Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread Cotty
Hi Luiz, I understand, thanks for sharing.

I hope things work out for your niece.





On 25/1/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed:

Waiting is the worst part.

Cotty, now the anger is under control somewhat, I have to be fair.
People tried to help him. Some tried to make him stand before
understanding that it just was not a good idea, and we made quite a
racket - but there was no staff member capable of doing anything but
talk to other staff member. When I started taking those pics he had no
pulse and had stopped breathing for a while. Our racket clued the news
guy of the problem.

Most brasilian hospitals are plagued by their quality - trauma victims
come from distant places to the one good - and this is really good -
hospital of the big city. Of course there isn't enough hospital for
everyone. Worst, many would be better somewhere else - this place is
specialised in trauma and burns, but gets an avalanche of everything and
then trauma.

Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in
the inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She
and her friend were struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the
friend may lose a leg. Our niece may not survive and her recovery will
include lots of plastic surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually
without medics, almost always without supplies. City hall keeps a small
fleet of shinning station wagons transformed in ambulances, to cart
people to this particular hospital in Fortaleza. That setup has been a
pain of mine for a long time, but I'm just an old, grumpy fool, in risk
of attending yet another burial. The asshole of a cousin that came with
her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling the wrong persons - when we
knew of the accident and took charge there were more small town
politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots
of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of
course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the
good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread Carlos Royo
Luiz, I hope your niece gets well and recovers completely. Although I 
haven't lived in Brazil for many years, I see that (sadly) the health 
system is still in a sorry shape, especially in places far away from the 
big cities.


As usual in Brazil, you are out of luck if you aren't obscenely rich or 
at least well off.


Carlos

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Luiz Felipe
luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:
 Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

 Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees.
 Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs to be
 left alone. Then dies.

 Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is nearby,
 takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the desk.
 Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of respect for a
 human being lying in the front of the hospital. The person behind the desk
 is angry, now - about the words used to address him, the death is just
 another death. There were many, there will be more. The police arrives, then
 the little fellow is carried back to the hospital. News photographer takes
 the pic of the person behind the desk. They carry on their lives. No one
 looks at me. All I have in my hands is cell phone.

 I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person
 behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard working
 people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and women
 often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they arrive
 home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. They would not let the
 news photographer offend the creature behind the desk. Not out of respect
 for the creature, but because that creature is beyond help, same as the
 little fellow. There are ones we can still help.

 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

Those are powerful images, Luiz.

I hope your niece and her friend are able to recover from their ordeal.

cheers,
frank

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread Luiz Felipe

Thanks - a lot - for your wishes and understanding. Means a great deal.

We still have hope of their recovery. Will take time and they are going
to bear marks, but every fight leaves scars - and I can't tihnk of a
better fight than this, doing the best we can for our young. If only
they heard us a litte more...

Carlos, the wealthy have private hospital rooms - but that's just part
of the story. They also face indifferent people that drag feet to attend
midnight calls, stupid or evil persons discussing how little chance of
surviving they have, not caring if the patient is hearing or not, lazy
and reckless creatures incapable of checking an IV line until it's too
late, and so on. Those humaniform creatures often take offense when we
try to work around them - we do it anyway. Found them in other places
too - they're fond of occupations where they have the authority of using
the words no, you can't.

The nightmares of BR hospitals are wrong people in key areas and
overcrowding. I don't see this changing soon. A huge help comes in
dedicated staff members and volunteers willing to double and triple
efforts to get things done, or at least a little better. I really hope
this effort never stops - we try to get even more.

I really want to apologize for any inconvenient expression. English is a
language I enjoy studying, misuse with 'gusto', but is not my default...

LF
...next pic I'll show you will be about flowers... I hope.

