Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1
Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. Is the K-200D that much larger? -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold though). Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. Is the K-200D that much larger? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:09:11 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold though). O.k. I *really* liked the small Olympus (E-420?) from the pictures, so I'm with Mark and Feranando. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. Is the K-200D that much larger? -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The other thing that I like from the *ist D is the mirror slap noise, compared to the one of the *ist DS (and I'm assuming that the same applies to the KxxD series) the latter is much louder, more intrusive for candid photography (for what I use the *ist D, low light candid photos with fast lenses) I also could swear that I can handhold slight slower shutter speeds with the D (no SR obviously) but I have no proof. The K10D mirror noise is also rather quiet (according to my standards) but the body is larger. The *istD with the two pancakes I have (and with the 43LTD) is such a pleasure to handle, as is the K10D with zooms and bigger lenses; I would buy an ist D updated with the K20D sensor, no SR, but I know is not going to come, the market has spoken and I understand that this type of camera would not appeal to a mass market (yeah I know about the entry level ones, I'm talking about a semipro camera, with hyperprogram, lots of knobs and switches, etc. a la *ist D) BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap? On 6/19/08, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:09:11 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold though). O.k. I *really* liked the small Olympus (E-420?) from the pictures, so I'm with Mark and Feranando. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. Is the K-200D that much larger? -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Fernando wrote: BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap? Was just at the camera shop this morning and looked at the E-420. It's too small for my hands, I'd feel cramped using it; the *ist DS for a similar sized camera was better suited to my hands. The E-420's shutter/mirror sound has a different timbre and resonance compared to the K10D: tighter, less of a 'clacking' noise to it. The E-420 is pretty small and light though, there's not much mass or material to damp the sound so it's got a fairly sharp edge. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thnxs On 6/19/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Fernando wrote: BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap? Was just at the camera shop this morning and looked at the E-420. It's too small for my hands, I'd feel cramped using it; the *ist DS for a similar sized camera was better suited to my hands. The E-420's shutter/mirror sound has a different timbre and resonance compared to the K10D: tighter, less of a 'clacking' noise to it. The E-420 is pretty small and light though, there's not much mass or material to damp the sound so it's got a fairly sharp edge. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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To my ear it's quiet. However you may think differently. I don't find the Ds to be louder than the D just different. The sound is higher pitched so it carries more. Fernando wrote: The other thing that I like from the *ist D is the mirror slap noise, compared to the one of the *ist DS (and I'm assuming that the same applies to the KxxD series) the latter is much louder, more intrusive for candid photography (for what I use the *ist D, low light candid photos with fast lenses) I also could swear that I can handhold slight slower shutter speeds with the D (no SR obviously) but I have no proof. The K10D mirror noise is also rather quiet (according to my standards) but the body is larger. The *istD with the two pancakes I have (and with the 43LTD) is such a pleasure to handle, as is the K10D with zooms and bigger lenses; I would buy an ist D updated with the K20D sensor, no SR, but I know is not going to come, the market has spoken and I understand that this type of camera would not appeal to a mass market (yeah I know about the entry level ones, I'm talking about a semipro camera, with hyperprogram, lots of knobs and switches, etc. a la *ist D) BTW Somebody knows how loud is the Oly E-420 mirror slap? On 6/19/08, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:09:11 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The specifications say so. It's larger than the K100D which was larger than the *ist-D, (When I tried one out it was comfortable to hold though). O.k. I *really* liked the small Olympus (E-420?) from the pictures, so I'm with Mark and Feranando. Lucas Rijnders wrote: Op Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:25 +0200 schreef Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. Is the K-200D that much larger? -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My wife has the DLux Leica. It is a nice camera, little shutter lag, good autofocus, good exposure calculations. But, like most modern PS cameras, no viewfinder. So you have to hold the stinking thing at arms length to frame the image. Oh, and I tried to tell her it was a clone of the Panasonic and we could save a couple hundred bucks, even after we bought some red paint, but she wanted the factory-applied red Leica dot. stan On Jun 17, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. Regards, Anthony Farr. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. Regards, Anthony Farr. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. Regards, Anthony Farr. