Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-21 Thread Alan C
Thanks, Henk. Some food for thought there. I don't store full res files 
on Flickr because data costs are sky high in SA. Using Cloud in a big 
way would be much the same. Computer stuff has doubled in price in the 
last 3 years too because the SA Rand is now so weak. I hate to think 
where we will be in 10 years if I last that long. The joys of living in 
Africa!


Alan C

On 21-Mar-21 10:43 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Alan, you do keep your important stuff on Flickr as well.

Also for me Flickr is the main cloud storage having over 8000 pics at 
full res in jpg, with a lot of family pics hidden.
Further I keep my scanned old familiy pics on onedrive 1 TB cloud 
storage.
All my RAW files are stored on a 6TB USB 3 hard disk connected to 
Lightroom, as well as a backup spread on some four of old 2 TB 3.5 
inch HDDs for which I bought houses with USB.
People around me who don't take many pictures are most happy if I 
place a 256 SSD in their desktop or laptop and take out their old slow 
HDD.

A piece of cake with Samsung software.

Henk

Op 2021-03-20 om 17:37 schreef Alan C:
You guys are scaring me. I don't know much about all that fancy 
stuff. I just do a basic backup of my catalogue & files. Not even an 
SSD or USB3's yet.


Alan C

On 20-Mar-21 06:23 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
I use SmugMug only for display; I switched to it when new ownership 
wrecked the user interface in photo.net.


I have my catalogs on a 2TB external drive, and use the SSD in my 
MacMini for software and the scratch disk. I have TimeMachine 
backups to two other external drives. Since I have had a couple of 
very close calls with total data loss, I also have an automatic 
backup to Backblaze.


Obsessive-compulsive? Me??? Never.

Rick


On Mar 20, 2021, at 5:25 AM, David Mann  wrote:

On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Toine  wrote:


Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
it a safe backup.
I'd add that you need at least one copy which is normally 
disconnected from the computer so you can't accidentally delete 
anything, nor have it encrypted by ransomware etc.


I'm about to change my backups slightly because my Time Machine 
backup doubles as my working drive for photos (the SSD in my 
computer is too small to hold my photos).  Not only is it a bit 
slow to transfer files over USB2, it's even worse if the computer 
starts a backup while I'm working.  So I have a USB3 SSD on the way 
which will become my working drive for photos, with the old HDDs 
still serving as backups.


Cheers,
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-21 Thread Henk Terhell

Alan, you do keep your important stuff on Flickr as well.

Also for me Flickr is the main cloud storage having over 8000 pics at 
full res in jpg, with a lot of family pics hidden.

Further I keep my scanned old familiy pics on onedrive 1 TB cloud storage.
All my RAW files are stored on a 6TB USB 3 hard disk connected to 
Lightroom, as well as a backup spread on some four of old 2 TB 3.5 inch 
HDDs for which I bought houses with USB.
People around me who don't take many pictures are most happy if I place 
a 256 SSD in their desktop or laptop and take out their old slow HDD.

A piece of cake with Samsung software.

Henk

Op 2021-03-20 om 17:37 schreef Alan C:
You guys are scaring me. I don't know much about all that fancy stuff. 
I just do a basic backup of my catalogue & files. Not even an SSD or 
USB3's yet.


Alan C

On 20-Mar-21 06:23 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
I use SmugMug only for display; I switched to it when new ownership 
wrecked the user interface in photo.net.


I have my catalogs on a 2TB external drive, and use the SSD in my 
MacMini for software and the scratch disk. I have TimeMachine backups 
to two other external drives. Since I have had a couple of very close 
calls with total data loss, I also have an automatic backup to 
Backblaze.


Obsessive-compulsive? Me??? Never.

Rick


On Mar 20, 2021, at 5:25 AM, David Mann  wrote:

On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Toine  wrote:


Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
it a safe backup.
I'd add that you need at least one copy which is normally 
disconnected from the computer so you can't accidentally delete 
anything, nor have it encrypted by ransomware etc.


I'm about to change my backups slightly because my Time Machine 
backup doubles as my working drive for photos (the SSD in my 
computer is too small to hold my photos).  Not only is it a bit slow 
to transfer files over USB2, it's even worse if the computer starts 
a backup while I'm working.  So I have a USB3 SSD on the way which 
will become my working drive for photos, with the old HDDs still 
serving as backups.


