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On Apr 25, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Mark Cassino wrote: Remarkably - the processor and memory chips survived. Evertyhing else was cooked. The CPU has its own regulator which must have been tough enough to protect it from the upstream nastiness. I guess the memory must either run off the CPU supply or have another regulator of its own. I spent a good three hours on my wife's laptop yesterday trying to figure why it was totally locked up. Finally found a notice on Trend's page that a certain combination of Windows updates and PC-Cillin updates would cause this problem. Once I found that it was a simple matter to get things working, but it makes you realize what a house of cards Windows systems are. I've brought down my Linux system with stupid software on more than one occasion. The machine didn't crash but its memory usage went so high that it was near-impossible to even log in due to all of the swapping. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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On 25 Apr 2005 at 20:47, David Mann wrote: On Apr 25, 2005, at 1:31 AM, Mark Cassino wrote: Remarkably - the processor and memory chips survived. Evertyhing else was cooked. The CPU has its own regulator which must have been tough enough to protect it from the upstream nastiness. I guess the memory must either run off the CPU supply or have another regulator of its own. Years ago I had to attend to a computer network that was fried, two buildings were connected using an aerial network cable which was hit directly by lightening. The boxes were toast, all the boards had fried components, keyboards, power supplies and drives were not functioning but to my amazement every Intel CPU pulled from the dead boxed worked flawlessly under load. Most of the memory tested OK too. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I feel your pain... You're lucky that the Power supply did not do more damage - a couple of years ago mine blew and took almost everything with it. Some of the chips on the hard drive literally melted. Remarkably - the processor and memory chips survived. Evertyhing else was cooked. I spent a good three hours on my wife's laptop yesterday trying to figure why it was totally locked up. Finally found a notice on Trend's page that a certain combination of Windows updates and PC-Cillin updates would cause this problem. Once I found that it was a simple matter to get things working, but it makes you realize what a house of cards Windows systems are. Good luck! - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Stupid Computer Week. Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months Pentax Content On a positive side I've been able to install all the latest Pentax *ist-D software and I've decided that Pentax Remote assistant is actually pritty cool and maybe even usefull. /Pentax Content
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On 24 Apr 2005 at 9:31, Mark Cassino wrote: I spent a good three hours on my wife's laptop yesterday trying to figure why it was totally locked up. Finally found a notice on Trend's page that a certain combination of Windows updates and PC-Cillin updates would cause this problem. Once I found that it was a simple matter to get things working, but it makes you realize what a house of cards Windows systems are. I think you'll find that dodgy software can cripple most any OS. From what I read hear and elsewhere I seem to have fewer problems than most users (and that includes the Mac heads) with my Dose boxes. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 21/4/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: I trust you didn't let on about the London event. Although between the DUKW and the Eye, there might be scope for a little accident After watching the latest Doctor Who, I know *exactly* where Ken Rockwell comes from. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/22 Fri AM 10:01:49 GMT To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Stupid Computer Week. On 21/4/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: I trust you didn't let on about the London event. Although between the DUKW and the Eye, there might be scope for a little accident After watching the latest Doctor Who, I know *exactly* where Ken Rockwell comes from. The zip is rather a giveaway, isn't it? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:11 AM, Rick Womer wrote: Failing computer hardware must communicate with working hardware in a diabolical way. Last fall, failure of the motherboard on our venerable G3 Mac was followed by failure of the backup external hard drive, just as the data were being transferred to our new G5. Coincidence? I think not...! A number of years ago I read about a guy who accidentally swapped the Live and Earth wires when wiring up an extension cord. When attached to a very expensive BBC Micro setup it fried the computer and everything attached to it. Instantly. The photos of the logic board were quite interesting. The worst I've done is that I fried a HDD when plugging in a case fan while the system was powered on. I think I also fried an I/O controller card doing something similar a couple of years later. These days with everything integrated on the motherboard I wouldn't dare do such a thing. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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I fried an ethernet card on a Mac II once, by connecting it to a monitor...speaking of stupid... At 11:08 PM +1200 4/22/05, David Mann wrote: On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:11 AM, Rick Womer wrote: Failing computer hardware must communicate with working hardware in a diabolical way. Last fall, failure of the motherboard on our venerable G3 Mac was followed by failure of the backup external hard drive, just as the data were being transferred to our new G5. Coincidence? I think not...! A number of years ago I read about a guy who accidentally swapped the Live and Earth wires when wiring up an extension cord. When attached to a very expensive BBC Micro setup it fried the computer and everything attached to it. Instantly. The photos of the logic board were quite interesting. The worst I've done is that I fried a HDD when plugging in a case fan while the system was powered on. I think I also fried an I/O controller card doing something similar a couple of years later. These days with everything integrated on the motherboard I wouldn't dare do such a thing. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ -- Alan P. Hayes Meaning and Form: Writing, Editing and Document Design Pittsfield, Massachusetts Photographs at http://www.ahayesphoto.com/americandead/index.htm
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Godfrey DiGiorgi mused: On Apr 20, 2005, at 5:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I hate to tell you this, but the peripherals, especially drives and such like, are all the same, I'm running used Apple equipment in this PC even now. Sure. But none of mine have failed. There must be something that's different. ;-) My first bet would be a couple of extra dollars spent on the power supply. Second guess would be better airflow design. After taking one look inside the case of an HP Pavilion PC, I decided I didn't want to mount a second drive in the site HP made available - there just wasn't enough cooling.
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Thursday, April 21, 2005, 3:20:44 AM, Herb wrote: HC you haven't had any external power problems recently, have you? separate HC computers dying like that could be a coincidence, but it might not be. last HC machine death i had was the IDE controller on the motherboard, probably HC because of a power glitch that got through the surge protectors and the HC power supply. took all of the IDE drives on the computer with it. luckily, HC all my CD drives are SCSI and i had take full backups just two days before. HC the only thing i lost were some email messages. i ended up replacing the HC entire machine except for the SCSI and Firewire controllers and the CD HC drives. My sympathies to P.J. The power glitch raises a question (did I use that right g?) about external drives - connected via USB/FW and their own power supply - would they be affected as well? Good light! fra
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On 20/4/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Don't worry, Bill. It won't be so bad at GFM. It's in the mountains, you see. All that rock tends to reflect the rays away from me. Speaking of rocks, I sent an invite to Kenny-boy. He might beam in for the event... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 4/21/05, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of rocks, I sent an invite to Kenny-boy. He might beam in for the event... All he and the little woman will have to do is smile. The beams eminating from those teeth radiate enough energy to teleport them anywhere. But, seriously, it will be nice to sit down and chew the fat with one that I've come to consider as a mentor and inspiration. I pattern not only my photography, but my life after his. I think our photographic styles are somewhat similar. Thanks, Cotty. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 21/4/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: But, seriously, it will be nice to sit down and chew the fat with one that I've come to consider as a mentor and inspiration. I pattern not only my photography, but my life after his. I think our photographic styles are somewhat similar. Thanks, Cotty. LOL! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Failing computer hardware must communicate with working hardware in a diabolical way. Last fall, failure of the motherboard on our venerable G3 Mac was followed by failure of the backup external hard drive, just as the data were being transferred to our new G5. Coincidence? I think not...! Rick --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months Pentax Content On a positive side I've been able to install all the latest Pentax *ist-D software and I've decided that Pentax Remote assistant is actually pritty cool and maybe even usefull. /Pentax Content __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Luck? Random Chance, or my penchant for re-using old equipment if it's as good as new for it's purpose? The 85gig drive had been in two previous machines before it died. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 20, 2005, at 5:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I hate to tell you this, but the peripherals, especially drives and such like, are all the same, I'm running used Apple equipment in this PC even now. Sure. But none of mine have failed. There must be something that's different. ;-) Godfrey
