Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
> I can make you mine, stop down to f/9 Mark! And strong competition to Bill's for quote of the year. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts >> wrote: >>> >>> Richard Womer wrote: >>> We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! >>> >>> I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under >>> the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. >>> >>> The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a >>> little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. >> >> We can dream! >> >> -- >> -bmw >> > > > Dream, dream, dream, dream > Dream, dream, dream, dream > > When I want you in my hands > When I want you and all your lens > Whenever I want you, all I have to do is > Dream, dream, dream, dream > > When I feel blue in the night > And I need you to auto-set the white balance just right > Whenever I want you, all I have to do is > Dream > > I can make you mine, stop down to f/9, > Anytime night or day > Only trouble is, gee whiz > Im dreamin my life away > > I need you so that I could die > I love you so and that is why > Whenever I want you, all I have to do is > Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream > > [With apologies to the Everly Brothers] > > stan > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
> The Nikon doesn't take Pentax lenses. If you have used both, you won't need > an explanation. > shouldn't it be possible to adapt 6x7 lenses to anything 35mm and smaller? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> >> Richard Womer wrote: >> >>> We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! >> >> I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under >> the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. >> >> The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a >> little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. > > We can dream! > > -- > -bmw > Dream, dream, dream, dream Dream, dream, dream, dream When I want you in my hands When I want you and all your lens Whenever I want you, all I have to do is Dream, dream, dream, dream When I feel blue in the night And I need you to auto-set the white balance just right Whenever I want you, all I have to do is Dream I can make you mine, stop down to f/9, Anytime night or day Only trouble is, gee whiz Im dreamin my life away I need you so that I could die I love you so and that is why Whenever I want you, all I have to do is Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream [With apologies to the Everly Brothers] stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill wrote: >My wife can only kill me once. Is it too early for a Quote of the Year award? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
On 07/07/2014 2:50 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: nikon d800 is much cheaper, why exclude it? D3x has advantages mostly in very specific realms of high-end sports photography, which definitely isn't a medium format's forte anyway. Only the size and price realy compare, but if you really want something big, well, just buy a mamiya rb67 and save a ton. Leica monochrome is just an expensive and very specialty item. Don't see why compare. All that aside, the z is definitely super cheap compared to even the past generation of mf solutions, but why not compare it to the d800, which is almost as good at everything it does, at a third of the price. The Nikon doesn't take Pentax lenses. If you have used both, you won't need an explanation. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/07/2014 2:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. I'm deciding if I should fire sale my 6x7 gear for some stupidly ridiculous price (I'm thinking the body, 8 lenses, bellows and accessories for somewhere around 500 dollars), or keep the stuff, and buy a 645 with an adapter to use the 6x7 lenses. My wife can only kill me once. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
Zos Xavius wrote: >From what I've heard the 6x7 lenses were superb and supposedly better >than the zeiss lenses hassy used on the V series and also better than >the 645 lenses. Most medium format lenses are much lower in absolute resolution than 35mm lenses. They don't need to be as good because they cover a much larger film (or sensor) area and thus yield equal size prints with much lower magnification and thus obtain very high print resolution without the need for the MTF numbers required of 35mm lenses. Interestingly, one of the exceptions to this is the Pentax 645 35mm/3.5 lens: It's reportedly superb even by 35mm standards and in the early days of full-frame digital there was a small business in Nikon-to-P645 and Canon-to-P645 adapters for people who wanted to use this lens (I think Zorki or someone also made a shift or tilt/shift adapter to take advantage of the medium format lens' large image circle). -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