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman

Luiz Felipe wrote:
Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in 
the inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She 
and her friend were struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the 
friend may lose a leg. Our niece may not survive and her recovery will 
include lots of plastic surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually 
without medics, almost always without supplies. City hall keeps a small 
fleet of shinning station wagons transformed in ambulances, to cart 
people to this particular hospital in Fortaleza. That setup has been a 
pain of mine for a long time, but I'm just an old, grumpy fool, in risk 
of attending yet another burial. The asshole of a cousin that came with 
her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling the wrong persons - when we 
knew of the accident and took charge there were more small town 
politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots 
of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of 
course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the 
good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to 
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.


LF


Luiz, please pass to your niece our wishes of speedy and complete 
recovery. Your story is nerve-wrecking.


I do admit that your story did put some of the things in my mind to more 
proper perspective.


*deep sigh*

Boris


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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-26 Thread Doug


On Jan 25, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Luiz Felipe wrote:
Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours  
away in the inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears  
helmets. She and her friend were struck by another motorcycle at  
high speed, and the friend may lose a leg. Our niece may not survive  
and her recovery will include lots of plastic surgery. Her city has  
an hospital, usually without medics, almost always without supplies.  
City hall keeps a small fleet of shinning station wagons transformed  
in ambulances, to cart people to this particular hospital in  
Fortaleza. That setup has been a pain of mine for a long time, but  
I'm just an old, grumpy fool, in risk of attending yet another  
burial. The asshole of a cousin that came with her to the hospital  
spent 7 hours calling the wrong persons - when we knew of the  
accident and took charge there were more small town politicians and  
preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots of medics in  
that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of course, if  
the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the good  
ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to  
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.


LF


Sending thoughts of strength and recovery, Luiz.

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the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Luiz Felipe

Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees. 
Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs to 
be left alone. Then dies.


Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is 
nearby, takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the 
desk. Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of 
respect for a human being lying in the front of the hospital. The person 
behind the desk is angry, now - about the words used to address him, the 
death is just another death. There were many, there will be more. The 
police arrives, then the little fellow is carried back to the hospital. 
News photographer takes the pic of the person behind the desk. They 
carry on their lives. No one looks at me. All I have in my hands is cell 
phone.


I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person 
behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard working 
people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and 
women often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they 
arrive home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. They would not 
let the news photographer offend the creature behind the desk. Not out 
of respect for the creature, but because that creature is beyond help, 
same as the little fellow. There are ones we can still help.


http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

LF

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Luiz,
It looks like a scene from one of our Television dramas called ER (for
Emergency Room).
They are filled with life and death situations and frantic nurses and doctors.
The situations portrayed are impossible, yet very real.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Luiz Felipe
luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:
 Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

 Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees.
 Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs to be
 left alone. Then dies.

 Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is nearby,
 takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the desk.
 Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of respect for a
 human being lying in the front of the hospital. The person behind the desk
 is angry, now - about the words used to address him, the death is just
 another death. There were many, there will be more. The police arrives, then
 the little fellow is carried back to the hospital. News photographer takes
 the pic of the person behind the desk. They carry on their lives. No one
 looks at me. All I have in my hands is cell phone.

 I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person
 behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard working
 people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and women
 often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they arrive
 home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. They would not let the
 news photographer offend the creature behind the desk. Not out of respect
 for the creature, but because that creature is beyond help, same as the
 little fellow. There are ones we can still help.

 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

 LF

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/1/09, Luiz Felipe, discombobulated, unleashed:

Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees.
Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs to
be left alone. Then dies.

Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is
nearby, takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the
desk. Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of
respect for a human being lying in the front of the hospital. The person
behind the desk is angry, now - about the words used to address him, the
death is just another death. There were many, there will be more. The
police arrives, then the little fellow is carried back to the hospital.
News photographer takes the pic of the person behind the desk. They
carry on their lives. No one looks at me. All I have in my hands is cell
phone.

I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person
behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard working
people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and
women often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they
arrive home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. They would not
let the news photographer offend the creature behind the desk. Not out
of respect for the creature, but because that creature is beyond help,
same as the little fellow. There are ones we can still help.

http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

Interesting. Nobody tries to help - that would not happen here. I most places.