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--- David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. I wasn't so lucky with my HP7960. Plugged it in and Windows crashed. Uninstalled all the printers scanners, re-installed USB drivers, updated bios. Nothing. Every time I plug the damn printer to any of the USB ports, windows crashes. Bought a new motherboard processor (another tale). Reinstalled Windows, reinstalled USB drivers, edit regirstry to remove any traces of any HP equipment. Plug the thing in and windows crashes. Give in and buy a new Epson R1800. bliss. Wendy Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada
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I wasn't so lucky with my HP7960. Plugged it in and Windows crashed. Uninstalled all the printers scanners, re-installed USB drivers, updated bios. Nothing. Every time I plug the damn printer to any of the USB ports, windows crashes. Bought a new motherboard processor (another tale). Reinstalled Windows, reinstalled USB drivers, edit regirstry to remove any traces of any HP equipment. Plug the thing in and windows crashes. Give in and buy a new Epson R1800. bliss. Wendy Or try linux... luben
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I trust you didn't let on about the London event. Although between the DUKW and the Eye, there might be scope for a little accident John On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:23:13 +0100, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/4/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Don't worry, Bill. It won't be so bad at GFM. It's in the mountains, you see. All that rock tends to reflect the rays away from me. Speaking of rocks, I sent an invite to Kenny-boy. He might beam in for the event... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 20/04/2005
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- Original Message - From: luben Subject: Re: Stupid Computer Week. Or try linux... Nah, just buy hardware that actually works. Wendy had the right idea. William Robb
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Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months Pentax Content On a positive side I've been able to install all the latest Pentax *ist-D software and I've decided that Pentax Remote assistant is actually pritty cool and maybe even usefull. /Pentax Content
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Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. /Henri
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Henri Toivonen wrote: Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. Add to that the new 120GB network hard drive. It's similar to those exernal USB hard drives, but instead plugs into my network. Once again, right out of the box it works as advertised, and without giving it any thought. So now the two notebooks can share this 120GB drive that I'll begin to fill up with images captured with the *ist-DS. Oh, and burning the images off to CD's has also proven to be a snap. And the HP lives gracefully on the same network as my Canon S820 printer, which is plugged into a Netgear print server. The S820 has become my text / casual printer, and the HP8450 gets to be my photo printer. I'm honestly surprised at how easily these three devices integrated into my home network without any special tweaking.
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I think I hate you... David Oswald wrote: Henri Toivonen wrote: Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. Add to that the new 120GB network hard drive. It's similar to those exernal USB hard drives, but instead plugs into my network. Once again, right out of the box it works as advertised, and without giving it any thought. So now the two notebooks can share this 120GB drive that I'll begin to fill up with images captured with the *ist-DS. Oh, and burning the images off to CD's has also proven to be a snap. And the HP lives gracefully on the same network as my Canon S820 printer, which is plugged into a Netgear print server. The S820 has become my text / casual printer, and the HP8450 gets to be my photo printer. I'm honestly surprised at how easily these three devices integrated into my home network without any special tweaking.
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At the risk of starting the usual flame war, I have to say I haven't had a stupid computer week in about 4 years ... that was the week that my hard drive failed suddenly, two months from my last backup. That was my first system failure since 1985 too. Um ... Apple equipment running Mac OS since 1985... You can hate me too now. ];-) Godfrey On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I think I hate you... David Oswald wrote: Henri Toivonen wrote: Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. Add to that the new 120GB network hard drive. It's similar to those exernal USB hard drives, but instead plugs into my network. Once again, right out of the box it works as advertised, and without giving it any thought. So now the two notebooks can share this 120GB drive that I'll begin to fill up with images captured with the *ist-DS. Oh, and burning the images off to CD's has also proven to be a snap. And the HP lives gracefully on the same network as my Canon S820 printer, which is plugged into a Netgear print server. The S820 has become my text / casual printer, and the HP8450 gets to be my photo printer. I'm honestly surprised at how easily these three devices integrated into my home network without any special tweaking.