Cheers,
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Ken Waller
Loose them !


-Original Message-
>From: Bob Pdml 
>Sent: Mar 20, 2021 4:12 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed
>
>On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> 
>> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the 
>> cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
>
>What do you think they might do?
>
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Henk Terhell 
>>> 
>>> For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a 
>>> fresh review of the major options:
>>> https://digital-photography-school.com/best-online-photo-storage/
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Larry Colen


> On Mar 20, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> The chances of that are probably massively lower than the chances of you 
> losing them. I don’t think Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google are in 
> the business of losing their customers’ data.

The important thing is not losing all of your backups at the same time.  There 
are many ways that you could lose access to your data on cloud storage.  They 
could go out of business, go out of that business, you could lose your network 
access, they could raise their rates to more than you want to pay, or simply 
completely restoring from online backups over a slow internet connection could 
take weeks.  There are definite advantages to having them as one element of a 
backup strategy.

If you have four copies but they are all at your house any natural disaster, or 
a burglary could wipe them all out.  Even if you have offsite copies across 
town the same disaster could wipe out all of your copies.  

There is no backup solution that works for everyone.  However, if you don’t 
have multiple copies, in multiple places at some point you will lose data.


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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bob Pdml
Anybody who really wants something to worry about should think about their bank 
going bust, or its systems failing. I’ve worked in financial services IT.

> On 20 Mar 2021, at 18:15, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Not really Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google though.
> 
>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 18:10, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> One word Bob:
>> 
>> megaupload.com
>> 
>> bill
>> 
>>>> On Sat., Mar. 20, 2021, 11:27 a.m. Bob Pdml,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The chances of that are probably massively lower than the chances of you
>>> losing them. I don’t think Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google are
>>> in the business of losing their customers’ data.
>>> 
>>> The big players will have multiple copies with far better back-up than the
>>> likes of you and me, and the chances of them going out of business without
>>> clients being able to make other arrangements, are negligible.
>>> 
>>> To my mind the only reasons not to use cloud storage are if it’s too
>>> expensive or if one needs guaranteed access offline, eg somewhere with no
>>> or poor connectivity. In many cases the offline storage comes bundled with
>>> other services that one pays for anyway. In the second case of course one
>>> needs local storage, but that in itself doesn’t strike me as an argument
>>> against cloud storage as a backup, only for working copies.
>>> 
>>> All my photos are stored in the cloud version of LR. I used to keep a
>>> separate local backup when I had a laptop, but I don’t bother now. My other
>>> data is on OneDrive, mostly, and whatever the Apple version is called. If I
>>> could be bothered it would be easy to sync everything to a second cloud
>>> service so I could assure myself that I had two copies, but I’m
>>> sufficiently confident that these organisations have their own backups that
>>> I really don’t worry my pretty little head about it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:24, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Loose them !
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Bob Pdml 
>>>>> Sent: Mar 20, 2021 4:12 AM
>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to
>>> the cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you think they might do?
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bob Pdml
Not really Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google though.

> On 20 Mar 2021, at 18:10, Bill  wrote:
> 
> One word Bob:
> 
> megaupload.com
> 
> bill
> 
>> On Sat., Mar. 20, 2021, 11:27 a.m. Bob Pdml,  wrote:
>> 
>> The chances of that are probably massively lower than the chances of you
>> losing them. I don’t think Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google are
>> in the business of losing their customers’ data.
>> 
>> The big players will have multiple copies with far better back-up than the
>> likes of you and me, and the chances of them going out of business without
>> clients being able to make other arrangements, are negligible.
>> 
>> To my mind the only reasons not to use cloud storage are if it’s too
>> expensive or if one needs guaranteed access offline, eg somewhere with no
>> or poor connectivity. In many cases the offline storage comes bundled with
>> other services that one pays for anyway. In the second case of course one
>> needs local storage, but that in itself doesn’t strike me as an argument
>> against cloud storage as a backup, only for working copies.
>> 
>> All my photos are stored in the cloud version of LR. I used to keep a
>> separate local backup when I had a laptop, but I don’t bother now. My other
>> data is on OneDrive, mostly, and whatever the Apple version is called. If I
>> could be bothered it would be easy to sync everything to a second cloud
>> service so I could assure myself that I had two copies, but I’m
>> sufficiently confident that these organisations have their own backups that
>> I really don’t worry my pretty little head about it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:24, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Loose them !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Bob Pdml 
>>>> Sent: Mar 20, 2021 4:12 AM
>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>>> Subject: Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to
>> the cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think they might do?
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bill
One word Bob:

