Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Ryan Lee a écrit: Salut Michel! Yep that link's better. I just checked it out- I must say I don't understand anything on that page, but for the record, the stuff you made looks really neat. The clip for the flash looks metal though.. is it? Yes it's an old full metal clip. There is no problem when using the flash as slave or P-TTL. By Power Tanslator: ... To use a cordless flash slave it is necessary to use a steady support: Trick: I achieved a support multifunctions while screwing a claw of recuperation flash on a tablet of PVC: - to put: it maintains the horizontal flash put for example on a piece of furniture. - fast fixing: under the tablet a profile of trapezoidal section compliant to my tripod (DIN 4503) built in several thickness of PVC counter glued. - for standard tripod: a 1/4 hole in the thickness of the profile in V. The clip is metallic, it is not necessary that contacts are isolated. ... Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Thanks for the translation Michel.. I'm sure all the information will come in handy one day. I don't think I'm going to venture into making my own just yet though, but I might sometime down the road. Cheers, Ryan From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan Lee a écrit: Salut Michel! Yep that link's better. I just checked it out- I must say I don't understand anything on that page, but for the record, the stuff you made looks really neat. The clip for the flash looks metal though.. is it? Yes it's an old full metal clip. There is no problem when using the flash as slave or P-TTL. By Power Tanslator: ... To use a cordless flash slave it is necessary to use a steady support: Trick: I achieved a support multifunctions while screwing a claw of recuperation flash on a tablet of PVC: - to put: it maintains the horizontal flash put for example on a piece of furniture. - fast fixing: under the tablet a profile of trapezoidal section compliant to my tripod (DIN 4503) built in several thickness of PVC counter glued. - for standard tripod: a 1/4 hole in the thickness of the profile in V. The clip is metallic, it is not necessary that contacts are isolated. ... Michel
Re: Re[4]: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
There is just no good automagic way of doing multiple, off camera flashes. With studio flashes you: get a meter, use a digital camera (even a PS) to check a histogram (you can check this with a PS by uploading the file into PS), or shoot many, many rolls of film. If your shooting a subject, and want a 1:3 lighting ratio (1.5 stop difference) from one side to the other, TTL won't work. Your better off using both flashes in Auto mode, and set them to give different amounts of light. If I was shooting a person and given the choice between: two independently controlled lights (say into umbrellas), one light and fill card, one light and one light with on camera fill flash; the on camera light would be last and I wouldn't bother with it. You can do studio lighting on the cheap, but there are certain basic capabilities you need to get decent results. BR From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could you please explain this further. I had actually planned on the slave providing most of the light and the popup or hotshoe mounted flash providing the minority of the light. I'm afraid I'm still a bit lost here. I have the PZ-1p and PZ-1 cameras at this point and have no wireless to play with as yet in my Pentax equipment. I also have acquired a professional stand type modeling flash with 3 variing outputs from a local photographer that retired, only $40, and of course would like to implement it. Unfortunately I do not possess any metering equipment other then on camera metering. I have the AF360FGZ and a couple of other off brand flashes for pentax. one of which supports TTL and AF. I had planned to use a minisoftbox on my hotshoe on camera flash with the slaves.
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Ryan, ordinary plastic flash clip will do, no real need for one with pentax name on it. The important thing is that the surface of the clip that comes in contact with flash pins is all plastic so the shortcutting among pins cannot occur. I use one that I bought in a local photo store, it can be attached onto the tripod and also comes with a bounce joint at the bottom. It does the job of holding the flash where I want just fine. Matjaz Hiya wise Pentaxian panel.. About using the af360fgz flash as a wireless slave with an mz5n (using the popup flash to trigger the slave), I was wondering about this bit in the manual: To prevent accidental short-circuiting of the flash unit's hot shoe contacts, attach the Off-Camera Shoe Grip or Off-Camera Shoe Clip CL-10 when using the flash unit as a slave unit. and this bit in a separate section: When using a flash unit separated from the camera, use of the Off-camera shoe adapter F or the Off-camera shoe clip CL-10 is recommended. While the latter remark seems a bit more passive, the former seems to warn of dire consequences. Since I don't have either accessory, I was wondering what the real risk is (of using a wireless slave without a clip, grip thingie). Also, how much do they cost anyway (anyone got spares lying around they want to offload?) Rgds, Ryan
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Ryan Lee a écrit: Hiya wise Pentaxian panel.. About using the af360fgz flash as a wireless slave with an mz5n (using the popup flash to trigger the slave), I was wondering about this bit in the manual: To prevent accidental short-circuiting of the flash unit's hot shoe contacts, attach the Off-Camera Shoe Grip or Off-Camera Shoe Clip CL-10 when using the flash unit as a slave unit. and this bit in a separate section: When using a flash unit separated from the camera, use of the Off-camera shoe adapter F or the Off-camera shoe clip CL-10 is recommended. While the latter remark seems a bit more passive, the former seems to warn of dire consequences. Since I don't have either accessory, I was wondering what the real risk is (of using a wireless slave without a clip, grip thingie). Also, how much do they cost anyway (anyone got spares lying around they want to offload?) I use a home made