Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
You got it Larry! When I made the suggestion I assumed you had more image to crop from. Having the subject looking into the scene tends to keep the viewers eye in the frame. -Original Message- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Here, Here. You did good, Ken. Jack - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! You got it Larry! When I made the suggestion I assumed you had more image to crop from. Having the subject looking into the scene tends to keep the viewers eye in the frame. -Original Message- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Only one of several services I offer Jack ! -Original Message- From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! Here, Here. You did good, Ken. Jack - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! You got it Larry! When I made the suggestion I assumed you had more image to crop from. Having the subject looking into the scene tends to keep the viewers eye in the frame. -Original Message- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Yeah. I've been the recipient of a couple of your famous light lectures. ;-) Jack - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! Only one of several services I offer Jack ! -Original Message- From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! Here, Here. You did good, Ken. Jack - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! You got it Larry! When I made the suggestion I assumed you had more image to crop from. Having the subject looking into the scene tends to keep the viewers eye in the frame. -Original Message- From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
I think the reframing is a significant improvement. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Agreed, a huge improvement! Cheers, frank Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I think the reframing is a significant improvement. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 09:36:19AM +0200, Alan C wrote: Very nice. Thanks Did you notice the peeved look in its eye? Pretty much everything that looks at me has a peeved expression. I guess annoying things is my super-power. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
That's great light! Wonderfully sharp, nice expression. A lot to like. Cheers, frank Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
These are a lot better, I like the low angle and light is also very nice. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 08:18:51AM -0500, knarf wrote: That's great light! Wonderfully sharp, nice expression. A lot to like. Thanks Frank. Cheers, frank Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. When I do that, it's called a self portrait. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:44:25PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tue Dec 24 15:11:13 EST 2013 Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 03:06:22PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote: I much prefer the second or sixth image. With the second I'd want to see him looking into the frame instead of out of it - you have a good pose and a catchlight in the eye in both the second and the sixth. Thanks for the feedback. Even at 500mm there was a lot of extra room in the frame so I just centered the bird and used the center autofocus point then did my composition when I cropped, so I can easily recompose with the bird further to the right in the frame. I guess, what Ken is talking about is not the framing but rather how the head is turned. I agree with that. I can't go back and change the head, but here is a reframing of it: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11543308935/ original: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526991656 I like LRC10100 the most. I think that one is what Ken referred to as the second image. The sixth (10107) is just a bit too much straight, it needs just a bit more turn of the head. I'm afraid that that isn't something I can do anything about. Today, I was prepared to go back out with bigma and monopod. Before lunch, on my way to the lab, the birds were out in force. In the afternoon, when I had time to shoot, waiting for the installation program to finish, they were gone, nary a sparrow to be seen. Best, Igor PS. Regarding the model: In some countries, sparrows are a nuisance, pretty much like pigeons at a city square. I know, I also like taking photos of something that normal people consider as nuisance at best, or ugly and gross otherwise. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length!
Very nice. Did you notice the peeved look in its eye? Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Sparrows, now at twice the focal length! I brought the bigma to work today. Using what I learned on Friday, plus a lens with twice the max focal length (500 vs 250mm), I took far fewer frames, but I think the results were a lot better. I think that artistically, this is the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11526987596/ Here is today's set of 16: http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638969196746/ And for those that want to do a side by side of the tamron 18-250 versus the sigma 50-500, these are the ones I shot last week http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157638889151025/ Observations: Even in these days of ridiculously high resolution sensors, focal length matters. Particularly at high resolution on my big monitor, a few of the photos looked just a bit rough in the noise department. It turns out that they were shot at ISO 6400. The twenty first century has done some very good things for photography. Even so, I really should have used my monopod so that I could have dropped the shutter speed and gotten more depth of field or a lower ISO. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