megaupload.com

bill

On Sat., Mar. 20, 2021, 11:27 a.m. Bob Pdml,  wrote:

> The chances of that are probably massively lower than the chances of you
> losing them. I don’t think Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google are
> in the business of losing their customers’ data.
>
> The big players will have multiple copies with far better back-up than the
> likes of you and me, and the chances of them going out of business without
> clients being able to make other arrangements, are negligible.
>
> To my mind the only reasons not to use cloud storage are if it’s too
> expensive or if one needs guaranteed access offline, eg somewhere with no
> or poor connectivity. In many cases the offline storage comes bundled with
> other services that one pays for anyway. In the second case of course one
> needs local storage, but that in itself doesn’t strike me as an argument
> against cloud storage as a backup, only for working copies.
>
> All my photos are stored in the cloud version of LR. I used to keep a
> separate local backup when I had a laptop, but I don’t bother now. My other
> data is on OneDrive, mostly, and whatever the Apple version is called. If I
> could be bothered it would be easy to sync everything to a second cloud
> service so I could assure myself that I had two copies, but I’m
> sufficiently confident that these organisations have their own backups that
> I really don’t worry my pretty little head about it.
>
>
>
> > On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:24, Ken Waller  wrote:
> >
> > Loose them !
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Bob Pdml 
> >> Sent: Mar 20, 2021 4:12 AM
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed
> >>
> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to
> the cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
> >>
> >> What do you think they might do?
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bob Pdml
The chances of that are probably massively lower than the chances of you losing 
them. I don’t think Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon and Google are in the 
business of losing their customers’ data.

The big players will have multiple copies with far better back-up than the 
likes of you and me, and the chances of them going out of business without 
clients being able to make other arrangements, are negligible.

To my mind the only reasons not to use cloud storage are if it’s too expensive 
or if one needs guaranteed access offline, eg somewhere with no or poor 
connectivity. In many cases the offline storage comes bundled with other 
services that one pays for anyway. In the second case of course one needs local 
storage, but that in itself doesn’t strike me as an argument against cloud 
storage as a backup, only for working copies.

All my photos are stored in the cloud version of LR. I used to keep a separate 
local backup when I had a laptop, but I don’t bother now. My other data is on 
OneDrive, mostly, and whatever the Apple version is called. If I could be 
bothered it would be easy to sync everything to a second cloud service so I 
could assure myself that I had two copies, but I’m sufficiently confident that 
these organisations have their own backups that I really don’t worry my pretty 
little head about it.



> On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:24, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Loose them !
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Bob Pdml 
>> Sent: Mar 20, 2021 4:12 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed
>> 
>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the 
>>> cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
>> 
>> What do you think they might do?
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bill
On Sat., Mar. 20, 2021, 10:37 a.m. Alan C,  wrote:

> You guys are scaring me. I don't know much about all that fancy stuff. I
> just do a basic backup of my catalogue & files. Not even an SSD or
> USB3's yet.
>
> Alan C
>

I use a 5 bay Drobo. Nothing fancy. I put files on it and let it
sort itself out. The only thing I've done extra is I'm using dual disc
redundancy,  so the thing can have two drives kaak on me and still not lose
data.

Bill

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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Alan C
You guys are scaring me. I don't know much about all that fancy stuff. I 
just do a basic backup of my catalogue & files. Not even an SSD or 
USB3's yet.


Alan C

On 20-Mar-21 06:23 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I use SmugMug only for display; I switched to it when new ownership wrecked the 
user interface in photo.net.

I have my catalogs on a 2TB external drive, and use the SSD in my MacMini for 
software and the scratch disk. I have  TimeMachine backups to two other 
external drives. Since I have had a couple of very close calls with total data 
loss, I also have an automatic backup to Backblaze.