shoe with full metal socket: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/photo/bricolage.htm#Support flash Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Hi Michel, I tried going to the URL, but even cutting and pasting the whole line gets a broken link. Was it a typo? Rgds, Ryan From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a home made shoe with full metal socket: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/photo/bricolage.htm#Support flash Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Hi Matjaz, That pretty much clears it up. I'll be on the lookout for one just like that with the tripod mount. Cheers, Ryan From: Matjaz Osojnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan, ordinary plastic flash clip will do, no real need for one with pentax name on it. The important thing is that the surface of the clip that comes in contact with flash pins is all plastic so the shortcutting among pins cannot occur. I use one that I bought in a local photo store, it can be attached onto the tripod and also comes with a bounce joint at the bottom. It does the job of holding the flash where I want just fine. Matjaz Hiya wise Pentaxian panel.. About using the af360fgz flash as a wireless slave with an mz5n (using the popup flash to trigger the slave), I was wondering about this bit in the manual: To prevent accidental short-circuiting of the flash unit's hot shoe contacts, attach the Off-Camera Shoe Grip or Off-Camera Shoe Clip CL-10 when using the flash unit as a slave unit. and this bit in a separate section: When using a flash unit separated from the camera, use of the Off-camera shoe adapter F or the Off-camera shoe clip CL-10 is recommended. While the latter remark seems a bit more passive, the former seems to warn of dire consequences. Since I don't have either accessory, I was wondering what the real risk is (of using a wireless slave without a clip, grip thingie). Also, how much do they cost anyway (anyone got spares lying around they want to offload?) Rgds, Ryan
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Mike, Matjaz, Michel, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just thought of something- because the mz5n hasn't got wireless TTL with the af360fgz, am I right to say that to fix up all the connections to have a remote flash (wired) I'd probably need the Pentax labelled bits anyway if I wanted to use remote TTL? Rgds, Ryan
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Ryan Lee a écrit: Hi Michel, I tried going to the URL, but even cutting and pasting the whole line gets a broken link. Was it a typo? Rgds, Ryan From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a home made shoe with full metal socket: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/photo/bricolage.htm#Support flash Try: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/bricolage.htm#Support%20flash or http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/bricolage.htm And go to Support Flash Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Ryan Lee a écrit: Mike, Matjaz, Michel, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just thought of something- because the mz5n hasn't got wireless TTL with the af360fgz, am I right to say that to fix up all the connections to have a remote flash (wired) I'd probably need the Pentax labelled bits anyway if I wanted to use remote TTL? The MZ5n has not wireless flash, but AF360FGZ con work as slave flash with all bodies (use channel 2) Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit: Ryan Lee a écrit: Mike, Matjaz, Michel, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just thought of something- because the mz5n hasn't got wireless TTL with the af360fgz, am I right to say that to fix up all the connections to have a remote flash (wired) I'd probably need the Pentax labelled bits anyway if I wanted to use remote TTL? The MZ5n has not wireless flash, but AF360FGZ con work as slave flash with all bodies (use channel 2) Use mode slave 2, not channel 2. Michel
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Salut Michel! Yep that link's better. I just checked it out- I must say I don't understand anything on that page, but for the record, the stuff you made looks really neat. The clip for the flash looks metal though.. is it? Cheers, Ryan From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a home made shoe with full metal socket: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/bricolage.htm#Support%20flash
Re[2]: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
No TTL that way. You must manually set flash output and probably meter manually. Also need to take into account the popup flash on the MZ-5n. If you want off camera flash and TTL, you are going to need cords and connectors from Pentax. --- Bruce Saturday, October 25, 2003, 9:42:41 AM, you wrote: MCG Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit: Ryan Lee a écrit: Mike, Matjaz, Michel, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just thought of something- because the mz5n hasn't got wireless TTL with the af360fgz, am I right to say that to fix up all the connections to have a remote flash (wired) I'd probably need the Pentax labelled bits anyway if I wanted to use remote TTL? The MZ5n has not wireless flash, but AF360FGZ con work as slave flash with all bodies (use channel 2) MCG Use mode slave 2, not channel 2. MCG Michel
Re: Re[2]: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
I also am very interested in this use of slave flash. I would have expected the TTL functions to operate normally on the camera for not only the onboard or external mounted flash but also for the slave flash. If you set the slave for less then you expect to need 1/16 etc, then the on camera flash would make up the difference wouldn't it? It would read the total provided light from both flashes via TTL and provide the necessary amount on the on camera flash to provide correct exposure. I'm not saying I know this to be true, but rather pose this as a question. Dave No TTL that way. You must manually set flash output and probably meter manually. Also need to take into account the popup flash on the MZ-5n. If you want off camera flash and TTL, you are going to need cords and connectors from Pentax.
