Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I think Shel wrote this: OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Then what's the point? Unless there's some market split, where one will only be marketed in the Far East, or only in the U.S. or only in the UK...why two companies making the very same camera with different badges? Who gains what? keith whaley Shel, if two cameras you ask about are *exactly* the same, then I'd choose the one which is cheaper. However, if they are *exactly* the same, it is unlikely that one would be cheaper than the other. Otherwise, I would probably prefer Pentax. It evidently says certain things about my character, but then again, I am me ;-). Generally, I care much less about the camera and much more about the optic attached to it. Boris
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
keith_whaley wrote: Then what's the point? Unless there's some market split, where one will only be marketed in the Far East, or only in the U.S. or only in the UK...why two companies making the very same camera with different badges? Because buying a rebadged Pentax is the easiest quickest way for Samsung to have two DSLR's to sell. Because selling them to Samsung is the easiest quickest way for Pentax to sell a lot of their DSLR's. After this launch period, it is quite possible that the two companies wll choose different specs to offer in their cameras, starting differentiating their lines. That will be second step. Who gains what? Samsung enters the DSLR market having an appealing camera line to sell with no RD cost. Samsung can sell electronic components to Pentax. Pentax increases sales, because Samsung can sell a lot of camera stuff to consumer electronics stores, together with plasma TV's, cellphones, hard-disks, microwave ovens, etc. (for Pentax, it's harder to be successful, having just cameras to sell). Pentax can buy electronic components from Samsung at fair prices. Both companies reduce costs and increase sales, and shareholders are happy. Dario
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
And: Pentax can sell quite a bit more of their older model (money coming in) without the Pentax brand (not having old tech from 3 years ago on their face). Nice rentability, really ;) One told me Nikon do the same with Fuji. Older bodies go Fuji (which adds it own electronic/sensor components). -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Dario Bonazza wrote: keith_whaley wrote: Then what's the point? Unless there's some market split, where one will only be marketed in the Far East, or only in the U.S. or only in the UK...why two companies making the very same camera with different badges? Because buying a rebadged Pentax is the easiest quickest way for Samsung to have two DSLR's to sell. Because selling them to Samsung is the easiest quickest way for Pentax to sell a lot of their DSLR's. After this launch period, it is quite possible that the two companies wll choose different specs to offer in their cameras, starting differentiating their lines. That will be second step. Who gains what? Samsung enters the DSLR market having an appealing camera line to sell with no RD cost. Samsung can sell electronic components to Pentax. Pentax increases sales, because Samsung can sell a lot of camera stuff to consumer electronics stores, together with plasma TV's, cellphones, hard-disks, microwave ovens, etc. (for Pentax, it's harder to be successful, having just cameras to sell). Pentax can buy electronic components from Samsung at fair prices. Both companies reduce costs and increase sales, and shareholders are happy. Dario A serious question, and an honest and believable answer! What more could I ask? Many thanks, Dario. That makes a lot of sense and it does answer the questions I had! keith whaley
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Have you noticed that the GX-1L specs differ from what would be expected from a pure *istDL2 clone? Designed to enable easy viewing of images in all lighting conditions, the GX 1L features a large, 2.5-inch LCD monitor (210,000 pixels) and a bright, high-magnification pentaprism viewfinder offering a 96-percent field view. Yes, pentaprism. That's *istDS2, not DL2, isn't it? A very different body. So maybe Samsung is already mixing and matching Pentax features, ne? Bertil BTW, could the D2 have a larger sensor? Just cramming more pixels on the same sized silicon doesn't increse quality, does it? Just dreaming of greater use of my vintage lenses ;-)
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Italian press release is more detailed than the international one and says pentamirror, magnification 0,85x and 96% FOV. Apart from the 96% vs. 95% FOV (it can just be a different rounding), 0,85x says pentamirror, pentamirror says pentamirror, and pentamirror says *istDL2, not DS2. Umfortunately, using pentaprism (or, sometimes, pentaprism type viewfinder) when its actually a pentamirror is common practice among manufacturers who want their products to look better than they are. Dario - Original Message - From: Bertil Holmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Samsung announces GX-L1 Have you noticed that the GX-1L specs differ from what would be expected from a pure *istDL2 clone? Designed to enable easy viewing of images in all lighting conditions, the GX 1L features a large, 2.5-inch LCD monitor (210,000 pixels) and a bright, high-magnification pentaprism viewfinder offering a 96-percent field view. Yes, pentaprism. That's *istDS2, not DL2, isn't it? A very different body. So maybe Samsung is already mixing and matching Pentax features, ne? Bertil BTW, could the D2 have a larger sensor? Just cramming more pixels on the same sized silicon doesn't increse quality, does it? Just dreaming of greater use of my vintage lenses ;-)