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I hate to tell you this, but the peripherals, especially drives and such like, are all the same, I'm running used Apple equipment in this PC even now. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: At the risk of starting the usual flame war, I have to say I haven't had a stupid computer week in about 4 years ... that was the week that my hard drive failed suddenly, two months from my last backup. That was my first system failure since 1985 too. Um ... Apple equipment running Mac OS since 1985... You can hate me too now. ];-) Godfrey On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I think I hate you... David Oswald wrote: Henri Toivonen wrote: Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. Add to that the new 120GB network hard drive. It's similar to those exernal USB hard drives, but instead plugs into my network. Once again, right out of the box it works as advertised, and without giving it any thought. So now the two notebooks can share this 120GB drive that I'll begin to fill up with images captured with the *ist-DS. Oh, and burning the images off to CD's has also proven to be a snap. And the HP lives gracefully on the same network as my Canon S820 printer, which is plugged into a Netgear print server. The S820 has become my text / casual printer, and the HP8450 gets to be my photo printer. I'm honestly surprised at how easily these three devices integrated into my home network without any special tweaking.
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Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (long sad story snipped) Sympathies from here.
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Hey, Pete. Most of the old Apple units had SCSI drives, which are arguably among the most reliable of disk drives. Ironically, the only disk drive I've owned that's ever failed me was a 4 gig Seagate SCSI paired with an identical drive in a RAID 0 configuration. The read/write heads wouldn't budge and the SCSI system wouldn't post past that drive. After considerable mechanical agitation, a low level format was required to recover funtionality. Ouch! On 4/20/05, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to tell you this, but the peripherals, especially drives and such like, are all the same, I'm running used Apple equipment in this PC even now. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: At the risk of starting the usual flame war, I have to say I haven't had a stupid computer week in about 4 years ... that was the week that my hard drive failed suddenly, two months from my last backup. That was my first system failure since 1985 too. Um ... Apple equipment running Mac OS since 1985... You can hate me too now. ];-) Godfrey On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I think I hate you... David Oswald wrote: Henri Toivonen wrote: Yeah it was stupid computer week here too. Last night the computer just rebooted, and when it got back up, poof, F: was missing. Windows said it wasn't formatted. Ofcourse that was where I had all my pics, none were backupped. Thank god a program called 'GetDataBack' saved my ass, and I got all the pics back. I've had a good computer week here, actually. I just got an HP Photosmart 8450. Plugged it into a network switch which is in turn plugged into the router, and presto, it worked just as expected. The built-in card reader even acts as an external drive, also network accessable. And the printer's software drivers installed easily on my two wifi-enabled notebooks. So I can print wirelessly from my notebooks. I'm even reasonably impressed with the driver suite. Add to that the new 120GB network hard drive. It's similar to those exernal USB hard drives, but instead plugs into my network. Once again, right out of the box it works as advertised, and without giving it any thought. So now the two notebooks can share this 120GB drive that I'll begin to fill up with images captured with the *ist-DS. Oh, and burning the images off to CD's has also proven to be a snap. And the HP lives gracefully on the same network as my Canon S820 printer, which is plugged into a Netgear print server. The S820 has become my text / casual printer, and the HP8450 gets to be my photo printer. I'm honestly surprised at how easily these three devices integrated into my home network without any special tweaking. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com
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you haven't had any external power problems recently, have you? separate computers dying like that could be a coincidence, but it might not be. last machine death i had was the IDE controller on the motherboard, probably because of a power glitch that got through the surge protectors and the power supply. took all of the IDE drives on the computer with it. luckily, all my CD drives are SCSI and i had take full backups just two days before. the only thing i lost were some email messages. i ended up replacing the entire machine except for the SCSI and Firewire controllers and the CD drives. Herb - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Stupid Computer Week. Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months
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my SCSI hard drives haven't been any more or less reliable than my IDE ones until a few years ago. that is when the consumer drives started failing more often. they don't make them like they used to for the cheap drives. Herb... - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Stupid Computer Week. Hey, Pete. Most of the old Apple units had SCSI drives, which are arguably among the most reliable of disk drives. Ironically, the only disk drive I've owned that's ever failed me was a 4 gig Seagate SCSI paired with an identical drive in a RAID 0 configuration. The read/write heads wouldn't budge and the SCSI system wouldn't post past that drive. After considerable mechanical agitation, a low level format was required to recover funtionality. Ouch!
