RE: [PEIRCE-L] Another perspective

[gnox]

For another perspective on the roles of mathematics and logic in
phaneroscopic analysis, see Francesco Bellucci's 2015 paper at
https://www.academia.edu/11664897/Peirce_on_Phaneroscopical_Analysis .

(It's a .doc file instead of the usual .pdf.)

 

Gary f.

 

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Cc: Phyllis Chiasson 
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another perspective

 

Gary R,

 

Do you know the story about the man who spoke prose all his life and didn't
realize what he was doing?

 

Well, you have been doing mathematics and teaching mathematics, and your
comment confirms Peirce's point:  Phaneroscopy depends on pure mathematics,
especially formal logic.   Anybody who uses the following six words is
speaking logic:  some, every, and, or, not, if.

 

Every time you use any of those six words, you're speaking a subset of
first-order logic.  If you use all six of them correctly, you have a basuc
understanding of first-order logic.  You don't need to study logic for
simple common sense.  .But that's the equivalent of saying tht you don't
need more than an eighth-grade education to do research,:

 

GR: I found that it doesn't take formal logic -- although a bit of
commonsensism seems requisite -- and soon the simple, ordinary, naive
observation of the phaneron (or whatever one cares to call it) reveals that
qualities, interactions, and thought-signs are all that there is. One
doesn't require the reduction thesis, or valency theory, or mathematical
logic, or graph theory to see the trichotomic structure of the world. 

 

Have you ever seen a diagram and understood its implications?   Have you
ever drawn a diagram to illustrate some point in your lectures?  If you did
either of these two activities, you were using and understanding a subset of
graph theory.  But  if you want to get beyond an eighth-grade education,
doing a bit of studying helps a lot.

 

Fundamental principle:  The reason why we are studying Peirce's writings
instead of Hegel's is that Peirce knew a lot more math and ogic than Hegel
did.  For the simple issues, Hegel's common sense was adequate -- and Peirce
gives him credit for those insights.  But when you get to the more complex
issues, Hegel's insights were insufficient.  Peirce and Husserl were the
first two philosophers who pushed phenomenology beyond Hegel.  Husserl had a
PhD in math.  Peirce didn't get a PhD, but he learned math at an advanced
level from his father.

 

John

 

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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another perspective

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Gary R,
  
 Do you know the story about the man who spoke prose all his life and 
didn't realize what he was doing?
  
 Well, you have been doing mathematics and teaching mathematics, and your 
comment confirms Peirce's point:  Phaneroscopy depends on pure mathematics, 
especially formal logic.   Anybody who uses the following six words is 
speaking logic:  some, every, and, or, not, if.
  
 Every time you use any of those six words, you're speaking a subset of 
first-order logic.  If you use all six of them correctly, you have a basuc 
understanding of first-order logic.  You don't need to study logic for 
simple common sense.  .But that's the equivalent of saying tht you don't 
need more than an eighth-grade education to do research,:

 GR: I found that it doesn't take formal logic -- although a bit of 
commonsensism seems requisite -- and soon the simple, ordinary, naive 
observation of the phaneron (or whatever one cares to call it) reveals that 
qualities, interactions, and thought-signs are all that there is. One 
doesn't require the reduction thesis, or valency theory, or mathematical 
logic, or graph theory to see the trichotomic structure of the world. 
  
 Have you ever seen a diagram and understood its implications?   Have you 
ever drawn a diagram to illustrate some point in your lectures?  If you did 
either of these two activities, you were using and understanding a subset 
of graph theory.  But  if you want to get beyond an eighth-grade education, 
doing a bit of studying helps a lot.
  
 Fundamental principle:  The reason why we are studying Peirce's writings 
instead of Hegel's is that Peirce knew a lot more math and ogic than Hegel 
did.  For the simple issues, Hegel's common sense was adequate -- and 
Peirce gives him credit for those insights.  But when you get to the more 
complex issues, Hegel's insights were insufficient.  Peirce and Husserl 
were the first two philosophers who pushed phenomenology beyond Hegel.  
Husserl had a PhD in math.  Peirce didn't get a PhD, but he learned math at 
an advanced level from his father.
  