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Leica DLux-3 is sibling to the Panasonic LX2. They share all the hardware, other than the external case styling, but the image processing firmware and JPEG settings are somewhat different reflecting the two different companies' notions of what is best for their clientele. They are both manufactured by Panasonic, the Leica model is then subjected to additional QC scrutiny by Leica. Aside from the sensitivity issues, in general I find these small pocketables poor when it comes to responsiveness (although not as bad as some might make out), as well as being too small and fiddly with respect to control ergonomics. My Rollei 35S, tiny as it was and peculiar as its layout seems to the new user, is a remarkably simple camera to learn and operate with little to get in the way of setting focus, aperture and exposure time, framing and making a photograph. Same for the Minox 35GT-E, the Contax Tix APS film camera, and the assortment of Minox subminiatures I hang on to for sentimental reasons. While a lot of very good work can/has been done with the ultracompact digital cameras, most are simply a chore for me to work with and I lose more great photographs than I make with them. I have one of the now cult item Fuji F30s ... the only camera in the class that has an ISO 400 setting that is halfway usable imo ... and every time I take a few pictures with it that are good I hear myself saying if only I'd had the other camera with me ... As soon as I hear myself saying that, the F30 goes on the shelf and I forget it exists for a few months. Godfrey On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I got to play with a Canon Powershot G9 last weekend. Shutter delay wasn't an issue. Admittedly most of the time I wouldn't have noticed it, anyway - I was half-pressing the shutter to see which AF point it was choosing (a habit I've got into with my DSLRs; although I generally have the AF set to select, not to auto, it's too easy to nudge the four-way controller with my nose). Once the AF is done, even my ancient Powershot G1 was quite responsive. But I did try a couple of shots where I just pointed-and-clicked, and found it to be quite speedy. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:13:13AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. Regards, Anthony Farr. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The shutter lag is worst when you use the LCD screen for viewfinding, because the sensor has to switch off video mode and switch on still mode before the frame capture. That's why a good optical viewfinder is a desirable feature, so you can avoid putting the sensor into video mode in the first place. The AF speed varies considerably from one camera to another, mostly according to the mass of the focusing group in the lens (big lens = slow AF, small lens = fast AF). There's also a big difference between wide-angle focusing speed and telephoto focusing speed, even with the same lens. To get the shortest delay you either use MF (hard to do when the controls are buried in a menu) or prefocus via a half shutter press. As some cameras have AF lock and AE lock bound together in the half shutter press this can be a problem at times. Regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 8:13 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1 The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have a G9. It's a nice carry-around camera that can still shoot raw. This camera fits in a niche between the point and shoots and the DSLRs. It's a heavy little brick. The shutter lag hasn't been an issue, but I don't do any high speed action stuff. It's more than adequate for people pictures. This is an incredibly complex camera. It's an engineer's delight. They packed every feature they could think of into this little box with little thought for ergonomics. Buttons have several functions, some unmarked. I shoot raw files in the Tv, Av, or Program modes. This eliminates most of the confusing feature bloat. Picture quality from raw files converted with Photoshop/ACR is excellent. Pentax could probably clean up if they built a decent camera for this niche. The G9 is about the only thing in the price range. GS http://georgesphotos.net On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got to play with a Canon Powershot G9 last weekend. Shutter delay wasn't an issue. Admittedly most of the time I wouldn't have noticed it, anyway - I was half-pressing the shutter to see which AF point it was choosing (a habit I've got into with my DSLRs; although I generally have the AF set to select, not to auto, it's too easy to nudge the four-way controller with my nose). Once the AF is done, even my ancient Powershot G1 was quite responsive. But I did try a couple of shots where I just pointed-and-clicked, and found it to be quite speedy. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 06:13:13AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: The deal killer is the shutter delay. In truth, I think the Leica is a clone of the Panasonic. Paul On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Anthony Farr wrote: Steve Desjardins asked: Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? A quick trawl of DPR's database got me these: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Sigma/sigma_dp1.asp is a large sensor compact. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Ricoh/ricoh_grdigital2.asp is the latest digital version of the cultish GR series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_cpp5100.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_g9.asp are Nikon's and Canon's highest spec versatile compacts. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fujifilm_F100fd.asp is Fujifilm's latest in the cultish F**fd series. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Leica/leica_dlux3.asp is a very nice compact Leica. There's a clone Panasonic but I don't know its name. Mostly the cameras I chose are not ultra compact and usually have redeeming features to deserve cult status, such as exceptional low light performance, a good wide angle lens, good manual controls, good viewfinders (not just the rear LCD), RAW file saving, or they just look good. If a camera doesn't tick all the boxes it will be outstanding in one or more of the other criteria. It's not a definitive list, just my feelings. Regards, Anthony Farr. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? A nice little 250cc would do you just as well . . .come one... admit it!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. How much do you reckon you've spent on that Chevy in your garage over the years Paul ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? About half of what i paid for my D1, at $5000 used, and my D2H at $4500.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!! How much was your first computer? Used 8086 for a couple hundred IIRC. I'll never need any thing more than a 20mb hard drive for what i do.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000. And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-). Paul On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. How much do you reckon you've spent on that Chevy in your garage over the years Paul ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its specs don't support its price position. But that's true of my Chevy as well :-). We all buy things simply because we like them. I bought a Leica iiif RD simply because I like it. It's cool, but it certainly isn't a good professional tool. It's just a nifty thing that I fondle and sometimes shoot with. Nothing wrong with that. But I wouldn't recommend it to someone who hopes to get the most camera for the money. Paul On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. How much do you reckon you've spent on that Chevy in your garage over the years Paul ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) Overpriced compared to what? The M8 nd? As far as digital rangefinders go you don't have much choice. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: 2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) Overpriced compared to what? Not compared to anything: for what it does As Paul said, it's indisputably a cool camera. As cool as Paul's car or my motorcycle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its specs don't support its price position. But that's true of my Chevy as well :-). The R-D1 is still holding its value because it's the only game in town under 5k if you want a digital range finder camera. One would think, with the current interest in that camera and the M8, that someone would hurry up and make another. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: 2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) Overpriced compared to what? The M8 nd? As far as digital rangefinders go you don't have much choice. You can't finance a camera at 6%. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000. And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-). Yes but the point is that you don't **need** to spend that amount on a car. You do it because you *want* to - and as such with things like this, the value for money is purely subjective. You wouldn't spend 1800 bucks on a rangefinder, and I wouldn't spend 50 big ones on a classic Chevy. Oh wait, I think I would! Shot to ribbons, as you were :( -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) Bollocks! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! What price pride?! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: As Paul said, it's indisputably a cool camera. As cool as Paul's car or my motorcycle. Hey let's not get carried away now ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice. Definitely a New York cat. The important part in NY is that the camera is big enough to use as weapon. Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2008 6:21 PM 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4852f58d94832055218855! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html I like the cat. I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!). I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to compare it to a DSLR and then say it's not worth it just doesn't get it. It's like comparing an old Leica M3 or M4 with the most recent film SLRs. They just don't compare feature-for-feature. There's a zen-like thing with quality rangefinders that is beyond explanation (by the likes of me, anyway). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html I like the cat. I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!). I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to compare it to a DSLR and then say it's not worth it just doesn't get it. It's like comparing an old Leica M3 or M4 with the most recent film SLRs. They just don't compare feature-for-feature. There's a zen-like thing with quality rangefinders that is beyond explanation (by the likes of me, anyway). Thanks Frank, I really appreciate that (and to Steve dJ also). As soon as I win the lotto, you're on the list of receivers :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Its price has little to do with a cool factor. Being that Epson is a company that wanted to make a profit, they rolled the costs of development and tooling together for a limited number unit run and set a price. That price happened to be high for it to be a profitable venture. Just like the price of the M8 happens to be high to be profitable. They're not making a lot of profit on either of these cameras. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Jun 16, 2008, at 4:24 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its specs don't support its price position. But that's true of my Chevy as well :-). We all buy things simply because we like them. I bought a Leica iiif RD simply because I like it. It's cool, but it certainly isn't a good professional tool. It's just a nifty thing that I fondle and sometimes shoot with. Nothing wrong with that. But I wouldn't recommend it to someone who hopes to get the most camera for the money. Paul On Jun 16, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. How much do you reckon you've spent on that Chevy in your garage over the years Paul ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR models, with a similar length lens. Yet somehow svelte compared to anything else that produces a 6x9 negative. You need big hands to hold it, (long fingers at least), and it frightens small children. It's late 1930's industrial machinery adapted to photography. I suppose it's use is Zen like in that it's a slow working camera requiring thought, as there's no rapid winding, only have 8 exposures per role, and it does take a bit of time to reload, so you better make those count. The shutter is admirably quite though, not that you'll get many candids with it. Strangely I like it quite a bit more than I do the Leica IIIc, though I really do like smaller cameras overall. frank theriault wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html I like the cat. I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!). I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to compare it to a DSLR and then say it's not worth it just doesn't get it. It's like comparing an old Leica M3 or M4 with the most recent film SLRs. They just don't compare feature-for-feature. There's a zen-like thing with quality rangefinders that is beyond explanation (by the likes of me, anyway). cheers, frank -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd like to have one to, but i'll just have to wait a bit. I'll have to be cool all by myself.:-) Dave On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/6/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html I like the cat. I like the wires (I was in Jersey City once, and you captured it perfectly!). I wish I had an RD-1. Anyone who's going to compare it to a DSLR and then say it's not worth it just doesn't get it. It's like comparing an old Leica M3 or M4 with the most recent film SLRs. They just don't compare feature-for-feature. There's a zen-like thing with quality rangefinders that is beyond explanation (by the likes of me, anyway). Thanks Frank, I really appreciate that (and to Steve dJ also). As soon as I win the lotto, you're on the list of receivers :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR models, with a similar length lens. Yet somehow svelte compared to anything else that produces a 6x9 negative. You need big hands to hold it, (long fingers at least), and it frightens small children. It's late 1930's industrial machinery adapted to photography. I suppose it's use is Zen like in that it's a slow working camera requiring thought, as there's no rapid winding, only have 8 exposures per role, and it does take a bit of time to reload, so you better make those count. The shutter is admirably quite though, not that you'll get many candids with it. Strangely I like it quite a bit more than I do the Leica IIIc, though I really do like smaller cameras overall. Okay, so I waxed poetic just a tad... I guess the Fuji 6x9 (The Texas Leica) ain't Zen-like, either, and it's certainly a rangefinder. I was talking about smallish M-body sized 35 mm RF's. Sorry to confuse. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consider the Kodak Medalist II a quality range finder, yet it's anything but Zen like. It's a hulking brute of a camera, almost as large as current Modern Canon Professional SLR and DSLR models, with a similar length lens. Yet somehow svelte compared to anything else that produces a 6x9 negative. You need big hands to hold it, (long fingers at least), and it frightens small children. It's late 1930's industrial machinery adapted to photography. I suppose it's use is Zen like in that it's a slow working camera requiring thought, as there's no rapid winding, only have 8 exposures per role, and it does take a bit of time to reload, so you better make those count. The shutter is admirably quite though, not that you'll get many candids with it. Strangely I like it quite a bit more than I do the Leica IIIc, though I really do like smaller cameras overall. Okay, so I waxed poetic just a tad... I guess the Fuji 6x9 (The Texas Leica) ain't Zen-like, either, and it's certainly a rangefinder. I was talking about smallish M-body sized 35 mm RF's. Sorry to confuse. cheers, frank No confusion, just counter point. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. How about a rangefinder body for k-mount lenses? The image-plane-to-lens-mount distance would make the body quite deep and it would be silly with most lenses, but with the pancake Limiteds... cool. I second that. I bought a new old stock *istD and I take it for a ride from time to time. K10D ergonomics are great but the *istD reminds me of the old 70's design that I also like (smaller, less intrusive). On 6/15/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. Furthermore, what the R-D1 sells for *now* is probably more than what it was really worth when it came out, in terms of materials and function. But you can't put a price on cool. (The ist-D was priced comparably to its direct competition, the Canon 10D and the Nikon D100.) The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. I'd love something that small, quiet and unobtrusive with a 10 MP sensor (I *do* make prints, and big ones whenever possible). I certainly don't *need* one, but I'd probably buy it if it were in the $1000 range. Cool is what cool does ;) Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. How about a rangefinder body for k-mount lenses? The image-plane-to-lens-mount distance would make the body quite deep and it would be silly with most lenses, but with the pancake Limiteds... cool. Not gonna happen, I know. But then I shouldn't be spending more money on cameras anyway! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Besides, price is such a bourgeois concept. David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/16/2008 7:26 AM 2008/6/16 Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. Of course I don't need it - and do you need that honking great big motorbike? Of course not. But the bike was *underpriced* for what it does, not overpriced ;-) Overpriced compared to what? The M8 nd? As far as digital rangefinders go you don't have much choice. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4856507c94831033293819! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not sure that a long thread on the PDML constitutes much current interest in rangefinders. ;-) I honestly have not idea how big the actual market is and once you start to divide it two or three ways there might not be much left. Despite the review, I would be afraid to take on Leica for a high priced rangefinder. As has been pointed out, you need a pretty high price to make a profit. Someone mentioned that some of the PS cameras are starting to fill the niche rangefinders used to have. I'm not agreeing with this, but what is the highest quality PS you can get? Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/16/2008 8:16 AM Paul Stenquist wrote: BTW, I'm certainly not criticizing your choice of a camera. I'd love to have one. I just made the point that it's price is partly a function of the cool factor. It's the camera of the moment. In part because it's well made, but largely because of its fan base. Its specs don't support its price position. But that's true of my Chevy as well :-). The R-D1 is still holding its value because it's the only game in town under 5k if you want a digital range finder camera. One would think, with the current interest in that camera and the M8, that someone would hurry up and make another. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48565c6194831051815037! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: I've spent about $40,000 on the Chevy, and it's worth about $50,000. And in ten years it will be worth even more. My digital cameras, on the other hand, will be consigned to the scrap heap:-). Some digital cameras appreciate in value! http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2007/12/digicam-appreci.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 14, 2008, at 17:02, Cotty wrote: On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there It gets even more entertaining in Mexico... http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2003/Texas/pages/page_57.html -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org I am riding in the MS-TRAM this summer. Please consider sponsoring me! http://charles.robinsontwins.org/mstram.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Six NYC pics on R-D1
Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there It gets even more entertaining in Mexico... http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2003/Texas/pages/page_57.html and India: http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1174748 Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandy Harris wrote: ... First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. Offer it for $400 and it would be top of my list of cameras to get. Even at $800, I'd be thinking about it. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. Har, thanks Sandy. It was pointed out to me by another listmember who may well be eyeing it up. Looks like that person will have to be fast! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) It's an M mount, but I own no Leica lenses. Both my lenses are M39 with an adapter on each, and compare more than favourably with Leica glass. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/fastlensreview.shtml -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, This is all true. So why do you think that people would possibly want one? I think they command high prices because only 10,000 were ever made. The build quality is extremely good - with a metal chassis and skin. Hold a Pentax MX and you're on the right track. Access to a formidable lens range. 6MP is paltry by today's standards, but for making 20X16 prints, that's doable. Certainly 11X8 is not a problem. How many digital photographer's print their work these days? So for web work, 6 MP is way more than plenty. You know what? You can't even download the files from the camera or charge the battery in the camera. Yet if I had to choose one digital body, new or used, from anywhere in the world, from any manufacturer or camera shop anywhere, it would be this camera. Isn't that strange? Cannot think why :) ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. If you could point me to any reports of reliability problems, I would be grateful. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry folks, this is a Pentax list and I'm bleating OT about nothing to do with Pentax. Apologies. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. I'd like an RD-1 or an M8 (if it's reliable enough - saw a used one yesterday for a mere £2,500), but I can't afford either at the moment. The attraction for me is the same as the attraction of Leica Ms over better-featured film SLRs - they are small, discreet and largely non-threatening. As much as I like my E-1, people can react rather differently to it than they do to a rangefinder camera (if they even notice it). Here in London where the streets are paved with tourists it doesn't matter very much because everyone is pointing some sort of camera at someone or something, but in other parts of the country, and in other countries, it makes a difference. You could also argue, as some do, that small ps digital cameras have overtaken the rf-type camera, but I've yet to see one that is as responsive and fast, has a choice of sufficiently high-quality fast, wide lenses, has a high quality sensor, and the robustness and build quality that demanding photographers, er, demand. However, this may be just my ignorance of the market - anyone please feel free to correct me. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those above ground wires are causing a lot of grief these days in Michigan as well as other areas hit with high winds. We were hit with a pretty good thunderstorm last Sunday there are still thousands without power. We could come back with another 16' high over size load, and knock a few down. Seemed to work the first time we left Holland Michigan.:-) Dave BTW I grew up in Bayonne, just south of Jersey City didn't think the above ground wires were all that romantic. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1 On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks folks. I wonder if i have been looking at older web pages then,. Dave On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot. First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, This is all true. So why do you think that people would possibly want one? I think they command high prices because only 10,000 were ever made. The build quality is extremely good - with a metal chassis and skin. Hold a Pentax MX and you're on the right track. Access to a formidable lens range. 6MP is paltry by today's standards, but for making 20X16 prints, that's doable. Certainly 11X8 is not a problem. How many digital photographer's print their work these days? So for web work, 6 MP is way more than plenty. You know what? You can't even download the files from the camera or charge the battery in the camera. Yet if I had to choose one digital body, new or used, from anywhere in the world, from any manufacturer or camera shop anywhere, it would be this camera. Isn't that strange? Cannot think why :) ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. If you could point me to any reports of reliability problems, I would be grateful. Down the hall, second door on the left. Mind the vicious keep left signs please. Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) It's an M mount, but I own no Leica lenses. Both my lenses are M39 with an adapter on each, and compare more than favourably with Leica glass. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/fastlensreview.shtml This is true. IMHO Voigtlander lenses compare very favourably to Pentax lenses on the cost/performance curve. I love the 31mm Ltd, but I think the CV 35/1.2 is just as spectacular a performer and at roughly the same price. Much praise has been lavished by Cotty (and myself) on the CV 28/1.9 which I now use as my lieutenant shooter in low light (with the 77mm ltd). At $A500 by the time it gets to Australia, I think it is a bargain. The camera is just a box. As Mr Robb says, lenses are where it's at. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mine are M39 and the Cannon 35mm 3.5 would make a very slow normal the Leica 50mm is a collapsible design which, given the way I treat cameras, would end up breaking something Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) It's an M mount, but I own no Leica lenses. Both my lenses are M39 with an adapter on each, and compare more than favourably with Leica glass. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/fastlensreview.shtml -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And why should you be different... Cotty wrote: Sorry folks, this is a Pentax list and I'm bleating OT about nothing to do with Pentax. Apologies. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is often the case that less is be more. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandy Harris wrote: ... First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. Offer it for $400 and it would be top of my list of cameras to get. Even at $800, I'd be thinking about it. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, This is all true. So why do you think that people would possibly want one? I think they command high prices because only 10,000 were ever made. The build quality is extremely good - with a metal chassis and skin. Hold a Pentax MX and you're on the right track. Access to a formidable lens range. 6MP is paltry by today's standards, but for making 20X16 prints, that's doable. Certainly 11X8 is not a problem. How many digital photographer's print their work these days? So for web work, 6 MP is way more than plenty. You know what? You can't even download the files from the camera or charge the battery in the camera. Yet if I had to choose one digital body, new or used, from anywhere in the world, from any manufacturer or camera shop anywhere, it would be this camera. Isn't that strange? Cannot think why :) ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. If you could point me to any reports of reliability problems, I would be grateful. I gotta say that the few minutes I had to play with the RD-1, I was very impressed with it. So much so that I did a half-ass search for one until I realized it was really too far out of my price range. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If I could get one for a little less than what I originally paid for a *ist-Ds I might be very interested, but for the current used price I could get a K20D and a K10D for backup, or the K20D with a 16-50mm f2.8. No matter how nice it isn't that valuable. Doug Brewer wrote: On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, This is all true. So why do you think that people would possibly want one? I think they command high prices because only 10,000 were ever made. The build quality is extremely good - with a metal chassis and skin. Hold a Pentax MX and you're on the right track. Access to a formidable lens range. 