Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Igor PDML-StR]

HAR!

These episodes were aired many moons ago.



 Bob W-PDML Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:56:21 -0800 wrote:

On 7 Feb 2018, at 18:50, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Thanks for that link.
I had actually thought that the moon in both shots was exactly the same,


https://youtu.be/sGgmmX-dzgU

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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 7 Feb 2018, at 18:50, Igor PDML-StR 
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Thanks for that link.
I had actually thought that the moon in both shots was exactly the same,


https://youtu.be/sGgmmX-dzgU
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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Finally, I've watched (most of) the video, and these "experts" are also 
full of ... smoke.


One of the guys mentioned the issue noted by Mark (albeit not as clearly 
formulated as Mark's), - the clouds behind the moon. But it was 
practically dismissed by others.


They were mumbling about the sunset, saying it would be possible to get 
this light and this color, and one guy bragged about making his living 
from the twilight photographs. - But until almost the end, nobody thought 
that it would be non-physical to have red sunset colors (backlit) next to 
the moon, that is opposite to the sun during the full (or almost full) 
moon. (Just in case it is not obvious: the moon is full when the sun, 
which is the source of the light is on the opposite site, i.e. behind you, 
as you are looking at the moon. And I haven't seen a sunset when the 
eastern portion of the sky is red like this.)


What's funny is that I googled images for moon and sunset, - to see how my
physics-based argument holds against photos. To my surprise, I've found 
some images where the moon is superimposed over the sunset (or sunrise) sky. 
And those are clearly fake.

Here is just one example (referenced as a photo by Castillo, -
the link to the original photo is dead):
http://planetearthandhumanity.blogspot.com/2013/07/our-moon-at-sunset.html

That's clearly a fake!

While, it is beyond any doubt to me that the original photo in question
could not be done in a single shot, - I was curious if the angular sizes
(the size of the rock or tree vs. the size of the moon) are compatible to 
be in the same shot in general. I have a feeling, - they are not.

(You'd have to be too far away from the rock and the tree to see them at
this small angular size, - to be able to photograph them with this much of
detail.)
But I am too lazy to do a careful geometrical consideration at the moment.

But I have a big physics(astronomy)-based concern about yet another Peter
Lik's photo... -I 'll send a separate message about that.

Igor




On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




It must be Pink Floyd releasing smoke from the dark side of the Moon.


Larry Colen Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:47:22 -0800 wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4


I couldn't stick through the whole video, but... The photo in question
includes clouds that are BEHIND the moon. WTF??? How can anyone even think
for a moment that it's not fake?




Igor

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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thanks for that link.
I had actually thought that the moon in both shots was exactly the same, 
but didn't bother to do a detailed analysis to proof that.


Igor

 Gonz Wed, 07 Feb 2018 09:15:06 -0800 wrote:

Fstoppers wrote up a nice article about the physics of taking that
picture (not) or why its a composite...


https://fstoppers.com/critiques/tale-two-moons-peter-liks-photographs-called-out-science-218194


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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

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Gonz wrote:

>Fstoppers wrote up a nice article about the physics of taking that
>picture (not) or why its a composite...
>
>https://fstoppers.com/critiques/tale-two-moons-peter-liks-photographs-called-out-science-218194

I showed that to my students (in both the Photoshop class and Digital
Photography I) yesterday. I'm pleased to say they were all appalled by
the fakery.

 
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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Gonz]

Fstoppers wrote up a nice article about the physics of taking that
picture (not) or why its a composite...

https://fstoppers.com/critiques/tale-two-moons-peter-liks-photographs-called-out-science-218194


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4
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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Igor PDML-StR]

It must be Pink Floyd releasing smoke from the dark side of the Moon.


Larry Colen Mon, 05 Feb 2018 17:47:22 -0800 wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4


I couldn't stick through the whole video, but... The photo in question
includes clouds that are BEHIND the moon. WTF??? How can anyone even think
for a moment that it's not fake?




Igor

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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

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They could have taken a minute or so to introduce themselves, but I 
agree it shouldn't take a half hour.


On 2/5/2018 19:16, Bruce Walker wrote:

Okay, thanks for the laugh, Larry. But that video is at least 31
minutes longer than it needs to be.

"Yes."

There, done.


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4


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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

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Mark Roberts wrote:

Larry Colen wrote:


I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4


I couldn't stick through the whole video, but... The photo in question
includes clouds that are BEHIND the moon. WTF??? How can anyone even
think for a moment that it's not fake?


There have been times that I haven't been able to see the clouds that 
are in front of the moon, just the ones next to it, against the dark 
sky. Mind you, I haven't looked at them through a 2000mm lens, and if I 
did the moon would have almost certainly been blurred through them.








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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

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Larry Colen wrote:

>I've got to love anything that starts with "Is Peter Lik full of shit?".
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4

I couldn't stick through the whole video, but... The photo in question
includes clouds that are BEHIND the moon. WTF??? How can anyone even
think for a moment that it's not fake?


 
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Re: video: how fake is this photo?

[Bruce Walker]

Okay, thanks for the laugh, Larry. But that video is at least 31
minutes longer than it needs to be.

"Yes."

There, done.


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yaO__wmA4
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