Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
On October 30, 2019 1:21:46 PM PDT, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: >Thanks Larry, >Some test program as you suggest could do. >But why getting files from the web and not just files from my K1. Maybe > You get them from the k1 and share them on the web so other people can test using the same files. >HDR to make it even larger. >My catalogue is quite big, around 45k. >I noticed that importing 20 K1 files takes a certain time, than if I >delete them from disk,and repeat the import action, than it goes >faster. >So I have to use fresh files for a test on the same computer. >Greetz, Jos > > >On 10/30/2019 8:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf > wrote: >>> >>> Dear group, >>> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom >processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD >>> I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and >do a comparative test with them. >>> Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ >512 or 1000 GB SSD >>> I will keep the best and send the others back. >>> But how to test? >>> I was thinking: >>> >>> * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files >>> * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs >> I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could >crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded >and a plug-in. >> >> One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run >auto-tone on a group of files, then do the first change to the >exposure. I am using smart previews. >> >> To me the ideal plug-in / script would: >> >> Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog >> make sure the target directory is empty >> possibly make sure the test catalog is empty >> >> note start time >> Import a standard set of files >> note time >> create smart previews >> note time >> auto tone >> note time >> Decrease highlights by one large click >> note time >> create 1:1 previews >> note time >> export full resolution jpegs >> note time >> >> A couple of things that would affect this: >> The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it >checks for existing photos >> it’s not linear, possibly order n^2 >> >> >>> Would that be a good approach? >>> >>> Or better tests? >>> >>> Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com >> >> >> >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
On October 30, 2019 1:02:08 PM PDT, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: > > >Thanks Ralf, >I have now a Nvidia Geforce GTX. I will dive in the options. Does it >mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR? Double check that Lightroom supports the GPU. >Greetz, Jos > >On 10/29/2019 11:18 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf: >> >>> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom >processing >>> than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD >> >> Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number >> crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import. >> >> I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors >and >> RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs >> circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files. >> >> Should be the same on Windoze systems. >> >> Ralf >> >> -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >> Web : http://www.fotoralf.de >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Am 30.10.19 um 21:02 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf: Does it mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR? Most probably yes. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
I only know Apple equipment. I used a 13" MacBook Pro (2013 and 2014 versions) as well as MacBook Air (2016) for some time. All did a fairly good job, the Pro models a bit better due to their better graphics cards. Lately, I'm transitioning away from using Adobe products and using an iPad Pro 11" for most of my mobile image processing, using RAW Power in conjunction with Photos, and occasionally SnapSeed. I have Lightroom v6.14 running on my ancient 2012 Mac mini (fully stuffed and with an SSD drive), running macOS Mojave, as my desktop system at home; but it's going to be replaced with a new Mac mini running Catalina soon. Once I do that, I'll install RAW Power on it too and completely dispense with Adobe products. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Thanks Bipin Gupta, How large are the DNG files that you are processing? (K1?) greetz, Jos On 10/30/2019 6:22 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: Past 4-years I've been using a 4K (3840x2160 pixels) Toshiba Satellite P50t-B Laptop with 64 Bit Windows 10, Intel i7 CPU, 20 GB RAM, Dual Video Cards, 1 TB Fast HD, USB 3, Blu Ray / M-Disc Burner. I run both Lightroom Classic CC 2019 and Photoshop CC 2019 without any lag. There are some (49) other Programs and Apps loaded on the Laptop + Personal Data, Photos. Videos & Music. Currently 136 GB space is Free on the HD. Note: Aim for some 22% Free space on the HD to run your Laptop at a decent speed. Windows 10 setup on Hi Performance mode. USB 3 (Laptop) to USB 3 (say WD 4 TB External) is pretty quick. Booting is fast too. I keep the OS and Registry clean with CCleaner & Glary Utilities. Never had any error messages or Blue Screen. Regards. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Thanks Larry, Some test program as you suggest could do. But why getting files from the web and not just files from my K1. Maybe HDR to make it even larger. My catalogue is quite big, around 45k. I noticed that importing 20 K1 files takes a certain time, than if I delete them from disk,and repeat the import action, than it goes faster. So I have to use fresh files for a test on the same computer. Greetz, Jos On 10/30/2019 8:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: Dear group, I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a comparative test with them. Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 GB SSD I will keep the best and send the others back. But how to test? I was thinking: * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded and a plug-in. One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run auto-tone on a group of files, then do the first change to the exposure. I am using smart previews. To me the ideal plug-in / script would: Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog make sure the target directory is empty possibly make sure the test catalog is empty note start time Import a standard set of files note time create smart previews note time auto tone note time Decrease highlights by one large click note time create 1:1 previews note time export full resolution jpegs note time A couple of things that would affect this: The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it checks for existing photos it’s not linear, possibly order n^2 Would that be a good approach? Or better tests? Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Thanks Ralf, I have now a Nvidia Geforce GTX. I will dive in the options. Does it mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR? Greetz, Jos On 10/29/2019 11:18 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf: I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import. I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors and RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files. Should be the same on Windoze systems. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: > > Dear group, > I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than > my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD > I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a > comparative test with them. > Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 > GB SSD > I will keep the best and send the others back. > But how to test? > I was thinking: > > * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files > * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs I wonder if you good set up a standardized benchmark that you could crowdsource. The best would be a set of files that could be downloaded and a plug-in. One of the things that I find takes the most time is when I run auto-tone on a group of files, then do the first change to the exposure. I am using smart previews. To me the ideal plug-in / script would: Make sure that it is in the specific test catalog make sure the target directory is empty possibly make sure the test catalog is empty note start time Import a standard set of files note time create smart previews note time auto tone note time Decrease highlights by one large click note time create 1:1 previews note time export full resolution jpegs note time A couple of things that would affect this: The size of the catalog can dramatically affect import times as it checks for existing photos it’s not linear, possibly order n^2 > > Would that be a good approach? > > Or better tests? > > Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Tnx Stan, If import and export takes long is not really a bother to me. I took that because it is easy to measure in time. But you might be right that I am just measure I/O speed. However, during the operation I look at the task manager and see that in the beginning of the import process, the processor is at maximum (so faster processor would help?) and later on, the memory is at 95% ( so 16 GB iso 8 GB would help?) I will see if I can find a complicated rendering operation and put it on 10 pictures together, so the time is long enough for accurate timing Greetz, Jos On 10/29/2019 10:30 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Where do you find your present laptop to be a bother? If it is only when you import or export, then it would seem that the key design element you need to look for is fast I/O bus, USB-C or Thunderbolt 3. And then, yes, test as you suggest. But I don’t know how such a test would tell you anything about using LR to process your files. Wouldn’t processing use totally different aspects of the system? In my own experience, I have an older laptop. MacPro, but that doesn’t matter. I stopped traveling with it because it was too slow. Where I noticed the slowness was e.g. when I had a Grid View, selected a new image, and then switched to Develop module. And then waited and waited while a full size preview was generated. If I were going to test a new system for relative speed, I think some aspect of rendering or processing adjustments might be more important that simple I/O tests. I now use a iPad instead, defer any serious processing until I am back home. Even my 3-4 year old iPad is faster than my 10-year old laptop. stan On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: Dear group, I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a comparative test with them. Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 GB SSD I will keep the best and send the others back. But how to test? I was thinking: * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs Would that be a good approach? Or better tests? Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf: I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import. I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors and RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files. Should be the same on Windoze systems. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
Where do you find your present laptop to be a bother? If it is only when you import or export, then it would seem that the key design element you need to look for is fast I/O bus, USB-C or Thunderbolt 3. And then, yes, test as you suggest. But I don’t know how such a test would tell you anything about using LR to process your files. Wouldn’t processing use totally different aspects of the system? In my own experience, I have an older laptop. MacPro, but that doesn’t matter. I stopped traveling with it because it was too slow. Where I noticed the slowness was e.g. when I had a Grid View, selected a new image, and then switched to Develop module. And then waited and waited while a full size preview was generated. If I were going to test a new system for relative speed, I think some aspect of rendering or processing adjustments might be more important that simple I/O tests. I now use a iPad instead, defer any serious processing until I am back home. Even my 3-4 year old iPad is faster than my 10-year old laptop. stan > On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: > > Dear group, > I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than > my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD > I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a > comparative test with them. > Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 > GB SSD > I will keep the best and send the others back. > But how to test? > I was thinking: > > * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files > * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs > > Would that be a good approach? > > Or better tests? > > Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?
What I'm thinking is that AMD has faster more efficient processors than Intel at the moment. As to laptops, I custom built myself a desktop a few years ago and it still meets my needs so I don't have any suggestions about that. I will state for the record that my desktop is built around an AMD 6 core chip, but I didn't buy it because AMD chips were better than Intel, at the time they weren't, however that particular chip maximized the bang for the buck, so I was willing to deal with a slightly slower less efficient chip. On 10/28/2019 4:58 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: Dear group, I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom processing than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD I think of ordering several "mobile workstations" upto 2000euro and do a comparative test with them. Thinking of i7, 8th or 9th generation / 4 or 6 cores/16 or 32 GB/ 512 or 1000 GB SSD I will keep the best and send the others back. But how to test? I was thinking: * measure time to import 20 K1 DNG files * or export 20 K1 DNG files to high quality JPEGs Would that be a good approach? Or better tests? Tanks in advance, greetz, Jos -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
