Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, engineering question)
From: John Francis On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver When I was a young man, the local version was Screwdrivers are for taking them out! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
I'm a chemist; use glue. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. :-) Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
Sounds like something Larry would say... On 10/24/2012 12:15 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. :-) Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
You mean percussion adjustment tool... On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You mean percussion adjustment tool... On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
If it breaks it needed to be replaced anyway. On 10/24/2012 4:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: You mean percussion adjustment tool... On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with is Birmingham screwdriver -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. Doug doesn't need a torque wrench, he just tightens it until it strips, then backs it off a quarter turn. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On 2012-10-24 16:49, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. Doug doesn't need a torque wrench, he just tightens it until it strips, then backs it off a quarter turn. Followed by application of Shoe-Goo, SuperGlue, or JB Weld, as appropriate. Oh, and a safety wire. Never forget the safety wire. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than screws) What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw hammered with a hammer? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, engineering question)
The threads on a screw are only intended for removal. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org To:PDML@pdml.net Subject: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question) Message-ID:201210231509.q9nf9uqb045...@trantor.komkon.org On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than screws) What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw hammered with a hammer? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
Totally depends on the end use. How is the structure loaded? Would you put the fastener in shear or tension? Makes all the difference in the world, mechanically. In any case, a screw hammered in with a hammer is stupid. Works less efficiently then a nail would, and is pitiful in tension (pulling along the axis of the fastener.) keith whaley On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than screws) What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw hammered with a hammer? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, engineering question)
On 23/10/2012 10:19 AM, Don Guthrie wrote: The threads on a screw are only intended for removal. Remind me not to ask you to build anything for me -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
On 24 October 2012 02:09, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than screws) What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw hammered with a hammer? Well, the first option is physically impossible (I've ever seen a nail with a screw head), so the 2nd option wins. FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)
They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. :-) Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