This picture is very strong:

http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg



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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Luiz Felipe
Know the series, Bob - like to watch now and then, myself. Only wish the 
folks at the hospital would just go home at the end of the day's 
shooting. Have a niece in coma at the same hospital due to motorcycle 
accident, that may join little fellow any moment. Small irony, all our 
friends there were unavailable at first moment - or I'd never taken 
those pics. I was more useful making phone calls outside, and just 
stepped into that scene.


Waiting is the worst part.

Cotty, now the anger is under control somewhat, I have to be fair. 
People tried to help him. Some tried to make him stand before 
understanding that it just was not a good idea, and we made quite a 
racket - but there was no staff member capable of doing anything but 
talk to other staff member. When I started taking those pics he had no 
pulse and had stopped breathing for a while. Our racket clued the news 
guy of the problem.


Most brasilian hospitals are plagued by their quality - trauma victims 
come from distant places to the one good - and this is really good - 
hospital of the big city. Of course there isn't enough hospital for 
everyone. Worst, many would be better somewhere else - this place is 
specialised in trauma and burns, but gets an avalanche of everything and 
then trauma.


Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in 
the inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She 
and her friend were struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the 
friend may lose a leg. Our niece may not survive and her recovery will 
include lots of plastic surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually 
without medics, almost always without supplies. City hall keeps a small 
fleet of shinning station wagons transformed in ambulances, to cart 
people to this particular hospital in Fortaleza. That setup has been a 
pain of mine for a long time, but I'm just an old, grumpy fool, in risk 
of attending yet another burial. The asshole of a cousin that came with 
her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling the wrong persons - when we 
knew of the accident and took charge there were more small town 
politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots 
of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of 
course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the 
good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to 
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.


LF


Luiz Felipe escreveu:

Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees. 
Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs 
to be left alone. Then dies.


Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is 
nearby, takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the 
desk. Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of 
respect for a human being lying in the front of the hospital. The 
person behind the desk is angry, now - about the words used to address 
him, the death is just another death. There were many, there will be 
more. The police arrives, then the little fellow is carried back to 
the hospital. News photographer takes the pic of the person behind the 
desk. They carry on their lives. No one looks at me. All I have in my 
hands is cell phone.


I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the 
person behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard 
working people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those 
men and women often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the 
moment they arrive home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. 
They would not let the news photographer offend the creature behind 
the desk. Not out of respect for the creature, but because that 
creature is beyond help, same as the little fellow. There are ones we 
can still help.


http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

LF



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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Luiz,
Sorry to hear about your neice.
Living thru youth is sometimes difficult.
I hope she comes out of the coma soon.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote:
 Know the series, Bob - like to watch now and then, myself. Only wish the
 folks at the hospital would just go home at the end of the day's shooting.
 Have a niece in coma at the same hospital due to motorcycle accident, that
 may join little fellow any moment. Small irony, all our friends there were
 unavailable at first moment - or I'd never taken those pics. I was more
 useful making phone calls outside, and just stepped into that scene.

 Waiting is the worst part.

 Cotty, now the anger is under control somewhat, I have to be fair. People
 tried to help him. Some tried to make him stand before understanding that it
 just was not a good idea, and we made quite a racket - but there was no
 staff member capable of doing anything but talk to other staff member. When
 I started taking those pics he had no pulse and had stopped breathing for a
 while. Our racket clued the news guy of the problem.

 Most brasilian hospitals are plagued by their quality - trauma victims come
 from distant places to the one good - and this is really good - hospital of
 the big city. Of course there isn't enough hospital for everyone. Worst,
 many would be better somewhere else - this place is specialised in trauma
 and burns, but gets an avalanche of everything and then trauma.

 Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in the
 inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She and her
 friend were struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the friend may
 lose a leg. Our niece may not survive and her recovery will include lots of
 plastic surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually without medics, almost
 always without supplies. City hall keeps a small fleet of shinning station
 wagons transformed in ambulances, to cart people to this particular hospital
 in Fortaleza. That setup has been a pain of mine for a long time, but I'm
 just an old, grumpy fool, in risk of attending yet another burial. The
 asshole of a cousin that came with her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling
 the wrong persons - when we knew of the accident and took charge there were
 more small town politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes,
 there are lots of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not
 enough. Of course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better.
 Until the good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks
 default to doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.

