Re: Why no videos?
On Mar 21, 2011, at 16:04, Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 March 2011 03:45, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I abhor most HDR imagery, and since I shoot RAW that's not something I'd take advantage of anyways. Unfortunately the original definition of an HDR image seems to have become distorted, RAW files by definition are HDR images, I suspect that it's more radical tone-mapping that you abhor ;-) You are correct - I was referring to the radical mapping of nasty colors and halos all that is related to the artsy style of HDR images. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 21, 2011, at 16:04, Rob Studdert wrote: On 22 March 2011 03:45, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I abhor most HDR imagery, and since I shoot RAW that's not something I'd take advantage of anyways. Unfortunately the original definition of an HDR image seems to have become distorted, RAW files by definition are HDR images, I suspect that it's more radical tone-mapping that you abhor ;-) You are correct - I was referring to the radical mapping of nasty colors and halos all that is related to the artsy style of HDR images. -Charles That's my feeling, too , Charles. just too over the top for my tastes. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: Your job excludes you from this thread, Cottycam. Always happy to take the piss er I mean offer encouraging wisdom. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
;) On 3/21/2011 3:53 AM, Cotty wrote: On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: Your job excludes you from this thread, Cottycam. Always happy to take the piss er I mean offer encouraging wisdom. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? I don't have a camera that does video, but its not a selling feature for me. Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) My super 8's are. Is making decent videos just too hard? See above Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? Old cat here. Dave For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Aside from the price and low-light performance, the video capability and in-camera HDR on my K-x were two of the biggest selling points for me. In the ten months I've owned her, I've shot approximately 30 seconds of video and exactly one in-camera HDR capture with my K-x. I wonder how many other buyers went in with the same intentions only to discover that they're the least appealing features of the camera. -- Walt On 3/20/2011 10:11 AM, Cory Waters wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: So, Why no VESOs, y'all? 'Cause it's a ~photography~ list, dammit! Oops. I just checked the name of the list again, and I suppose it's a Pentax list. Pentax makes cameras with video capability now... I guess there's no reason not to show videos for those with the capability, is there? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I just checked the name of the list again, and I suppose it's a Pentax list. Pentax makes cameras with video capability now... I guess there's no reason not to show videos for those with the capability, is there? Be careful. Pentax makes lots of things. If you pursue this line of reasoning, we'll be seeing Colonoscopy Every So Often posts. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:21, Walter Gilbert wrote: Aside from the price and low-light performance, the video capability and in-camera HDR on my K-x were two of the biggest selling points for me. In the ten months I've owned her, I've shot approximately 30 seconds of video and exactly one in-camera HDR capture with my K-x. I wonder how many other buyers went in with the same intentions only to discover that they're the least appealing features of the camera. I abhor most HDR imagery, and since I shoot RAW that's not something I'd take advantage of anyways. As for video, though - occasionally I'll find myself in a situation where a still doesn't appropriately convey what I've seen/experienced. In that case, I might do a slow panorama or walkthrough of my location to kind of set the scene. Most times, such a video is only about 30 seconds - kind of a motion-based panorama. But that's maybe once every month or two, at most. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:21, Walter Gilbert wrote: I abhor most HDR imagery, and since I shoot RAW that's not something I'd take advantage of anyways. As for video, though - occasionally I'll find myself in a situation where a still doesn't appropriately convey what I've seen/experienced. In that case, I might do a slow panorama or walkthrough of my location to kind of set the scene. Most times, such a video is only about 30 seconds - kind of a motion-based panorama. But that's maybe once every month or two, at most. There are indeed times when a still doesn't convey everything that a video does. For example at the end of a dance class when the instructors are doing a review of the dance routine that they just taught, or when my friends are playing their reggae cover of all along the watchtower. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On 22 March 2011 03:45, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: I abhor most HDR imagery, and since I shoot RAW that's not something I'd take advantage of anyways. Unfortunately the original definition of an HDR image seems to have become distorted, RAW files by definition are HDR images, I suspect that it's more radical tone-mapping that you abhor ;-) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Why no videos?
Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
I'm not interested in doing videos. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just a still life shooter. To be honest, I usually don't like looking at them either. -Original Message- From: Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:11:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Why no videos? Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
For me video is a write-only medium. The programs for taking raw video and polishing it are so huge and complex and irritating that I just can't bring myself to struggle with them. So I shoot video then let it languish unprocessed. -T On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Not having a K5, couldn't possibly comment :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? I have video capture capability with the E-5 and have captured a few clips. They're fun ... http://www.gdgphoto.com/menlo_school/ ... but hardly what I'd consider representative of the medium's capabilities. I'm interested to do more motion work however. I purchased a book ... From Still To Motion by Ball, Harrington et al ... which looks to be a good starting point from which to do more sophisticated work. Haven't had time this year as yet but as my book contract is winding down, I'm looking forward to having the time to get more involved with it. When I was in High School and started college, I did a lot of cine work in 16mm. Capturing motion, doing sophisticated films, takes planning, scripting, etc. For more than very carefully contrived or simple efforts, it's a team sport. I'm not interested in the funniest crappy home videos level of motion capture, so doing anything significant in this domain implies a good bit of learning and practice time before I start pumping out video of the day things. ... -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Why no videos?