>From what I've heard the 6x7 lenses were superb and supposedly better than the zeiss lenses hassy used on the V series and also better than the 645 lenses. I don't know how true that exactly is, but I've heard it repeated from various people that shot MF with pentax bodies. If you factor 3-4 really good primes to match the D800, I'm guessing that the price point doesn't look all that different, though I must say the new 645 lenses are definitely not cheap by any means. You could build a film era kit for what, somewhere between $1-2000? Some of those lenses won't match the Z's sensor, but I imagine would at least keep you in D800 territory. If you ask me, the D800 pushes glass hard and that makes getting the best results out of it an expensive proposition anyways. It takes fairly good lenses to match even a 24mp sensor, so unless you just want at best 20-24mp images using 2nd rate glass. If that's the case, you're still getting nowhere near the 645Z in terms of resolving power. The pixel pitch and smaller format means diffraction is going to cut in faster as well, negating the benefit of lacking an AA filter. The D800 is diffraction limited at f5.6. The 645Z looks like its at f8 or so if this calculator I'm using is correct. Probably a stop ahead. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: > >>well, you can also use the mf lenses on almost anything :D > > Sadly, I think the 645-to-k-mount adapter is out of production. And it > didn't support autofocus. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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true, well nothing than. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: > >>well, you can also use the mf lenses on almost anything :D > > Sadly, I think the 645-to-k-mount adapter is out of production. And it > didn't support autofocus. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: >well, you can also use the mf lenses on almost anything :D Sadly, I think the 645-to-k-mount adapter is out of production. And it didn't support autofocus. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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well, you can also use the mf lenses on almost anything :D On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>If I felt a strong need for a large sensor camera I'd go for the 8.5K 645Z >>over a Nikon D3x, which is 7K. And it's only $500 more than a Leica >>monochrome. >> >>Not a bad price for a medium format DSLR. A slam dunk vs. the above. > > Oh yes. Amazing price for a med format DSLR. And astonishing value. > It's a slam dunk if you want an MF DSLR and have that much money. It's > just that most of us don't meet either qualification! > > Of course, it's not just the camera you have to buy but lenses as well > and all the MF lenses are well expensive. The reason someone might > get, say, a D810 would be if they needed specialized wide angle or > super-telephoto glass (or tilt-shift) and also so they could also use > its lenses on their APS-C camera. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
Paul Stenquist wrote: >If I felt a strong need for a large sensor camera Id go for the 8.5K 645Z >over a Nikon D3x, which is 7K. And its only $500 more than a Leica >monochrome. > >Not a bad price for a medium format DSLR. A slam dunk vs. the above. Oh yes. Amazing price for a med format DSLR. And astonishing value. It's a slam dunk if you want an MF DSLR and have that much money. It's just that most of us don't meet either qualification! Of course, it's not just the camera you have to buy but lenses as well and all the MF lenses are well expensive. The reason someone might get, say, a D810 would be if they needed specialized wide angle or super-telephoto glass (or tilt-shift) and also so they could also use its lenses on their APS-C camera. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
nikon d800 is much cheaper, why exclude it? D3x has advantages mostly in very specific realms of high-end sports photography, which definitely isn't a medium format's forte anyway. Only the size and price realy compare, but if you really want something big, well, just buy a mamiya rb67 and save a ton. Leica monochrome is just an expensive and very specialty item. Don't see why compare. All that aside, the z is definitely super cheap compared to even the past generation of mf solutions, but why not compare it to the d800, which is almost as good at everything it does, at a third of the price. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > If I felt a strong need for a large sensor camera I'd go for the 8.5K 645Z > over a Nikon D3x, which is 7K. And it's only $500 more than a Leica > monochrome. > > Not a bad price for a medium format DSLR. A slam dunk vs. the above. > > Paul > On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Richard Womer wrote: >> >>> Aw, c'mon guys, lighten up! The reviewers criticize the green button >>> and the video, and wonder about the trade-offs of size, price, and >>> performance compared to smaller cameras (esp. 24x36). They also say >>> (just going quickly through the review): >>> >>> "But we have to put these relatively minor critiques in context: the >>> 645Z is light-years ahead of any other MF-class camera, and frankly >>> better than just about all of the FF 35mm machines in user interface." >>> >>> "It's almost like an actual photographer was involved in the design. >>> Revolutionary." >>> >>> "The files off the "Z" are superb." >>> >>> "Here's the kicker..the 21MP, 'lowest' quality jpegs were, >>> on-screen, just amazing. Converted to B&W, and tweaked quite a bit in >>> LR, they are gorgeous." "All of this comes in the context of a camera >>> with amazing high ISO capabilities. CCDs simply cannot compete on >>> that front at all. "Bottom line is superb IQ. " >>> >>> "The "Z" is a real working pro's field camera in every sense. It's a >>> camera that's almost never annoying to use, and will no doubt be a >>> trusty companion for years of use. I suspect the people who buy them >>> will grow to love them." >>> >>> "The Pentax 645D may well have the best high ISO performance of any >>> camera to date (including the Sony A7s), and with little doubt has the >>> lowest noise high ISO performance of any medium format camera, >>> including as best we can tell that of the Phase One and Hasselblads >>> that use the same sensor." >>> >>> " It's a world-class image-maker in every regard, and the fullest >>> realization of the dream of a 35mm quality MF camera." >>> >>> We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! >> >> I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under >> the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. >> >> The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a >> little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