Obsessive-compulsive? Me??? Never.

Rick


On Mar 20, 2021, at 5:25 AM, David Mann  wrote:

On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Toine  wrote:


Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
it a safe backup.

I'd add that you need at least one copy which is normally disconnected from the 
computer so you can't accidentally delete anything, nor have it encrypted by 
ransomware etc.

I'm about to change my backups slightly because my Time Machine backup doubles 
as my working drive for photos (the SSD in my computer is too small to hold my 
photos).  Not only is it a bit slow to transfer files over USB2, it's even 
worse if the computer starts a backup while I'm working.  So I have a USB3 SSD 
on the way which will become my working drive for photos, with the old HDDs 
still serving as backups.

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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Rick Womer
I use SmugMug only for display; I switched to it when new ownership wrecked the 
user interface in photo.net.

I have my catalogs on a 2TB external drive, and use the SSD in my MacMini for 
software and the scratch disk. I have  TimeMachine backups to two other 
external drives. Since I have had a couple of very close calls with total data 
loss, I also have an automatic backup to Backblaze.

Obsessive-compulsive? Me??? Never.

Rick

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 5:25 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
>> Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
>> files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
>> it a safe backup.
> 
> I'd add that you need at least one copy which is normally disconnected from 
> the computer so you can't accidentally delete anything, nor have it encrypted 
> by ransomware etc.
> 
> I'm about to change my backups slightly because my Time Machine backup 
> doubles as my working drive for photos (the SSD in my computer is too small 
> to hold my photos).  Not only is it a bit slow to transfer files over USB2, 
> it's even worse if the computer starts a backup while I'm working.  So I have 
> a USB3 SSD on the way which will become my working drive for photos, with the 
> old HDDs still serving as backups.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread ann sanfedele
I'm happily smugmug - the $200 a year is worth it... for me it is my 
place to sell photos but I do load things just for backup too.  The 
sales are low these days
and they never were much, but as the article pointed out they leave your 
pages set the way you set 'em.  I just wish I had loaded more keywords 
over the years


ann

On 3/19/2021 6:36 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a 
fresh review of the major options:

https://digital-photography-school.com/best-online-photo-storage/

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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread David Mann
On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Toine  wrote:

> Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
> files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
> it a safe backup.

I'd add that you need at least one copy which is normally disconnected from the 
computer so you can't accidentally delete anything, nor have it encrypted by 
ransomware etc.

I'm about to change my backups slightly because my Time Machine backup doubles 
as my working drive for photos (the SSD in my computer is too small to hold my 
photos).  Not only is it a bit slow to transfer files over USB2, it's even 
worse if the computer starts a backup while I'm working.  So I have a USB3 SSD 
on the way which will become my working drive for photos, with the old HDDs 
still serving as backups.

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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Toine
Amazon Photos is perfect for backups with unlimited storage of RAW
files. You need at least two copies, with one copy off-site, to call
it a safe backup.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 at 09:12, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>
> On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
> >
> > With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the 
> > cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.
>
> What do you think they might do?
>
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Henk Terhell 
> >>
> >> For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a
> >> fresh review of the major options:
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Ken Waller
With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the cloud 
or any other system that I don’t have total control over.


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>For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a 
>fresh review of the major options:
>https://digital-photography-school.com/best-online-photo-storage/
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-20 Thread Bob Pdml
On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:25, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the 
> cloud or any other system that I don’t have total control over.

What do you think they might do?

> 
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>> 
>> For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a 
>> fresh review of the major options:
>> https://digital-photography-school.com/best-online-photo-storage/
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Re: online photo storage platforms reviewed

2021-03-19 Thread Alan C

Agree.

Alan C

On 20-Mar-21 06:25 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

With the cost of memory now, I’d be hard pressed to send my images to the cloud 
or any other system that I don’t have total control over.


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From: Henk Terhell 
Sent: Mar 19, 2021 6:36 PM
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Subject: online photo storage platforms reviewed

For anybody not happy with his present cloud photo storage, here is a
fresh review of the major options:
https://digital-photography-school.com/best-online-photo-storage/

Henk
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