10PM SD Caveman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if someone doesn't buy the D, its mere existence gives confidence to someone investing in K-mount lenses. SD Maybe not. SD In its quest for ever higher performance combined with compact SD dimensions, PENTAX has been developing lenses compatible with the new SD PENTAX digital SLR camera. SD If this means lenses with limited image circles (covering the SD APS-sized SD CCD rather than full-frame 35mm), confidence in investing in K-mount SD lenses will go down the toilet. SD I tentatively think interpretation is wrong but I'll certainly not be SD investing any money in Pentax glass until I'm damned sure.
Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS...
Re: What the D*ist REALLY MEANS... Since we're the Pentax list, we should probably get this correct from the start. The camera is apparently called: *ist D (lower-case i, since it's a suffix) Not D *ist (which would sound like deist, a believer in deism, the rational belief in the existence of a non-interfering God not subject to revelation) Just thought the local editor should mention that. --Mike
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-- -Original Message- -- From: Gary L. Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:10 PM -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- -- 2. The competition for Pentax glass just increased 5-10 -- fold. That's if the D*ist looks as good as it seems to and -- is priced right. In other words, it will probably be a seller. -- -- Which could also mean the value of your Pentax film cameras -- just took a -- nosedive... :-( -- -- -- -- Later, -- Gary -- I for one and not planning on getting rid of my film cameras. Still archival in my book. Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland
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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:17 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote: I for one and not planning on getting rid of my film cameras. Still archival in my book. Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Marylandt Not to mention that a working camera in my hand is worth 100 super-dooper cameras I don't have. :-) Guess I'll have to make due with old analog, out of date 20th century technology g Dan Scott (packing my lovely ZX-5n, 24, 35, 77, 100, and 135 for a brief trip to FLpaying my last respects to a much loved family member)
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On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But for someone who never plans to _sell_ her cameras, because they're _tools_, this only means that buying backup gear on the used market get easier, n'est-ce pas? (Though it does mean that buying _lenses_ gets tougher for a while...) As long as the profit margin on new film cameras stays just high enough for them to continue to be manufactured at all, and for Pentax to keep repairing them when they wear out, anyhow. -- Glenn You know, if Pentax sells a caboodle of these things, they'll be making lots of new lenses to sell to the people buying 'em 'cause they don't make any money off of lenses sold on Ebay. I bet there will be plenty of good used glass to go around (especially when people go digital and want to shoot with the new lenses that match the perspective of their old film lenses). Dan Scott
