Re: [PEIRCE-L] Constructor Theory of Information (CTI) as a physical theory of semiosis
Sorry I didn’t comment much. I appreciate your comments on Constructor Theory though. It’s something I definitely need to study up on when I finally have the time. - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic Visualization
Sung, List: Good question--and I hope that someone else can answer it! Honestly, I have browsed through various pages on that website several times, but have not yet been able to get a good handle on it. For one thing, the proposed order of determination for the ten trichotomies--actually eleven, since (S-Od-Id) has been added--is quite different from any that I have seen elsewhere. Oi = Ii = S = Od = Id = If = (S-Od) = (S-Id) = (S-If) = (S-Od-Id) = (S-Od-If) By contrast, Peirce himself explicitly wrote that Od = Oi = S and (S-If) = (S-Id). Has Dr. Romanini explained anywhere why he disagrees with these two specific arrangements? If so, I have not found it yet. Regards, Jon On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu wrote: Jon, How is your model of semiotic trichotomies related to Vinicius' solenoid model of semiosis (http://www.minutesemeiotic.org/?p=30) ? All the best. Sung -- Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 732-445-4701 www.conformon.net - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic Visualization
The thing is, as I said earlier, the Sign (that triad) is not a closed entity-in-itself. It operates in a complex network. So, for example, the Dynamic Interpretant, in a mode of Firstness or Secondness or even Thirdness...could connect with, and its informational content in whole or part, could become part of a particular Dynamic Object. Or be generalized within the laws of a Representamen. And then, that new Dynamic Object, and new Representamen, could function again, in another semiosic interaction, and move on this time to the Final Interpretant...which could, yet again, become part of that original Dynamic Object...and be generalized within the Representamen. And so on. It's a dynamic, complex, evolving process - and there's no Final State. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Alan Schmidt To: Gary Richmond ; tabor...@primus.ca Cc: Peirce-L Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic Visualization Gary, Edwina, List: Thanks for the kind words. I am still pondering whether this way of visualizing everything might offer any helpful insights about the nature of the various trichotomies and their logical order of determination, especially when it comes to the interpretants. Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8831] Re: Anticipation and Semiotics: One Cannot
Hi Ed, Thanks for your interesting suggestion that the geometric principle of tetraktys may underlie all organizations, including the organization in Mona Lisa. Since I have been led to conclude in 1991 [1] that all organizations in the Universe are driven by *energy dissipation *under the *control of information *and hence obey the so-called the *Gnergy Principle of Organization (GPO)* symbolized by a tetrahedron whose 4 apexes being occupied by *Energy, Matter, Information* and *Life* [1, 2], there may be some theoretical connection between the geometric principle of *tetraktys *and the *gnergy tetrahedron*. For one thing, the tetraktys contains all the numbers that the gnergy tetrahedron does: 1 = Gnergy, 2 = Information and Energy, 3 = Complementarity as a triadic principle, and 4 = the tetrahedron as the simplex of the 3-dimensional space. I wonder if tetraktys is a MATHEMATICAL principle, whereas the gnergy tetrahedron is a PHYSICAL principle. All the best. Sung References: [1] Ji, S. (1991). Molecular Theories of Cell Life and Death. Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick. Pp. 152-163, 230-237. [2] Ji, S. (2012). Molecular Theory of the Living Cell: Concepts, Molecular Mechanisms, and Biomedical Applications. Sprigner, New York. Pp. 17, 28. On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Ed Dellian ed.dell...@t-online.de wrote: Sung, what makes Mona Lisa beautiful is indeed ORGANIZATION on the canvas (not only of matter, by the way: just think of light and colours). But organization *according to which principles*? The answer is: according to GEOMETRIC principles! Be sure that whenever you are struck by BEAUTY there is the medial section at work. It stimulates the EXPERIENCE OF HARMONY in the human soul. What is the medial section? It is a quaternary geometric proportion A : B = C : D, the tetraktys of the ancients, well-known to Renaissance artists as well as Renaissance scientists (Galileo, for instance, and Newton), being the basic true and rational organization principle of beauty, harmony, reality and truth. It is present in the double helix (so it is not restricted to the realm of lifelessness!). It is present in the theory of motion, where it works according to the quaternary proportion cause to effect equals element of space to element of time. A symbolic representation of this proportion is the formula E/p = c (Galileo, Newton, Maxwell, Poynting, Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg), which is only apparently a triadic formula, but actually a quaternate proportion, because c is element of space over element of time (just look at the dimensions of c). Note, by the way, that the basic mathematical rule of three is also a *geometric* *quaternary **proportion*, because the three are the known quantities; the fourth quantity is the unknown. A:B = C:X represents the rule of three with one quantity X unknown. The tetraktys is always present where rationality, reason, beauty, harmony, and truth is present. Best, Ed. Am 25.08.2015 um 01:30 schrieb Sungchul Ji: Hi Gary S, Gary R, lists, A thought just occurred to me that there may be a connection between the beauty of Mona Lisa (holism) and the various chemical pigments (reductionism) that constitute it -- namely, the organization of matter at two distinct scales, one at the macroscopic scale and the other at the microscopic. That is, what makes Mona Lisa beautiful is the way macroscopic pigment particles are ORGANIZED on its canvas, while what makes the pigment particles look colorful in Mona Lisa is the way microscopic particles known as atoms are ORGANIZED inside each pigment molecule. If this analysis is right, the concept of ORGANIZATION may be of fundamental significance at all physical scales and the consequence (or function or meaning) of organization may depend on the physical scales involved. In the case of Mona Lisa, the pigment ORGANIZATION on the canvas results in beautiful visual sensations while the atomic ORGANIZATIONs in pigment molecules result in desirable colors of individual pigments. Hence, I am tempted to conclude that Organization is the FUNCTOR connecting the beautiful aesthetics of Mona Lisa on the macrolevel and the colorful chemistry underlying it on the microlevel. All the best. Sung On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Sungchul Ji s...@rci.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Gary S, Gary R, lists, I agree that certain aspects (e.g., qualia) of Peircean semiosis cannot be reduced to mechanical terms, because life is more COMPLEX than physics or chemistry. But I believe that no semiosis is possible without physics and chemistry either, since, although the beauty of Mona Lisa is beyond the chemical reductionism, no Mona Lisa can exist without colored dye molecules having the right atomic organizations. So the challenging question may be: When does beauty begin and chemistry end in Mona Lisa? One possible answer that comes to mind would be: Mona Lisa is the
Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic Visualization
Jon, How is your model of semiotic trichotomies related to Vinicius' solenoid model of semiosis (http://www.minutesemeiotic.org/?p=30) ? All the best. Sung On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, Edwina, List: Thanks for the kind words. I am still pondering whether this way of visualizing everything might offer any helpful insights about the nature of the various trichotomies and their logical order of determination, especially when it comes to the interpretants. Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm . -- Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 732-445-4701 www.conformon.net - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