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
I forgot to tell you that the marketing manager for Samsung DSLR cameras in Italy is the former marketing manager at Pentax Italy (just fired for reducing costs), and he knows well Pentax products and the difference between pentaprism and pentamirror. If he writes pentamirror and 0.85x magnification, I trust him. Dario - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Samsung announces GX-L1 Italian press release is more detailed than the international one and says pentamirror, magnification 0,85x and 96% FOV. Apart from the 96% vs. 95% FOV (it can just be a different rounding), 0,85x says pentamirror, pentamirror says pentamirror, and pentamirror says *istDL2, not DS2. Umfortunately, using pentaprism (or, sometimes, pentaprism type viewfinder) when its actually a pentamirror is common practice among manufacturers who want their products to look better than they are. Dario - Original Message - From: Bertil Holmberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Samsung announces GX-L1 Have you noticed that the GX-1L specs differ from what would be expected from a pure *istDL2 clone? Designed to enable easy viewing of images in all lighting conditions, the GX 1L features a large, 2.5-inch LCD monitor (210,000 pixels) and a bright, high-magnification pentaprism viewfinder offering a 96-percent field view. Yes, pentaprism. That's *istDS2, not DL2, isn't it? A very different body. So maybe Samsung is already mixing and matching Pentax features, ne? Bertil BTW, could the D2 have a larger sensor? Just cramming more pixels on the same sized silicon doesn't increse quality, does it? Just dreaming of greater use of my vintage lenses ;-)
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
And a last idle thought: will Samsung also sell the 645D? I bet not, but... that's intriguing. Dario
What's in a name? (Was: Samsung announces GX-L1)
What's in a name? That which we call a Pentax By any other word would smell as sweet. (with appologies to William Shakespeare) :-) Igor Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:18:34 -0800 Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'd rather have the Pentax name if the cameras were the same, even if the Samsung were a little less expensive. If the Samsung were quite a bit less expensive, I'd probably opt for it, providing that getting service was acceptable. Then I'd tape over the Samsung name. Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler On 2/24/06, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Given that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. The Pentax, of course! No way I would allow the name Samsung under the black tape of my pentaprism!
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
They still haven't figured out that S means S (pentaprism and 11-segment AF) and L means L (pentamirror and 5-segment AF). GX-1S is the *istDS2 GX-1L is the *istDL2 Dario - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: Samsung announces GX-L1 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and probably the report is mistaken. j -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
So what's with Samsung using Schneider lenses on this Pentax/Samsung combined effort? DG At 06:10 PM 2/23/2006 -0800, you wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and probably the report is mistaken. j -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
So far, all the 'Schneider' lenses are actually rebranded SMC-DA 18-55's. -Adam dick graham wrote: So what's with Samsung using Schneider lenses on this Pentax/Samsung combined effort? DG At 06:10 PM 2/23/2006 -0800, you wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and probably the report is mistaken. j -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
I've got Italian press releases of both the Samsung GX-1S and GX-1L. Specs are identical to their Pentax relatives, hence it is perfectly clear that they are the *istDS2 and the *istDL2. And, of course, both the Samsungs output .PEF RAW files. Both them will be on sale in Italy next April. That will be quite a problem for Italian Pentax importers, only having the DL for sale now. Then, Samsung Italy is currently announcing the following items: Schneider Kreuznach D-Xenon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 lens (Pentax DA lens clone) Schneider Kreuznach D-Xenon 50-200mm f/4.0-5.6 lens (Pentax DA lens clone) Samsung SEF36PXF dedicated flash (Pentax AF360FGZ clone) Then, they are no shy to advice you to buy the following accessories: Pentax AC adapter Pentax IR remote control Pentax CS-205 cable release Dario
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Shel [Original Message] From: Dario Bonazza I've got Italian press releases of both the Samsung GX-1S and GX-1L. Specs are identical to their Pentax relatives, hence it is perfectly clear that they are the *istDS2 and the *istDL2. And, of course, both the Samsungs output .PEF RAW files.