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cory Waters There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. [...] Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? everyone's intimidated because Orson Wells is one of our members. Apart from that I'd quite like to make one when I have a camera with video. Not because I have a burning desire to make videos in general, but because there is one particular scene I watch occasionally here that I would like to put on film and show people. I think it would also be quite interesting to try and make a short movie because I'm doing a course in French cinema, and in my experience actually trying to do something yourself yields a great deal of insight into the difficulties other people face. Jean-Luc Godard said To make a film all you need is a girl and a gun, but I suspect it helps if you also have a camera. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Video takes a lot of work to do well and generally requires a lot more support than stills do. And most DSLR's produce lousy video (particularly Pentax and Sony Video-capable DSLR's). And you need a new set of software to edit (and good video involves a LOT more editing than stills work). Frankly unless you're a PJ, event shooter or somebody shooting clips for personal use (video snapshots of kids/family/friends) Video on DSLR's is mostly useless and requires skills that most still shooters don't have and aren't interested in developing. Personally I've shot a bit with both the K-x and now the A33. But the results were shit, much as I expected. I don't feel like spending the time necessary learning to get good at it, even though I've actually got a reasonable amount of experience (I've been doing bits of video on and off for 20 years now) -Adam On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Cory - I pointed to two VESO's on youtube and smugmug of mine and hardly anyone commented -- although a couple did of course -- they were taken with a (s) darkside PS I looked at them as a diversion not taking them too seriously, just for fun kinda thing - they were an awful lot of work. they are here- if you are curious and didnt see'em before. http://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/videos/11197641_mr8gw/1/1170562534_kPJ5z/Large http://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/videos/11197641_mr8gw/1/1179653106_t57MJ/Large ann Cotty wrote: On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Not having a K5, couldn't possibly comment :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
Adam Maas wrote: Video takes a lot of work to do well and generally requires a lot more support than stills do. And most DSLR's produce lousy video (particularly Pentax and Sony Video-capable DSLR's). And you need a new set of software to edit (and good video involves a LOT more editing than stills work). Frankly unless you're a PJ, event shooter or somebody shooting clips for personal use (video snapshots of kids/family/friends) Video on DSLR's is mostly useless and requires skills that most still shooters don't have and aren't interested in developing. Personally I've shot a bit with both the K-x and now the A33. But the results were shit, much as I expected. I don't feel like spending the time necessary learning to get good at it, even though I've actually got a reasonable amount of experience (I've been doing bits of video on and off for 20 years now) -Adam agree with all the above about the work and the quality not often being worth it. ... but I did find it useful to sell a music box on ebay - because I could give the potential buyers a link to youtube and they could hear the music play and see it rotate and prove to some doubting friends just how very smart my cat is :-) ann but I did mine with the Canon ps Sx120 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
On 20/3/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: everyone's intimidated because Orson Wells is one of our members. As is Victor Meldrew! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
I only use the video feature on my k-7 occasionally. I agree that the editing is a bear... I haven't gone too far down that rabbithole, except to play around a bit in iMovie. My kids seem to have more facility with it, though (They've taught me everything I know!). I expect the next generation of photographers will be more comfortable as part-time videographers than we are. And just for laughs, here's a couple of (short) VESOs... amateur would be a generous description of these... From our bike tour in Durango last summer, shot with the k-7: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4910974632/in/set-72157622646199475/ My first surf, shot by my 11 yr old daughter on a ps. (You've been warned...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4828803595/in/set-72157622646199475/ :) -c On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why no videos?