 John
  
  


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[PEIRCE-L] LUW Sept 8: Decidability of Logical Theories and their Combination

[jean-yves beziau]

The next session of the Logica Universalis Webinar (LUW) will be Wednesday
September 8 at 4 pm CET.
https://www.springer.com/journal/11787/updates/18988758

Talk: "Decidability of Logical Theories and their Combination"
by João Rasga and Cristina Sernadas, IST, University of Lisbon, Portugal
related with their recent book with the same title, published in  Studies
in Universal Logic (SUL), Birkhäuser, Basel, Switzerland.
This book provides a comprehensive, self-contained introduction to
decidability of first-order theories, using detailed proofs and examples to
illustrate and clarify complex concepts. It incorporates computability
theory and reduction techniques to determine the decidability of theories.
It illustrates a variety of ways to deduce logical consequences from a
theory, including the use of Gentzen calculus for first-order logic
https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-3-030-56554-1

Chairman:
Razvan Diaconescu, member of the editorial board of SUL

Associate Organization:
Security and Quantum Information Group, presented by its Founder and
Coordinator, Paulo Mateus

Everybody is welcome, please register in advance.
JYB, president of LUA
http://www.logica-universalis.org/LUAD
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another perspective

[Gary Richmond]

Ben, List,

Thanks, Ben. Apparently Upton and Sampson's *Creative Analysis* is out of
print. Googling around I found one hard bound copy which I ordered from a
used book seller in New Delhi. Expected delivery is sometime in October.

Best,

Gary R

“Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final”
― Rainer Maria Rilke

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On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:57 AM Ben Udell  wrote:

> At Amazon a reader warns, rightly or wrongly, to be sure to get the
> earlier edition, see below. - Best, Ben
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> * From the United States   Washington lady   5.0 out of 5 stars BE CAREFUL
> WHICH EDITION YOU ARE GETTING   Reviewed in the United States on August 12,
> 2013   Verified Purchase CREATIVE ANALYSIS IS AN EXCELLENT WORKBOOK THAT
> LEADS PAINLESSLY TO MASTRY OF PEIRCE'S SEMEIOTIC (as VERBAL LOGICAL
> ANALYSIS). HOWEVER, AROUND 1979, the workbook underwent an unfortunate
> revision that resulted in a version that is both confusing and ineffective.
> HOW TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE? Although the covers are nearly identical, the
> unfortunate version has a gold color in the center; the original, a dark
> pinkish color.   3 people found this helpful*
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Analysis-Richard-Samson/product-reviews/0876902816/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews
>
> On 9/5/2021 9:49 PM, Phyllis Chiasson wrote:
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> My experience with Peirce's phenomenology began with teaching adolescents
> how to"do" the three categories in order to improve reasoning and writing
> skills. I used Upton & Sampson's workbook, Creative Analysis. The system is
> simple, the results were phenomenal. Because of this experience over 45
> years ago, I found the rest of Peirce's philosophy easy to understand as
> well. I think of his construct as a tool for thinking with very clear and
> simple applications. Even young children can learn to use the categories
> effectively.
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another perspective

[Ben Udell]

At Amazon a reader warns, rightly or wrongly, to be sure to get the 
earlier edition, see below. - Best, Ben


* From the United States
  Washington lady
  5.0 out of 5 stars BE CAREFUL WHICH EDITION YOU ARE GETTING
  Reviewed in the United States on August 12, 2013
  Verified Purchase
CREATIVE ANALYSIS IS AN EXCELLENT WORKBOOK THAT LEADS PAINLESSLY TO 
MASTRY OF PEIRCE'S SEMEIOTIC (as VERBAL LOGICAL ANALYSIS). HOWEVER, 
AROUND 1979, the workbook underwent an unfortunate revision that 
resulted in a version that is both confusing and ineffective. HOW TO 
TELL THE DIFFERENCE? Although the covers are nearly identical, the 
unfortunate version has a gold color in the center; the original, a dark 
pinkish color.

  3 people found this helpful*

https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Analysis-Richard-Samson/product-reviews/0876902816/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews 



On 9/5/2021 9:49 PM, Phyllis Chiasson wrote:


My experience with Peirce's phenomenology began with teaching adolescents
how to"do" the three categories in order to improve reasoning and writing
skills. I used Upton & Sampson's workbook, Creative Analysis. The system is
simple, the results were phenomenal. Because of this experience over 45
years ago, I found the rest of Peirce's philosophy easy to understand as
well. I think of his construct as a tool for thinking with very clear and
simple applications. Even young children can learn to use the categories
effectively.
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