 LF


 Luiz Felipe escreveu:

 Best trauma hospital of this area - in fact, best of the northeast.

 Little fellow walks out the secondary access, slow. Gets on his knees.
 Crawls forward some inches. Some try to get him on his feet, he begs to be
 left alone. Then dies.

 Suppose this is making the news tomorrow - a news photographer is nearby,
 takes some pics, then gets in a row with the person behind the desk.
 Photographer is angry at the scene, yells about the lack of respect for a
 human being lying in the front of the hospital. The person behind the desk
 is angry, now - about the words used to address him, the death is just
 another death. There were many, there will be more. The police arrives, then
 the little fellow is carried back to the hospital. News photographer takes
 the pic of the person behind the desk. They carry on their lives. No one
 looks at me. All I have in my hands is cell phone.

 I know men and woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person
 behind the desk today. The men and women I know there are hard working
 people, in an impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and women
 often work so hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they arrive
 home, until the next fight. They were not nearby. They would not let the
 news photographer offend the creature behind the desk. Not out of respect
 for the creature, but because that creature is beyond help, same as the
 little fellow. There are ones we can still help.

 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
 http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

 LF


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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/25/2009 9:55:23 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br writes:
I know men and  woman that work in that hospital. Didn't know the person 
behind the desk  today. The men and women I know there are hard working 
people, in an  impossible challenge to help the needed. Those men and 
women often work so  hard in that hospital they collapse the moment they 
arrive home, until the  next fight. They were not nearby. They would not 
let the news photographer  offend the creature behind the desk. Not out 
of respect for the creature,  but because that creature is beyond help, 
same as the little fellow. There  are ones we can still  help.

http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102548-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102606-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102638-00.jpg
http://www.techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/012509102708-00.jpg

LF
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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/25/2009 4:35:14 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br writes:
Our niece was  riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in 
the inner part of  the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She 
and her friend were  struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the 
friend may lose a leg.  Our niece may not survive and her recovery will 
include lots of plastic  surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually 
without medics, almost always  without supplies. City hall keeps a small 
fleet of shinning station wagons  transformed in ambulances, to cart 
people to this particular hospital in  Fortaleza. That setup has been a 
pain of mine for a long time, but I'm just  an old, grumpy fool, in risk 
of attending yet another burial. The asshole of  a cousin that came with 
her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling the wrong  persons - when we 
knew of the accident and took charge there were more small  town 
politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots  
of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of  
course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the  
good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to  
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their  jobs.

LF

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Good luck to your  niece.

Sigh.

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Re: the worst pics, so far

2009-01-25 Thread Christine Aguila

From: Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br


Our niece was riding a motorcycle in her home town, some 6 hours away in 
the inner part of the state. In that hellhole no one wears helmets. She 
and her friend were struck by another motorcycle at high speed, and the 
friend may lose a leg. Our niece may not survive and her recovery will 
include lots of plastic surgery. Her city has an hospital, usually 
without medics, almost always without supplies. City hall keeps a small 
fleet of shinning station wagons transformed in ambulances, to cart 
people to this particular hospital in Fortaleza. That setup has been a 
pain of mine for a long time, but I'm just an old, grumpy fool, in risk 
of attending yet another burial. The asshole of a cousin that came with 
her to the hospital spent 7 hours calling the wrong persons - when we 
knew of the accident and took charge there were more small town 
politicians and preachers than medics at her side. Yes, there are lots 
of medics in that hospital, but today they just were not enough. Of 
course, if the right ears get enough noise, things get better. Until the 
good ones overwork themselves, and the creatures behind desks default to 
doing just their jobs and nothing more than their jobs.



I'm very sorry about your niece, Luiz.  I wish her all the best.  Christine


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