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips, not to mention chips
Hi, Ryan Lee wrote: Mike, Matjaz, Michel, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just thought of something- because the mz5n hasn't got wireless TTL with the af360fgz, am I right to say that to fix up all the connections to have a remote flash (wired) I'd probably need the Pentax labelled bits anyway if I wanted to use remote TTL? Consider yourself corrected, you naughty boy 8-) But you are right. This is quite easy with the analogue flashes but seems to be more complicated with the digital ones. Basically, you need to perm any three clips and wires from the 5P set. mike
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Whoever's brave enough to answer Dave's query, could you also drop some info on how one would usually go about doing the settings for a remote slave flash (triggered by the popup, no TTL). If it's a af360fgz tailored answer, even better! Thx, Ryan - Original Message - From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also am very interested in this use of slave flash. I would have expected the TTL functions to operate normally on the camera for not only the onboard or external mounted flash but also for the slave flash. If you set the slave for less then you expect to need 1/16 etc, then the on camera flash would make up the difference wouldn't it? It would read the total provided light from both flashes via TTL and provide the necessary amount on the on camera flash to provide correct exposure. I'm not saying I know this to be true, but rather pose this as a question. Dave
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Hi Bruce, Just using a random example, if you're metering using the camera and it gives you say f5.6 at 1/100 with the popup of a subject say 2 metres away (if that is enough information), and you want to use a remote slave (non-TTL) say to the right of the subject from say 2 metres away as well, how would you normally go about manually setting the flash output taking into account the popup flash too? Thanks in advance! Ryan From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] No TTL that way. You must manually set flash output and probably meter manually. Also need to take into account the popup flash on the MZ-5n.
Re[4]: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Dave, You are basically correct if the popup flash is stronger than the slave and ambient isn't too strong. The problem is, that the reason to move the flash off camera is to make the main light not be direct. In your proposed approach, the popup becomes the main and the AF360FGZ becomes the fill. The desired lighting effect is probably not really what you are looking for. You either need something to control TTL on all flashes, including ratios or run all the lights manually and flash meter for correct exposure. --- Bruce Saturday, October 25, 2003, 11:02:32 AM, you wrote: DM I also am very interested in this use of slave flash. I would have expected DM the TTL functions to operate normally on the camera for not only the onboard DM or external mounted flash but also for the slave flash. If you set the DM slave for less then you expect to need 1/16 etc, then the on camera flash DM would make up the difference wouldn't it? It would read the total provided DM light from both flashes via TTL and provide the necessary amount on the on DM camera flash to provide correct exposure. DM I'm not saying I know this to be true, but rather pose this as a question. DM Dave No TTL that way. You must manually set flash output and probably meter manually. Also need to take into account the popup flash on the MZ-5n. If you want off camera flash and TTL, you are going to need cords and connectors from Pentax.
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Dave wrote: DM I also am very interested in this use of slave flash. I would have expected DM the TTL functions to operate normally on the camera for not only the onboard DM or external mounted flash but also for the slave flash. If you set the DM slave for less then you expect to need 1/16 etc, then the on camera flash DM would make up the difference wouldn't it? It would read the total provided DM light from both flashes via TTL and provide the necessary amount on the on DM camera flash to provide correct exposure. DM I'm not saying I know this to be true, but rather pose this as a question. It pretty much does so, provided the slave flash doesn't overexpose the main subject. When in a hurry, I set the 360FGZ in auto mode on one stop wider aperture than the one on camera to make sure it provides half of the necessary light at most. For careful setups I prefer the manually adjusted output based on aperture, distance, light loss on bouncing and how important the slave is in the combination. Even if it works quite well - still I see the need for a full wireless P-TTL. Servus, Alin
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Bruce wrote: BD You are basically correct if the popup flash is stronger than the BD slave and ambient isn't too strong. The problem is, that the reason BD to move the flash off camera is to make the main light not be direct. BD In your proposed approach, the popup becomes the main and the BD AF360FGZ becomes the fill. The desired lighting effect is probably BD not really what you are looking for. You either need something to BD control TTL on all flashes, including ratios or run all the lights BD manually and flash meter for correct exposure. That's a very good point. Still one can exercise some control by dialing negative compensation on the camera to attenuate the pop-up flash. I never use direct uncompensated flash except for the midday fill-in. The illumination provided by a punctual light source like the pop-up flash is especially harsh. Servus, Alin
Re: Re[4]: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
Bruce Could you please explain this further. I had actually planned on the slave providing most of the light and the popup or hotshoe mounted flash providing the minority of the light. I'm afraid I'm still a bit lost here. I have the PZ-1p and PZ-1 cameras at this point and have no wireless to play with as yet in my Pentax equipment. I also have acquired a professional stand type modeling flash with 3 variing outputs from a local photographer that retired, only $40, and of course would like to implement it. Unfortunately I do not possess any metering equipment other then on camera metering. I have the AF360FGZ and a couple of other off brand flashes for pentax. one of which supports TTL and AF. I had planned to use a minisoftbox on my hotshoe on camera flash with the slaves. Dave You are basically correct if the popup flash is stronger than the slave and ambient isn't too strong. The problem is, that the reason to move the flash off camera is to make the main light not be direct. In your proposed approach, the popup becomes the main and the AF360FGZ becomes the fill. The desired lighting effect is probably not really what you are looking for. You either need something to control TTL on all flashes, including ratios or run all the lights manually and flash meter for correct exposure.
Re: Wireless flash and off camera clips, grips, pips, tips, salsa dips
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