6MP is paltry by today's standards, but for making 20X16 prints, that's doable. Certainly 11X8 is not a problem. How many digital photographer's print their work these days? So for web work, 6 MP is way more than plenty. You know what? You can't even download the files from the camera or charge the battery in the camera. Yet if I had to choose one digital body, new or used, from anywhere in the world, from any manufacturer or camera shop anywhere, it would be this camera. Isn't that strange? Cannot think why :) ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. If you could point me to any reports of reliability problems, I would be grateful. I gotta say that the few minutes I had to play with the RD-1, I was very impressed with it. So much so that I did a half-ass search for one until I realized it was really too far out of my price range. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I could get one for a little less than what I originally paid for a *ist-Ds I might be very interested, but for the current used price I could get a K20D and a K10D for backup, or the K20D with a 16-50mm f2.8. No matter how nice it isn't that valuable. Doug Brewer wrote: On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Cotty wrote: On 15/6/08, Sandy Harris, discombobulated, unleashed: A LOT more than I'd want to pay. That's more than a new K20D, roughly triple the price of a k200d. Compared to those, the Epson has fewer megapixels, no shake reduction, lower maximum ISO, lower memory capacity, This is all true. So why do you think that people would possibly want one? I think they command high prices because only 10,000 were ever made. The build quality is extremely good - with a metal chassis and skin. Hold a Pentax MX and you're on the right track. Access to a formidable lens range. 6MP is paltry by today's standards, but for making 20X16 prints, that's doable. Certainly 11X8 is not a problem. How many digital photographer's print their work these days? So for web work, 6 MP is way more than plenty. You know what? You can't even download the files from the camera or charge the battery in the camera. Yet if I had to choose one digital body, new or used, from anywhere in the world, from any manufacturer or camera shop anywhere, it would be this camera. Isn't that strange? Cannot think why :) ... And I've seen reports of reliability problems. If you could point me to any reports of reliability problems, I would be grateful. I gotta say that the few minutes I had to play with the RD-1, I was very impressed with it. So much so that I did a half-ass search for one until I realized it was really too far out of my price range. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!! How much was your first computer? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The first computer I actually owned I built myself, using a lot of salvaged parts. I think I spent about $600.00. I've got the 10mb HD around here somewhere, you can use if for a door stop, if you pay the shipping it's yours. Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!! How much was your first computer? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thomas Edison's labs were in New Jersey. They're now at the Greenfield Viullage, in Dearborn, Michigan. Moved there many years ago by Henry Ford. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1 Thomas Edison's labs were in New Jersey. They are proud of their electric wires! (That was a nice picture - also liked the tanker truck vs veritcal building ribs, very graphic.) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 15/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Exactly. It's a PC camera. The current cool thing. But definitely not worth the money. Nothing in its resume suggests that it is. Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? But that was a long time ago. The price of entry increases contantly. But cool is what cool does. Furthermore, what the R-D1 sells for *now* is probably more than what it was really worth when it came out, in terms of materials and function. But you can't put a price on cool. (The ist-D was priced comparably to its direct competition, the Canon 10D and the Nikon D100.) The R-D1 is a lovely piece of kit, no doubt about it. Maybe worth the money (now) if you really *need* such a beast, but I'm glad I don't. I'd love something that small, quiet and unobtrusive with a 10 MP sensor (I *do* make prints, and big ones whenever possible). I certainly don't *need* one, but I'd probably buy it if it were in the $1000 range. Cool is what cool does ;) Heck, if Pentax made a 10MP camera the size of the ist-D or DS I'd be quite interested. How about a rangefinder body for k-mount lenses? The image-plane-to-lens-mount distance would make the body quite deep and it would be silly with most lenses, but with the pancake Limiteds... cool. Not gonna happen, I know. But then I shouldn't be spending more money on cameras anyway! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:17:08AM +0100, Cotty wrote: On 16/6/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Guys, guys. How much was the *ist D when it first came out? $1695. That's what I paid for mine. It still works just fine, and until very recently was getting about as much use as the K10D. The D60 I bought brand new in about 2002 IIRC was nearly 2,000 GBP!! How much was your first computer? First? Around $2400 for a 386/25 with 2MB of memory and a 40MB hard drive. I paid extra to get a .21 dot pitch monitor capable of 800x600. A few years later I paid around $4000 for a Gateway 486 DX2/66V system; 16MB memory, twin 340MB drives, 1024x768 15 monitor, extra I/O ports, LaserJet 4M printer (300dpi, 4MB memory), ScanJet 300dpi flatbed scanner. Neither of those systems are still around, of course. I got about five years of use out of each of them (overlapped; my wife took over the 386 when I got the new system). Since then I've bought at least three newer systems (a Pentium2/400, a Pentium3/800, and a Pentium4-HT/2.4GHz), each of which cost somewhere in the region of $1600 - $1300. But the last is still doing fine, after more than five years of use - I guess computers are now a mature technology, and don't need to be replaced very often. When we do eventually buy a new system it will probably be a notebook. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/6/08, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html Very nice. I've got the same view outside my study window as your Hamilton shot. And as Derby said, nice crisp shots. Glad you had a nice trip. Cheers, Christine Thanks Christine. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like Tom in particular. Henk Cotty schreef: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Henk Terhell escribió: I like Tom in particular. Henk I second Henk's comment. It's a very nice photo. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Arg. Great photos, and the camera seems to be very good. Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the street leading up to the Holland Tunnel? Paul On Jun 14, 2008, at 6:52 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Arg. Great photos, and the camera seems to be very good. Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/14/08, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Tom in particular. ... http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html I like the Tom shot as well. Though I find myself wanting a bit more midtone contrast in both of the BW shots. Maybe a bit of curves? -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 13, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Cotty wrote: 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like Tom in particular. Henk I second Henk's comment. It's a very nice photo. Carlos Thanks guys :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the street leading up to the Holland Tunnel? You da man! Indeed it is. Our friend Keith lives fairly close, opposite a park. I liked Jersey City. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/6/08, Mat Maessen, discombobulated, unleashed: I like the Tom shot as well. Though I find myself wanting a bit more midtone contrast in both of the BW shots. Maybe a bit of curves? Thanks Matt. I had it more contrasty with curves but found that Tom was losing his, ahh structural integrity, and I decided I liked seeing him stand out from the background. Not a problem in colour of course -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like Jersey City as well. It was pretty much all ghetto when I lived in NY 17 years ago. It's come a long way. But all of the New York area is gentrifying. Some people don't like that, because they get squeezed out. But it's the way of the world. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the street leading up to the Holland Tunnel? You da man! Indeed it is. Our friend Keith lives fairly close, opposite a park. I liked Jersey City. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot. First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Those above ground wires are causing a lot of grief these days in Michigan as well as other areas hit with high winds. We were hit with a pretty good thunderstorm last Sunday there are still thousands without power. BTW I grew up in Bayonne, just south of Jersey City didn't think the above ground wires were all that romantic. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1 On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In the mid 60's Jersey City was definitely a great place to be from! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Six NYC pics on R-D1 I like Jersey City as well. It was pretty much all ghetto when I lived in NY 17 years ago. It's come a long way. But all of the New York area is gentrifying. Some people don't like that, because they get squeezed out. But it's the way of the world. Paul -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/6/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice pics. Love the Jersey City wires. Is the stoplight pic on the street leading up to the Holland Tunnel? You da man! Indeed it is. Our friend Keith lives fairly close, opposite a park. I liked Jersey City. -- Cheers, Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sandy Harris wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/6/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Just cannot justify a $3000 purchase these days. Dave, more like $1500 to $1800. Still a lot. First item on Cameraquest's price list, used RD-1 described as mint, $1800. Still a bit more than I'd want to pay for a camera of it's capabilities. (Plus my supply of Leica lenses is limited...) -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thomas Edison's labs were in New Jersey. They are proud of their electric wires! (That was a nice picture - also liked the tanker truck vs veritcal building ribs, very graphic.) Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/6/08, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice job, Steve. I especially like the Jersey city shot. I likes me some wires. Cheers Doug. The wires really captured my attention as it's not something you see in the UK. Sure you see wires, but in the USA it seems that any old Joe can come along and add to the bird's nest without recourse to what's gone in before. I found this entanglement more easy on the eye than some of the disasters floating around up there -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Six NYC pics on R-D1 6 grabs from NY and NJ recently. http://homepage.mac.com/cottycam/PhotoAlbum8.html Very nice. I've got the same view outside my study window as your Hamilton shot. And as Derby said, nice crisp shots. Glad you had a nice trip. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