If I felt a strong need for a large sensor camera I’d go for the 8.5K 645Z over a Nikon D3x, which is 7K. And it’s only $500 more than a Leica monochrome. Not a bad price for a medium format DSLR. A slam dunk vs. the above. Paul On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Richard Womer wrote: > >> Aw, c'mon guys, lighten up! The reviewers criticize the green button >> and the video, and wonder about the trade-offs of size, price, and >> performance compared to smaller cameras (esp. 24x36). They also say >> (just going quickly through the review): >> >> "But we have to put these relatively minor critiques in context: the >> 645Z is light-years ahead of any other MF-class camera, and frankly >> better than just about all of the FF 35mm machines in user interface." >> >> "It's almost like an actual photographer was involved in the design. >> Revolutionary." >> >> "The files off the "Z" are superb." >> >> "Here's the kicker..the 21MP, 'lowest' quality jpegs were, >> on-screen, just amazing. Converted to B&W, and tweaked quite a bit in >> LR, they are gorgeous." "All of this comes in the context of a camera >> with amazing high ISO capabilities. CCDs simply cannot compete on >> that front at all. "Bottom line is superb IQ. " >> >> "The "Z" is a real working pro's field camera in every sense. It's a >> camera that's almost never annoying to use, and will no doubt be a >> trusty companion for years of use. I suspect the people who buy them >> will grow to love them." >> >> "The Pentax 645D may well have the best high ISO performance of any >> camera to date (including the Sony A7s), and with little doubt has the >> lowest noise high ISO performance of any medium format camera, >> including as best we can tell that of the Phase One and Hasselblads >> that use the same sensor." >> >> " It's a world-class image-maker in every regard, and the fullest >> realization of the dream of a 35mm quality MF camera." >> >> We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! > > I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under > the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. > > The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a > little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
i also find that they rarely praise a piece of gear that much. all of the criticisms also completely stand, afaic On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> >> Richard Womer wrote: >> >> >We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! >> >> I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under >> the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. >> >> The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a >> little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. > > We can dream! > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Richard Womer wrote: > > >We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! > > I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under > the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. > > The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a > little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. We can dream! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Richard Womer wrote: >Aw, c'mon guys, lighten up! The reviewers criticize the green button >and the video, and wonder about the trade-offs of size, price, and >performance compared to smaller cameras (esp. 24x36). They also say >(just going quickly through the review): > >"But we have to put these relatively minor critiques in context: the >645Z is light-years ahead of any other MF-class camera, and frankly >better than just about all of the FF 35mm machines in user interface." > >"It's almost like an actual photographer was involved in the design. >Revolutionary." > >"The files off the "Z" are superb." > >"Here's the kicker..the 21MP, 'lowest' quality jpegs were, >on-screen, just amazing. Converted to B&W, and tweaked quite a bit in >LR, they are gorgeous." "All of this comes in the context of a camera >with amazing high ISO capabilities. CCDs simply cannot compete on >that front at all. "Bottom line is superb IQ. " > >"The "Z" is a real working pro's field camera in every sense. It's a >camera that's almost never annoying to use, and will no doubt be a >trusty companion for years of use. I suspect the people who buy them >will grow to love them." > >"The Pentax 645D may well have the best high ISO performance of any >camera to date (including the Sony A7s), and with little doubt has the >lowest noise high ISO performance of any medium format camera, >including as best we can tell that of the Phase One and Hasselblads >that use the same sensor." > >" It's a world-class image-maker in every regard, and the fullest >realization of the dream of a 35mm quality MF camera." > >We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! I read that review a few days ago and considered posting it here under the title "Rave Review of 645Z at Luminous Landscape". Seriously. The only reason I didn't is that the 645Z is so expensive it's a little irrelevant for virtually everyone here. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Aw, c'mon guys, lighten up! The reviewers criticize the green button and the video, and wonder about the trade-offs of size, price, and performance compared to smaller cameras (esp. 24x36). They also say (just going quickly through the review): "But we have to put these relatively minor critiques in context: the 645Z is light-years ahead of any other MF-class camera, and frankly better than just about all of the FF 35mm machines in user interface." "It's almost like an actual photographer was involved in the design. Revolutionary." "The files off the "Z" are superb." "Here's the kicker..the 21MP, 'lowest' quality jpegs were, on-screen, just amazing. Converted to B&W, and tweaked quite a bit in LR, they are gorgeous." "All of this comes in the context of a camera with amazing high ISO capabilities. CCDs simply cannot compete on that front at all. "Bottom line is superb IQ. " "The "Z" is a real working pro's field camera in every sense. It's a camera that's almost never annoying to use, and will no doubt be a trusty companion for years of use. I suspect the people who buy them will grow to love them." "The Pentax 645D may well have the best high ISO performance of any camera to date (including the Sony A7s), and with little doubt has the lowest noise high ISO performance of any medium format camera, including as best we can tell that of the Phase One and Hasselblads that use the same sensor." " It's a world-class image-maker in every regard, and the fullest realization of the dream of a 35mm quality MF camera." We all need negative, nitpicking reviews like that! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > Bitching about the green button and auto iso? Really? Seems like they > had to find things to nitpick. You can set the green button to toggle > auto iso, but I guess they didn't realize that. The interface is > pretty damned customizable. > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote: >> An aggravated, uninspired reluctant literal utterance that simply reflects >> his frustration at failing to produce a negative review. >> >> J >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "P.J. Alling" >> To: "PDML" >> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 8:25:05 AM >> Subject: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z >> >> In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't >> really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every >> photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? >> >> -- >> A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the >> crazy, crazier. >> >> - H.L.Mencken >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bitching about the green button and auto iso? Really? Seems like they had to find things to nitpick. You can set the green button to toggle auto iso, but I guess they didn't realize that. The interface is pretty damned customizable. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > An aggravated, uninspired reluctant literal utterance that simply reflects > his frustration at failing to produce a negative review. > > J > > - Original Message - > From: "P.J. Alling" > To: "PDML" > Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 8:25:05 AM > Subject: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z > > In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't > really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every > photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, > crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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An aggravated, uninspired reluctant literal utterance that simply reflects his frustration at failing to produce a negative review. J - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 8:25:05 AM Subject: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
This is not inconsistent with my general impression of LL; I'm not sure it's any worse than it ever was. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't > really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every > photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the > crazy, crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
To suggest that nobody really needs it would be like telling wedding (film) photographers that their blads were unnecessary, that 135 was enough. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
LL clearly didn't want to give this camera a favorable review and yet kind of had to because there is so little to fault about the camera. On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't > really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every > photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the > crazy, crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Luminous Landscape previews 645Z
In which after deciding it's pretty good, the author says since I don't really need it, probably no one else does... Is it me or is every photography news blog becoming Kennyboy's? -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