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Hi! OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Shel, if two cameras you ask about are *exactly* the same, then I'd choose the one which is cheaper. However, if they are *exactly* the same, it is unlikely that one would be cheaper than the other. Otherwise, I would probably prefer Pentax. It evidently says certain things about my character, but then again, I am me ;-). Generally, I care much less about the camera and much more about the optic attached to it. Boris
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. no brainer, I'd buy the cheaper one. Who cares what it says on the front as long as I'm happy with the images I can create with it -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Shel, if two cameras you ask about are *exactly* the same, then I'd choose the one which is cheaper. However, if they are *exactly* the same, it is unlikely that one would be cheaper than the other. Otherwise, I would probably prefer Pentax. It evidently says certain things about my character, but then again, I am me ;-). Generally, I care much less about the camera and much more about the optic attached to it. Boris It's quite possible that both can be exactly the same and one much cheaper. Samsung sells more units at lower margins in the Big Box stores, Pentax sells with higher margins in traditional camera stores, giving a distinct price difference. -Adam
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
What name is on the faceplate, if the guts of the cameras are identical, is almost irrelevant. The only relevance would be which distributor provides better customer service on repairs. Kinda like buying the Panasonic LX1 vs the Leica DLux2. You're buying the same product, but if you pay the 20-30% Leica premium you get Leica's service and support. (I bought the Panasonic...) Godfrey On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK, here's a question to those who may be interested, brought about by the thread about the name of the new Pentax Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Shel [Original Message] From: Dario Bonazza I've got Italian press releases of both the Samsung GX-1S and GX-1L. Specs are identical to their Pentax relatives, hence it is perfectly clear that they are the *istDS2 and the *istDL2. And, of course, both the Samsungs output .PEF RAW files.
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
On 2/24/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. The Pentax, of course! No way I would allow the name Samsung under the black tape of my pentaprism! :) -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Samgsung now owns Schneider, so they can put the brand name on Pentax glass. Brand names now mean nothing. I mean my Italian Bianchi bicycle was made in Taiwan. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- dick graham wrote: So what's with Samsung using Schneider lenses on this Pentax/Samsung combined effort? DG At 06:10 PM 2/23/2006 -0800, you wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and probably the report is mistaken. j -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
Shel wrote: Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. I'm sure the Pentax and the Samsung clone are the same hardware. However, it is quite possible that there are minor firmware differences, such as another digital filter, or maybe the Samsung is missing K-mount compatibility, or who knows? In that case, maybe you can upload your favorite firmware on either camera, or maybe not. So, before deciding, one should know that too. Dario
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
On 24/2/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: Give that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. Pentax of course, don't know why. If I bought the Samsung, I'd expect to be able to talk to you with it ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Samsung announces GX-L1
I'd rather have the Pentax name if the cameras were the same, even if the Samsung were a little less expensive. If the Samsung were quite a bit less expensive, I'd probably opt for it, providing that getting service was acceptable. Then I'd tape over the Samsung name. Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler On 2/24/06, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Given that the Samsung and the Pentax are the same camera, given the opportunity to buy either, would you choose the Pentax or the Samsung name, and under what circumstances, i.e., if one were less expensive than the other. The Pentax, of course! No way I would allow the name Samsung under the black tape of my pentaprism!
Samsung announces GX-L1
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022403samsunggx1l.asp Loos like another rebadged DS2 or DL2. It does say pentaprism, so that would make it a DS2. Although the L in the name is suspicious, and probably the report is mistaken. j -- Juan Buhler Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