I've tun the K-5 in movie mode a few times, but without any forethought or effort. So I have nothing worth showing. I have a magnifying hood I bought for shooting video, and I'll eventually try harder. I did post a short video clip on facebook -- a clip I shot with my droid phone. Paul On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cory Waters There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. [...] Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? everyone's intimidated because Orson Wells is one of our members. Apart from that I'd quite like to make one when I have a camera with video. Not because I have a burning desire to make videos in general, but because there is one particular scene I watch occasionally here that I would like to put on film and show people. I think it would also be quite interesting to try and make a short movie because I'm doing a course in French cinema, and in my experience actually trying to do something yourself yields a great deal of insight into the difficulties other people face. Jean-Luc Godard said To make a film all you need is a girl and a gun, but I suspect it helps if you also have a camera. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Cory Waters wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. I've posted links to one or two. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Cotty has definitely posted a few links to his own work. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? My videography is about one step up from the equivalent of snapshots with an instamatic. Actually, that's not quite true, the image quality of videos that my K-x or K-5 are capable of is gobsmacking, so my videos are more akin to facebook, friends partying in the bar snapshots taken by a drunken fratboy, with a hasselblad. For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Because I don't want to try to edit that crap into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch, and both of mine passed away decades ago. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Nielsen [...] And just for laughs, here's a couple of (short) VESOs... amateur would be a generous description of these... From our bike tour in Durango last summer, shot with the k-7: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4910974632/in/set- 72157622646199475/ no llores, mi querida - soon the bikes will take you to Durango. My first surf, shot by my 11 yr old daughter on a ps. (You've been warned...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4828803595/in/set- 72157622646199475/ that's great! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually those are fun - the surfing one is a bit dark but it is cute to see someone totally screw up on a surf board so you see how hard it must really be : -) and you musical selections are right on. ann Christine Nielsen wrote: I only use the video feature on my k-7 occasionally. I agree that the editing is a bear... I haven't gone too far down that rabbithole, except to play around a bit in iMovie. My kids seem to have more facility with it, though (They've taught me everything I know!). I expect the next generation of photographers will be more comfortable as part-time videographers than we are. And just for laughs, here's a couple of (short) VESOs... amateur would be a generous description of these... From our bike tour in Durango last summer, shot with the k-7: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4910974632/in/set-72157622646199475/ My first surf, shot by my 11 yr old daughter on a ps. (You've been warned...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4828803595/in/set-72157622646199475/ :) -c On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 20, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: My videography is about one step up from the equivalent of snapshots with an instamatic. Actually, that's not quite true, the image quality of videos that my K-x or K-5 are capable of is gobsmacking, so my videos are more akin to facebook, friends partying in the bar snapshots taken by a drunken fratboy, with a hasselblad. But if you're in a masochistic mood: http://www.youtube.com/user/henryofarad#g/u Although, when I set up the grid of IREDs to help me aim and focus my IR converted camera, I found that while they weren't enough light for still photos, they were enough light for videos. It's kind of fun getting video of people in a dark room, when they can't see the light that you're using to shoot with: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157607728280926/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Ann Bob. They were pure fun... not great cinematography, but great memories, nonetheless. Of course, the Grandmas loved 'em! :) -c On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Actually those are fun - the surfing one is a bit dark but it is cute to see someone totally screw up on a surf board so you see how hard it must really be : -) and you musical selections are right on. ann Christine Nielsen wrote: I only use the video feature on my k-7 occasionally. I agree that the editing is a bear... I haven't gone too far down that rabbithole, except to play around a bit in iMovie. My kids seem to have more facility with it, though (They've taught me everything I know!). I expect the next generation of photographers will be more comfortable as part-time videographers than we are. And just for laughs, here's a couple of (short) VESOs... amateur would be a generous description of these... From our bike tour in Durango last summer, shot with the k-7: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4910974632/in/set-72157622646199475/ My first surf, shot by my 11 yr old daughter on a ps. (You've been warned...) http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/4828803595/in/set-72157622646199475/ :) -c On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello list, There seems to be quite a number of you folks out there who now have newer DSLRs with video capabilities. It's been a year or more since these cameras came online but I don't see any VideoESOs flying past in the PDML. Granted, I don't check the list as often as I used to and I don't read nearly as many of your messages as I once did (I AM still watching you though...Cotty... and Frank... and Doug) but I figured by now video submissions would be a common occurrence around here. Is video a gimmick feature that you just don't use? Are your videos too racy? (let us judge ;) Is making decent videos just too hard? Or are you guys just too much the old dog type or even purists? For my part, having at least six video cameras lying around the house (I'm actually surprised by this number but I'm counting the cell phones and PS cameras + 1 Flip style camera), I find that the same problems that have plagued us since the days of film-based home movies. Just rolling during family events and outings produces lots of crap footage that nobody really wants to edit into a package that anyone besides Grandma would want to watch. So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/3/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty has definitely posted a few links to his own work. None from a DSLR though - not that I would be averse to trying it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your job excludes you from this thread, Cottycam. On 3/20/2011 12:41 PM, Cotty wrote: On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Not having a K5, couldn't possibly comment :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What, videographers are excluded from talking about videography? What if photographers were excluded from talking about photography on the PDML? Oh yeah ... there would be enough chatter to fill the gap anyway. Never mind. ;-) On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: Your job excludes you from this thread, Cottycam. On 3/20/2011 12:41 PM, Cotty wrote: On 20/3/11, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: So, Why no VESOs, y'all? Not having a K5, couldn't possibly comment :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