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On 20 Apr 2005 at 21:19, Scott Loveless wrote: Hey, Pete. Most of the old Apple units had SCSI drives, which are arguably among the most reliable of disk drives. Ironically, the only disk drive I've owned that's ever failed me was a 4 gig Seagate SCSI paired with an identical drive in a RAID 0 configuration. The read/write heads wouldn't budge and the SCSI system wouldn't post past that drive. After considerable mechanical agitation, a low level format was required to recover funtionality. The vast majority of the SCSI drives used in Apple desktops were also available in PATA IDE interfaces. I've had plenty of high performance SCSI server drives fail me and consumer IDEs that seemed to go on forever. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Ouch! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:16 AM Subject: Stupid Computer Week. Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months Pentax Content On a positive side I've been able to install all the latest Pentax *ist-D software and I've decided that Pentax Remote assistant is actually pritty cool and maybe even usefull. /Pentax Content
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On 4/20/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting the usual flame war,SNIP Usual flame war, Godfrey? We never had a flame war until you came around... LOL cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: Stupid Computer Week. On 4/20/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the risk of starting the usual flame war,SNIP Usual flame war, Godfrey? We never had a flame war until you came around... I spent a lot of money trying to do to my brain that which you have done to yours. How much does it cost? William Robb
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I don't think so. The deaths were close together but not on the same day. The server wasn't on unless I needed it for testing. Just Murphy's law... Herb Chong wrote: you haven't had any external power problems recently, have you? separate computers dying like that could be a coincidence, but it might not be. last machine death i had was the IDE controller on the motherboard, probably because of a power glitch that got through the surge protectors and the power supply. took all of the IDE drives on the computer with it. luckily, all my CD drives are SCSI and i had take full backups just two days before. the only thing i lost were some email messages. i ended up replacing the entire machine except for the SCSI and Firewire controllers and the CD drives. Herb - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Stupid Computer Week. Well, I've just been forced to upgrade just about everything. First my Win2K server bites the big one. Mother board and Processor fried. No big loss I got both for free, and they were getting long in the tooth, I can re-use just about everything else in the case. I then discover that no new mother boards will use my the ancient video card so add that to the mix, (well at least I could re-use the case and drives). Next I discover the reason that the MB fried, the power supply smokes, yep just dies with a puff of acrid smoke, luckily it doesn't take anything else with it... this time. So it's off for a new power supply. Now everything seems to be copasetic. Of course Win2K boots to a blue screen, wrong drivers and all, but that's cool just re-install the OS. Damn, I forgot it would forget about all the software, (and updates, did I mention about updates...), so after getting hooked into the network fiddling with settings until everything can see each other and spending literally days downloading updates, it's time to reinstall software. I figure I'll do the stuff I have local first so I attach to the 85GB drive on my photo machine and start installing over the network. After the first couple of programs it STOPS! The network connection is frozen. The photo machine is blue-screened. The 4 year old 85GB decided to die right now!!! (It too appears to have smoked, same acrid smell of burned insulation, but everything else seems to be fine). It had the most unused space so I had a fair amount stored there. I've lost my PDML archive, most of the software and utilities I've downloaded and didn't bother to back up, and about 30 megs of images from the *ist-D that I hadn't backed up yet. (Not to mention a number of software projects that hadn't been worked on in a while that I hadn't bothered to save). Oh yes, my address book and calendar are gone as well web bookmarks, sheesh, you'd think I'd never had a hard drive fail before, but you get sloppy. Most things can be re-created but it will be just such a pain for weeks, maybe even months
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On 4/20/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent a lot of money trying to do to my brain that which you have done to yours. How much does it cost? It's not drugs, it's the aliens and the government, bombarding me with communications rays. It's not so bad when I go downstairs, into the lead-lined fruit cellar. It's just that I don't have a phone line down there yet, so I can't use the computer whilst being shielded from the rays. So, I get a bit confused sometimes when posting. Don't worry, Bill. It won't be so bad at GFM. It's in the mountains, you see. All that rock tends to reflect the rays away from me. Sheesh. I'd have thought all this stuff was common knowledge by now... vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Apr 20, 2005, at 5:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I hate to tell you this, but the peripherals, especially drives and such like, are all the same, I'm running used Apple equipment in this PC even now. Sure. But none of mine have failed. There must be something that's different. ;-) Godfrey
